How much do Escorts actually earn

[GingerNuts]

All in all, I suspect an fbsm shop run properly could be a lucrative option.

I've been told, by a reliable source, Chinese masseuses can make £8-£10k/month.

The owner, who had two shops, was making £1k a day.

[Beamer]

I've been told, by a reliable source, Chinese masseuses can make £8-£10k/month.

The owner, who had two shops, was making £1k a day.

That's a decent salary.
£100k + a year and most still insist on keeping with the bush.

[django0700]

Fuck all.... looking at your number of reviews

 

[Beamer]

Bit late with a response? 

[django0700]

Bit late with a response? 

Yeah  had some deadlines at work so unable to log in...but this response had me in giggles, so felt obliged to respond..

[yorkshirepunter3333]

A wg who worked via an agency told me she made about 100k per year.

I didn't ask, she just felt the need to talk about it.

[django0700]

A wg who worked via an agency told me she made about 100k per year.

I didn't ask, she just felt the need to talk about it.

A rare one ..most usually try and whine about how little they earn...hoping some fluffy snowflake will hand over some more dosh...

[RandomGuy99]

I've been told, by a reliable source, Chinese masseuses can make £8-£10k/month.

The owner, who had two shops, was making £1k a day.

I find that very hard to believe.  They might have been taking £1K a day but after costs it would be less.

How does the self employed bit work? 

The shop takes the initial upfront fee and the girl takes all of any extras she makes?

If that's the case the girl I saw recently must have been pissed off as I didn't find her attractive so asked for no extras and just had a massage with oil to help my back. She made zero from 1 hr of working?

[GingerNuts]

I find that very hard to believe.  They might have been taking £1K a day but after costs it would be less.

She may have said making or taking but I doubt there's a significant difference.

Cheap shop rents and likely below the threshold to pay any business rates.

How does the self employed bit work? 

The shop takes the initial upfront fee and the girl takes all of any extras she makes?

In this case the shop takes around two thirds of the massage fee. The girl keeps the other third and any extras.

Technically self employed but the girls are here on visitor visas so not declaring any income.

If that's the case the girl I saw recently must have been pissed off as I didn't find her attractive so asked for no extras and just had a massage with oil to help my back. She made zero from 1 hr of working?

She probably made a few quid from the massage fee but the extras are really what she would have wanted.

[winkywanky]

Apropos of nothing in particular, several posts have mentioned SPs paying tax and having to declare VAT if they earn more than £85K a year. Does anyone else recall one of John Mortimer's Rumpole of the Bailey stories where he had to represent someone suing the Inland Revenue (as it was then) for living on the immoral earnings of a WG who paid tax on her earnings?

I don't, but what a great and thought-provoking storyline!

In actual fact, the case should have been brought against the govt, HMRC merely collect revenues on their behalf.

And why are those earnings only immoral when a 3rd party profits from them, surely they're immoral at source?

[Strawberry]

I don't, but what a great and thought-provoking storyline!

In actual fact, the case should have been brought against the govt, HMRC merely collect revenues on their behalf.

And why are those earnings only immoral when a 3rd party profits from them, surely they're immoral at source?

As I understand current law there has to be an element of control over the prostitution for there to be an offence commited ie organising bookings, or forcing/coercing the person to work. Living off immoral earnings as such ceased to be an offence roughly 20 years ago.

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[daviemac]

As I understand current law there has to be an element of control over the prostitution for there to be an offence commited ie organising bookings, or forcing/coercing the person to work. Living off immoral earnings as such ceased to be an offence roughly 20 years ago.

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The nearest offence now is - Controlling Prostitution for Gain, after that it's - Exploitation of Prostitution  Causing or Inciting Prostitution for Gain. the tax man can collect all he wants.

[RandomGuy99]

She may have said making or taking but I doubt there's a significant difference.

Cheap shop rents and likely below the threshold to pay any business rates.

In this case the shop takes around two thirds of the massage fee. The girl keeps the other third and any extras.

Technically self employed but the girls are here on visitor visas so not declaring any income.

She probably made a few quid from the massage fee but the extras are really what she would have wanted.

