What makes a girl choose escorting?

[Doc Holliday]

I am sure escorts do exactly the same, but they have total control over what they do and who with.  If they don't want to do something then they just say no and wait for the next person.

If only it was that simple for all SP's

[daviemac]

I think all escorts put on a bit of an act as it can't easy getting random people to wash properly and then shag them. A bit like infant school every day.

Us in regular jobs have to tow the company line to keep the management happy and get paid every month, so sometimes we have to bite our tongues and do stuff we would really rather not do.  I am sure escorts do exactly the same, but they have total control over what they do and who with.  If they don't want to do something then they just say no and wait for the next person.

Sadly not always the case so please don't show your ignorance. For the unfortunate ones saying no isn't an option. 

BTW you haven't explained why an escort should be concerned about law enforcement reading this forum.   

[Doc Holliday]

Especially if they are still getting plenty of good sex. As per my earlier post,  youre far from the only one who finds punters give better sex than civvy encounters. Much as some here may find that impossible to believe.

To be fair, I don't think Dunhill actually said she finds punters have better sexual skills?

An 'honest' conversation with most SP's will tell you that sex with punters is (fortunately) mostly tolerable, sometimes awful, sometimes enjoyable and only every now and then great.

[Colston36]

If only it was that simple for all SP's

Quite so. No two people are entirely alike; actually even one person changes physically and attitudinally as years pass and circumstances change. 

[MissWolf]

To be fair, I don't think Dunhill actually said she finds punters have better sexual skills?

An 'honest' conversation with most SP's will tell you that sex with punters is (fortunately) mostly tolerable, sometimes awful, sometimes enjoyable and only every now and then great.

100% this

I won't go into the reasons behind the whys I do this but ex swinger who has a high sex drive and was struggling financially mostly covers it for me.

I continue to do this because I like it and at times I love it and the money is really handy, I'm also part time and am very lucky to have regular clients, price point of average to just below average I think but then there are regional and age factors to throw into that.

I tour so screening is different for the different areas I go to and while I do my best to get a feel of who is coming through my door I can honestly say only about 10% of them actually look like the image I think their voice and demeanour portray, I've been very lucky in that I've never had any serious problems or major trouble or any particularly nasty clients, just a few boundary pushers, hygiene is absolutely pot luck but thankfully rarely very bad.

[willie loman]

For some reason the "D" word is rarely mentioned on this forum.

In the case of virtually every escort or sugar babe I have got to know well enough to know about their "lifestyles", money for drugs has (regrettably) been the main reason they are willing to have sex for financial reward.

Most people who smoke weed are weed-dependant, and are therefore daily users.  Once you've factored in tobacco and papers as well as the weed itself, even moderate daily weed use costs at least £600 a month.  And a cocaine binge once or twice a week doesn't come cheap either.

Of course this doesn't apply to every escort, but – as I have indicated – it certainly applies to the vast majority of those I have known well over the years; and I don't think there is anything about my "sample" that is untypical or self-selecting.  But we can only report as we find.

drug use is a major reason for the brit sex worker in my experience, the foreign girls are doing it to move up the ladder, and often have fairly right wing, conservative attitudes to life, very ambitious for their kids etc, and a visceral contempt for the indigenous hookers who squander their money

[rafathegaffa]

No idea, but I'm glad they do else I'd never have sex.

 

I concur. Glad they do it. I never once pulled a girl hotter than a 7 in civvie life. With punting, I slay like I'm brad pitt.

Fun fact: I don not look like Brad Pitt. 

[RandomGuy99]

BTW you haven't explained why an escort should be concerned about law enforcement reading this forum.   

Because if you're visiting the UK on a tourist visa or a visa waiver and get asked at immigration if you have any plans to work and say no, then you may have difficulty explaining to the nice people of the Border Force why you have been posting on an escorting forum looking for advice on how to work in the UK.

[RandomGuy99]

drug use is a major reason for the brit sex worker in my experience, the foreign girls are doing it to move up the ladder, and often have fairly right wing, conservative attitudes to life, very ambitious for their kids etc, and a visceral contempt for the indigenous hookers who squander their money

I think some British sex workers use drugs to deal with the mental health aspects of escorting (anxiety of not knowing who is coming through the door, being bombarded with messages for bookings, timewasters, trying to please randoms would walk in the door, having to have your guard up while you're working, safety concerns as the majority work alone) and some for purely recreational reasons. I think the majority of them don't do escorting to pay for the drugs.

