Convicted for paying for sex

[anotherwoody69]

So while the rest of the UK deals with more important issues (take your pick, London crime, stabbings, gangs, mussies on the rampage, brexit  ) the judiciary over in NI want to keep the cells full.

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Still, I guess now all the convicted bombers are out they have the space 

[CatBBW]

According to the article, he didn't even pay for any sex, he waved cash at a cleaner and made a sexual gesture with his hand, and then returned later to do the same thing which was when the cleaner called the police. So he was convicted of OFFERING to pay for sexual activity, which most of us would probably say falls under a sexual harrassment law.

EDIT: article states he was convicted of a "crime against 'vulnerable woman' "

[trainspotter]

His behaviour shows him to have been guilty of being a total arse. It's not that it was a normal punting situation.

[LLPunting]

Typical bullshit headline click bait from a piece of shit tattle rag.

As clarified at start of "article" he offered money for sex to a woman not open to such unwelcome attention, this is soliciting and sexual harassment.

The idiot will hopefully enjoy being bent over for the 3 months others are inside him.  Perhaps he'll be done for soliciting around the gay cruising hangouts once he's out.

[nbarnes]

Typical bullshit headline click bait from a piece of shit tattle rag.

As clarified at start of "article" he offered money for sex to a woman not open to such unwelcome attention, this is soliciting and sexual harassment.

The idiot will hopefully enjoy being bent over for the 3 months others are inside him.  Perhaps he'll be done for soliciting around the gay cruising hangouts once he's out.

I don't agree with his twattery - but you don't think 3 months is excessive? and having your name dragged through the mud?

Also - you're making jokes about him being ass raped in prison - don't you think that's just ever so slightly harsh?
Bearing in mind, you can kick someone half to death in the UK and escape jail?

EDIT : This is also the mental shit that will start to happen if (probably more when) the ignorant filth beta males that run this country and their feminazi fucktard friends manage to ban punting - the only advantage to having a conservative government is that hopefully they are all bang at it and probably don't want it to change!

[winkywanky]

The guy's an imbecile, doing what he did would be not only humiliating for the woman, but she might well also find it very intimidating. So yes, he definitely sexually harrassed her, and he did it twice, so he deserves to be prosecuted.

But apparently the law in NI is different from the rest of the UK, paying for sex is illegal there, and apparently, so is trying to pay for sex?

I'm wondering whether this has come about because of pressure from the Catholics, or whether everyone in NI is thick enough to think that outlawing prostitution is a good thing?

I never cease to be amazed at some of the absolute crap that comes out of NI, a lot of it because actually good politicians have little chance of being elected into public office. Any old shit will do because it seems like most people just vote down sectarian lines, rather than for someone who actually might be any good  . (It's fucking up Brexit too of course, but let's not go there  ).

I apologise if anyone here is from NI and that offends them (and I realise this crock of shit has come about largely because of British Colonialism from centuries ago) but Jesus O'Christ, what a load of old bollocks.

[S.X. MacHine]

Winkywanky, its not just the Catholic bigots to blame. The other lot of God bothering bible thumpers are every bit as bad, from what I've heard.
The only two convictions under the prostitution laws in NI have been because the would be punters acted like arse holes, bothering ordinary women. The reassuring conclusion is that the Northern Irish Police Service isn't interested in prosecuting genuine punters who do what they do discretely, behind closed doors with consenting sex workers.
At least the cops are showing some sense. So far.

[winkywanky]

That's good to hear SXM 

[nbarnes]

The guy's an imbecile, doing what he did would be not only humiliating for the woman, but she might well also find it very intimidating. So yes, he definitely sexually harrassed her, and he did it twice, so he deserves to be prosecuted.

I don't disagree that he's a fucking douchebag of the highest magnitude, but if he'd punched her in the face he probably would have escaped jail.
This fucktard will now probably lose his job and the chance of ever getting anything above minimum wage ever again.

Do you see how that's not comparable to being a complete wanker to a woman for a couple of minutes?

Feels like a judge trying out a new law in the way you'd test drive a new fucking car.

[Bigwilts]

Winkywanky, its not just the Catholic bigots to blame. The other lot of God bothering bible thumpers are every bit as bad, from what I've heard.
.....

Ireland is finally united in a shared bigotry

[Third Man]

PSNI are fairly sensible about the new law, however the politicians are all mad. Its all about god, either a green god or a blue god, but a god none the less.

