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firth

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This is in regards to a escort I saw back in March. Now, I'm not a fluffy cunt or a little bitch. I'm very much immune to the Emotionally Attachment Syndrome because I've learnt how pathetic and useless it is to develop emotional feelings for escorts.

Anyway, the punt with her was terrific. She looked like Zooey Deschanel (my celebrity crush). After we finished, I was putting my clothes back on and she was sat upright on the bed, legs stretched and staring at the floor with this really sad look on her face. The kind of look where, by natural instinct, you'd ask 'What's the matter?' I didn't say anything because; I didn't know what to say and there was a language barrier because her English was mediocre.

This goes back to the notion that women resort to escorting because of financial difficulties and not because it's something they enjoy doing. I know whenever I punt this notion is always there but I bury it in the back of my mind and forget about it. It's just that on this occasion the reality of it was undisguised on her face.

I felt really, really guilty for seeing her and paying for the service. I felt like I violated her. Don't get me wrong, I'm a nice guy and she was in control throughout the entire punt. Sometimes I wonder what happens when they kiss you goodbye with a warm smile and the door closes. This goes back to the other thread about escorts being labeled as 'damaged goods'.

Once again, I don't have any personal feelings for her. I just wonder if anyone else felt somewhat guilty for seeing an escort.

Offline CardiffCentral

Review?  I like Zoey.

Two words; Willful Ignorance. 

For us to sustain our desire and deal with any emotional fall out, we prefer to believe that all of these women are free and happy to do what they do.  It's their choice right?  We live in a free democracy and market forces being what they are have 'allowed' these women the opportunity to make some 'easy' money in a short space of time and to better themselves.

It's what we choose to believe and that for me is sadder than your girl feeling dejected after another no-face has left her feeling sore and used. 

The reality is she isn't free to do anything else.  Her skill set and a million other variables have all left her in that position.  Her choice is either to starve, live hand to mouth or suck cock.  She's chosen to suck cock.  That's her choice.  Maybe she's a misguided student? Maybe she has a family to support?  That is the wonderful world of choice we all celebrate so much. 

For every working girl we're exposed to on here and in the media who are absolutely happy to sell sex, there are stupid amounts who have no real voice in society and just go through the motions.  Ask any profesional Escort if they'd enjoy seeing 10 men a day in order to make ends meet and they'd say hell no. 

Here's another example;

Owning and living in a working farm in the countryside sounds lovely to most people right?

Imagine having land that you have to 'farm' so you can provide for your family and survive. 

Similarly, being a professional escort, seeing a certain number of regulars a week and having the mental aptitude to be able to reconcile that part of your life with all your other interests is perfectly fine as a means of making a living.  You're happy with the choice you've made and your income gives you options.  Your body is a farm in the Cotswolds and you shop at Waitrose.  You feel like you're doing something worthwhile.  You have plans and they're coming to fruition. 

At the other end of the 'choice' spectrum; You're Zoey, and you're having to see 20 men a week at rock bottom prices while not knowing how to communicate with them beyond a certain level.  Soon you find yourself spiraling into depression,  a life with no self worth is not the healthiest situation to be in.  The psychological damage is more or less permanent, along with any damage to your physical health.  You're a farm in Siberia.  There's nothing of any substance left beneath the surface and you don't know when this emotional drought will end.  Beyond earning enough to exist you're not being productive, you have no plans and every day is the same.  Life has become a joyless blur.

Sometimes we like to think everyone has the freedom to choose.  But I feel that for the most part, they don't.  We're all channeled in certain directions like cattle.  Real choice, ACTUAL choice, for most of us is a myth. 

Offline Ipunter

Zooey Deschanel get the review or link up!

Offline Trevor12

I'm guessing this about Emma from Lush that we talked about here https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=58911.0

I've never been in the situation you've described, with a girl staring at the floor looking sad after the deed, but it would make me think about whether or not she was doing this of her own free will. Or maybe she just wasn't cut out to be a prossie and that's why she quit.

