ParisB on Mumsnet helping wives catch their husbands

[Dani]

Perhaps if AW owners were more concerned about the users security, which of course they will never be, whilst they have a monopoly. People like ParisB would not be able to teach others how to find out confidential information.

In fact thinking about it, has she broken any of the terms and conditions of AW by doing this, if she has perhaps there would be a case for her account to be banned. I will pop over and delve into the depths of AW T&C.

I doubt it as all the T&Cs are there to protect them and only them.  They don't give a shit about prossies or punters just the cash they can earn from both

[broksonic]

I think feedback can be important as it does give you some idea that the WG is genuine.    I am too scared to see any WG with 0 feedback in case she turns out to be a fake

[vorian]

Well I have been through the AW terms and conditions in detail (That was fun). I believe that ParisB did break a number of them by her actions, thus I have reported her to AW, I don't have any faith in AW to act in the interest of punters in this case, but it is still worth a go. 

[broksonic]

Well I have been through the AW terms and conditions in detail (That was fun). I believe that ParisB did break a number of them by her actions, thus I have reported her to AW, I don't have any faith in AW to act in the interest of punters in this case, but it is still worth a go. 

They may listen if we all report her including the escorts that post here

[vorian]

They may listen if we all report her including the escorts that post here

Only took a couple of minutes. She has broken the T&C by

'Access or attempt to access the accounts of other Members or to penetrate or attempt to penetrate the Site security measures;'

That seems to be the most relevant one.

[mattylondon]

What she has done is unethical and wrong in my opinion. However as DJ Polo posts she as far as I know hasn't directly given out any details about her own clients. The thread has been removed and was there for quite a while until it was pointed out.

Who gives a fuck if she's directly outed any of her punters or not? She has proven motive and has helped others gather information. That is enough. Nobody would expect you, as a prossie, to grasp that. Forum buddy of yours is she?

What can be proven is that this two faced bitch has been categorically caught out helping and openly continuing to help other people to gather information, which may out punters. All this whilst she was a member of a forum run in the interests of the punter and taking money from punters.

What is this right of reply that some people feel she deserves? Fuck that. She was linked to that MN profile and then admitted it. She is very lucky not to have been banned by the link alone. I only regret she was banned too soon for me and others to get more out of her.

Incidentally, if you or others object to the continuation of this thread or question what more is to be gained, stop fucking reading it and don't post. It will continue as long as the moderators see fit.

[mattylondon]

So I tried to post a thread on %%% regarding ParisB with the following results:

I decided to invite some of the %%% forum members to the conversation I was having with the mods.

Well, I did tell you that you'd be banned! Probably wasn't wise to invite people without asking. Why you'd choose to invite a prossie and Pubulum, who's a self confessed fluffy is beyond me Daff? I thought it was a brave and commendable effort to try though, but at least you now know. first hand, what %%% is really about.

[Ali Katt]

Only took a couple of minutes. She has broken the T&C by

'Access or attempt to access the accounts of other Members or to penetrate or attempt to penetrate the Site security measures;'

That seems to be the most relevant one.

Unfortunately AW will probably call it hearsay. I couldn't get a prossie removed a few years back who was a convicted scammer, I linked to a newspaper article as evidence .

[vorian]

Unfortunately AW will probably call it hearsay. I couldn't get a prossie removed a few years back who was a convicted scammer, I linked to a newspaper article as evidence .

I believe you will be proven right but it feels the right thing to do and try, even if the chance of it being removed is tiny. 

[mattylondon]

Unfortunately AW will probably call it hearsay. I couldn't get a prossie removed a few years back who was a convicted scammer, I linked to a newspaper article as evidence .

You're quite right Ali. Nothing will come of it.

What's more, many will continue to fuck this woman. We all know that. The point is that the info is out there for those who find it and care. If a punter wants to book her still knowing some of this, it's his right to do so. She never appealed to me anyway but I did admire her work ethic.

[vorian]

Well unless, I'm mistaken and please someone else check it does appear ParisB has had her AW profile taken down.

For how long I don't know.

[herelonely]

Well unless, I'm mistaken and please someone else check it does appear ParisB has had her AW profile taken down.

For how long I don't know.

Yes, it's gone, well bugger me!
 

As you say, fof how long?
BUT, her panic mode may have been subsiding,  this won't help...

[vorian]

Yes, it's gone, well bugger me!
 

As you say, fof how long?
BUT, her panic mode may have been subsiding,  this won't help...

Damn it is back now, and I have just had an email from AW saying they cannot act on heresay maybe just an automated response to take ParisB profile down for half an hour.  Still worth a shot. I will spend some more time looking at AW T&C and see if I can find any loopholes.

[vorian]

Well, I did tell you that you'd be banned! Probably wasn't wise to invite people without asking. Why you'd choose to invite a prossie and Pubulum, who's a self confessed fluffy is beyond me Daff? I thought it was a brave and commendable effort to try though, but at least you now know. first hand, what %%% is really about.

I take it Daffodil will be banned for life now, I would love to see the reaction from the fluffies and the mods when he asked the questions, the panic would be most enlightening to see but I'm not sure if that's allowed. 

[hollysbeenabadgirl]

I've finally caught up with this thread (I've not been working)and I am seriously horrified. However, it is safe to say that I am in no way surprised. The world is full of utter cunts and it seems Dani has encountered many for having the bollocks to take a stand. Well done Dani for doing so and of course those who managed to uncover what has happened.

[SirPhilipXX]

Should be renamed Fluffynet.

As you all keep banging on about it, I just clicked on this %%% site - never bothered before now.

I see that one of the forums is called 'Hall of Shame - service providers to avoid'. 

Sounds useful I thought, just the sort of info a site called %%% should be providing.

By way of general information, someone called Galahad (admin?) had posted this worthy statement of intent:

There has long been a need for a place to warn punters about dishonest ladies, agencies, websites, etc. I have been thinking this over for a long time, and have never previously implemented it as it would be too easy to abuse by submitting reports about rival service providers. Therefore, entries will only be created here if there is incontrovertible, concrete evidence which has been personally verified by the Admin or a trusted member of his staff.

Underneath, there are just 5 posts, all by Galahad. Not a single one posted since 1st Jan. 2012.

And of course, no mention whatsoever of ParisB. 

What an utter disgrace. What a useless, pointless, worthless site.

We really do need a Hall of Shame on UKP imho

[Sailormack]

**************** STOP PRESS ***************

Do not trust a pro$$ie with anything that you are not prepared to lose (i.e. info on your wife /life / marriage / kids / job / personal details etc etc).

EVER!

And while I'm at it could anyone explain what value women give to UKP anyway 

It seems my long time advocacy to UKP being a fem free zone has gathered some support 

[Roth]

Tried ParisB a couple of times.   A good punt but shame she has spoiled it all now.  I for one won't be going back to her when I return to the Southwest or if she is touring up my way.  Plenty of other prossies to chose from.

[broksonic]

I know people on here have said don't trust a prossie with personal details.  But what about when they ask you for the name you have booked hotel under.
You would have to give the hotel your real name

[James999]

I know people on here have said don't trust a prossie with personal details.  But what about when they ask you for the name you have booked hotel under.
You would have to give the hotel your real name

Just tell them any name and give them your mobile number, if they query it say there is no phone in your room, remember pro$$ies lie so punters are also allowed to lie 

[AnthG]

I too was one of those copied in by you, Daffodil, and you have achieved one thing. I shall never trust you to hold an IM conversation in confidence.

Anything a moderator says on a decision they make in an IM, they shouldn't be embarrassed to have it be known to others too IMHO. If they are then they know they are in the wrong.

Within five minutes DanishPia was on and panicking, saying 'I'm only on my phone so it's limited what I can do' or words to that effect.

Quick as a flash %%% members started being excluded from the conversation and then I was banned.

And this just shows DanishPia knew she was in the wrong.

I would say Danish Pia was the worst one you could have went to for a rational discussion on this. She was always so pig headed and condescending with the way she presented it too with my discussions with her via PM (usually about arguments with Chloekisses who she would side with no matter what).

[SirFrank]

As you all keep banging on about it, I just clicked on this %%% site - never bothered before now.

I see that one of the forums is called 'Hall of Shame - service providers to avoid'. 

Sounds useful I thought, just the sort of info a site called %%% should be providing.

By way of general information, someone called Galahad (admin?) had posted this worthy statement of intent:

There has long been a need for a place to warn punters about dishonest ladies, agencies, websites, etc. I have been thinking this over for a long time, and have never previously implemented it as it would be too easy to abuse by submitting reports about rival service providers. Therefore, entries will only be created here if there is incontrovertible, concrete evidence which has been personally verified by the Admin or a trusted member of his staff.

Underneath, there are just 5 posts, all by Galahad. Not a single one posted since 1st Jan. 2012.

And of course, no mention whatsoever of ParisB. 

What an utter disgrace. What a useless, pointless, worthless site.

We really do need a Hall of Shame on UKP imho

This simply highlights the sheer pointlessness of PN. The site should be about the punter. I appreciate the difficulties associated with a hall of shame but if you have a punting site where you can't inform other punters of potential problems with WGs then the site itself becomes pointless. Nobody wants to see reputations ruined unnecessarily but PN isn't a court of law. If you had to have prove anything beyond reasonable doubt before you posted anything online most of us wouldn't even bother. PN is dead   

[mattylondon]

I know people on here have said don't trust a prossie with personal details.  But what about when they ask you for the name you have booked hotel under.
You would have to give the hotel your real name

No, you don't have to do that. I think you can book in under another name anyway. You can also use an anonymous credit/debit card to book and pay for the room. Adam posted about this on %%% some time ago, as did I. Although his was taken down as a result of some prossies objecting! 

Adam it may be worth posting this up again either here or off topic, as it would be valuable to punters? It will also stop prossie a getting hold of a punter's real name.   

[a10]

... You can also use an anonymous credit/debit card to book and pay for the room...

I've never heard of these anonymous cards, what are they?

[KentAde]

I've never heard of these anonymous cards, what are they?

External Link/Members Only

Buy £25 and £50 VISA cards in mosts Argos, Boots, Morrisons, etc. Have to pay a small fee though, but that's about it...

[hollysbeenabadgirl]

I use IDT prime cards, available to buy and top up in most 'corner shops' in busy areas.

[Hogan]

From the delightful Chloe Kisses

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And more

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[Louise 100% British]

From the delightful Chloe Kisses

And more

where did you get that from?

[Festisio]

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Nik admits he is retired so for her to say they're going to out him to his work just proves that they know fuck all and it's just scaremongering.

[OldAdmin]

From the delightful Chloe Kisses

And more

NIK's real name is not Adam and he doesn't live in Sheffield.
And I don't live in UK anymore.

So whoever wrote that is clueless. And if it is ChloePisses, then she's been claiming elsewhere I posted things which I never have and twisting my words. Pure desperation.

[Hellraiser]

where did you get that from?

I am wondering too.

I have read Chloe Kisses posts and she doesn't write like that. Nor is she such a bitch of such a magnitude. Reads more like a troll impersonaiting her to me.

[Dani]

I am wondering too.

I have read Chloe Kisses posts and she doesn't write like that. Nor is she such a bitch of such a magnitude. Reads more like a troll impersonaiting her to me.

Me too and that does not sound anything like her style of writing at all.  some may think she is not a very nice person but she is not such a bitch she would laugh at people being outed nor would she be silly enough to say Paris B and HOD are going to out Nik or Adam

[OldAdmin]

I edited out the quotes, the shitstirring twat who initially wrote them would love the fact it's been re-posted here. I'd rather not give them any publicity.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

And while I'm at it could anyone explain what value women give to UKP anyway 

It seems my long time advocacy to UKP being a fem free zone has gathered some support 

I think it's useful to have a bit of balance from the other side of the fence, you can always ignore it if you want to.  UKP ends up being a blinkered boys' club otherwise. 

[OldAdmin]

We really do need a Hall of Shame on UKP imho

On the to-do list.
But not in the form of a sticky, I hate stickys only do them temporarily.

[smiths]

After listening to the jungle drums what i have picked up is some WGs are appalled at the behaviour of Paris but arent prepared to put their heads above the paraphet and say so.

Some others view what they have read or heard as hearsay, not 100% proven guilt.

In the real world the fact is that Paris is still likely to get some punters be them regulars who have always had a good service off her or newbies to her that know nothing of this site and whats happened. We on here can only do what we can do and spread the word as punters have been doing, and well done to them all, you guys have done a great job. Daff, stirling work by you on this.

I see Adam will be having a Hall Of Shame on here and i hope this will put off punters punting with the low lifes that no doubt will go in it.

I read some punters asking why A/W dont do more. A/W has NO interest in helping punters, just in making money, unlike this forum so my advice is never expect A/W to do anything. Its run by scumbags and in my opinion those scumbags are also posting PG scams up to make 100% of the credits accrued rather than the 33% off others profiles. With absolutely no regulation A/W are free to do as they please and i strongly advise punters to not trust them or think of them in the same way they do a regulated company where complaining might have an effect. A/W do as they please and have been doing that for years in my observations. I still use it as a location tool only as its the best there is so take a pragmatic view on that.

As Paris has blown her cover on here and wouldnt be welcomed back i think punters will be waiting a long time for an apology, her game i would of thought is to ignore this matter and hope she can still get punters who arent aware of it as well as keep her regulars. Lets hope the word does spread far and wide and it does cost her some punters though.

[Sailormack]

I think it's useful to have a bit of balance from the other side of the fence, you can always ignore it if you want to.  UKP ends up being a blinkered boys' club otherwise.

You could then argue the case for nazis and paedophiles having free speech 

Bottom line is that women in general are both attention seekers and trouble makers, pro$$ies in particular.

I for one think that UKP would be a far better place without them and don't start me on the fluffy white knight mangina arselickers 

But of course it is not my site and as such I abide by the rules and guidance of Admin.

Feel free to disagree 

[Daffodil]

Well, I did tell you that you'd be banned! Probably wasn't wise to invite people without asking. Why you'd choose to invite a prossie and Pubulum, who's a self confessed fluffy is beyond me Daff? I thought it was a brave and commendable effort to try though, but at least you now know. first hand, what %%% is really about.

I had no doubt I'd get hit with the ban hammer. Truth is, I was as good as banned anyway with premod, I think I'd tried to make three posts over the last six months and none were allowed (https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=23419.msg345375#msg345375).

I don't know who pabulum is. I just invited members with high-post counts and those online at the time. I didn't really have an interest in who saw, just that it was seen by a good number of the members.

In hindsight I should have invited people when it was busy...but I don't have a time machine to go back ten years 

[DJ Fruit Polo]

You could then argue the case for nazis and paedophiles having free speech 

Bottom line is that women in general are both attention seekers and trouble makers, pro$$ies in particular.

I for one think that UKP would be a far better place without them and don't start me on the fluffy white knight mangina arselickers 

But of course it is not my site and as such I abide by the rules and guidance of Admin.

Feel free to disagree 

Okay then.

Giving Nazis and paedophiles the opportunity to express their views gives everyone the opportunity to see through their arguments.  Not giving them that opportunity means they can protest that they're an oppressed minority who are being poorly treated and aren't properly represented.  And that can make them attractive, see the rise of right-wing groups in modern Germany for instance.

Why not continue to allow escorts to post here?  If they're talking nonsense then there won't be any shortage of people calling them on that, but I for one am interested in their take on things.

[JayGatsby]

PArisB appears to be commenting using twitter

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[Daffodil]

PArisB appears to be commenting using twitter

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Looks like she's cracking up to me 

[Hellraiser]

Looks like she's cracking up to me 

Looks like she is threatening you, Vorian and Adam to me. Threatening to out your real names somehow.

I reckon she has probably contacted some of the girls you have seen through the reviews you have written on UKP to find out more info about you.

Edit: And the MLondon comment on her Twitter. Seems to be referring to mattylondon and she is saying he is mixed race? Must surely have contacted some of the girls from reviews you guys have written. How else would she know?

[OldAdmin]

She is being helped by Danish Pia and the sisterskanks. I know this for a fact.

She's obviously lost the plot today by threatening to out us.

[Hellraiser]

She is being helped by Danish Pia and the sisterskanks. I know this for a fact.

She's obviously lost the plot today by threatening to out us.

She seems to have it in for someone called Miss G in particular. Whose that? Dani?

I think she is finally having an elaborate mental breakdown. It's thrilling to watch in real time.

[OldAdmin]

She may now claim this is her druggie sister using her Twitter account

[Dani]

I know some of it is about me as I said at the very start I believed that she wouldn't do that and I emailed her to say as much and to say we should be able to post what we want elsewhere without people searching out who we are (had it done to me when I was outed) and that I supported her and perhaps she should take her profile down until it blew over because at the time I respected her as she seemed such a caring and helpful woman and I just could not believe she had done it or perhaps I did not want to believe she had as it would then show that I am a poor judge of character

This was before I saw all the evidence that she was indeed helping wives out their partners via AW when I abruptly changed my mind as the proof was overwhelming.  I did already say I felt like a total twat for believing in her and feel so foolish.  she sees that as two faced and I see it as me being a twat who didn't want to see the truth

[NIK]

Well I don't have a workplace nor have I haven't broken any laws. Therefore I'm not quite sure how I could be 'outed.'

I don't even fucking punt anymore.

Stupid twat! 

[OldAdmin]

Too late she's deleted the Tweets.
Disappointed

[NIK]

Too late she's deleted the Tweets.
Disappointed

I wonder why? Could it be because they were bollocks?

[lordship]

prehaps her sister deleted them