[winkywanky]

I don't disagree that he's a fucking douchebag of the highest magnitude, but if he'd punched her in the face he probably would have escaped jail.
This fucktard will now probably lose his job and the chance of ever getting anything above minimum wage ever again.

Do you see how that's not comparable to being a complete wanker to a woman for a couple of minutes?

Feels like a judge trying out a new law in the way you'd test drive a new fucking car.

He deserved to be prosecuted IMO. A sentence of jail time was probably harsh, but prosecution nevertheless.

[winkywanky]

Ireland is finally united in a shared bigotry

That's reassuring  .

[User176]

This fucktard will now probably lose his job and the chance of ever getting anything above minimum wage ever again.

This fucktard went back a second time. It doesn't sound like he has the intellectual wherewithal to earn significantly more than minimum wage.

[TailSeeker]

The guy's an imbecile, doing what he did would be not only humiliating for the woman, but she might well also find it very intimidating. So yes, he definitely sexually harrassed her, and he did it twice, so he deserves to be prosecuted.

But apparently the law in NI is different from the rest of the UK, paying for sex is illegal there, and apparently, so is trying to pay for sex?

I'm wondering whether this has come about because of pressure from the Catholics, or whether everyone in NI is thick enough to think that outlawing prostitution is a good thing?

I never cease to be amazed at some of the absolute crap that comes out of NI, a lot of it because actually good politicians have little chance of being elected into public office. Any old shit will do because it seems like most people just vote down sectarian lines, rather than for someone who actually might be any good  . (It's fucking up Brexit too of course, but let's not go there  ).

I apologise if anyone here is from NI and that offends them (and I realise this crock of shit has come about largely because of British Colonialism from centuries ago) but Jesus O'Christ, what a load of old bollocks.

I wouldn't say it's the Catholics, NI is more protestant. In Ireland proper escorting is legal, I do believe the have the same laws we do.

NI is surprisingly more restrictive than the republic. Go figure.

Other than that, I agree that the guy has well deserved prosecution, doubtless though he'll be out in less time and be in a minimum security prison so will likely have an easy time.

[winkywanky]

I wouldn't say it's the Catholics, NI is more protestant. In Ireland proper escorting is legal, I do believe the have the same laws we do.

NI is surprisingly more restrictive than the republic. Go figure.

Other than that, I agree that the guy has well deserved prosecution, doubtless though he'll be out in less time and be in a minimum security prison so will likely have an easy time.

Yes, I realise that, but since the Good Friday Agreement the Catholics have had more say in what goes on (and if it keeps the peace, so be it).

Hadn't realised that the Unionists could be even more up tight than the confessors though, I find that quite amusing!

[TailSeeker]

Yes, I realise that, but since the Good Friday Agreement the Catholics have had more say in what goes on (and if it keeps the peace, so be it).

Hadn't realised that the Unionists could be even more up tight than the confessors though, I find that quite amusing!

I didn't know that about the Good Friday agreement, quite surprising, learn something new every day.

[LLPunting]

I don't agree with his twattery - but you don't think 3 months is excessive? and having your name dragged through the mud?

Also - you're making jokes about him being ass raped in prison - don't you think that's just ever so slightly harsh?
Bearing in mind, you can kick someone half to death in the UK and escape jail?

EDIT : This is also the mental shit that will start to happen if (probably more when) the ignorant filth beta males that run this country and their feminazi fucktard friends manage to ban punting - the only advantage to having a conservative government is that hopefully they are all bang at it and probably don't want it to change!

Anything less than conviction and mandated limitation of personal freedom would probably have ZERO effect on his future behaviour to other women so he deserves something that will impact him significantly to make him reconsider.  If you're one to believe that some time banged up and possibly being bothered (a lot) would be too deleterious to his future behaviour and prospects then how about chemical castration for say 6 months and probation for 12 months?
His behaviour is attitudinal and requires rectification to avoid repeat (or worse) so one way or another this oaf needs to be changed permanently.

[Bogof60]

Convicted for being a knob more.like.

[S.X. MacHine]

Yes, I realise that, but since the Good Friday Agreement the Catholics have had more say in what goes on (and if it keeps the peace, so be it).

Hadn't realised that the Unionists could be even more up tight than the confessors though, I find that quite amusing!

The total cunt who introduced the privare members bill to the Northern Irish Assembly making prostitution illegal, was Lord Morrow; a Unionist, ergo, a Protestant. Personally, I don't care whether they worship the orange sky fairie or the green sky fairie, these religious bigots who want us to live by their rules are just cunts. End of.
On a positive note, Lord Morrow lost his seat at the 2017 election.

