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Offline NIK

In this time of unprecedented change in all our lives one thing remains constant - the endless adverts on commercial tv and radio.
It could be end of the world but those bloody meerkats would still be blabbering away advertising whatever it is they are flogging.  :dash:

Offline mh

Many were obviously pre-booked, especially the "Visit Taiwan" type advertorials on Sky News. Who is holiday planning right now?  :dash:

The TV companies ain't gonna give the money back so run the ads anyway then they can bill.

Let's see what we're seeing in a few weeks time... A lot of make a will ads?  :scare:

Offline WARSZAWA16

I normally record most of the television that I watch so, thankfully, can therefore fast forward through the adverts. The constant repetition of the same adverts on, say, Capital Gold and Absolute Radio really get on my nerves though. 

Offline Squire Haggard

The Grammarly ads on Youtube seemed to have gone, thankfully. They were driving me nuts.

Offline WARSZAWA16

The Grammarly ads on Youtube seemed to have gone, thankfully. They were driving me nuts.

I still seem to be getting them, unfortunately. I find it somewhat ironic that they describe something as "wordy".

Offline winkywanky

In this time of unprecedented change in all our lives one thing remains constant - the endless adverts on commercial tv and radio.
It could be end of the world but those bloody meerkats would still be blabbering away advertising whatever it is they are flogging.  :dash:


Such a shame you hate the BBC, no adverts on there  :D.

Offline winkywanky

Many were obviously pre-booked, especially the "Visit Taiwan" type advertorials on Sky News. Who is holiday planning right now?  :dash:

The TV companies ain't gonna give the money back so run the ads anyway then they can bill.

Let's see what we're seeing in a few weeks time... A lot of make a will ads?  :scare:


I can see new companies like Coffins 'R' Us popping up, they'll certainly be looking for airtime.

Offline NIK

Ironically I have just read that there is  - inevitably  - going to be a fall in advertising revenue. Does this mean there will be one advertising break per hour, as there was when I was a kid rather than three, and the breaks will be 4/5 minutes as they used to be, rather than 6/7 as they often are now?

Offline winkywanky

I think you'll have the same amount of ads, but the price per minute paid by the advertisers will simply drop. Unfortunately Nik  :(.

Offline threechilliman

Many were obviously pre-booked, especially the "Visit Taiwan" type advertorials on Sky News. Who is holiday planning right now?  :dash:

The TV companies ain't gonna give the money back so run the ads anyway then they can bill.

Let's see what we're seeing in a few weeks time... A lot of make a will ads?  :scare:

I saw a holiday ad a couple of days ago that left me scratching my head until I realised it had probably been schedule some time before. Was rather amusing though....

Offline MrMatrix

I hate the Ads that come on porn sites. Fuckin relentless.  :dash: :dash:

Offline mr.bluesky

I saw a holiday ad a couple of days ago that left me scratching my head until I realised it had probably been schedule some time before. Was rather amusing though....


Can't imagine there will be many cruise ship holidays booked now :scare:

Offline mh

Ironically I have just read that there is  - inevitably  - going to be a fall in advertising revenue. Does this mean there will be one advertising break per hour, as there was when I was a kid rather than three, and the breaks will be 4/5 minutes as they used to be, rather than 6/7 as they often are now?

Well they don't have actual programming content made to fill the time - ITV shows are made for ~22 minutes per half hour, so expect lots of show promos in place of adverts. Years ago it was regulated as something like 26 minutes content per half hour but they successfully argued that they needed it relaxed to make more money, sorry I mean remain commercially viable.  :sarcastic:

Sky News are showing handwashing and social distancing videos all the time, yes it is useful public information but it is only there to fill the voids!

Offline Kool Keef


Such a shame you hate the BBC, no adverts on there  :D.

No good programmes either  :D

Offline winkywanky

It's OK apart from the preachy stuff they seem so keen on these days, IMO. There's normally a bit of something for everyone.

