Ever considered setting up an agency? Part II

[maxeyate]

I have recently joined the forum after a friend user told me about this platform but my experience with escorts extends to long before I joined UKP…

I was reading through topics of interest on the forum and stumbled upon the following threads:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=65807.msg839459#msg839459

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=22010.msg327049#msg327049


I am in a position where I happen to know quite a bit from the client perspective of how the industry is shaped through my own punts and have contacts acquired through years of this hobby that have led me to think about ideas about a platform that I could potentially set up. My go-to in the UK is agencies especially London ones, and from time to time AdultWork.

My main worry is that it may all be a fantasy that punters will not find any interest in using. From reading around I have already seen punters much more insightful and experienced than myself so I believe that receiving opinions from the community would be very valuable.

I was wondering if it is possible to receive input from the community regarding this initiative. I emailed the admin team regarding a possibility for a consultation prior to registering. I did read the ‘no touting’ policy and thought that my email may be borderline with what the community guidelines are, so I decided to ask everyone and be as transparent as possible.

I have faced quite a lot of friction in my interactions with escorting over the years and believe - maybe naively - that this can change now that I finally have much more spare time on my hands as I have retired .

Even if this topic gets flagged I want to thank the community for accepting me with warm hands and wanted to emphasise that the review I posted is fully genuine and will post several more in the time to come!!

[RandomGuy99]

My advice is don't.

[LLPunting]

Are you aware of the UK Law concerning prostitution?  Start there.

[Doc Holliday]

Welcome to the forum 

It is just as well you have wisely cleared this with Admin as your post has the potential to raise suspicion.

I'm a little unclear about what you mean by 'a platform' and 'initiative'?

[daviemac]

Welcome to the forum 

It is just as well you have wisely cleared this with Admin as your post has the potential to raise suspicion.

I'm a little unclear about what you mean by 'a platform' and 'initiative'?

Can I just make it clear when the OP contacted me for advice the only thing he asked was if the last reply on a thread was 10 years ago should he start a new one, at no point did he say he wanted advice about being a pimp. Had he done so my advice would have been very different.

[RandomGuy99]

that this can change now that I finally have much more spare time on my hands as I have retired .

Have you considered taking up gardening instead?

It'll get you out in the sunshine and fresh air.  You can grow vegetables and some nice flowers.

[daviemac]

I have recently joined the forum after a friend user told me about this platform but my experience with escorts extends to long before I joined UKP…

I am in a position where I happen to know quite a bit from the client perspective of how the industry is shaped through my own punts and have contacts acquired through years of this hobby that have led me to think about ideas about a platform that I could potentially set up. My go-to in the UK is agencies especially London ones, and from time to time AdultWork.

Have you read the rules mate?? If you are more than just a punter you have to declare it, something you have not done.

This site is here for the benefit of punters not to give wannabe pimps advice.

I don't know what sort of 'platform' you are thinking of setting up but you can't advertise it on here.

For what you have in mind this is not the site for you.

Are you associated with babylongirls?   

[Doc Holliday]

Can I just make it clear when the OP contacted me for advice the only thing he asked was if the last reply on a thread was 10 years ago should he start a new one, at no point did he say he wanted advice about being a pimp. Had he done so my advice would have been very different.

Thanks Davie. He appears to be saying though that he emailed UKP about his intention to post this before registering his account?

I emailed the admin team regarding a possibility for a consultation prior to registering. I did read the ‘no touting’ policy and thought that my email may be borderline with what the community guidelines are, so I decided to ask everyone and be as transparent as possible.

[MissWolf]

Thanks Davie. He appears to be saying though that he emailed UKP about his intention to post this before registering his account?

I think he may be telling little porky pies 🥧  I can't see Head1 or any of the mod team saying 'away lad you crack on and see what advice the members have for your new pimping venture, we love pimps on here' 

I think the reply would have gone more  with a dash of jog on sunshine 

[akauya]

Must say, the first reaction I had when I read the title of this thread was... "Oh dear, this is not going to end well."