The good prossies are glad I wasn't too demanding, or an unclean, rude dickhead, so at least pretend they enjoyed me while I'm still there in the hopes of repeat business.

Offline smiths

This is in regards to a escort I saw back in March. Now, I'm not a fluffy cunt or a little bitch. I'm very much immune to the Emotionally Attachment Syndrome because I've learnt how pathetic and useless it is to develop emotional feelings for escorts.

Anyway, the punt with her was terrific. She looked like Zooey Deschanel (my celebrity crush). After we finished, I was putting my clothes back on and she was sat upright on the bed, legs stretched and staring at the floor with this really sad look on her face. The kind of look where, by natural instinct, you'd ask 'What's the matter?' I didn't say anything because; I didn't know what to say and there was a language barrier because her English was mediocre.

This goes back to the notion that women resort to escorting because of financial difficulties and not because it's something they enjoy doing. I know whenever I punt this notion is always there but I bury it in the back of my mind and forget about it. It's just that on this occasion the reality of it was undisguised on her face.

I felt really, really guilty for seeing her and paying for the service. I felt like I violated her. Don't get me wrong, I'm a nice guy and she was in control throughout the entire punt. Sometimes I wonder what happens when they kiss you goodbye with a warm smile and the door closes. This goes back to the other thread about escorts being labeled as 'damaged goods'.

Once again, I don't have any personal feelings for her. I just wonder if anyone else felt somewhat guilty for seeing an escort.

Why on earth do some punters think WGs are WGs because they enjoy it, they do it of course to make money, though some might enjoy it sometimes. No I don't feel at all guilty as in my view WGs are adults and its up to them what they do.

I wouldn't punt with a WG I thought was being forced though.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2015, 01:16:32 am by smiths »

bristolqwerty

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Good thread guys.  I have posted a similar topic myself about young student girls escorting to make ends meet.  The girl in the article had her mums blessing and support.  This girl clearly is being used by a pimp.  I too have seen a EE girl sit on the bed after a punt and look forlorn.  Like you it was a pleasant booking, she was happy and smiley, giggling , I am a gent too and was keen that she enjoyed herself too.  But afterwards I guess the emotional side took over.  I remember spending 5 minutes putting an arm around her listening to her problems.   :dash: She said thank you you are nice, smiled and kissed me on the cheek and again on the way out.  I left feeling really bad. What can you do? Put me off for quite a while. :cry:

yorkshire123

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Anyway, the punt with her was terrific. She looked like Zooey Deschanel (my celebrity crush). After we finished, I was putting my clothes back on and she was sat upright on the bed, legs stretched and staring at the floor with this really sad look on her face. The kind of look where, by natural instinct, you'd ask 'What's the matter?' I didn't say anything because; I didn't know what to say and there was a language barrier because her English was mediocre.


The last time this happened to me I stupidly asked the question, what I got was a 10 minute sob story with crocodile tears & a request for a loan (fuck off)
Never underestimate what levels some girls will go to tug at your over generous heart strings. 

Offline Ipunter

The last time this happened to me I stupidly asked the question, what I got was a 10 minute sob story with crocodile tears & a request for a loan (fuck off)
Never underestimate what levels some girls will go to tug at your over generous heart strings.

+1

Offline AnthG

I just think its more so a case of there are just some WGs who are just extreme grand masters at causing EAS in punters.

I do not think they do it deliberately, as I also think EAS is likely caused by certain personality traits that some girls have. And that one described in the OP is one of them. Over some deliberate ploy on their behalf.

Like yorkshire123 mentioned above, you were given a choice. Ignore and avoid possible EAS resulting. Or start asking what is wrong and possibly get the fishing line hooked onto your cheek so to speak and reeling you right in. :)
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Offline TheOracle

Two words; Willful Ignorance. 

Thank you, mate, this is by far the best and most human message I've seen on UkPunting since I started lurking and posting occasionally years ago.

In my case, I tend to think that, be it a job as a cleaner or as a waitress, London offers a job to pretty much everyone (which is why so many people are flocking to the country). That is what makes me think that for most people who do escorting, it's their choice. Of course, there might be weird corner cases, mothers of many children, sad and unlucky life paths, but I hope that in most of those cases the UK benefit system would provide some sort of alternative. Hell, I know of someone who has a daughter and could make millions out of escorting, but chooses to drag her ass from a job in a bar to multiple gigs as a cleaner: not an easy life, but still doesn't work more than 8/9 hours a day, and lives in a subsidy flat.

All of this is probably confused, but it is to say that I almost never felt guilty towards the WG, when punting. Only once, years and years ago, with a SG that was so sad, so so sad, that it still aches reminding her. I still don't understand why I went through with it, as if saying "really, don't bother, let's say it's a gift" was something embarrassing. I didn't realize that some WG could be trafficked, then: had I known what I know now about the matter I hope I would have had the strength to stop myself that night, and actually bring the girl to the police.

Offline Daffodil

Agree with CardiffCentral.

Wilful ignorance is rife amongst punters, on this subject and many others.

Punting is what it is. It's having sex with women for money. Most prostitutes would prefer not to do it, but they prefer the cash more.

I don't feel guilty about it, just as I don't feel guilty about others who do shit jobs that don't make them happy. And at least prossies are handsomely rewarded.

firth

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I know I preach about the EAS, but I'm not a heartless person. If anyone looks really sad and low, then I'm genuinely concerned regardless of who they are. And on this occasion, I was definitely concerned because I shared such an intimate and awesome moment with a beautiful woman who was nothing but good to me during our time.

bod666

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I've often thought that escorting must be really hard for the foreign girls with limited English. Obviously it's their choice to be here (unless trafficked) but it's hard to make a human connection if you don't understand each other.  Sex with an escort is also a lot about comfortable boundaries e.g. some let you cim others don't. A girl that doesn't understand the question can experience all sorts of things she wouldn't want to when the guy thought she'd agreed. It goes the other way too - I've had girls refuse to go into sexual positions because they thought I wanted something else.

That lack of an ability to communicate and control your boundaries would really fuck you up over time. I used to live abroad in the arse end of nowhere where no one spoke English. That was fucking hard until i picked up some of the lingo but I could never speak it well enough to have a laugh and a joke with the locals. It was very frustrating.

I've never had a wg look sad as I was about to leave but if I did I would give her a hug and try to find out what's wrong. I couldn't just fuck off out of there.

One girl I used to see regularly (she's retired now) told me that when she first came to UK she'd only ever been with her her boyfriend back home then she started escorting working for someone who took half her income shagging different guys having no choice over who she saw and ended every night in tears in the shower.

I expect the above is tragically quite common.

When I saw her she was an indie and only saw who she wanted to and was much happier.

Most girls only work for a short while get together a pot of cash then go back home and get a proper job.

It's up to us whether we want to be a compassionate human being when we go see a wg and make the experience a fun one for both parties, or just be a faceless twat who uses the girl and fucks off again.

Offline stevedave

OP - you saw the girl in March, why only mention this now? It must have made quite an impact on you if you're still thinking about it 3 months on? Have you seen her again since...sounds heartless, but if she gave a good service (which by the sounds of it she did) then you've all the more reason to go back and "check on her"  ;)

Fortunately I've never been in the same position. I am, to all intents and purposes, a nice guy, I enjoy chatting to WG's, as I want them to be comfortable with me...fluffy I know, but you can't change who you are. I like to think I'm savvy and thick skinned enough not to fall for any bullshit, and I have a pretty good radar in that department. If confronted by a glum looking WG at the end, yeah I would ask what was up and listen - unless I was in a massive rush.

Maybe, just mayve, Zoey was sad because you were leaving and she had such a good time she couldn't bare to see you go...admit it, that's what you were hoping  :D

Offline Jimmyredcab

I would bet 99% of pro$$ies don't enjoy the work, how can they enjoy being fucked day after day by old mingers like me.  :unknown:

They do it for one reason, the huge financial rewards.     :hi:

unclesweetheart

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I once saw a girl for the third time. She's 27ish, lives in my town. She was the first girl I ever saw. It was clear, within minututes, that she was high. We had sex, but her conversation was so over the place that I sat down with her, looked her in the eyes and couldn't help saying what I felt: "I'm concerned about you." She burst into tears. I can't remember exactly what she said, but we talked about her life and it was clear that she wasn't coping.

We arranged to meet up for a meal and on the way home after the meet she texted "SAVE ME" - among other things. It was clear she was in a bad place.

When we met up for the meal, she was stunningly dressed and, once again, self-possessed. We had a great night talking about the scene, though she revealed that she'd first had sex when she was significantly under age and it was with a 40-something guy who clearly was some kind of criminal. She had no security buddy and didn't take any of the elementary precautions the girls on SAAFE take for granted

She was escorting to make ends meet. Had no real goals beyond making a bit of money to see her through. It was, I think, a necessary evil for her.  I felt sad about her too.

Offline socks

I feel more sorry for the vast majority of working people in this country who do jobs they'd rather not for several orders of magnitude less pay than prostitutes receive. I feel more sorry for people who are trafficked or controlled into any job. I feel more sorry for people who have a moral code that makes sex in some way different, taboo, more shameful than other perfectly legitimare aspects of human activity

Thus the fact that the work in this case involves having sex is utterly irrelevant to me. Someone who is upset deserves sympathy and support and i would and do freely give it. However i would not feel in the slightest bit guilty or responsible if that had been preceeded by me paying a relatively huge hourly rate to have had consensual sex with them beforehand.

firth

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I'm guessing this about Emma from Lush that we talked about here https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=58911.0

I've never been in the situation you've described, with a girl staring at the floor looking sad after the deed, but it would make me think about whether or not she was doing this of her own free will. Or maybe she just wasn't cut out to be a prossie and that's why she quit.

The good prossies are glad I wasn't too demanding, or an unclean, rude dickhead, so at least pretend they enjoyed me while I'm still there in the hopes of repeat business.

Yes, it's Emma.

firth

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OP - you saw the girl in March, why only mention this now? It must have made quite an impact on you if you're still thinking about it 3 months on? Have you seen her again since...sounds heartless, but if she gave a good service (which by the sounds of it she did) then you've all the more reason to go back and "check on her"  ;)

Fortunately I've never been in the same position. I am, to all intents and purposes, a nice guy, I enjoy chatting to WG's, as I want them to be comfortable with me...fluffy I know, but you can't change who you are. I like to think I'm savvy and thick skinned enough not to fall for any bullshit, and I have a pretty good radar in that department. If confronted by a glum looking WG at the end, yeah I would ask what was up and listen - unless I was in a massive rush.

Maybe, just mayve, Zoey was sad because you were leaving and she had such a good time she couldn't bare to see you go...admit it, that's what you were hoping  :D

I saw her again in March two weeks later. The same thing sort of happened at the end but she concealed it really well that time. She worked from an agency and her profile has disappeared for the past couple of weeks.

Why the fuck would I go back? I hope you were being sarcastic. I act very respectfully towards women regardless of who they are. I don't know, I was raised like that. It was just a little painful seeing such a sad expression on her face whilst she was staring into space.

I wish she comes back.

firth

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Good thread guys.  I have posted a similar topic myself about young student girls escorting to make ends meet.  The girl in the article had her mums blessing and support.  This girl clearly is being used by a pimp.  I too have seen a EE girl sit on the bed after a punt and look forlorn.  Like you it was a pleasant booking, she was happy and smiley, giggling , I am a gent too and was keen that she enjoyed herself too.  But afterwards I guess the emotional side took over.  I remember spending 5 minutes putting an arm around her listening to her problems.   :dash: She said thank you you are nice, smiled and kissed me on the cheek and again on the way out.  I left feeling really bad. What can you do? Put me off for quite a while. :cry:

It's just the way she looked at the end made me not want to punt anymore. After I left, I felt as though I should have said something. I won't lie, it did get to my heart.

Offline Munching32

It could be a very heart felt moment for the OP. But if we do not believe in the words that WG's speak how is it that we go far from that and believe their unspoken expressions on their faces. Its a tough world and the girls might be finding financial hardships a bit too much to cope sometimes. The jobs are hard to come by and only pay a little where as a WG they would make enough without working graveyard shifts constantly, and they will be able to keep up with a luxurious/moderately luxurious lifestyle. Its work compromises are made in all kinds of jobs. Someday in your work you are in excellent mood and somedays you are not but we all learn to cope with it.

The situation is that because when guys have a good time with a girl, our hormones speak against our mind and dick and heart fight to keep the mind out of the way.

Offline cueball

I feel hard pushed to find any sympathy for anyone that's charging me 2 pounds per minute to be with her.

I'm there to have a great time, ride the fantasy wave and believe her act for an hour.

At 120 quid per hour I've got no time for bad days, bad moods or can't be arsed.

Offline socks

I feel hard pushed to find any sympathy for anyone that's charging me 2 pounds per minute to be with her.

I'm there to have a great time, ride the fantasy wave and believe her act for an hour.

At 120 quid per hour I've got no time for bad days, bad moods or can't be arsed.
I think you nailed that better than me  :thumbsup:

Offline arthur

I had a really shitty day at work last week, stress from morning and it didn't let up, ended up feeling shit about work, life and everything in between. The WG gets paid 120p/h to feel shit, I did it for considerably less.
I understand looking at it this way is partially 'wilful ignorance' and there is a darker side to punting but its just another angle to consider this situation from. If she worked in Morrissons and had to work 2 days to earn what she does in an hour she'd probably still go home and stare at a wall pissed off at life.

Hyperchicken

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I would bet 99% of pro$$ies don't enjoy the work, how can they enjoy being fucked day after day by old mingers like me.  :unknown:

Very true, makes me tip my cap to those who can pull off a convincing GFE even more.

tonysoprano

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I had a really shitty day at work last week, stress from morning and it didn't let up, ended up feeling shit about work, life and everything in between. The WG gets paid 120p/h to feel shit, I did it for considerably less.
I understand looking at it this way is partially 'wilful ignorance' and there is a darker side to punting but its just another angle to consider this situation from. If she worked in Morrissons and had to work 2 days to earn what she does in an hour she'd probably still go home and stare at a wall pissed off at life.

+1

When you think about it they earn a lot more than 90% of the population do. I know some EE girls who pay £560 a week in rent alone. And still have 2 grand a week left to play with. It's a licence to print money and those that are smart can set themselves up for life so I can't really spare too much time for them looking sad.

Most girls are moody cows anyway. They watch a movie and end up in tears so I wouldn't lose too much sleep if a WG looked sad.

Type_O_Negative

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I had a really shitty day at work last week, stress from morning and it didn't let up, ended up feeling shit about work, life and everything in between. The WG gets paid 120p/h to feel shit, I did it for considerably less.
I understand looking at it this way is partially 'wilful ignorance' and there is a darker side to punting but its just another angle to consider this situation from. If she worked in Morrissons and had to work 2 days to earn what she does in an hour she'd probably still go home and stare at a wall pissed off at life.

+2

I had a terrible time at work too, i had to find another job. I earn nothing comparing to prossies. I wonder they would feel sorry to me.

Online Steely Dan

She was sad after she accepted £120 in exchange for sex.  But did you make her sad? I bet she would have been even more sad NOT to make the deal.  So if you had not booked her, her life is a bit worse.  So it is reasonable to book her often.  It is her tough life that is making her sad, your £120 made it a tiny bit better.  (Unless she was truly forced, which is not what you think and you are the one who met her).

I remember bargaining for carved items in a poor country. $10 he said.  $1 I said.  We agreed on $1.50.  You're killing me he said.  But he wouldn't let me leave.  He wanted my $1.50 more than he wanted his carved animal. I wanted his carved animal more than my $1.50.  Deal.

This girl wants your £120 more than she wants 'not' to have sex with you. Deal.

There are struggling people in this world.  It is good to help them.  I don't know her.  But I bet she is in the top half of those on the earth.  If you want to help those in deep shit, send money to Nepal.  And as long as they are not underage, forced and so on, pay prossie's to fuck you if you like. Make them a bit happier.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 09:47:26 pm by Steely Dan »

bristolqwerty

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Good points, it makes me so angry to know that girls are forced.  :angry: I have never met anyone who I felt was in this position, if I did walk I would be worried about the consequences for the girl.  I might have chosen the wrong hobby, why isn't prositution legal?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 09:57:32 pm by bristolqwerty »

Offline smiths

Good points, it makes me so angry to know that girls are forced.  :angry: I have never met anyone who I felt was in this position, if I did walk I would be worried about the consequences for the girl.  I might have chosen the wrong hobby, why isn't prositution legal?

Prostitution IS legal here unless you kerb crawl including in theory arranging a punt with a WG on foot in public, the WG is proved to be underage or being coerced.

firth

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She was sad after she accepted £120 in exchange for sex.  But did you make her sad? I bet she would have been even more sad NOT to make the deal.  So if you had not booked her, her life is a bit worse.  So it is reasonable to book her often.  It is her tough life that is making her sad, your £120 made it a tiny bit better.  (Unless she was truly forced, which is not what you think and you are the one who met her).

I remember bargaining for carved items in a poor country. $10 he said.  $1 I said.  We agreed on $1.50.  You're killing me he said.  But he wouldn't let me leave.  He wanted my $1.50 more than he wanted his carved animal. I wanted his carved animal more than my $1.50.  Deal.

This girl wants your £120 more than she wants 'not' to have sex with you. Deal.

There are struggling people in this world.  It is good to help them.  I don't know her.  But I bet she is in the top half of those on the earth.  If you want to help those in deep shit, send money to Nepal.  And as long as they are not underage, forced and so on, pay prossie's to fuck you if you like. Make them a bit happier.

I paid £60 for half an hour. Moreover, she worked from an agency, so she's possibly only getting forty percent of what I paid her.

yorkshire123

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I paid £60 for half an hour. Moreover, she worked from an agency, so she's possibly only getting forty percent of what I paid her.

£24 for 30 mins work, some would say that's not bad.


Offline cueball

£24 for 30 mins work, some would say that's not bad.

Yes, I had my calculator out too

firth

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£24 for 30 mins work, some would say that's not bad.

Sorry, I meant sixty percent. I didn't cum when the half hour finished, so she gave me ten more minutes and made me cum.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

Yeabut do take into account her "downtime" when shes not working for a more accurate picture..

Seems over of Prozzie net AKA SAFFE that there're complaining that bizz is somewhat slack at the moment..


Still when are Girlies not complaning;?.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 11:26:12 pm by Watts.E.Dunn »

justfornow

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some good posts looking at this from very different angles...+1 to all.
I don't fuck for money and i'm on a small wage. Sometimes when i feel like i might be stuck in a shitty job for the rest of my life i feel suicidal. Doesn't mean i need saving. It's just life.

Maybe she was just tired :) All of us have that zombie like absent minded look when we're tired and get a minute for a breather.