Offline Kool Keef

I don't find much of interest on there anymore apart from Attenborough's programmes

Offline Spencer Fobby

Since there is no film production of any kind going on, the only ads you see are ones that have booked their slots months in advance.  Their money is spent already (the holiday ads for example).
And Ads are the way all the other channels stay afloat (you knew that, though...)


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Offline MrMatrix

It's OK apart from the preachy stuff they seem so keen on these days, IMO. There's normally a bit of something for everyone.
you are absolutley right WW. Theres a whole range of stuff there. Their news is very comprehensive. These days I record what I want to watch and view it the next day and am able to skim pass the ads.
For instance this morning on Hardtalk they interviewed MiaKhalifa 26 who was a pornstar. She's rated 2nd most popular hit currently - it was a very interesting interview- yes something for everyone I would say :hi:

Offline winkywanky

I've seen that Hardtalk, it must have been a repeat, it was on some time ago.

She's going steady with a longstanding BF and currently engaged in trying to get all her shit off the internet.

Good luck with that!

(I don't think she went down too well in the Muslim community either  :lol:).

Offline NIK

I don't find much of interest on there anymore apart from Attenborough's programmes

Yes. what's with this Fleabag woman they're obsessed with?
Saw a few episodes to see what the fuss was about & concluded it was bullshit.

Offline Happylad


Such a shame you hate the BBC, no adverts on there  :D.

The BBC should be privatised and made to earn its keep, just like all the other broadcasters.  There is no longer any reason why it should be entitled to levy a tax on the mere possession of a TV set, regardless of what it is used for, for that is what the TV Licence is in reality.

It is a public scandal that O.A.P.s should be forced to pay almost £200 a year just to OWN a TV, and it is a simple enough matter for the BBC (as with all the other paysites) to restrict viewing to its contributors.

The problem is that we have a bloated giant of a monopoly which can waste enormous sums of money paying ridiculous salaries to employees and contractors who might otherwise have to work for a living, and all without having to account responsibly for the expenditure.

There is, for instance, no justification whatever in forcing an elderly person (or anyone else for that matter) who has absolutely no interest in football to contribute to the ridiculous sum of £2,000,000 a year paid to a retired footballer for merely introducing a 90 minute programme once a week, or, for that matter, the £500,000 to someone who reads the news once a day or who "presents" a half hour weekly `phone in programme.

Remove BBC`s monopoly and we should very quickly find out just what the public thinks it`s worth.

Offline NIK

I am also sick to the back teeth with their bloody hypocritical (rich asking poor for money) self satisfied, celeb fests, charity appeals. Kids in need, Comic Relief, Sports Relief, etc.
I'd like some Relief from Relief.

Offline winkywanky

The BBC should be privatised and made to earn its keep, just like all the other broadcasters.  There is no longer any reason why it should be entitled to levy a tax on the mere possession of a TV set, regardless of what it is used for, for that is what the TV Licence is in reality.

It is a public scandal that O.A.P.s should be forced to pay almost £200 a year just to OWN a TV, and it is a simple enough matter for the BBC (as with all the other paysites) to restrict viewing to its contributors.

The problem is that we have a bloated giant of a monopoly which can waste enormous sums of money paying ridiculous salaries to employees and contractors who might otherwise have to work for a living, and all without having to account responsibly for the expenditure.

There is, for instance, no justification whatever in forcing an elderly person (or anyone else for that matter) who has absolutely no interest in football to contribute to the ridiculous sum of £2,000,000 a year paid to a retired footballer for merely introducing a 90 minute programme once a week, or, for that matter, the £500,000 to someone who reads the news once a day or who "presents" a half hour weekly `phone in programme.

Remove BBC`s monopoly and we should very quickly find out just what the public thinks it`s worth.


Depends whether you think it ought to be 'just like other broadcasters'.