[daviemac]

Thanks Davie. He appears to be saying though that he emailed UKP about his intention to post this before registering his account?

I don't know if he emailed Head1 or not but he did ask me about starting a new thread or reviving an old one. 

Can't remember his name now but there was a member banned for trying to promote his own website so I can't imagine his proposal being agreed to.

[Head1]

I received this. I didn't reply

To whom it may concern,

I am emailing you after viewing several posts on your UKP forum. I was wondering if you provide paid consultation regarding commercial initiatives in the industry.

If this option works for you, I would like to clarify what duration of time will the meeting take, how will it happen, how do I send the money to you, and how I should best prepare/ what scope of questions interest you the most. It is very important for myself to receive quality feedback from people representing punters’ interests. I also know that your team places emphasis on non-affiliation with SP platforms, and I am not asking for any sort of touting of the product. We genuinely believe we have an interesting initiative for this space serving towards punter interests.

I thank you for reading the email and hope we can agree on next arrangements.

Yours,
M

[Lou2019]

Must say, the first reaction I had when I read the title of this thread was... "Oh dear, this is not going to end well."

Quite   

[Lou2019]

I received this. I didn't reply

To whom it may concern,

I am emailing you after viewing several posts on your UKP forum. I was wondering if you provide paid consultation regarding commercial initiatives in the industry.

If this option works for you, I would like to clarify what duration of time will the meeting take, how will it happen, how do I send the money to you, and how I should best prepare/ what scope of questions interest you the most. It is very important for myself to receive quality feedback from people representing punters’ interests. I also know that your team places emphasis on non-affiliation with SP platforms, and I am not asking for any sort of touting of the product. We genuinely believe we have an interesting initiative for this space serving towards punter interests.

I thank you for reading the email and hope we can agree on next arrangements.

Yours,
M

Wow

[Doc Holliday]

Well that should be the end of this thread then 

[RandomGuy99]

I think the punter side of running an agency is probably the easiest bit. Have a decent selection of SPs, make sure their list of services offered is correct, make it clear what is standard and extra and make sure they're ready on time.

The part that's hard is managing the properties used, the rota of SPs including last minute changes, the bookings, filtering out the timewasters, list of problematic SSs - stalkers etc.

Collecting the money. Laundering the money.

Not getting arrested and put in prison.

Wouldn't it be nicer to spend your retirement in your garden or maybe shagging SPs instead of a prison cell?

[daviemac]

I received this. I didn't reply

To whom it may concern,

I am emailing you after viewing several posts on your UKP forum. I was wondering if you provide paid consultation regarding commercial initiatives in the industry.

If this option works for you, I would like to clarify what duration of time will the meeting take, how will it happen, how do I send the money to you, and how I should best prepare/ what scope of questions interest you the most. It is very important for myself to receive quality feedback from people representing punters’ interests. I also know that your team places emphasis on non-affiliation with SP platforms, and I am not asking for any sort of touting of the product. We genuinely believe we have an interesting initiative for this space serving towards punter interests.

I thank you for reading the email and hope we can agree on next arrangements.

Yours,
M

Nothing in that really to indicate he's a wannabe pimp, unlike his post on here.

I recieved this. - "Hello, I wanted to ask if I found a thread of interest which has last reply of about ten years ago, should I create a new thread or use the old one?? Cheers."

Nothing there to indicate his intentions.

My reply. -

"If the last reply was 10 years ago it's hardly of current interest, however follow the advice on the big red warning about reviving old threads and start a new one.

If it's that old it wouldn't show, it would need to be approved by a mod anyway."

[maxeyate]

Are you aware of the UK Law concerning prostitution?  Start there.

Hello. More or less, yes.

[scutty brown]

...........My main worry is that it may all be a fantasy that punters will not find any interest in using. From reading around I have already seen punters much more insightful and experienced than myself so I believe that receiving opinions from the community would be very valuable...............