Ultimately, it's none of my business why they escort, so I never ask. I am just glad they do.

[jesse4585]

To be fair, I don't think Dunhill actually said she finds punters have better sexual skills?

Correct Doc. And neither did I.  I said some other lasses find they give better sex.

Great skills help you give great sex, but other factors are in play. Another big one is your attractiveness & fitness.  (And no ones saying that punters are above averagely attractive, though quite a few individuals punters are).

Yet for some lasses, especially the sensitive types, various emotional factors are even more important than both skills & looks combined.  This includes but is not limited to:  How the partner makes her feel - does he make her feel desired and valued? Does he make her feel he cares about her well being? And all sorts of other hard to express factors related to the quality of connection and compatibility.

Dunhil strongly emphasised she likes punters  "treating me well (a phrase so many of you scoff at). The great paradox of escorting is that I have found the men - my clients - to be far more honourable, interesting and decent than many of the men I have met in the dating world. "  So as per other things she's said,I suspect she's one of the lasses for whom looks & skills aren't the most important thing for good sex.

Not sure how much you know about how dating platforms like Tinder have affected civvie dating. Some of the more sexually successful men now get free sex almost on tap. For some (not all) this causes them to  become arrogant & devalue women -  few really value what they can get so easily.

Here's another example of a WG who prefers less attractive punters partly as they can be less arrogant. "I feel more relaxed with someone who is considerably less attractive than me. And usually end up having a more enjoyable session."  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=226523.msg2304929#msg2304929

Some of us less attractive punters who can sometimes go over a year without pulling a civvie, can still think women are wonderful & that intimate time with them is really special special even into our old age.

While I'd say you're miss reading Dunhill and being overly cynical about her, I'd agree youre right she might have an affinity with the more fluffy punters. Who are far more common than it might appear to any who never looks at other punting sites.

An 'honest' conversation with most SP's will tell you that sex with punters is (fortunately) mostly tolerable, sometimes awful, sometimes enjoyable and only every now and then great.

I'm not experienced enough to be sure,  but yes Im happy to 100% agree with Miss Wolf this likely accurately reflects the experience of most SPs.  Thanks again for the balancing posts Doc!

[daviemac]

Because if you're visiting the UK on a tourist visa or a visa waiver and get asked at immigration if you have any plans to work and say no, then you may have difficulty explaining to the nice people of the Border Force why you have been posting on an escorting forum looking for advice on how to work in the UK.

I'll leave you with your paranoia so not to derail this thread.

[chadpitt]

This is such a dumb thread.

Prostitutes have sex for money.

It's that simple.

How many jobs pay £150ph, require no qualifications, pay in cash and are legal.

What they need the money for differs: kids, family, drugs, shopping, debt etc.

[dunhill]

Have you thought of running workshops for other SP's on how to detect smelly punters by talking to them online? Does your screening include asking for a photo?

I have considered it. You have made it clear that you are very part time and have implied you work(ed) high end. This means you may see far less clients than the average.

If you advertise as high end it just means you may attract someone willing to pay you more money. It does not guarantee they will not attempt to treat you like a piece of meat. Your 'those kinds of punters' also seems very condescending towards other SP's. "The dross will book them not me"
At least you acknowledge problem punters exist. Just that they choose not to see you.

All SP’s screen clients to varying degrees, but I have never come across one who claims she has 100% success record and where they have never encountered a problem client. I repeat no amount of screening will detect some of the criteria you mention.

UKP can be a hostile place for SP’s, but it’s very unusual for me personally to give SP’s a hard time (many others do) Sorry, but I am calling bullshit on this.

In addition, your subsequent post about “why you personally do it" is classic playing to the fluffy punter gallery. Some will love what they hear and are already white knighting you. Good luck.

Another assumption.  I don't use the words high end, high class or any of the associated words as they are all meaningless in this sphere.  And besides, those who claim to be classy rarely are.  Charging a high fee doesn't necessarily equate anything other than charging high fees.  Does it buy a better class of escort?  No really, something countless threads and reviews on here attest to.