If that happened, the BBC would undoubtedly survive, and survive well, but it wouldn't be 'the BBC'. Other broadcasters would take a big hit from their advertising revenue because advertisers would want to put their ads on the BBC.

I guess the basic thing about the BBC is that it's a bit like the NHS in that everyone pays a little bit, and there's a lot of stuff on there, whenever you want it. Things become tricky when not enough people use it enough, and start questioning its existence, at least in its current form.

The other thing to consider is that a lot of people don't like the fact that their own personal politics aren't 'agreed with', and if you're paying to hear what you don't agree with then you don't like it.

Another thing to consider is that no telly is 'free', you pay for the 'free' independent channels every time you go shopping, whether you like it or not.

The OAP thing...that is indeed a scandal, at a late stage in the last licence fee negotiations with the then govt, they suddenly decided to put this on the table as a condition of the new settlement, and IMO the BBC should have fought it. It was basically a demographic stitch-up which was always going to kick them in the balls. It's a bit like saying that your energy provider should pay your winter fuel allowance. Clearly, any such allowance should come from the govt, and if they want to curtail the BBC's funding then do it through the front door, where the public can see what's going on, and not the back door. It was worded something like 'at the end of a certain period the BBC will become responsible for what to do with the over-75 free licence deal.' But basically, the govt had the BBC over a barrel.

I think the licence fee model will gradually disappear, it just depends whether the govt will allow it enough time to transition gradually as the TV market evolves.

Regarding BBC 'salaries to the stars', they generally won't be any more than ITV but of course the BBC's funding model means it's under great scrutiny. AFAIK, as contracts come up for renewal, they are generally renegotiated for less, but a lot of people are still complaining about Jonathan Ross and Gary Lineker, and they were years ago. Jonathan Ross buggered off to ITV (partly because of the Andrew Sachs fiasco) and you'll now see Lineker on other channels as well as the BBC, because his pay got cut and he needs to work around now. A bit rich in his case, that now he chooses to kick the BBC in the balls by questioning the licence fee which kept him in clover for so long.

There does need to be an open and public debate about the future and future funding of the BBC, but the public owns the BBC so it should have a good say in it. But a govt which doesn't particularly care for the BBC shouldn't be allowed to cut it to bits simply off its own bat.

Offline Xtro

The BBC should be privatised and made to earn its keep, just like all the other broadcasters.  There is no longer any reason why it should be entitled to levy a tax on the mere possession of a TV set, regardless of what it is used for, for that is what the TV Licence is in reality.

It is a public scandal that O.A.P.s should be forced to pay almost £200 a year just to OWN a TV, and it is a simple enough matter for the BBC (as with all the other paysites) to restrict viewing to its contributors.

It's nothing to do with owning a TV, since you can use a TV in a stand alone set-up, ie, for gaming or watching bluray, DVD, etc.

A TV license allows you to watch, or record, live TV.

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But I agree, it's not needed and should be subscription based, still without adverts if that works for them.

Offline Steve2

I've seen that Hardtalk, it must have been a repeat, it was on some time ago.

She's going steady with a longstanding BF and currently engaged in trying to get all her shit off the internet.

Good luck with that!

(I don't think she went down too well in the Muslim community either  :lol:).

Exactly. Good luck with removing nearly 5000 porn movies  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here is just one

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Offline winkywanky

Poor girl looks to be having an awful time  :D.

Offline Boundless

Many were obviously pre-booked, especially the "Visit Taiwan" type advertorials on Sky News. Who is holiday planning right now?  :dash:

The TV companies ain't gonna give the money back so run the ads anyway then they can bill.

Let's see what we're seeing in a few weeks time... A lot of make a will ads?  :scare:

Yes the Radio Times (I'm an old codger!) still has adverts for holidays in Italy - they haven't aged well!

Offline winkywanky

The BBC is forced to point out, other pointless adverts are available.