So in other words you want to run an agency and don't have the skillset. That's not something you're going to learn from talking to the members here, even if some are more insightful and experienced than you.
You're living in a dreamworld, you're asking about something that isn't going to happen.

Suggestion for you: go to the SAAFE website and ask for advice on finding, hiring and managing girls for your new agency. You need girls before you need punters. Ask there and see what advice Amy gives you. Remember, she's seen this before and is well placed to offer relevant advice.

[maxeyate]

Can I just make it clear when the OP contacted me for advice the only thing he asked was if the last reply on a thread was 10 years ago should he start a new one, at no point did he say he wanted advice about being a pimp. Had he done so my advice would have been very different.

I didn’t say that I was planning to be a pimp and from what I was thinking, the platform isn’t agency-style. It is more in the nature of an independent platform like AdultWork, so I am not taking commission from workers, but rather providing an advertising platform. This is for clarification. I also emailed the email provided on the forum about this from my email linked to this account.

[maxeyate]

Welcome to the forum 

It is just as well you have wisely cleared this with Admin as your post has the potential to raise suspicion.

I'm a little unclear about what you mean by 'a platform' and 'initiative'?

Hello Doc, by platform I mean an independent style platform like AW, whose creation is an initiative I am interested in.

[scutty brown]

Hello. More or less, yes.

So what is the legislation that controls prostitution, modern slavery, and trafficking in this country?
What are the laws relating to visas and work permits?
What do you know about renting property

"More or less" isn't good enough. "More or less" will send you to jail

[scutty brown]

I didn’t say that I was planning to be a pimp and from what I was thinking, the platform isn’t agency-style. It is more in the nature of an independent platform like AdultWork, so I am not taking commission from workers, but rather providing an advertising platform. This is for clarification. I also emailed the email provided on the forum about this from my email linked to this account.

So what do you know about your intended competitors?
Do you know who they are? How they work? How big they are? Lots of companies trying it, few make any money

[maxeyate]

Have you read the rules mate??

This site is here for the benefit of punters not to give wannabe pimps advice.

I don't know what sort of 'platform' you are thinking of setting up but you can't advertise it on here.

For what you have in mind this is not the site for you.

Are you associated with babylongirls?   

I don’t want to argue with moderators but here are my answers to the above. I have read the rules and am a punter. If by me posting this, I am not just a punter - for clarification I have no associations with any workers except in client relationships, and of course no associations with running platforms - I agree that my account should be relabelled so members are aware of this.

Regarding wannabe pimps, I understand.

I was not thinking of advertising it here but rather getting some thoughts from our community about whether solutions I provide to certain problems we face are viable.

I am not associated with any platforms/agencies/the industry other than from the side of punting.

[daviemac]

I didn’t say that I was planning to be a pimp and from what I was thinking, the platform isn’t agency-style. It is more in the nature of an independent platform like AdultWork, so I am not taking commission from workers, but rather providing an advertising platform. This is for clarification. I also emailed the email provided on the forum about this from my email linked to this account.

What part of this site is not here to help pimps set up are you not getting?

You are free to do whatever you like but, not on here. Did the fact the site owner ignored you email not give you a hint.

Your very own thread title. -  Ever considered setting up an agency?  -  You need to reread the rules that you agreed to when you joined.

3 Touting
Zero tolerance for touting / advertising. You must disclose any link that may be seen as biased if you're not just a customer. Sharing info must be for the benefit of other punters and not promote the business of others.


11 Other punting forums
Discussion about other punting forums is not prohibited, but many are often very hostile. Other forums are also anti-punters; therefore, it is not in punters' interests to give them publicity. Posting links to other sites is prohibited, as is slagging off. Use your noodle. We are allowing links in Punting Abroad section.

[RandomGuy99]

So what do you know about your intended competitors?
Do you know who they are? How they work? How big they are? Lots of companies trying it, few make any money

So he is going to put a website that competes with AW, VS and other more established sites.