I apologise that you seem unable to think critically and let your own assumptions and perhaps experiences of this world feed into your opinion of me and your inability to not take my words at face value.  You also have no knowledge of who I am, how I advertise, what services and experiences I offer, nor the fees I charge. Maybe, just maybe, this would afford more insight into how I have managed to not attract any less than desirable clients.  Maybe, just maybe, I make it very clear that I am just not interested in meeting certain kinds of men, and maybe, just maybe, I have figured out a guaranteed way to sift out those whom can't be bothered to read my t&cs/show they can follow directions

For me, as a part-timer, my main aim when I went into this world was how to keep the majority away from me, not only those whom are less desirable. The reason for this is that I not only wanted to make my encounters with clients as stress-free as possible, but I didn't want to have to be inundated with messages from potential clients.  The answer was to make access to me not so easily accessible, and this starts with my advertising. It was incredibly validating when a now regular client told me that my advertising was spectacularly off-putting and another regular told me he wasn't sure I would even respond to his enquiry.  My way of doing things has clearly worked as I have not had a single booking with anyone with less than faultless hygiene, good manners and has been a thoroughly decent human being.  I can only apologise for my clients that they aren't problematic in any way. 

Also, just because you have never come across a SP who has never encountered a problem/has a 100% success record does not mean they do not exist. There are hundreds, if not thousands of escorts in the UK.  Have you met them all? If you have not, then you can only count on the words of those whom you have met. Hardly a full-comprehensive or conclusive study. 

Call bullshit all you want, that is absolutely your prerogative.  Irregardless of the many words I have typed responding to you, I do not really care. Ultimately, you don't know me or the kinds of clients* I have so it really not your place to tell me that you don't believe me.  It also seems strange to me that you're going out of your way to try to pick my posts apart, not least because at every point, you're continuing to get it so wrong. Why is it you're so desperate to prove me wrong? I have been nothing but truthful, and why should I not be, I am very part-time and not dependent on escorting to earn a living.

*clients, not punters.  That's a big clue for you right there.

[dunhill]

the womans body is essentially commoditised

Yes.

I choose to view escorting as monetising my sex life.

[Thephoenix]

Another assumption.  I don't use the words high end, high class or any of the associated words as they are all meaningless in this sphere.  And besides, those who claim to be classy rarely are.  Charging a high fee doesn't necessarily equate anything other than charging high fees.  Does it buy a better class of escort?  No really, something countless threads and reviews on here attest to.

I apologise that you seem unable to think critically and let your own assumptions and perhaps experiences of this world feed into your opinion of me and your inability to not take my words at face value.  You also have no knowledge of who I am, how I advertise, what services and experiences I offer, nor the fees I charge. Maybe, just maybe, this would afford more insight into how I have managed to not attract any less than desirable clients.  Maybe, just maybe, I make it very clear that I am just not interested in meeting certain kinds of men, and maybe, just maybe, I have figured out a guaranteed way to sift out those whom can't be bothered to read my t&cs/show they can follow directions

For me, as a part-timer, my main aim when I went into this world was how to keep the majority away from me, not only those whom are less desirable. The reason for this is that I not only wanted to make my encounters with clients as stress-free as possible, but I didn't want to have to be inundated with messages from potential clients.  The answer was to make access to me not so easily accessible, and this starts with my advertising. It was incredibly validating when a now regular client told me that my advertising was spectacularly off-putting and another regular told me he wasn't sure I would even respond to his enquiry.  My way of doing things has clearly worked as I have not had a single booking with anyone with less than faultless hygiene, good manners and has been a thoroughly decent human being.  I can only apologise for my clients that they aren't problematic in any way. 

Also, just because you have never come across a SP who has never encountered a problem/has a 100% success record does not mean they do not exist. There are hundreds, if not thousands of escorts in the UK.  Have you met them all? If you have not, then you can only count on the words of those whom you have met. Hardly a full-comprehensive or conclusive study. 

Call bullshit all you want, that is absolutely your prerogative.  Irregardless of the many words I have typed responding to you, I do not really care. Ultimately, you don't know me or the kinds of clients* I have so it really not your place to tell me that you don't believe me.  It also seems strange to me that you're going out of your way to try to pick my posts apart, not least because at every point, you're continuing to get it so wrong. Why is it you're so desperate to prove me wrong? I have been nothing but truthful, and why should I not be, I am very part-time and not dependent on escorting to earn a living.