Offline MrMatrix

Exactly. Good luck with removing nearly 5000 porn movies  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here is just one

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Nice one Steve, havent seen that one - its on the wrong thread :thumbsup:

Think you may be right WW, but she's like that in most of the films she did. All big guys :hi:
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Offline winkywanky

At least she'll have no problem giving birth when the time comes, none of this caesarian rubbish  :D.

Offline PatMacGroin

Some companies seem to have seen an opportunity to make the most of the current situation. Maybe I'm just more aware of it now, but I've noticed this ad for domestos bleach on the telly a lot recently:

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It doesn't straight out mention corona virus, but the voice over could hardly be better worded to prey on peoples worst fears at the moment:

"Noro virus, salmonella, e-coli. You make me sick! Hiding, breeding, infecting the weak.
 Germs! Here's your bad news. I'm Domestos, and I'm coming for you..."

Offline PatMacGroin

The BBC should be privatised and made to earn its keep, just like all the other broadcasters.  There is no longer any reason why it should be entitled to levy a tax on the mere possession of a TV set, regardless of what it is used for, for that is what the TV Licence is in reality.

It is a public scandal that O.A.P.s should be forced to pay almost £200 a year just to OWN a TV, and it is a simple enough matter for the BBC (as with all the other paysites) to restrict viewing to its contributors.

The problem is that we have a bloated giant of a monopoly which can waste enormous sums of money paying ridiculous salaries to employees and contractors who might otherwise have to work for a living, and all without having to account responsibly for the expenditure.

There is, for instance, no justification whatever in forcing an elderly person (or anyone else for that matter) who has absolutely no interest in football to contribute to the ridiculous sum of £2,000,000 a year paid to a retired footballer for merely introducing a 90 minute programme once a week, or, for that matter, the £500,000 to someone who reads the news once a day or who "presents" a half hour weekly `phone in programme.

Remove BBC`s monopoly and we should very quickly find out just what the public thinks it`s worth.

I agree with much of what you say. The BBC has become a behemoth that needs to be overhauled to make it more cost effective in many area's, particularly the exorbitant rates being paid to the "stars". Let them fuck off to commercial channels and rotate newly discovered talent into those roles, it's not like there is a shortage of people clamouring for the opportunity. Also, charging OAPs for the license fee is a disgrace. 

However, I do agree with the license system and I believe the BBC provides amazing quality original content, across a huge range of formats not just TV programming. One example of that which is particularly relevant at the moment is the news services.

SKY News, for example, regularly report incorrect or at the very least misleading information. Only interested in drawing in viewers by being the first to break sensationalist news stories. That behaviour has been repeated several times during the current crisis. Including broadcasting stories picked up from social media, only to quietly drop them a couple of hours later when they have been revealed as false. But by that point the damage is done, much of the public treats their reports as a verification, adding to the general feelings of panic. 

BBC news does not release reports until they have thoroughly verified the facts. In that regard it can be relied upon, unlike the commercial news services. At times like these that is invaluable.

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Can't believe the ad for cruises with Rob whatshisname is still showing on some of the channels.

Offline mr.bluesky

Can't believe the ad for cruises with Rob whatshisname is still showing on some of the channels.

Has to be the most annoying advert on the telly. ( and I wish someone would shoot those f##king meercats) If you book a cruise ship holiday now it might last longer than the 1 or 2 weeks you originally  booked for  :scare:

Offline Home Alone

Can't believe the ad for cruises with Rob whatshisname is still showing on some of the channels.

Brydon?

The Ads that piss me off - as someone old enough, and with little better to do, especially at the moment, than to re-watch old Detective series on ITV3 - are all the competing ones for Over- 50 Life insurance.

Offline timsussex

Yes. what's with this Fleabag woman they're obsessed with?
Saw a few episodes to see what the fuss was about & concluded it was bullshit.

the first 5 minutes of the very first one was brilliant - nothing that followed was a tenth as good

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Depends whether you think it ought to be 'just like other broadcasters'.