What's your differentiator in the market?

Are you going to be cheaper?

Have a wider reach?

Have some amazing features like integration with ClientEye and UglyMugs so that messages from known timewasters and problematic SSs can be automatically filtered out?

ChatGPT integration to help SPs write amazing ads or profile notes?

Integration with all the major banks for handling payments for adult services?

24x7 support in multiple languages

Hosting for SPs' content including scanning the content for use of licensed music, stopping content containing illegal activities

Working with law enforcement agencies to assist with investigations of sexual assaults and rapes, people trafficking, etc.

There's a lot to it.

[daviemac]

Just to reiterate, we are not here to help pimps set up advertising platforms.

OP if you are going to do this then it's escorts you need to ask as what punters would prefer and what they are prepared to do are two very different things.

Try asking on EscortingHub where chat between escorts and punters is welcome.

[myothernameis]

Are you going to be cheaper?

If the basic rate is £160 per hour, and the op agency rate is around £120, and is still to take his cut, what does this leave the escort with.  In this way, I wouldn't see any escorts being willing to work for this sort of rate

[Doc Holliday]

I am not associated with any platforms/agencies/the industry other than from the side of punting.

But you are not working alone on this?

We genuinely believe we have an interesting initiative for this space serving towards punter interests.

[maxeyate]

I think the punter side of running an agency is probably the easiest bit. Have a decent selection of SPs, make sure their list of services offered is correct, make it clear what is standard and extra and make sure they're ready on time.

Not getting arrested and put in prison.

Wouldn't it be nicer to spend your retirement in your garden or maybe shagging SPs instead of a prison cell?

Hello RandomGuy. To reiterate, I have no intentions of setting up an agency. I think that what happens to me is not and should not be a worry of our community.

I grew to love the space through years of this hobby and have noticed many inefficiencies even when dealing with prestige providers in the space. I see how services in other spaces evolve and I guess the one thing keeping this industry where it is, is a combination of public opinion about the industry preventing talented specialists from entering the space coupled with its monopolisation.

I think that law-wise my team would be treading thin ice but by no means illegal. There is no intention of pimping and soliciting ladies. Advertising sexual services online isn’t illegal. Obviously, no trafficking nature to the concept exists. In the “Controlling Prostitution for Gain” act, there is an area where it says that there are certain types of conduct falling outside a scope of offence.

“Selling a directory of prostitutes, in which the prostitutes paid to have their details included.”is one of the types of conduct. Hope I clarified myself.

[RandomGuy99]

If the basic rate is £160 per hour, and the op agency rate is around £120, and is still to take his cut, what does this leave the escort with.  In this way, I wouldn't see any escorts being willing to work for this sort of rate

I was thinking in terms of fees he charges to the SPs for being listed.

[maxeyate]

But you are not working alone on this?

This is not a challenge I intend on tackling myself exactly due to the depth and breadth of functionality etc requiring work on.

[RandomGuy99]

Hello RandomGuy. To reiterate, I have no intentions of setting up an agency. I think that what happens to me is not and should not be a worry of our community.

I grew to love the space through years of this hobby and have noticed many inefficiencies even when dealing with prestige providers in the space. I see how services in other spaces evolve and I guess the one thing keeping this industry where it is, is a combination of public opinion about the industry preventing talented specialists from entering the space coupled with its monopolisation.

I think that law-wise my team would be treading thin ice but by no means illegal. There is no intention of pimping and soliciting ladies. Advertising sexual services online isn’t illegal. Obviously, no trafficking nature to the concept exists. In the “Controlling Prostitution for Gain” act, there is an area where it says that there are certain types of conduct falling outside a scope of offence.

“Selling a directory of prostitutes, in which the prostitutes paid to have their details included.”is one of the types of conduct. Hope I clarified myself.

I just can't see it scaling and being successful in a market where there are already many competitors. As soon as you launch with your new features people will copy them and then you have nothing unique. At the start you'll be losing money. By all means give it a go.