She made no effort to ask for extras or trigger a conversation about them.  I'm either way too ugly or she quickly figured out I had no interest in her.

The owner had spent a fair amount of cash fitting out the shop and the tables were very good.  The owner has two shops and told me his main one is now too busy, so he opened another shop.  He just needs to get some younger girls in and he'll be laughing.

[dubhcarr]

A wg who worked via an agency told me she made about 100k per year.

I didn't ask, she just felt the need to talk about it.

as opposed to tescos min wage 34 hpw circa £12-14K......can see why shes happy.....

[winkywanky]

As I understand current law there has to be an element of control over the prostitution for there to be an offence commited ie organising bookings, or forcing/coercing the person to work. Living off immoral earnings as such ceased to be an offence roughly 20 years ago.

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Ah, thanks for the clarification Strawberry, of course Rumpole of the Bailey was on telly well over 20yrs ago, perhaps the new legislation was brought in as a result of the show!

[Strawberry]

Ah, thanks for the clarification Strawberry, of course Rumpole of the Bailey was on telly well over 20yrs ago, perhaps the new legislation was brought in as a result of the show!

The change could also have been brought about to allow prostitutes to legally bring money into the family household, possibly something in the realm of "Right to family life"? I have had punters ask about this when discussing legalities, under the guise of "Of course if I was your partner I would then commit the crime of living off........." or "If you had a partner they would then be 'living off.....'".

So the old 'Living off....' is definitely still roaming around, then again quite a few people in the sex industry do believe paying for sex is illegal. It is only in certain situations.

[Rochelle]

as opposed to tescos min wage 34 hpw circa £12-14K......can see why shes happy.....

Minimum wage still wouldn't equate to £14000 per year. It's more than that.

[Doc Holliday]

Ah, thanks for the clarification Strawberry, of course Rumpole of the Bailey was on telly well over 20yrs ago, perhaps the new legislation was brought in as a result of the show!

Don't recall the show but it may have been inspired by the real life cases of IRC v Aken (1987-1990) which set the precedent regarding tax and prostitution in that it defined prostitution as a trade and therefore taxable despite it being 'immoral'

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[winkywanky]

The change could also have been brought about to allow prostitutes to legally bring money into the family household, possibly something in the realm of "Right to family life"? I have had punters ask about this when discussing legalities, under the guise of "Of course if I was your partner I would then commit the crime of living off........." or "If you had a partner they would then be 'living off.....'".

So the old 'Living off....' is definitely still roaming around, then again quite a few people in the sex industry do believe paying for sex is illegal. It is only in certain situations.

I was being slightly facetious in my Rumpole remark, but of course good drama scriptwriters do engage in 'issues of the day' to highlight legitimate social concerns, and also well-regarded drama doesn't go unwatched or unnoticed by politicians. Infact even comedy too, Yes Minister and latterly Yes Prime Minister were popular viewing for the high-ups in the govt of the day, especially for a certain Margaret Thatcher.

I think perhaps it's that many punters are mid-40s and older, and I'd be interested to know the age of your clients who say such things to you?

[winkywanky]

Don't recall the show but it may have been inspired by the real life cases of IRC v Aken (1987-1990) which set the precedent regarding tax and prostitution in that it defined prostitution as a trade and therefore taxable despite it being 'immoral'

I linked to this fairly recently in another thread re immoral contracts External Link/Members Only which in turn links to 'the whiplash' cases

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Yes, apropos my comment above, I think there was quite a cross-over between Rumpole and real and relevant goings-on in actual court cases. Of course, the scriptwriter would have to be mindful of being too close to a real case. Infact, the guy that wrote the series - Mortimer - was actually a lawyer I think?

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I remember reading about Miss Whiplash too, she seemed to be in the Sunday Wank (News of the World) every weekend. There always seemed to be great speculation over whether she actually had sex, and of course, our intrepid reporter always made his excuses and left before any actual sexual congress took place. Like fuck did he, and it went on his expenses account too  .

[mh]

Minimum wage still wouldn't equate to £14000 per year. It's more than that.

Well the current highest rate for NMW is £8.21 x 34 hours x 48 weeks = £13,400. If paid for all 52 weeks then £14,500. I'm not sure if 34 hours is standard, but that was the example given. So what did you think minimum wage would give you for 34 hours per week?
 

[Rochelle]

Well the current highest rate for NMW is £8.21 x 34 hours x 48 weeks = £13,400. If paid for all 52 weeks then £14,500. I'm not sure if 34 hours is standard, but that was the example given. So what did you think minimum wage would give you for 34 hours per week?
 

You've just answered your own question. It's more than £14,000.
If you use the standard working week of 40 hours x 52 weeks (not sure why you used 48) then it's just over £17,000.

[RedKettle]

You've just answered your own question. It's more than £14,000.
If you use the standard working week of 40 hours x 52 weeks (not sure why you used 48) then it's just over £17,000.

the example was 34 hours in the post not 40.  He will have used 48 assuming 4 weeks off for holidays, sick (which may be paid) etc.  Could be more depending on whether employer is open bank holidays etc.  That is of course gross before any tax, NI or pension deductions.

[Rochelle]

the example was 34 hours in the post not 40.  He will have used 48 assuming 4 weeks off for holidays, sick (which may be paid) etc.  Could be more depending on whether employer is open bank holidays etc.  That is of course gross before any tax, NI or pension deductions.

I know it's gross, and even at 34 hours, which aren't standard full-time hours, it's still more than the £12,000 to £14,000 that was mentioned.
Then again, I was looking at it from the perspective of someone that's at least 25. Also, why would you deduct 4 weeks for holidays? Holidays are paid.

[RedKettle]

I know it's gross, and even at 34 hours, which aren't standard full-time hours, it's still more than the £12,000 to £14,000 that was mentioned.
Then again, I was looking at it from the perspective of someone that's at least 25. Also, why would you deduct 4 weeks for holidays? Holidays are paid.

I think the post you were replying to was talking about a specific example of Tescos and I assume their standard week of 34 hours - so I was only making the point it is not logical to then use a different number of hours to claim they are wrong.  I have not done the calculations myself but for a standard contract on NLW around £15k is usually quoted - so reducing the hours and getting £12 to £14k may well be right.

You are right on the holiday point - assuming it is one employer rather than bobbing around various jobs then yes holidays paid. I am not sure how holiday pay interacts with NLW and frankly not that bothered!!

[Rochelle]

I think the post you were replying to was talking about a specific example of Tescos and I assume their standard week of 34 hours - so I was only making the point it is not logical to then use a different number of hours to claim they are wrong.  I have not done the calculations myself but for a standard contract on NLW around £15k is usually quoted - so reducing the hours and getting £12 to £14k may well be right.

You are right on the holiday point - assuming it is one employer rather than bobbing around various jobs then yes holidays paid. I am not sure how holiday pay interacts with NLW and frankly not that bothered!!

I think you've misread my post. I wasn't using a different number of hours to claim they are wrong. I made two statements. Maybe I should have separated them.

£8.21 at 34 hours per week is still higher than £12,000 to £14000 a year. That's all I was saying.

[dubhcarr]

You've just answered your own question. It's more than £14,000.
If you use the standard working week of 40 hours x 52 weeks (not sure why you used 48) then it's just over £17,000.

try getting 40 hrs pw contract thesedays........more like 16 hrs pw or even more like zero hours........a lot of sps have lost touch with reality   

[boardyhell]

is it linked to how many times they open their legs

[nightbot]

I don't think it's realistic to expect 3-4 bookings a day 5 days a week for 11 months. No doubt there'd be some WGs who would work that much but your average WG most likely has far less booking than that per week over the year.
Most WG I know actually work either 2-3 days a week and take a couple of bookings each day or work 4-5 days a week and take 2 bookings or so each day. I'd imagine a more realistic number for your average WG is like 5-7 bookings a week or something around that mark...sometimes more sometimes less due to the variable nature of the job. SO calculate what you will out of that (minus the cost of hotels and eating out rather than cooking). Some would make a bit more than that but those would most definitely be earning more than the average, and the ones who make significantly more than that being in the tiny minority of high earners in the industry.

