Say NO to the Nordic Model

[Charlotte-Rose]

Hi all,

My name is Charlotte Rose, originally from Exeter in Devon but have now moved to the big city 'London'

Some of you may of heard of me, good and bad, yet despite any impression you have of me I would like your support in spreading the word about the nordic model

If you don't know what it is, this model was brought into Sweden, Norway and Iceland and states that the selling of sex is legal yet the buying is illegal. This is outrageous to all sex workers and clients.

If this law passes it means that the buyer, or client would be the one at risk for breaking the law which would include fines and imprisonment - It would also mean the client would be at risk of violence and also robbery without any protection.
it also means the quality of client would drop for the sex worker and it would push the sex industry deep underground

I don't want this law to pass and the more people know about it the more we can do to stop it.

I will be adding a link to a petition to sign and help grow the voice against this ridiculous law.

Please help

Charlotte Rose

[jcdmj12]

How likely do you think this law actually is to come to pass?

[myothernameis]

How likely do you think this law actually is to come to pass?

If it became law, is there anyway around the law, like how do the police prove I have paid the escort for her time, and sex   

And don't think any of the guys will trust any new profile that pops up on AW

[Charlotte-Rose]

External Link/Members Only

This is the link to sign the petition to stop the nordic model for the uk

Charlie x

[Charlotte-Rose]

How likely do you think this law actually is to come to pass?

I don't think it will come to pass but in todays government you just don't know, the more people that sign up to petitions to voice their views against the law will certainly help but we can only become one voice in numbers

Charlie x

[Charlotte-Rose]

If it became law, is there anyway around the law, like how do the police prove I have paid the escort for her time, and sex   

And don't think any of the guys will trust any new profile that pops up on AW

I total understand what your saying about new profiles but the police can not use entrapment as thats against human rights laws.

It wouldn't be up to the police to prove you DID pay the escort it would be your responsibility to say that you DIDNT.

Charlie x

[smiths]

How likely do you think this law actually is to come to pass?

If Labour with Harridan in a position to do so get back in next year i would expect her to continue her crusade to criminalise all punters here. This was her goal in 2009/10 but she couldnt get it through so settled for her coercion law.

IF such a law got through obviously it would be bad news for punters but having a law and it being enforced are two completely different things as proved by the police allowing brothels to operate, for years in some cases depsite them being illegal. It would cost a lot of money and resources to nick punters especially those punting with Indies who by working alone at all times arent breaking the law.

[Charlotte-Rose]

If Labour with Harridan in a position to do so get back in next year i would expect her to continue her crusade to criminalise all punters here. This was her goal in 2009/10 but she couldnt get it through so settled for her coercion law.

IF such a law got through obviously it would be bad news for punters but having a law and it being enforced are two completely different things as proved by the police allowing brothels to operate, for years in some cases depsite them being illegal. It would cost a lot of money and resources to nick punters especially those punting with Indies who by working alone at all times arent breaking the law.

I agree with this quote as it would be a large cost for resources and police time, yet the police in smaller cities have been hot on the case with new girls, normally what happens is if a complaint has been made by a neighbour or angry punter then the police have to act on it, depending on how they act on it will depend on the officers
The only issue is I have heard horror stories from clients who have been robbed and beaten in bookings, as it stands now they could report that to the police, if this law passes they wouldn't be able to report it to anyone other than fab sites like this.

[Jeff_withpetersen]

It it came in to law, how many people would stop punting? I certainly would and if it was law before I started, I'm pretty sure I never would've started. But the law itself is completely preposterous - if a gentleman wishes to pay a lady for a service to their mutual benefit and agreement, why do the government feel it necessary to intervene?

[xerxes69]

While Tory mps still have willies and access to young men this won't be happening

[Sienna_Bronze]

It it came in to law, how many people would stop punting? I certainly would and if it was law before I started, I'm pretty sure I never would've started. But the law itself is completely preposterous - if a gentleman wishes to pay a lady for a service to their mutual benefit and agreement, why do the government feel it necessary to intervene?

Because they see it as exploitative to all women. Regardless of whether we choose it or not. 

[Charlotte-Rose]

It it came in to law, how many people would stop punting? I certainly would and if it was law before I started, I'm pretty sure I never would've started. But the law itself is completely preposterous - if a gentleman wishes to pay a lady for a service to their mutual benefit and agreement, why do the government feel it necessary to intervene?

I agree, yet the nordic model was created on a skewed feminist approach towards violence towards women yet overlooks the people that choose to become a sex worker.

C x

[Charlotte-Rose]

Because they see it as exploitative to all women. Regardless of whether we choose it or not. 

you said it - society still can't accept that we choose to do this, they s=think we are ALL forced victims - pathetic!

[Welsh and Proud !]

Also, be careful signing it, if it asks you for personal details, name, address etc...
Great way of someone obtaining info that could be used against you....
I'm sure the other half would love to know why you feel so strongly about opposing this   

[JV547845]

You could just claim to be a guardian reading woollie jumper wearing liberal on this issue.

[Jimmyredcab]

This law would not really affect me, I would still punt but obviously I would have to be more selective.

It would be totally impossible to enforce -------------- similar to the "war on drugs".   

[JV547845]

Has anyone got any knowledge from punting forums in Scandinavia of how it actually works?  The worst anecdote was the police using condoms as evidence for punting.  Epic fucking fail.

Does the Family Guy Californian tactic work? ("We were making a porn film officer - she's an actress").

Do punters rely on ratings on AW and other review sites even more?