*clients, not punters.  That's a big clue for you right there.

Picked up the clue, Mistress Dominatrix.

[petermisc]

For some reason the "D" word is rarely mentioned on this forum.

In the case of virtually every escort or sugar babe I have got to know well enough to know about their "lifestyles", money for drugs has (regrettably) been the main reason they are willing to have sex for financial reward.

Of course this doesn't apply to every escort, but – as I have indicated – it certainly applies to the vast majority of those I have known well over the years; and I don't think there is anything about my "sample" that is untypical or self-selecting.  But we can only report as we find.

That may say something about the type of escorts that you tend to see.  My experience, seeing mainly foreign escorts, is exactly the reverse.  A girl who is spending all her money on drugs and is desperate for cash is not going to have the wherewithal to get herself to the UK and set herself up here (unless she has been trafficked).

Some girls do fall into drugs once they have started this work.  It involves lots of waiting around with nothing to do, waiting for the next client, and for some drugs can fill the boredom.  And for some girls, spending will inevitably rise to match income.  Some may finish with several properties under their belt, but many finish with little more than they started with.

Those girls who work for agencies, or worse the Chinese, Brazilian and other pimp-rings have much less freedom than independents.  The freedom to set their own hours and control their own lives wasn't the main driving force for them to become an SP.  However, many who start working for agencies subsequently go independent to gain extra control over their lives. 

Undoubtedly the main driving force is money.  Those regulars who I have got to know well enough to discuss this have generally started this work because her existing work was not paying enough to support her, and a friend already in the trade suggested she might try it, and provided the entry point (advice, etc.).

[Strawberry]

That may say something about the type of escorts that you tend to see.  My experience, seeing mainly foreign escorts, is exactly the reverse.  A girl who is spending all her money on drugs and is desperate for cash is not going to have the wherewithal to get herself to the UK and set herself up here (unless she has been trafficked).

Some girls do fall into drugs once they have started this work.  It involves lots of waiting around with nothing to do, waiting for the next client, and for some drugs can fill the boredom.  And for some girls, spending will inevitably rise to match income.  Some may finish with several properties under their belt, but many finish with little more than they started with.

Those girls who work for agencies, or worse the Chinese, Brazilian and other pimp-rings have much less freedom than independents.  The freedom to set their own hours and control their own lives wasn't the main driving force for them to become an SP.  However, many who start working for agencies subsequently go independent to gain extra control over their lives. 

Undoubtedly the main driving force is money.  Those regulars who I have got to know well enough to discuss this have generally started this work because her existing work was not paying enough to support her, and a friend already in the trade suggested she might try it, and provided the entry point (advice, etc.).

I found the opposite I knew I would do ok if I got sober, alcoholism and drug use made me unreliable and I knew I had good clients. this was a motivator. I'm definitely not bored between bookings and never was. I now have over 9 years tee total and longer clean 'recreational' drug use. I found it easier to drop the recreationals, compared to alcohol but now long term sober.

Regards problem clients I have had them, stalking, harassment, wasting time by deception, burglary (a long time ago), and an armed robbery a year or two after the break in. Taught me to take my safety seriously.

[alabama1]

Because if you're visiting the UK on a tourist visa or a visa waiver and get asked at immigration if you have any plans to work and say no, then you may have difficulty explaining to the nice people of the Border Force why you have been posting on an escorting forum looking for advice on how to work in the UK.

What if she said 'yes' 

[lillythesavage]

This is such a dumb thread.

Prostitutes have sex for money.

It's that simple.

How many jobs pay £150ph, require no qualifications, pay in cash and are legal.

What they need the money for differs: kids, family, drugs, shopping, debt etc.

You still posted on it though 

[Atrueyorkie]

This is such a dumb thread.

Prostitutes have sex for money.

It's that simple.

How many jobs pay £150ph, require no qualifications, pay in cash and are legal.

What they need the money for differs: kids, family, drugs, shopping, debt etc.

+1. Im surprised it cross over to a second page

[Colston36]

Yes.

I choose to view escorting as monetising my sex life.

Everyone on here "monetises" - a pretentious American word for "sells" - whatever talent they have. And sex sells a whole lot better than the skills most punters have.

[Alyssa Babe]

Someone asked in another post to comment on this post.


But here is my story on why I became an escort in Canada.