If that happened, the BBC would undoubtedly survive, and survive well, but it wouldn't be 'the BBC'. Other broadcasters would take a big hit from their advertising revenue because advertisers would want to put their ads on the BBC.

I guess the basic thing about the BBC is that it's a bit like the NHS in that everyone pays a little bit, and there's a lot of stuff on there, whenever you want it. Things become tricky when not enough people use it enough, and start questioning its existence, at least in its current form.

The other thing to consider is that a lot of people don't like the fact that their own personal politics aren't 'agreed with', and if you're paying to hear what you don't agree with then you don't like it.

Another thing to consider is that no telly is 'free', you pay for the 'free' independent channels every time you go shopping, whether you like it or not.

The OAP thing...that is indeed a scandal, at a late stage in the last licence fee negotiations with the then govt, they suddenly decided to put this on the table as a condition of the new settlement, and IMO the BBC should have fought it. It was basically a demographic stitch-up which was always going to kick them in the balls. It's a bit like saying that your energy provider should pay your winter fuel allowance. Clearly, any such allowance should come from the govt, and if they want to curtail the BBC's funding then do it through the front door, where the public can see what's going on, and not the back door. It was worded something like 'at the end of a certain period the BBC will become responsible for what to do with the over-75 free licence deal.' But basically, the govt had the BBC over a barrel.

I think the licence fee model will gradually disappear, it just depends whether the govt will allow it enough time to transition gradually as the TV market evolves.

Regarding BBC 'salaries to the stars', they generally won't be any more than ITV but of course the BBC's funding model means it's under great scrutiny. AFAIK, as contracts come up for renewal, they are generally renegotiated for less, but a lot of people are still complaining about Jonathan Ross and Gary Lineker, and they were years ago. Jonathan Ross buggered off to ITV (partly because of the Andrew Sachs fiasco) and you'll now see Lineker on other channels as well as the BBC, because his pay got cut and he needs to work around now. A bit rich in his case, that now he chooses to kick the BBC in the balls by questioning the licence fee which kept him in clover for so long.

There does need to be an open and public debate about the future and future funding of the BBC, but the public owns the BBC so it should have a good say in it. But a govt which doesn't particularly care for the BBC shouldn't be allowed to cut it to bits simply off its own bat.

If you want to know what a world without the BBC is like, look at the USA - endless mindless rubbish with endless commercial breaks. Oh and the bonus of no NHS plus the criminal Trump.

Offline king tarzan

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Offline cunningman

It is a public scandal that O.A.P.s should be forced to pay almost £200 a year just to OWN a TV, and it is a simple enough matter for the BBC (as with all the other paysites) to restrict viewing to its contributors.
Bin it, and use your PC?

I do think the BBC still has a role, personally.  A lot of the media has very obvious political stance, driven by the owners, editors, and readership in a vicious circle of feedback.  Same thing that allows fake news and closed mindsets on t'internet.

I used to work for a large media and financial information company (think: was a late US President entrant) and we got digest feeds from a lot of papers and sources that feed the papers (Press Association, that sort of thing).  Not the Times, though it doesn't have a great rep.

Best coverage for balance in my view?  The FT, and by some margin.  Go figure.

Offline cunningman

the first 5 minutes of the very first one was brilliant - nothing that followed was a tenth as good
I thought it guite funny in a schoolboy way until the end and then it was horrible - in a way that suggested really high quality program making.  Totally suckered and then punched.

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Legally you still need a licence to watch any live TV on any channel irrespective of the device. Also need a licence to watch BBC iplayer.
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Offline hillingdonpete


BBC news does not release reports until they have thoroughly verified the facts.

Rarely in my life have I seen such utter garbage written.

If the bbc said good morning to me I would check my watch.
 
I believe NOTHING the bbc says. They are habitual liars.

Offline tynetunnel

The BBC should be privatised and made to earn its keep, just like all the other broadcasters.  There is no longer any reason why it should be entitled to levy a tax on the mere possession of a TV set, regardless of what it is used for, for that is what the TV Licence is in reality.