Basically unless you are at the top of the food chain with fantastic advertising (which is basically work in itself and takes a lot of effort), clientele, and work quite a bit....you are going to be comfortably in the middle class/upper middle class range. Which is enough for most, as eventhough you are "middle class" you get to be there while working fewer hours than a "regular" job, thereby allowing you more free time to focus on personal life. Which is a massive advantage.

[Rochelle]

try getting 40 hrs pw contract thesedays........more like 16 hrs pw or even more like zero hours........a lot of sps have lost touch with reality   

So quick to assume. I do have a 40-hour contract.

[Ashleydowns_milf]

Do the maths.

£140 per hour
Average 8 hour working day
5 day working week
4 weeks holiday so 48 weeks a year....£268k a year.

Pretty sure that's about right for them all 

All of the escorts I know in the age bracket 30-40 have children and struggle to put in these kind of hours. We have many half terms and summer holidays where we have to stay at home. Unless you have a solid childcare set up. It’s no where near these hours and profits.
On the flip side you can still earn a full time salary on part time hours.

[James]

All of the escorts I know in the age bracket 30-40 have children and struggle to put in these kind of hours. We have many half terms and summer holidays where we have to stay at home. Unless you have a solid childcare set up. It’s no where near these hours and profits.
On the flip side you can still earn a full time salary on part time hours.

tax free depending on if they show the tax man.

if they are not claiming benefits and depositing money, then likely not to be caught. DWP wont investigate as theirs no benefit fraud. and im sure they must deposit in a bank account that isnt regulated. they then can put a bit in a genuine bank account monthly.

The fact is they earn too much and we men give it to them. probably on more then doctors

 

[Rochelle]

tax free depending on if they show the tax man.

if they are not claiming benefits and depositing money, then likely not to be caught. DWP wont investigate as theirs no benefit fraud. and im sure they must deposit in a bank account that isnt regulated. they then can put a bit in a genuine bank account monthly.

The fact is they earn too much and we men give it to them. probably on more then doctors

You're in fantasy land. I'm sure some make a lot, but there are many that don't.

[RandomGuy99]

They're not working a solid 8 hrs a day or 6 days a week.  They have bookings and then have time in between to recover (wash, rest, prepare for the next booking, do normal stuff like the rest of us) and you probably want them stack up back to back at an incall location as they'll draw attention from neighbours, etc.  Space them out a bit, so maybe a max of 3 or 4 bookings a day.

[RedKettle]

tax free depending on if they show the tax man.

if they are not claiming benefits and depositing money, then likely not to be caught. DWP wont investigate as theirs no benefit fraud. and im sure they must deposit in a bank account that isnt regulated. they then can put a bit in a genuine bank account monthly.

The fact is they earn too much and we men give it to them. probably on more then doctors

Where do you think they find "a bank account that isn't regulated"? 

[Strawberry]

They're not working a solid 8 hrs a day or 6 days a week.  They have bookings and then have time in between to recover (wash, rest, prepare for the next booking, do normal stuff like the rest of us) and you probably want them stack up back to back at an incall location as they'll draw attention from neighbours, etc.  Space them out a bit, so maybe a max of 3 or 4 bookings a day.

And some bookings don't turn up or go ahead for a variety of reasons.

[RedKettle]

You're in fantasy land. I'm sure some make a lot, but there are many that don't.

Having been doing this for many years I agree with you - although I am going on my impression of things rather than actually knowing what they all earn.  You can see a few who are very switched on and motivated to earn.  They are running a business and act as such - typically they will retire at a time of their own choosing.  I suspect they are earning big money.

They are few and far between.   Some are simply seeing a few clients to earn extra cash - over the years I have found myself gravitating to this category, no deliberate strategy but when I look back that is what has happened.

The rest cover a wide range, as in most walks of life, and I think many are sitting around with no clients for long periods of time.  I suspect the average earnings are modest.

I am not talking about parlours - no experience of them.

At the end of the day it is supply and demand.  Whilst we individually might moan about paying say £140 or more per hour there are clearly many out there that do, otherwise prices would come down.

[RandomGuy99]

And some bookings don't turn up or go ahead for a variety of reasons.