I was really young, (20 years old) when I started being an escort in Canada. To start.. it’s the boo boo, poor me story of moving across Canada and I fell flat on my face(homeless). I knew a few girls that told me, they make good money being an escort so it got me thinking. Plus,  I am kind of a nympho,  so it really sparked my curiosity. I then went in to city hall and gotten a city mandated escort licence and logged on with the area agencies. Some cities in Canada require an escort business license. Like the UK it is legal to be a service provider.
At first it was really intimidating and felt bad as everyone told me that girls like me where dirty. People and their quirky opinions.

I ended up loving my choice of careers. I loved the attention, hearing clients stories and I got to do things that I normally could not afford to do. You gentlemen like to spoil us. I have been doing this on and off now for around 20 years. This career as controversial it is.. helped me build a life of fun, travel and new experiences that I would not have been able to do with “regular work”.

Would I recommend a young girl to start the business. Not unless you really want to do it and never let anyone control your activities if you do. Most are not equipped to deal with the trails and tribulations of this business. I have managed not to go down a bad rabbit hole that swallows up some service providers.

I am luckier than some. I have good memories and fun times of being a service provider. Makes me feel good when I can make someone feel better about themselves, feel wanted and appreciated. It’s a business that I have made life time friendships out of. We are sensual creatures.
Xo
Alyssa.

[RandomGuy99]

What if she said 'yes' 

Then she wouldn't be allowed to enter the country on the visa and could be sent home on the next flight.

[daviemac]

Then she wouldn't be allowed to enter the country on the visa and could be sent home on the next flight.

Please stop posting about this. you are showing yourself up, you haven't got a clue, castle walls and short planks are springing to mind.

What visa does a Canadian need to enter the UK, oh hang on, they don't need one.   

They show their passports and walk through, no questions asked, well at least my relatives who are Canadian citizens with Canadian passports do.

Even those from the USA don't need a visa now.

[jamiekinkxxx]

And it's one that only an individual escort can answer.

Agree 100%

There will be various reasons, some blurring into others. Most have in one way or another been called out on this thread already. Each lady will fit into one or more of those reasons.

[jamiekinkxxx]

This is such a dumb thread.

Prostitutes have sex for money.

It's that simple.

How many jobs pay £150ph, require no qualifications, pay in cash* and are legal.

What they need the money for differs: kids, family, drugs, shopping, debt etc.

The thread is why they choose it not that they simply get paid for sex.

They could choose a different career (part time or fultime as many sex workers do not work full time) and still get paid... the reason is why choose sex work as a way to earn income?

Yes it pays well (but probably not aswell as many believe*), but there are many other factors to consider than just the money. IMHO it has to be one of the more emotionally draining professions to deal with.

- "pay in cash*" yes but they should still pay their tax (and many do) to be legal
- "but probably not aswell as many believe*" many a thread on the earning power of escorts. Some will, and do make alot of money, others will not, but maybe more than they can in any alternative career they maybe able to pursue. We cannot all be in the top 1-5% of earners in a normal day job afterall.

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[jamiekinkxxx]

Complex circumstances. Each individual persons reasons differ, there is no fixed answer as cliche as that might be.

I do think however, that potential earnings and flexibility plays a large part in why, when compared to alternative typical low skilled paying jobs to choose from. Comparing with high skilled paying jobs it makes no sense financially to escort. There is a low barrier to entry to start escorting, compare that to something like being a software engineer or a niche industry where you need time to develop specific skillsets before you can earn good money.

Escorting also requires specific skillsets but not as stringent as other industries and does not require as much time, mostly as much as no one would like to admit, the womans body is essentially commoditised and is already ready as the product, compared to jobs where you must create something or deliver something to get paid over time. Most guys are going in happy just to have sex, and some require "GFE" or other niche services which would of course require more skillsets to deliver. We see some are very professional and treat it like a business and others, not so much. However, once again...complex circumstances for each individual.

 

[GreyDave]

Im surprised that book by Bell de Jour ... the Bristol academic has not been mention however the SP from Canada has answered more or less like her story

Ive met swingers and nyphos that decided to make extra cash occasionaly then they slipped full time, I m sure Ive met Soho girls grabing at as much cash as they can get in a sort while,
WGs who have told me of the houses they rent out and will retire early. And the Hungry Hungarian and Brazlian Cracker that is here to make a pile and buy the farm back home

Screening
How many of us have been told go to X ring when standing in front of Y describe you clothes? It happens frequently to me ring again when outside Ill tell you number of flat .
(too many years ago Miss Whiplash ( Linda Sinclare refused me in her Earls Court Basement ...to young and not an MP   

You will be watched and measured up , I all ways try to be clean polite and a cheap after shave just before going in to flat Some guys get angrey that the WGs post No x,y or z`s but at some time we will of been in that NO bracket for them  ( I am now in the Old Greezer bracket  )     

[datwabbit]

Obviously to meet interesting naked people.

[Mr Sinister]

Complex circumstances. Each individual persons reasons differ, there is no fixed answer as cliche as that might be.

I do think however, that potential earnings and flexibility plays a large part in why, when compared to alternative typical low skilled paying jobs to choose from. Comparing with high skilled paying jobs it makes no sense financially to escort. However, once again...complex circumstances for each individual.

Same reason why people end selling drugs, it's easy money, doesn't require much skills.

[RandomGuy99]

Please stop posting about this. you are showing yourself up, you haven't got a clue, castle walls and short planks are springing to mind.

What visa does a Canadian need to enter the UK, oh hang on, they don't need one.   

They show their passports and walk through, no questions asked, well at least my relatives who are Canadian citizens with Canadian passports do.

Even those from the USA don't need a visa now.

You do need a visa if you want to work. You can visit for tourism or attendance of work meetings under the visa waiver system. Take a look at the UK government website which tells you what visas you need External Link/Members Only

Given that I have actually worked overseas and had to get these visas I think I might know more about legally working in other countries than you do.

Hidden Image/Members Only

[tp69]

You do need a visa if you want to work. You can visit for tourism or attendance of work meetings under the visa waiver system.

Given that I have actually worked in 4 countries and had to get these visas I think I might know more about legally working in other countries than you do.

I would imagine Davie is suggesting that many SP's aren't actually applying for a work visa for sex work, and instead likely travel back and forth without arranging one. It's a cash business and I doubt many independent SP's are declaring a significant portion of their income.

[RandomGuy99]

I would imagine Davie is suggesting that many SP's aren't actually applying for a work visa for sex work, and instead likely travel back and forth without arranging one. It's a cash business and I doubt many independent SP's are declaring a significant portion of their income.

Yes, I am expecting that these SPs aren't applying for work visas as they'll need to be sponsored by their employer and that is a little difficult to do working as a self-employed escort. 

If someone from another country wants to do this, then do it quietly and don't go posting a photo of your face on websites.

[tp69]

Same reason why people end selling drugs, *it's easy money*, doesn't require much skills.

Besides from the obvious legal differences, I definitely wouldn't consider it easy money (safety risk - health risk - shagging fat hairy blokes that potentially repulse you). I also think it requires a decent level of expertise in order to conduct yourself in a manner that doesn't do significant harm to your life. Yes, they don't need a college degree, but they need street smarts, be a decent people person, and have some sexual IQ if they're going to be popular.

[tp69]

Yes, I am expecting that these SPs aren't applying for work visas as they'll need to be sponsored by their employer and that is a little difficult to do working as a self-employed escort. 

If someone from another country wants to do this, then do it quietly and don't go posting a photo of your face on websites.

Come on, her photo isn't connected to her identity. I very much doubt border control is monitoring this website considering it's not even indexed in search engines and doesn't typically contain identities. They have bigger problems than a Canadian citizen travelling to the UK for tourism.

[RandomGuy99]

Come on, her photo isn't connected to her identity. I very much doubt border control is monitoring this website considering it's not even indexed in search engines and doesn't typically contain identities. They have bigger problems than a Canadian citizen travelling to the UK for tourism.

Well in the world of AI and face recognition software it probably isn't that difficult to find someone's identity from a face photo. Why do you think immigration grab retina and face scans now?

I know of some escorts from the UK who got stopped by immigration when visiting the US on a tourist visa. They had their bags searched and a load of sex toys were found. Immigration said they believed they were visiting the country to work and they got denied entry to the US and sent home. It happens.  It's best to buy your sex toys in the country you're visiting and dispose of them before you go home.