It is a public scandal that O.A.P.s should be forced to pay almost £200 a year just to OWN a TV, and it is a simple enough matter for the BBC (as with all the other paysites) to restrict viewing to its contributors.

The problem is that we have a bloated giant of a monopoly which can waste enormous sums of money paying ridiculous salaries to employees and contractors who might otherwise have to work for a living, and all without having to account responsibly for the expenditure.

There is, for instance, no justification whatever in forcing an elderly person (or anyone else for that matter) who has absolutely no interest in football to contribute to the ridiculous sum of £2,000,000 a year paid to a retired footballer for merely introducing a 90 minute programme once a week, or, for that matter, the £500,000 to someone who reads the news once a day or who "presents" a half hour weekly `phone in programme.

Remove BBC`s monopoly and we should very quickly find out just what the public thinks it`s worth.

The licence fee is actually £154.50. Or 42p per day, per household. People forget, ITV isn’t in the television business, it’s in the advertising business. It’s sole purpose is to sell advertising space, which in turn makes money for shareholders.  So the programmes they show are populist, because the more eyeballs on the screen, the more they can change for the advertising slot. ITV is really not interested in quality, simply bums on seats, and without the licence fee it’ll be a race to the bottom. Like in the US, as has already been suggested.


I’m intrigued to know how this “simple enough matter” can be achieved Happylad :unknown:

Offline King Nuts

If you want to know what a world without the BBC is like, look at the USA - endless mindless rubbish with endless commercial breaks. Oh and the bonus of no NHS plus the criminal Trump.

On the other hand, there is a massive investment and spend in high quality TV drama. I speak of 'Game of Thrones', 'Homeland', 'The Americans', 'Mad Men' and the like.

No UK broadcaster, producer or streamer has the balls or the money to come up with anything close.

Cable TV and the streamers have streaked away from network programming.


Offline King Nuts

Rarely in my life have I seen such utter garbage written.

If the bbc said good morning to me I would check my watch.
 
I believe NOTHING the bbc says. They are habitual liars.

Agreed. Worse still, you have to remember that news rooms are bombarded with PR guff morning noon and night, and very few journalists are smart enough or have enough time to bother to deconstruct or interpret the 'stories' they are being told.

So they're mostly just repeating someone else's spin.


Offline winkywanky

Rarely in my life have I seen such utter garbage written.

If the bbc said good morning to me I would check my watch.
 
I believe NOTHING the bbc says. They are habitual liars.


Which obviously, you can think of many examples of...

Offline winkywanky

On the other hand, there is a massive investment and spend in high quality TV drama. I speak of 'Game of Thrones', 'Homeland', 'The Americans', 'Mad Men' and the like.

No UK broadcaster, producer or streamer has the balls or the money to come up with anything close.

Cable TV and the streamers have streaked away from network programming.


KN, good to see you back!  :thumbsup:

It's very, very difficult for anything produced in the UK (or any other English-speaking nation) to gain the kind of traction US-made TV has (including Prime and Netflix). They have such an enormous home market that they get a great headstart. That's why they can spend so much money and come up with so much good stuff.

Smaller broadcasters have to concentrate on more niche stuff (yet still be saleable around the world) or to get together to do co-productions.

In reality the same as so much else, it's very difficult for smaller nations to compete with the US for the same reason as above...their home market is a springboard. Hence Apple, Microsoft etc.

Offline winkywanky

Despite what any of us think about the BBC, I feel sure everyone here would support a proper public consultation about the BBC's future, even if the result goes against our own personal wishes.

Everyone's in agreement with that, aren't they?  :lol:

Offline King Nuts


KN, good to see you back!  :thumbsup:



Thank you. Nice to see so many of the brethren still here, yourself included.

Offline hillingdonpete

It is good to have to back KN  :drinks: