Personal Hotspots and tracing activity of connected device

[Moby Dick]

So I have two phones.
Newer iPhone for business use.
Older iPhone for punting only.

My punting phone is out of contract, I got a throwaway sim and PAYG for text and phone calls.
I don’t pay for data, just use WiFi
I use WiFi for WhatsApp and IMessage because it doesn’t cost me anything and most WG also use them.
This can cause me problems when I am out and about, particularly when organising a punt or going to one. Without WiFi I don’t get the messages. Fairly easy these days to find free WiFi, supermarkets, pubs, foodplaces etc but when travelling I may stop to check messages, and sometimes I can only do this by setting up a personal hotspot on my business phone and connecting with my punting phone.

Does anyone know if my browsing history or content of messages would be traceable by anyone, or an IT guy checking my business phone?
How easy is this to trace?

[webpunter]

Pretty sure that if MI5 / MI6 wanted to know they would find out

Or a business using a very very high end intelligence company

Which costs a fortune & there has to be a reason for people wanting to find out

Think you can rest easy

PAYG calls / text packages are priced about the same as those with data included

If you make hardly any calls then packages minus data will be a little cheaper

Not material in the overall costs of punting

Eliminate the minimal risk & get a monthly PAYG bundle with data included.  Simples 

[sub_marine]

Does anyone know if my browsing history or content of messages would be traceable by anyone, or an IT guy checking my business phone?
How easy is this to trace?

Whatsapp is encrypted as it leaves your phone, so no trace there, so hackers would have to hack your punting phone to see the messages in an unencrypted state.

Best bet would be to use an encrypted VPN, like NordVPN, that way all your business phone can see is the VPN link but no idea of the traffic contents.  If you type anything make sure its on an HTTPS site as that will be hidden, although the fact you visted the site itself isnt hidden.  You could try using the TOR browser, slows down searches a bit but hides the content of the traffic and the destinations

[Al R]

I know for a fact my work phone has software on it that logs what I do on the phone. No idea if the IT bods could monitor hotspot activity but I wouldn’t risk it. I use my work phone for just that, work. I don’t even call or text family from it.

[Bigdonny100]

All Internet traffic via hot-spot could theoretically show up as history with your mobile provider,  which could theoretically be exposed or viewable by your employer, think of it like using your work phone to search for porn - a no go! Unlikely you will ever get picked up for it, unless your ISP identifies a breach in terms of service (e. g. Downloading or viewing illegal material, usually just torrents. I've had a letter sent to my house stating I'd downloaded a movie via torrents and that this was copyrighted - strike one (the letter stated the name of the movie).
On the plus side none of the traffic is recorded on your work device itself, so this remains clean.

There is one huge caveat here - if your business mobile is managed by your employer they can route all your mobile Internet traffic via their corporate Internet breakout and everything is monitored. Probably depends on whether your employer pushes managed apps via InTune etc. Small firms are unlikely to do this.

As others have said I would recommend using a vpn on your punting phone, bit of a pain but prevenrs your browsing history being visible by your employer.

[Bigwilts]

A mobile providing a hotspot cannot identify the websites used.

However, a WiFi router, or a device along the route (such as via a VPN server) could have security / hacking software that logs traffic or sniffs the content of packets.
Packet sniffing is dodgy territory

It’s unlikely that your use of the works phones hotspot will get the activity identified, but it’s never wise to use your work phone for other purposes

[Gordon Bennett]

To me, it's pretty stark..... NEVER USE A BUSINESS PHONE FOR ANYTHING REMOTELY PUNTING RELATED.

I've mentioned Vodafone 1 PAYG SIM quite a lot cos I love it. It works like a normal standard throwaway PAYG SIM but....... once your daily spend hits £1 you get unlimited calls, unlimited texts and 500mb of data for rest of the day. That's loads of data in terms of what you'd conceivably need/use in terms of setting up a punt.

So, given a choice of spending a quid to use a punting phone or fiddling about with the phone that an employer provides, maintains and monitors it's a no brainer really.

[Moby Dick]

A mobile providing a hotspot cannot identify the websites used.

However, a WiFi router, or a device along the route (such as via a VPN server) could have security / hacking software that logs traffic or sniffs the content of packets.
Packet sniffing is dodgy territory

It’s unlikely that your use of the works phones hotspot will get the activity identified, but it’s never wise to use your work phone for other purposes

[Moby Dick]

To me, it's pretty stark..... NEVER USE A BUSINESS PHONE FOR ANYTHING REMOTELY PUNTING RELATED.