[tintin100]

You do need a visa if you want to work. You can visit for tourism or attendance of work meetings under the visa waiver system. Take a look at the UK government website which tells you what visas you need External Link/Members Only

Given that I have actually worked overseas and had to get these visas I think I might know more about legally working in other countries than you do.

Hidden Image/Members Only

Many convert tourist visas to work visas whilst in the uk

[tp69]

Well in the world of AI and face recognition software it probably isn't that difficult to find someone's identity from a face photo. Why do you think immigration grab retina and face scans now?

I know of some escorts from the UK who got stopped by immigration when visiting the US on a tourist visa. They had their bags searched and a load of sex toys were found. Immigration said they believed they were visiting the country to work and they got denied entry to the US and sent home. It happens.  It's best to buy your sex toys in the country you're visiting and dispose of them before you go home.

Big difference. It's legal in the UK, so a Canadian SP would be legally entitled to travel to the UK for tourism, much like anyone else.

It's not the same for the US, and carrying a bag of sex toys probably isn't the smartest idea if you're planning on keeping a low profile.

[chadpitt]

The thread is why they choose it not that they simply get paid for sex.

They could choose a different career (part time or fultime as many sex workers do not work full time) and still get paid... the reason is why choose sex work as a way to earn income?

Yes it pays well (

but probably not aswell as many believe*), but there are many other factors to consider than just the money. IMHO it has to be one of the more emotionally draining professions to deal with.

- "pay in cash*" yes but they should still pay their tax (and many do) to be legal
- "but probably not aswell as many believe*" many a thread on the earning power of escorts. Some will, and do make alot of money, others will not, but maybe more than they can in any alternative career they maybe able to pursue. We cannot all be in the top 1-5% of earners in a normal day job afterall.

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They do it for money as in the level of renumeration is what motivates them.

The idea most pay appropriate taxes (if any) is questionable or else the wouldn't insist on cash.

I don't know about emotionally draining. Depends on their clients and if they even offer GFE.

Not all of them are on 6 figure salaries but if you say someone does just does 3 clients a day at £100 for 3 days a week. That's well over £40k a year for just 9 hours work a week.

All they have to do is keep the regulars that they like and they're laughing.

[RandomGuy99]

Many convert tourist visas to work visas whilst in the uk

Yes, they do but you have to get your work visa sponsored by an employer and the job you're doing has to fit certain eligibility criteria e.g. prove you have certain skills or experience that mean it's difficult to find someone like you in the UK and thus you are not depriving a UK citizen or legally working resident of a job. Sadly, I don't think being really good at blowjobs and shagging is on the list of criteria.

This is why all countries have work visas. It's to protect their local employment market and ensure that the local population get employed instead of being undercut by the use of cheaper labour from other countries.

[lillythesavage]

Yes, they do but you have to get your work visa sponsored by an employer and the job you're doing has to fit certain eligibility criteria e.g. prove you have certain skills or experience that mean it's difficult to find someone like you in the UK and thus you are not depriving a UK citizen or legally working resident of a job. Sadly, I don't think being really good at blowjobs and shagging is on the list of criteria.

This is why all countries have work visas. It's to protect their local employment market and ensure that the local population get employed instead of being undercut by the use of cheaper labour from other countries.

How does that fit with EU freedom of movement then ?  Where anyone can go anywhere in the EU and work for less money than a local can live on?
Sure, they are legal, but where is the protection of the local job market? Are people from outside the EU suffering discrimination?

[RandomGuy99]

How does that fit with EU freedom of movement then ?  Where anyone can go anywhere in the EU and work for less money than a local can live on?
Sure, they are legal, but where is the protection of the local job market? Are people from outside the EU suffering discrimination?

If you're an EU citizen then you have freedom of movement and can live and work anywhere in EU. When the UK was in the EU, then the same rules applied to the UK and its citizens.  Sadly, the UK has now left the EU, so freedom of movement is no longer in place. The UK is having to reach agreements with individual EU countries to allow UK citizens to travel to them and in some cases this requires work visas to be obtained.  It's not a major problem for people who meet the eligibility criteria and just requires more paperwork, time and fees to be paid, so it makes it a bit harder for UK citizens to work in the EU. EU citizens who were already resident and working in the UK could apply for permssion to stay and get permanent residency, so they could continue living and working in the UK.

People from outside the EU still have to get work visas to work in the EU and to get one you usually need to get sponsored by an employer and the employer normally has to prove you have special skills or experience that they can't find in their country and so they are bringing you in to fill a gap and let their business make more money and create other jobs in the country.

In the EU freedom of movement removed the protection of the local market and I guess that is one of the things that some UK citizens objected to and caused Brexit.  Migrants typically don't choose to move to another country without a lot of thought.  It can be very hard, but they do it for a better life or opportunities. Migrants want to make their move successful so they work hard and sometimes will work for less money than the local people in order to ensure success. Those are the decisions people make. 

Work visas are often tied to an employer, so sometimes people on work visas can get exploited and if they refuse to do something their employer could terminate their employment and they have to leave the country at 90 days notice.

[tintin100]

Yes, they do but you have to get your work visa sponsored by an employer and the job you're doing has to fit certain eligibility criteria e.g. prove you have certain skills or experience that mean it's difficult to find someone like you in the UK and thus you are not depriving a UK citizen or legally working resident of a job. Sadly, I don't think being really good at blowjobs and shagging is on the list of criteria.

This is why all countries have work visas. It's to protect their local employment market and ensure that the local population get employed instead of being undercut by the use of cheaper labour from other countries.

Well there are lots of jobs being filled by people with work visas from other countries but of course not the EU. It's obvious those low paid jobs are not attracting UK workers, they prefer to be on the dole or job seekers allowance or are in the black economy. Hence what was the point of Brexit. As selling sex is legal you could in theory get a work permit but as you know there are plenty working here without the correct visas as in other countries in the world but here we are paranoid about it.

[tp69]

Slightly off track lads. It's not a thread about Brexit/immigration, about to get very boring very quickly.

[RandomGuy99]

Slightly off track lads. It's not a thread about Brexit/immigration, about to get very boring very quickly.

Agreed.

[VolapUK]

I became an escort in Canada.

I wonder if you ever met Chester Brown? A cartoonist from Toronto who is a punter and proud of it. He even made an autobiographical graphic novel on the subject.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Besides from the obvious legal differences, I definitely wouldn't consider it easy money (safety risk - health risk - shagging fat hairy blokes that potentially repulse you). I also think it requires a decent level of expertise in order to conduct yourself in a manner that doesn't do significant harm to your life. Yes, they don't need a college degree, but they need street smarts, be a decent people person, and have some sexual IQ if they're going to be popular.

+1

In no way is this 'easy money'..... and the ones that make alot of money are the top artists of their craft.

It's a tough gig in many ways.... not as plain sailing as many a guy would think.

Yes the rewards can be very very high (in gifts and travel not just £££) for those at the top of the game but these ladies are also educated, smart, know how to dress / conduct themselves. You only have to look at Camille twitter page to see the trip, gifts she gets from her Mr X, Y and Z to see how good she is at her job.

The ones at the lower end, yes may make more money than maybe a checkout girl at Aldi but boy are they at the edgy (high risk) end of the business. Even these girls need, as has been stated above, to be: "street smart, a decent people person, and have some sexual IQ"

[Punting2022]

Tax free money. Why else would they do.

[JustaPunter]

Tax free money. Why else would they do.

Yawn.

That old chestnut again…

[petermisc]

I found the opposite I knew I would do ok if I got sober, alcoholism and drug use made me unreliable and I knew I had good clients. this was a motivator. I'm definitely not bored between bookings and never was. I now have over 9 years tee total and longer clean 'recreational' drug use. I found it easier to drop the recreationals, compared to alcohol but now long term sober.

I am glad that you managed to turn your life around, and used escorting as a route out of drink and drugs.

Things can be very different for a foreign girl working for a London agency.  Once they have booked on for the day with the agency, they have to be available at short notice for any booking, so don't really get much chance to get out other than quick shopping trips.  With no friends and family at hand, stuck in a tiny shared flat, and nothing much to occupy their time, it is easy to fall prey to drink and drugs.  I rarely use agency girls these days, but when I did, it was not uncommon for one of my regulars to express concern about one of her flat mates, particularly if she was becoming a bad influence on other girls.  The drinking and drug taking in the shared agency flats was the main reason that a couple of them decided to go solo. 

Just because an escort is taking drugs doesn't mean it is the reason she started escorting.  Unfortunately, for many girls, escorting is the route into drink and drugs.