And I meant to say you don't want to stack them up.

[RandomGuy99]

Where do you think they find "a bank account that isn't regulated"?

Well you can stash £20K a year tax free in an ISA.  Interest rates will eventually recover in another 5 or 10 years.

[RedKettle]

Well you can stash £20K a year tax free in an ISA.  Interest rates will eventually recover in another 5 or 10 years.

That is still regulated and subject to be reported to HMRC etc by the bank or building society.

[Rochelle]

Having been doing this for many years I agree with you - although I am going on my impression of things rather than actually knowing what they all earn.  You can see a few who are very switched on and motivated to earn.  They are running a business and act as such - typically they will retire at a time of their own choosing.  I suspect they are earning big money.

They are few and far between.   Some are simply seeing a few clients to earn extra cash - over the years I have found myself gravitating to this category, no deliberate strategy but when I look back that is what has happened.

The rest cover a wide range, as in most walks of life, and I think many are sitting around with no clients for long periods of time.  I suspect the average earnings are modest.

I am not talking about parlours - no experience of them.

At the end of the day it is supply and demand.  Whilst we individually might moan about paying say £140 or more per hour there are clearly many out there that do, otherwise prices would come down.

For me, it was quite stressful when times were really quiet and I'm glad I have a main job.

[finn5555]

For me, it was quite stressful when times were really quiet and I'm glad I have a main job.

The best escorts, in my opinion, are the part time ones 

[winkywanky]

Agreed, a better chance of them being as horny as we are  .

[aronteo]

I don't think it's realistic to expect 3-4 bookings a day 5 days a week for 11 months. No doubt there'd be some WGs who would work that much but your average WG most likely has far less booking than that per week over the year.
Most WG I know actually work either 2-3 days a week and take a couple of bookings each day or work 4-5 days a week and take 2 bookings or so each day. I'd imagine a more realistic number for your average WG is like 5-7 bookings a week or something around that mark...sometimes more sometimes less due to the variable nature of the job. SO calculate what you will out of that (minus the cost of hotels and eating out rather than cooking). Some would make a bit more than that but those would most definitely be earning more than the average, and the ones who make significantly more than that being in the tiny minority of high earners in the industry.

Basically unless you are at the top of the food chain with fantastic advertising (which is basically work in itself and takes a lot of effort), clientele, and work quite a bit....you are going to be comfortably in the middle class/upper middle class range. Which is enough for most, as eventhough you are "middle class" you get to be there while working fewer hours than a "regular" job, thereby allowing you more free time to focus on personal life. Which is a massive advantage.

Both you and RandomGuy got that right: it is not realistic to calculate a WG income on the basis of a 8 hours a day/ 5 days a week paradigm. It does not work like that -  ok, there might be some WGs out there who perhaps work with that intensity for a short period of time......, but Jesus, having 8 bookings a day 5 days a week would kill a horse......

[daviemac]

Every escort works to the same formula. A (rates charged) multiplied by B (hours they want to work), minus C (the number of hours they don't actually get to work) = gross income.

The trouble is there's so much variation in those three it's impossible to generalise on earnings. Only the individual escorts know the answer to A, B and C for sure.

One escort I've seen was only available one day a week for a period of 2 hours and she was outcall. That meant even for her the earning potential varied from week to week between 1 hour, 1 1/2 hours or 2 hour bookings.  If she had a 1 hour booking that would be all she could fit in during the time available.   

[randyrobert]

How much escorts earn, how many escorts there are and how many punters there are are perennial  topics on this forum. (so what do escorts earn was a thread over two years ago How much prostitutes earn revealed in the largest study of its kind into the UK’s sex workers https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=180989.msg1906770#msg1906770  ) and I posted at length an answer here (https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=180989.msg1929211#msg1929211) but in summary it’s as long as a piece of string.

The basic mistake made is to assume there is anything like a “typical sex worker” and that she sees x clients a week for y weeks in the year-all prozzies operate differently, some want to maximise earnings others to work a little and enjoy the flexibility and use time to look after kids or pursue other interests. So while some earn a lot many are content with a good middle class income-especially considered the hours worked.