[maxeyate]

Just to reiterate, we are not here to help pimps set up advertising platforms.

OP if you are going to do this then it's escorts you need to ask as what punters would prefer and what they are prepared to do are two very different things.

Try asking on EscortingHub where chat between escorts and punters is welcome.

Thank you for the advice. What do you mean by “what punters would prefer and what they are prepared to do…”.

Another member posted about how I am incompetent to run a platform because I haven’t ran one. I agree that I am less competent than a person who is in the position that they have a platform, but I have experience with other projects that have seen fair success. Regarding housing laws etc, I am not a pimp. I don’t need them.

If this is the “stop answering to this thread or you will be banned” warning, I take it and can stop replying. As for now, I have said nothing about any platform and just made a general inquiry. Apologies once again for breaching the rules. Thank you for the answers which people left.

[Doc Holliday]

This is not a challenge I intend on tackling myself exactly due to the depth and breadth of functionality etc requiring work on.

That goes without saying, but you seemed to imply you already have at least one partner in this and the process is already in planning rather than an idea in your head?

Anyway, I'm not sure you have spent enough time reading UKP threads, if you had you would realise that you will struggle to get any kind of useful consensus from punters on anything. 

I wish you luck, but my view is you have little chance of trying to improve on the likes of AW, by adopting a more professional corporate approach. As you say the public image of sex work will never bring it into mainstream.

[scutty brown]

........... I am not a pimp.................

In which case why is the thread titled "Ever considered setting up an agency?"
Pimps run agencies

[daviemac]

Thank you for the advice. What do you mean by “what punters would prefer and what they are prepared to do…”.

I would have though it was obvious but never mind.

Punters would prefer escorts to be totally honest with what they say in their profiles, they would prefer accurate face pictures on adverts and things of that nature, however we all know that will never happen. As I have already said you need to talk to escorts about what they would find useful and this is not the place to do that.

By the fact you are a wannabe pimp casts serious doubt over how genuine any reviews you post would be, they could well relate to an escort you are representing on you 'platform'.

[maxeyate]

In which case why is the thread titled "Ever considered setting up an agency?"
Pimps run agencies

I named the thread like this because I found an old thread which seemed mildly related. I also linked to the thread. In the contents of what I wrote I never expressed any desire to open an agency. Apologies for how I named the thread.

I said I will stop posting in the thread so I will. There is a reply limit of once every 12 hours in personal messages. I will try to reply, and am not going to say anything about the platform as I have no intentions of advertising anything. Mods can probably check messages and verify this. If mods let me continue answering in the thread, I will do so but no questions regarding details about the platform as that would be deemed advertising. Hope this is clear.

[daviemac]

I named the thread like this because I found an old thread which seemed mildly related. I also linked to the thread. In the contents of what I wrote I never expressed any desire to open an agency. Apologies for how I named the thread.

I said I will stop posting in the thread so I will. There is a reply limit of once every 12 hours in personal messages. I will try to reply, and am not going to say anything about the platform as I have no intentions of advertising anything. Mods can probably check messages and verify this. If mods let me continue answering in the thread, I will do so but no questions regarding details about the platform as that would be deemed advertising. Hope this is clear.

FWIW I do not believe your review for 1 minute, I think you only posted it so you looked genuine before posting this which I believe is the main reason for joining.

You obviously didn't read the threads you linked to, the first reply on one of them was "pimp alert", other replies were varying between "it isn't a good idea" and "this is the wrong site to ask on".

[RandomGuy99]

As I have already said you need to talk to escorts about what they would find useful and this is not the place to do that.

+1

The SPs are his customers who he will be charging.

[maxeyate]

FWIW I do not believe your review for 1 minute, I think you only posted it so you looked genuine before posting this which I believe is the main reason for joining.

You obviously didn't read the threads you linked to, the first reply on one of them was "pimp alert", other replies were varying between "it isn't a good idea" and "this is the wrong site to ask on".