Then there's the world of fetishes.  Precisely what have they defined in law to be a sexual act when they made paying for sex illegal?  Are kissograms/strippers illegal, if not I've still got DFK and nudity .  Can I pay a lady just to eat strawberries and cream off her body?  What if I want to be dominated for an hour - the BDSM community over there must have worked out a way round it.  What happens if after 5 minutes I'm full of strawberries or decide I don't like being whipped and say the safety word, then for the rest of the time we just decide to do what consenting adults might like to?

[smiths]

It it came in to law, how many people would stop punting? I certainly would and if it was law before I started, I'm pretty sure I never would've started. But the law itself is completely preposterous - if a gentleman wishes to pay a lady for a service to their mutual benefit and agreement, why do the government feel it necessary to intervene?

IMO any law that is passed would be more to deter punters from punting in the first place than enforcement and in that i would think it would deter some punters who would assess they have too much to lose. I think i would still continue to punt but would need to see the lay of the land before saying i am 100% certain i would.

If it were to be passed as a law its because of the femi-nazis who would of put all their influence into it. Hopefully enough MPs of all parties wouldnt support such a bill.

[NIK]

I have written about this so many times explaining why it won't work I'm sick of repeating myself.

Will just confine myself this time to saying it's bollocks.

As are these petitions. Even if you get the number of signatures the Govt are only obliged to debate them. There is as much chance of any of them becoming law as there is of me being welcomed back with open arms on Prossynet. Parties have their own agendas and that's what they will seek to legislate first rather than some petition from the 'plebs'. By the time they get around to debating and legislating them another government will probably be in power.

It's merely a not even subtle PR attempt at making us believe we have democracy. 

[jcdmj12]

IMO any law that is passed would be more to deter punters from punting in the first place than enforcement and in that i would think it would deter some punters who would assess they have too much to lose. I think i would still continue to punt but would need to see the lay of the land before saying i am 100% certain i would.

If it were to be passed as a law its because of the femi-nazis who would of put all their influence into it. Hopefully enough MPs of all parties wouldnt support such a bill.

You forgot the bible bashers too. 

Good news... The French proposed law has just been gutted by a senate committee which may kill it.

[xerxes69]

Don't see why the other thread is locked, a good debate, but to add to the last post, I'm sure we've all seen far worse than cr and got worse value from cheaper punts

[NIK]

Don't see why the other thread is locked, a good debate, but to add to the last post, I'm sure we've all seen far worse than cr and got worse value from cheaper punts

Touting.

[xerxes69]

Touting.

Reading the thread again, it's all responses to questions by forumites, including of course a lot of negative stuff

I'd say it all balances out nicely 

[OldAdmin]

Reading the thread again, it's all responses to questions by forumites, including of course a lot of negative stuff

I'd say it all balances out nicely

You been here before. Will be back again no doubt.

[myothernameis]

Reading the thread again, it's all responses to questions by forumites, including of course a lot of negative stuff

I'd say it all balances out nicely

I went back to read the thread my self after it was locked, now in all fairness, your right, but its still touting

Charlotte Rose started of ok, kept things simple but then she mentions what she is going to do, and looking forward to...simply that's touting

Now as for the other male member, Dumbarton maybe a trolls, did they knew what they were doing by asking

hi charlotte.
so where are you working now?

[Aspen]

This law would not really affect me, I would still punt but obviously I would have to be more selective.

It would be totally impossible to enforce -------------- similar to the "war on drugs".   

I agree, and I've always had the attitude that I wouldn't take any notice. But I did read recently that if it came into being, those that were convicted would get put on the sex offenders register, and that's not nice at all.

[NIK]

I agree, and I've always had the attitude that I wouldn't take any notice. But I did read recently that if it came into being, those that were convicted would get put on the sex offenders register, and that's not nice at all.

Won't mean anything when half the fucking country will be on it.   

[Charlotte-Rose]

I agree, and I've always had the attitude that I wouldn't take any notice. But I did read recently that if it came into being, those that were convicted would get put on the sex offenders register, and that's not nice at all.

Hi Aspen,

May I ask where you read that?

Charlie x

[Silverado]

I total understand what your saying about new profiles but the police can not use entrapment as thats against human rights laws.

It wouldn't be up to the police to prove you DID pay the escort it would be your responsibility to say that you DIDNT.

Charlie x

It's nothing to do with the Human Rights Act. It's about abuse of process and whether the administration of justice has been brought into dispute.

A certain level of entrapment is permitted eg. bait cars to catch car thieves, using under-age children to purchase alcohol, cigarettes etc. and under-cover female police officers to catch kerb crawlers.  I tend to agree though that putting up a fake profile and waiting to be contacted would probably mean that the evidence would be inadmissible under section 78 PACE 1984.

Even if it became a criminal offence (and it won't) I doubt very much that the  burden of proof will be reversed. The fairly new offence of paying for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force (section 53A SOA 2003) introduced in April 2010 still requires the prosecution to prove that the defendant paid or promised to pay for the sexual services etc. I can't see how you can say with any certainty that this new hypothetical offence would reverse the burden of proof.

I agree, and I've always had the attitude that I wouldn't take any notice. But I did read recently that if it came into being, those that were convicted would get put on the sex offenders register, and that's not nice at all.

I very much doubt that the notification requirements of ViSOR would apply to any such hypothetical offence. The only sexual offences that lead to notification are those relating to children or involving assault or violence. The maximum sentence for trafficking for sexual exploitation is 14 years, but that offence isn't within Schedule 3 of the SOA 2003, and therefore doesn't lead to notification. Neither is the 2010 offence of paying for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force.

[jcdmj12]

Section 53 hasn't exactly been a stunning success.