I've mentioned Vodafone 1 PAYG SIM quite a lot cos I love it. It works like a normal standard throwaway PAYG SIM but....... once your daily spend hits £1 you get unlimited calls, unlimited texts and 500mb of data for rest of the day. That's loads of data in terms of what you'd conceivably need/use in terms of setting up a punt.

So, given a choice of spending a quid to use a punting phone or fiddling about with the phone that an employer provides, maintains and monitors it's a no brainer really.

Yes thank you but that was not my question.
FYI
I’ve have tried Vodafone 1 PAYG SIM.
For someone who punts once a month it is fine but it doesn’t kick in until you have spent £1, which when you are using WhatsApp and IMessage doesn’t happen, unless I phone or text instead, but then you end up with 2 or 3 lines of communication.
I normally go for for £10big bundles which carry the minutes, text and data over, but recently I did not renew and thought I would check my messages via the hotspot. Something I won’t do again, but I am interested to know what sort of footprint this would leave on my biz phone or with the bill payer.
Hence the post.

[Moby Dick]

Whatsapp is encrypted as it leaves your phone, so no trace there, so hackers would have to hack your punting phone to see the messages in an unencrypted state.

Best bet would be to use an encrypted VPN, like NordVPN, that way all your business phone can see is the VPN link but no idea of the traffic contents.  If you type anything make sure its on an HTTPS site as that will be hidden, although the fact you visted the site itself isnt hidden.  You could try using the TOR browser, slows down searches a bit but hides the content of the traffic and the destinations

 

[Moby Dick]

I know for a fact my work phone has software on it that logs what I do on the phone. No idea if the IT bods could monitor hotspot activity but I wouldn’t risk it. I use my work phone for just that, work. I don’t even call or text family from it.

I only use my work phone to set up a hotspot. Only started doing it and thought maybe not a good idea.
Other than some email Apps i am not aware of any IT installations on my biz phone.
It was delivered to my home address by vodafone, and I installed the Apps

[millbush]

To me, it's pretty stark..... NEVER USE A BUSINESS PHONE FOR ANYTHING REMOTELY PUNTING RELATED.

I've mentioned Vodafone 1 PAYG SIM quite a lot cos I love it. It works like a normal standard throwaway PAYG SIM but....... once your daily spend hits £1 you get unlimited calls, unlimited texts and 500mb of data for rest of the day. That's loads of data in terms of what you'd conceivably need/use in terms of setting up a punt.

So, given a choice of spending a quid to use a punting phone or fiddling about with the phone that an employer provides, maintains and monitors it's a no brainer really.

Exactly why quibble over pennies when you're presumably spending $$$$ on SPs.

[G.Raff]

As others have stated, it is very unlikely that they have the ability to check what you have done with your other phone via hotspot, but if in doubt use a VPN on the older iphone (try Windscribe, I believe they have a free package with plenty data for your purposes), you simply install the app, turn on, and all your internet on that phone will be channelled via VPN.

[B4bcock]

Am I missing something here?    I have never had a WG contact me using Whatsapp - always texts or calls.  Sometimes an initial email to establish contact and check authenticity.

[Moby Dick]

Am I missing something here?    I have never had a WG contact me using Whatsapp - always texts or calls.  Sometimes an initial email to establish contact and check authenticity.

Yes you probably are.
I only started using whatsapp this year.
WG asked me to contact her that way, and several have since.
Store the WG phone number in your phone.
If she has a WhatsApp account then you will see her contact details in the app, very often with a nice profile pic. Depending on their settings you can see if they have read your message, last online, typing etc so I tend to use it more than texts these days, not just because it is free.
Also contact my punting buddies for arranging our next JV.


Edit: not just WhatsApp but Imessage which also has similar advantages over standard texts.

[B4bcock]

 

[Moby Dick]

Exactly why quibble over pennies when you're presumably spending $$$$ on SPs.

Thanks but I already know I am a tight clunge

Just wanna know if there’s a way to check what hotspot data has been used for on the biz phone.
Seems there are mixed opinions but on the whole not so easy to trace.

[millbush]

Thanks but I already know I am a tight clunge

Just wanna know if there’s a way to check what hotspot data has been used for on the biz phone.
Seems there are mixed opinions but on the whole not so easy to trace.

It will be there perhaps if you ever have cause for a tribunal it might bite you on the arse.

[Moby Dick]

It will be there perhaps if you ever have cause for a tribunal it might bite you on the arse.

It will be where?
How do you find it?
Are you tech savvy with mobile phone shite?

[millbush]

It will be where?
How do you find it?
Are you tech savvy with mobile phone shite?

Not really but without E2EE(possible) on your hotspots I imagine it's there to see if someone looks close enough.

[webpunter]

Yep
They are highly unlikely to contact you on WA until you contact them on the same
Then this communication line can start
WA has its benefits

Am I missing something here?    I have never had a WG contact me using Whatsapp - always texts or calls.  Sometimes an initial email to establish contact and check authenticity.

[sub_marine]

It will be where?
How do you find it?
Are you tech savvy with mobile phone shite?

When you search for a website on your own phone that search request goes to a DNS to find out the address, this DNS request will go down the line through the hotspot and probably be logged somewhere deeper in the work phone which you would only be able to find if the phone is rooted (highly unlikey if you could root your work phone without them noticing).

My mate is a forensic IT expert, first thing they do with any device is take a mirror image of everything contained in the device, then they use linux programs designed to sift through it all.  Usually in his case it looking for data breaches of staff copying or sending sensitive data to non company, so looking for any emails to hotmail yahoo gmail etc, then any blue tooth connections made and what was transferred, then all the wifi networks its ever connected to, so pretty sure somewhere among the data tables will be something non encrypted that slipped through.

How old is the work phone, might be worth "losing it" near the time you have to hand it back for an upgrade, just in case

[Private Parts]

When you search for a website on your own phone that search request goes to a DNS to find out the address, this DNS request will go down the line through the hotspot and probably be logged somewhere deeper in the work phone which you would only be able to find if the phone is rooted (highly unlikey if you could root your work phone without them noticing).

My mate is a forensic IT expert, first thing they do with any device is take a mirror image of everything contained in the device, then they use linux programs designed to sift through it all.  Usually in his case it looking for data breaches of staff copying or sending sensitive data to non company, so looking for any emails to hotmail yahoo gmail etc, then any blue tooth connections made and what was transferred, then all the wifi networks its ever connected to, so pretty sure somewhere among the data tables will be something non encrypted that slipped through.

How old is the work phone, might be worth "losing it" near the time you have to hand it back for an upgrade, just in case

Very wise words!
Thank you.
PP

[webpunter]

Good intel s_m

If UKP'ers are in the situation where they need to hand the phone back then best to wipe / reset the phone

Should clear stuff on it

[mrfishyfoo]

Good intel s_m

If UKP'ers are in the situation where they need to hand the phone back then best to wipe / reset the phone

Should clear stuff on it

That's not enough as it's only a "quick wipe" like a "quick format" of a harddrive and can be undone.

It needs a total ROM wipe to completely erase it. A hammer also works well.

[webpunter]

Do you mean a rom with a wet-wipe ? Surely not 

That's not enough as it's only a "quick wipe" like a "quick format" of a harddrive and can be undone.

It needs a total ROM wipe to completely erase it. A hammer also works well.

[Malvolio]

It's a hell of a risk to use your work phone for punting purposes - why do it?

[webpunter]

I thought re-setting an iphone - everything erased [a couple of times for good measure] - clears this completely ??

[Moby Dick]

It's a hell of a risk to use your work phone for punting purposes - why do it?

But what is the traceability of setting up a hotspot?
Why - because I was organising a gangbang en route and had time pressures.

I don’t surf porn or any adult sites with my works phone.
I use my works phone for lots of other personal trivial stuff. Never been a problem.
Just wondered what/if anything was visible to the bill payer.

[Moby Dick]

I thought re-setting an iphone - everything erased [a couple of times for good measure] - clears this completely ??

Oops I’ve accidentally dropped it in my glass of wine and because I was so pissed I must’ve left it on top of my car and drove off.
It won’t come to that
If it is traceable. I just say I must have inadvertently left hotspot on and someone must’ve hacked the password, or blame it on a colleague - dodgy bastards

Without gaining possession and proving ownership of the punting phone what can they do.
I posted for a better understanding of how these things work.

[webpunter]

#metoo

I posted for a better understanding of how these things work.

I was thinking bout selling an old iPhone on eBay / the likes of mazuma etc & there still being stuff on there despite having full reset

People who give their laptops to charity or sell online after buying a 10 quid programme to erase their data can end up being right royally fucked
Students at the Nigerian University of Bank & Credit Card Fraud must piss themselves laughing when the laptops arrive

[Moby Dick]

When you search for a website on your own phone that search request goes to a DNS to find out the address, this DNS request will go down the line through the hotspot and probably be logged somewhere deeper in the work phone which you would only be able to find if the phone is rooted (highly unlikey if you could root your work phone without them noticing).

My mate is a forensic IT expert, first thing they do with any device is take a mirror image of everything contained in the device, then they use linux programs designed to sift through it all.  Usually in his case it looking for data breaches of staff copying or sending sensitive data to non company, so looking for any emails to hotmail yahoo gmail etc, then any blue tooth connections made and what was transferred, then all the wifi networks its ever connected to, so pretty sure somewhere among the data tables will be something non encrypted that slipped through.

How old is the work phone, might be worth "losing it" near the time you have to hand it back for an upgrade, just in case

Never handed an old works phone in.

[webpunter]

Neither has Stapler
The chances of him: 
A/ having a job
or
B/ having a job where a phone is provided
Are both extremely slim
 

Never handed an old works phone in.

[mrfishyfoo]

Do you mean a rom with a wet-wipe ? Surely not 

No !!! 

I meant the embedded firmware as that involves fully formatting the phones internal storage.

[webpunter]

 

No !!! 

I meant the embedded firmware as that involves fully formatting the phones internal storage.

[Yankee21]

When you search for a website on your own phone that search request goes to a DNS to find out the address, this DNS request will go down the line through the hotspot and probably be logged somewhere deeper in the work phone which you would only be able to find if the phone is rooted (highly unlikey if you could root your work phone without them noticing).

My mate is a forensic IT expert, first thing they do with any device is take a mirror image of everything contained in the device, then they use linux programs designed to sift through it all.  Usually in his case it looking for data breaches of staff copying or sending sensitive data to non company, so looking for any emails to hotmail yahoo gmail etc, then any blue tooth connections made and what was transferred, then all the wifi networks its ever connected to, so pretty sure somewhere among the data tables will be something non encrypted that slipped through.

How old is the work phone, might be worth "losing it" near the time you have to hand it back for an upgrade, just in case

This is spot on advice.

[mrfishyfoo]

Hook line and sinker. 

FFS !!! 

[Buttons]

Never cross the streams. Work phone for work stuff only, sticking to company use policy. Own phone for real life, never contacting whores. Punting phone, unregistered sim and disposable for whoring activities.

There are plenty of cheap PAYG sim options out there that include data. If you can afford to fuck even the cheapest whores, you can afford £10 every few months to fuel your Punting phone.

Don’t make life hard for yourself, remove any traces of stress that you can. That way you will enjoy it more when you are nuts deep in your latest AW lovely and not thinking “are my company tracking my locations or data use” or “will my significant other be looking at my phone tonight and wondering who Big_Tits_Swallow_Your_Cum1985 is” 

[RandomGuy99]

Never cross the streams. Work phone for work stuff only, sticking to company use policy. Own phone for real life, never contacting whores. Punting phone, unregistered sim and disposable for whoring activities.

There are plenty of cheap PAYG sim options out there that include data. If you can afford to fuck even the cheapest whores, you can afford £10 every few months to fuel your Punting phone.

Don’t make life hard for yourself, remove any traces of stress that you can. That way you will enjoy it more when you are nuts deep in your latest AW lovely and not thinking “are my company tracking my locations or data use” or “will my significant other be looking at my phone tonight and wondering who Big_Tits_Swallow_Your_Cum1985 is” 

+1

I have:

- personal phone
- work phone
- punting phone, which uses a PAYG SIM and is as retro as you can get. No satnav, no picture messaging. Just calls and texts. 

I never mix business with pleasure.

[scutty brown]

It depends on how the phone is set up.....for instance one company I work with route ALL mobile phone data traffic through their own VPN, everything gets checked. And that includes anything going via a phone set up as a hotspot

even if its not routed via a VPN, the ISP would have access to the records
or if someone phished / suckered you remotely its relatively easy to plant packet logging software on a phone, or even just keylogging s/w. Just being logged googling for "slipperycuntsRus" or similar would be enough to be in shit with wife or work

[kuck]

If you're using Whatsapp, the data is safe as it is encrypted over any network including a work hotspot.

I'd be wary of visiting adult sites even if they are https. Even over https, the hotspot would know you visited adultwork.com, they just woudn't know which pages. So when you visit External Link/Members Only over https, the hotspot would only know you visited the adultwork.com server.

I got myself a Lebara sim for £3.95 a month with 200 minutes and 500MB of data. Perfect for punting. Cheaper than the £1 a day Vodafone I was using earlier.

[RandomGuy99]

But what is the traceability of setting up a hotspot?
Why - because I was organising a gangbang en route and had time pressures.

I don’t surf porn or any adult sites with my works phone.
I use my works phone for lots of other personal trivial stuff. Never been a problem.
Just wondered what/if anything was visible to the bill payer.

If you setup a wifi hotspot on your work phone and then have your punting phone connect to the wifi hotspot then your requests will go through your work phone and they will retain a log of your website access as they are now required by law to do.  All ISPs maintain records of your search history and your browsing history.   All of this data is available to the police and the security services should they require it.  This recording of data is intended to improve national security. There are supposed to be controls in place to prevent unauthorised access to this data.

You could run a VPN on punting phone in which case your DNS requests will go the DNS servers of the VPN provider and your requests for individual web pages will be visible by the ISP of the VPN provider and they'll still be recorded.  They just won't be visible to the ISP of the work phone but they will see you making requests to a VPN.

It would be a whole lot of easier and safer to use data on an unregistered PAYG SIM and not use the wifi hot spot on your work phone.

I don't even plug my personal phone into my company laptop for charging as work could potentially scan it.

[magnetico]

I'd be wary of visiting adult sites even if they are https. Even over https, the hotspot would know you visited adultwork.com, they just woudn't know which pages. So when you visit External Link/Members Only over https, the hotspot would only know you visited the adultwork.com server.

To be specific the ISP will see 2 things :
The dns request aka you wanted to find them IP(s) of AW
The connectivity between your device and the IPs

If you use a vpn your isp will see none of that

[myothernameis]

Fairly easy these days to find free WiFi, supermarkets, pubs, foodplaces etc but when travelling I may stop to check messages,

Does anyone know if my browsing history or content of messages would be traceable by anyone, or an IT guy checking my business phone?
How easy is this to trace?

All depends on how secure you have made your phone, so one day I took my lap top, and looked at who was connected to the wifi service.

On checking the connections to the wifi, I found a number of connections where I could view their folders, but only a few, but if only a few, then that's to many

If your wanting to check sites like AW, or UKP or even xxnx, some supermarkets will block these sites, the ones I have found with my restrictions are first bus, or scotrail

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Can't see any sense in a work phone used for dubious undercover operations like punting.

That said i do use me personal phone for contacting one WG i see as a reg quite a bit but theres no signifiant other here now to ask awkward questions nor for that matter any company phones as such.:!

The .. "punting" phone if anyone wants it is in a drain near Nickybeauty's gaff in Cambridge, but i suspect now its beyong repair but the SIM card was untraceable.

Must get another but wheras the olde Nookia would be fine is very usefull to have a bit of mapping thereon if the WG in question is reluctant to give you the address untill the last moment or just gives the postcode! Suppose could get one off e-bay at the right money and if the SIM is tracable then who would want to trace it?, some upset Sergi?, or maybe the Old Bill if there was a problem with the girl in a way that would involve them?.

Either way there needs to be a payment to the mobile telco, anyone buy top-up's with cash?.

[RandomGuy99]

Can't see any sense in a work phone used for dubious undercover operations like punting.

That said i do use me personal phone for contacting one WG i see as a reg quite a bit but theres no signifiant other here now to ask awkward questions nor for that matter any company phones as such.:!

The .. "punting" phone if anyone wants it is in a drain near Nickybeauty's gaff in Cambridge, but i suspect now its beyong repair but the SIM card was untraceable.

Must get another but wheras the olde Nookia would be fine is very usefull to have a bit of mapping thereon if the WG in question is reluctant to give you the address untill the last moment or just gives the postcode! Suppose could get one off e-bay at the right money and if the SIM is tracable then who would want to trace it?, some upset Sergi?, or maybe the Old Bill if there was a problem with the girl in a way that would involve them?.

Either way there needs to be a payment to the mobile telco, anyone buy top-up's with cash?.

I buy all my top ups with cash. No problems.

[kuck]

To be specific the ISP will see 2 things :
The dns request aka you wanted to find them IP(s) of AW
The connectivity between your device and the IPs

If you use a vpn your isp will see none of that

True. The VPN would hide that information from the hotspot as well.