[winkywanky]

When you say he lost his 'seat', was that to a good pounding from a tranny? 

[NicoleNibbles]

I don't blame her for contacting the police. Who would like to be harassed like this when trying to earn a living?
Even if she was a SW she was going about her daily life. I cannot speak for the rest of the wg's but I would be extremely pissed off to be approached in this way.

[Itsnotshy]

I wouldn't say it's the Catholics, NI is more protestant. In Ireland proper escorting is legal, I do believe the have the same laws we do.

NI is surprisingly more restrictive than the republic. Go figure.

Other than that, I agree that the guy has well deserved prosecution, doubtless though he'll be out in less time and be in a minimum security prison so will likely have an easy time.

It's illegal to pay for sexual services south of the border too. They have a version of the Swedish law where it's legal to sell sex but illegal to buy.

[TailSeeker]

It's illegal to pay for sexual services south of the border too. They have a version of the Swedish law where it's legal to sell sex but illegal to buy.

Just googled to check, and you're right, they brought that in in 2017, cut street work, but not otherwise effected escorting at all. As the saying goes "prove they were paying for that."

[magnetico]

Just googled to check, and you're right, they brought that in in 2017, cut street work, but not otherwise effected escorting at all. As the saying goes "prove they were paying for that."

Pretty easy to create sting operations like in the USA

[Third Man]

They are so fukn thick in Sweden, PSNI had to sort out some trafficking shit not so long ago, as the swedes, as in vegetables, were out doing sting operations to catch randomers 'paying for sex'

[TailSeeker]

Pretty easy to create sting operations like in the USA

By the look of the google it's not uping people being charged, just changing the working options.

Still far from the US where they actively pretend to be escorts/punters and entrap people. Because law officials there clearly have too much time on their hands.

[User176]

By the look of the google it's not uping people being charged, just changing the working options.

Still far from the US where they actively pretend to be escorts/punters and entrap people. Because law officials there clearly have too much time on their hands.

I moved to London from NYC half a year ago and couldn't be happier.

Yep, typical American pigs. Stand around doing nothing when there's a crazed gunman shooting up a school, but god forbid an adult pays another for a shag.

[TailSeeker]

I moved to London from NYC half a year ago and couldn't be happier.

Yep, typical American pigs. Stand around doing nothing when there's a crazed gunman shooting up a school, but god forbid an adult pays another for a shag.

America is weird. I mean not that long ago Texas had a law on the books saying you couldn't own more than 6 "obscene devices/articles" - meaning sex toys. 
 
Not surprisingly the States that are most restrictive and religious have some of the highest porn consumption and sex toys purchases (Utah I'm looking at you). The USA is a land of contradictions and repression. Probably because they were founded by people who thought 1700's British religious values were too permissive.

[S.X. MacHine]

Just googled to check, and you're right, they brought that in in 2017, cut street work, but not otherwise effected escorting at all. As the saying goes "prove they were paying for that."

Indeed, a good point.
The Scottish feminazis want whoring made illegal here too. I console myself with the thought that, under Scots law, there needs to be corroborating evidence of a crime. Unless the escort gave evidence against the punter (highly unlikely) how could the cops prove it? This is probably the reason that the cops in Northern Ireland are leaving punters alone, in general.

[User176]

America is weird. I mean not that long ago Texas had a law on the books saying you couldn't own more than 6 "obscene devices/articles" - meaning sex toys. 
 
Not surprisingly the States that are most restrictive and religious have some of the highest porn consumption and sex toys purchases (Utah I'm looking at you). The USA is a land of contradictions and repression. Probably because they were founded by people who thought 1700's British religious values were too permissive.

 

Texas, lol. They had a law against sodomy on the books as recently as 2003, and even then, when it was struck down by the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas, 3 of the 9 justices argued to preserve it.

I really don't understand why, even in supposedly liberal democracies, there exist significant groups of religious zealots who believe that their personal convictions give them license to impose their judgments on the entire citizenry.

[TailSeeker]

Texas, lol. They had a law against sodomy on the books as recently as 2003, and even then, when it was struck down by the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas, 3 of the 9 justices argued to preserve it.

I really don't understand why, even in supposedly liberal democracies, there exist significant groups of religious zealots who believe that their personal convictions give them license to impose their judgments on the entire citizenry.

"Do as I say, not as I do." It's insanity.

Certain laws are definitely needed (child or pseudo realistic child porn comes to mind), or snuff and similar. But otherwise, if it's consensual, all are legal, and no one is being hurt, courts should butt out.