It is your right to not believe it. The only way it could be proven that I punted her would be if we asked her or I provide a booking confirmation of her, both of which I am glad to do 

The threads I linked to I read. They discussed setting up agencies, not advertising platforms, which is quite a difference from the point of view of the law. I apologise for confusing the members about how I named the thread. It could be prudent to rename it because it seems to shift the focus of the thread from  an inquiry unreated to topic of thread to activity heavily discouraged on the platform. Some members above also seemed to be more “understanding” when I emphasised that this isn’t a plan to create the next big agency.

I mentioned this to another community member, another peculiar aspect of this industry and creating something in this space is the interesting dilemma a creator is faced with. On the one hand, you want client opinion for product discovery. On the other hand, due to how furtive the nature of this industry is, clients in real life don’t admit to be clients and so won’t apriori give any opinions to the creators in this space. To add to this, you have a double whammy of forums banning ‘touting’ for very understandable reasons. Additionaly, worker-led forums also discourage these type of inquiries, even though certain developments benefit them directly. Creators are left to scratch their head as to what clients want, and in my case I resort to what I want, which is obviously ineffective. That is precisely why I reached out to the admin team prior to this decision. So that I could gain some opinions from informed people and not “advertise” any sort of platform.

[southcoastpunter]

Well that should be the end of this thread then 

if only!! - its clearly an issue for the Mods/Admin yet some members see fit to keep adding their comment! why?

why not leave the Mods/Admin to do their jobs?

[daviemac]

That is precisely why I reached out to the admin team prior to this decision. So that I could gain some opinions from informed people and not “advertise” any sort of platform.

The site owner ignored you, you messaged me but didn't say what the 'interesting' thread you wanted to revive was.

For the last time this site is not here help pimps set up advertising or any other sort of platform.

You named this thread "Ever considered setting up an agency? "Part II""  as in a continuation of the threads you linked to but as a result of the reaction you have received you are now backtracking.

What you can't grasp is what a punter says on this subject is irrelevant, punters will look anywhere for escorts but escorts are selective about where they advertise.

[RandomGuy99]

What you can't grasp is what a punter says on this subject is irrelevan, punters will look anywhere for escorts but escorts are selective about where they advertise.

When talking to SPs about it I would suggest you don't start with "I asked this question on UK Punting and they suggested I ask you lot on SAAFE.". 

[lewisjones23]

Go set up a WG platform and see how you get on

AW have the market cornered, its like someone setting up a search engine, completely pointless as Google is so dominant

[daviemac]

When talking to SPs about it I would suggest you don't start with "I asked this question on UK Punting and they suggested I ask you lot on SAAFE.".

He wouldn't get on to SAAFE to ask, it's a closed shop, I've told him where to go for info.from SPs.

[badsin]

The OP knows a lot about how the site works for such a new member.
I wonder what their previous profile was before being banned?

[scutty brown]

The OP knows a lot about how the site works for such a new member.
I wonder what their previous profile was before being banned?

He certainly shows remarkable ability to find those old threads and posts by NIK and Smiths

[PepeMAGA]

Go set up a WG platform and see how you get on

AW have the market cornered, its like someone setting up a search engine, completely pointless as Google is so dominant

This is the thing, look how much has been pumped into vivastreet and it's still not as popular.
The AW platform is still quite amateur looking and the app isn't great imo, but thats probably on purpose so it draws less attention.
You have to think as well, why would girls choose a brand new site with no traffic? Most reasons would end up in a nightmare situation for you....scammers, traffickers etc

[Colston36]

Hello Doc, by platform I mean an independent style platform like AW, whose creation is an initiative I am interested in.

I have spent much of my life dealing with organisations that offer services of one kind or another - eg. credit cards - and resent years benefiting from the service AW offers. Their set up is extremely well thought out, and offering any serious competition would require a great deal of determination, knowledge and talent - rather more, I would suggest than that gleaned from one meeting.