Fuck, Australia brought in a law mandating the blurring of vulva in porn, and it's led to an uptick in vaginoplasty to mimic that smoothed blurred look.

Censorship of normal, unharmful human sexuality only has drawbacks. Plenty of studies have shown legalisation of prostitution leads to a drop in rape and in violence against women. Which is why I hate women who argue against it. Legalisation means protective laws, legal avenues for protection, and drops exploitation (all studies used to suggest otherwise don't differentiate between sex workers and farm hands, cleaners, builders, etc).

[LLPunting]

Texas, lol. They had a law against sodomy on the books as recently as 2003, and even then, when it was struck down by the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas, 3 of the 9 justices argued to preserve it.

I really don't understand why, even in supposedly liberal democracies, there exist significant groups of religious zealots who believe that their personal convictions give them license to impose their judgments on the entire citizenry.

IF only there were something...

Oh wait... Open Carry.  "Your Honour, could you check to see if my gun barrel is blocked?  Here, you look and I'll just pull the trigger to confirm it's not loaded."

[User176]

Which is why I hate women who argue against it.

Wouldn't that mean most women?

I study politics at a politically active uni so have the opportunity to discuss issues like this very often. When it comes to prostitution, I'm surprised at the number of conservatives who suddenly don't believe in laissez-faire economics, and the number of liberals who suddenly don't think that personal liberties ought to include the women's right to choose what she does with her body. I think, unfortunately, a lot of people aren't mature enough to detach their personal feelings from an otherwise logical or consequentialist evaluation of public policy (say, from a Rawlsian veil of ignorance).

Some women think prostitution ought to be outlawed because they think it is "icky" -- they themselves are uncomfortable with the idea of selling something that they give exclusive access to. Some men think prostitution ought to outlawed because they think it is "unfair" -- for someone to bypass the entire contrived ritual of dressing up and picking up a civvie up at a bar or a club. Neither group considers the fact that 1) no one is forcing them to punt and that 2) the ban wouldn't stop prostitution but instead worsen outcomes for both sex buyers and sellers as well as waste taxpayer money.

I hear a lot of misconceptions regarding this issue from my classmates/friends, and in the midst of a heated discussion it is tempting for me to tell them what I know -- but I can't, obviously, so I have to play along and pretend that I'm just as clueless as they are. In their minds, every punter is a balding middle-aged white man, and every prossie is either a crack addict in a Soho walk-up or a Russian dominatrix in a South Kensington apartment.

 

[TailSeeker]

Wouldn't that mean most women?

I study politics at a politically active uni so have the opportunity to discuss issues like this very often. When it comes to prostitution, I'm surprised at the number of conservatives who suddenly don't believe in laissez-faire economics, and the number of liberals who suddenly don't think that personal liberties ought to include the women's right to choose what she does with her body. I think, unfortunately, a lot of people aren't mature enough to detach their personal feelings from an otherwise logical or consequentialist evaluation of public policy (say, from a Rawlsian veil of ignorance).

Some women think prostitution ought to be outlawed because they think it is "icky" -- they themselves are uncomfortable with the idea of selling something that they give exclusive access to. Some men think prostitution ought to outlawed because they think it is "unfair" -- for someone to bypass the entire contrived ritual of dressing up and picking up a civvie up at a bar or a club. Neither group considers the fact that 1) no one is forcing them to punt and that 2) the ban wouldn't stop prostitution but instead worsen outcomes for both sex buyers and sellers as well as waste taxpayer money.

I hear a lot of misconceptions regarding this issue from my classmates/friends, and in the midst of a heated discussion it is tempting for me to tell them what I know -- but I can't, obviously, so I have to play along and pretend that I'm just as clueless as they are. In their minds, every punter is a balding middle-aged white man, and every prossie is either a crack addict in a Soho walk-up or a Russian dominatrix in a South Kensington apartment.

I can only speak for my own experience, I've taught and mentored science students for nearly a decade, as well as being one, and in the biomedical field there's generally a lot more of a relaxed attitude about sex, and sex work. King's where I used to work did a study showing a fifth of their science students went into sex work in some form. As such it's pretty tolerated. It's always been an open secret what I do as a side job in science.

Different groups may very much vary, I can only speak to my personal experience in this instance. I've certainly dispelled this myths about the job in many of my friends eyes (as I'm very open about what I do). I will however admit I think it's easier to tackle the stigma on my side of things than on yours.