Where have all the AW profiles gone? Is this Brexit?

[Londoner2000]

 So  Id consistently search  for A-Levels CIM 15min <£100/30 min, <3miles there were always over 100 profiles.  Now there’s 8.  I live in SE London postcode  near Crystal Palace.  Even taking off all  filters there’s significantly less, like 1/10th than there used to be.  What is happening?

[petermisc]

From the WGs that I have spoken to, the drop in the value of the pound has had a massive impact.  They get to take home significantly less for every pound they earn.  Yes, the UK does seem a less welcoming place, and why bother putting a lot of effort in coming to the UK if you are probably only able to stay a short while, are making other EU countries look much better prospects than the UK.  But the bottom-line is the most significant factor.  If the pound falls even further, expect things to get even worse.  If the value recovers, things may get better.

[LLPunting]

From the WGs that I have spoken to, the drop in the value of the pound has had a massive impact.  They get to take home significantly less for every pound they earn.  Yes, the UK does seem a less welcoming place, and why bother putting a lot of effort in coming to the UK if you are probably only able to stay a short while, are making other EU countries look much better prospects than the UK.  But the bottom-line is the most significant factor.  If the pound falls even further, expect things to get even worse.  If the value recovers, things may get better.

Agree the c.11 cent drop to 1.15 since start of 2016 makes a big difference but that said the UK (particularly London) is still awash with punters and a girl not shy of work only has to see one more punter to clear as much as she was.  Sure they may have to move around to find cheaper premises but pussy hungry pricks will turn up most anywhere for a promising shag.  The richer capitals on the Continent may be slightly/debatably more convenient to their home towns but then they're taking a further 15 cent drop in earnings. 
It's possible that the drop is down to many of the casual/part-time SPs abandoning the market leaving the trafficked and the established work-minded SPs, which will polarise the punter experience and risk even more.
On the upside perhaps rents might start coming down for UK residents.
(I'm expecting a further hit on the pound once the election has been resolved and then another one when Brexit finally happens, unless it doesn't but then we'd be in a woefully combative cultural schism.)

[hawkzville]

An interesting thread!

I just searched Adultwork without filter other than "available today" and within 2 miles of my London postcode and I get 15 turn up; the majority of them "old faces" who have been on that site for a long time, the new ones frankly don't inspire me...…  so they won't be getting my custom.

I agree with the economic assessment of others already made; with sterling weakening is it really worth it for Europeans to make the effort? I'm lucky to have an excellent Polish cleaner at home who constantly bleats that the money she "sends home" is worth less and less and how several of her Polish friends have already moved back (she has stayed as she is married to a Brit).

I wonder then whether (assuming that demand is still there) we may get a resurgence of the British WG? Perhaps priced out of the market 20-years ago with the Euro invasion of the early 2000's, an opportunity may be there to be taken.... though on second thoughts I'm not so sure that the nubile 20 something of the late 90's would float my boat in her 40's!

In the meantime though, until/unless things improve in London I'm sticking with Europe for my future punting and am planning trips shortly.

[Fuzzyduck]

An interesting thread!

I just searched Adultwork without filter other than "available today" and within 2 miles of my London postcode and I get 15 turn up; the majority of them "old faces" who have been on that site for a long time, the new ones frankly don't inspire me...…  so they won't be getting my custom.

I agree with the economic assessment of others already made; with sterling weakening is it really worth it for Europeans to make the effort? I'm lucky to have an excellent Polish cleaner at home who constantly bleats that the money she "sends home" is worth less and less and how several of her Polish friends have already moved back (she has stayed as she is married to a Brit).

I wonder then whether (assuming that demand is still there) we may get a resurgence of the British WG? Perhaps priced out of the market 20-years ago with the Euro invasion of the early 2000's, an opportunity may be there to be taken.... though on second thoughts I'm not so sure that the nubile 20 something of the late 90's would float my boat in her 40's!

In the meantime though, until/unless things improve in London I'm sticking with Europe for my future punting and am planning trips shortly.

Was your cleaner angling for extra work on the side?
Whilst not a resurgence, the % of brits would seem to be increasing (as the migrant worker pool shrinks) and these are trying to command eye watering rates - £150/hr minimum and some piss takers at higher than that. Expect prices to continue to increase in the short to medium term I'd say.

[RandomGuy99]

And if travel controls such as visas are introduced then they'll be fewer European girls visiting.  This might lead to reduced supply and thus an increase in prices.  Porsche, Mercedes, Ferrari and Aston Martin sales in the UK may then rise as the UK based escorts will need something to spend their millions on.

[hawkzville]

…..she has a really good body; not that I overtly stare at her of course....!

I did suggest to her I admit "whether she should be looking at other ways to make money" over and above her cleaning and it either went over her head/she didn't understand or perhaps she just felt I wasn't her type!

I hadn't noticed any new British WG's in this area TBH, but a closer look at the results of an AW search and yes you are right there are a couple of over-priced Brits in there who I'd ignored as I just didn't fancy them.

If your predicted price increases materialise then either a case of making do, or as per my previous post get off my fat arse and (to misquote) the "mountain won't come to muhammad" then I'm going to be upping my carbon footprint significantly hoping over to the Spanish flesh-pots.

Was your cleaner angling for extra work on the side?
Whilst not a resurgence, the % of brits would seem to be increasing (as the migrant worker pool shrinks) and these are trying to command eye watering rates - £150/hr minimum and some piss takers at higher than that. Expect prices to continue to increase in the short to medium term I'd say.

[Fuzzyduck]

If your predicted price increases materialise then either a case of making do, or as per my previous post get off my fat arse and (to misquote) the "mountain won't come to muhammad" then I'm going to be upping my carbon footprint significantly hoping over to the Spanish flesh-pots.

Prices have been rising for some time now if I look at my HL: some SPs who were £100/hr are now £120; £200/hr becomes £250. If it becomes a sellers market then we're all fucked. Or not as the case may be. Instead, I'm sure some guys will seek pleasures abroad  instead or perhaps there might be more of a party scene here.

[Londoner2000]

The northern street lass who used to ply in Bristol for £20 car shags now charges £200 an hour from her flat.  Her phone is long gone  and she’s been off the gear for years apparently, but I sent her an email, and she said she’s on aW and said the least she could charge was 100 for 30 min.  Wtf

[Payyourwaymate]

Prices have been rising for some time now if I look at my HL: some SPs who were £100/hr are now £120; £200/hr becomes £250. If it becomes a sellers market then we're all fucked. Or not as the case may be. Instead, I'm sure some guys will seek pleasures abroad  instead or perhaps there might be more of a party scene here.

Eventually, there will be the proverbial straw that will break the camels back, with how much these girls think they will be able to charge. When that happens....I don't think it will be pretty .

[scutty brown]

Toughening of the AW verification rules mean more and more foreign girls are moving to Vivastreet.
Take Lancashire: three years ago there would be ~60 VS profiles at any one time. Last night there were 209

[Ironrose]

Toughening of the AW verification rules mean more and more foreign girls are moving to Vivastreet.
Take Lancashire: three years ago there would be ~60 VS profiles at any one time. Last night there were 209

If they are not willing to get verified on AW which is probably “the go to site” for punters ....it’s unlikely they will offer a great service imo

[LLPunting]

If they are not willing to get verified on AW which is probably “the go to site” for punters ....it’s unlikely they will offer a great service imo

Or they could be trying to avoid AW charges as an overhead...

[dubs]

Bloody annoying if it is stopping decent EE girls coming here.  My last few good bookings have been gorgeous Polish girls.

[Fuzzyduck]

Bloody annoying if it is stopping decent EE girls coming here.  My last few good bookings have been gorgeous Polish girls.

Just the one in the last year then?

[Londoner2000]

There’s got to be another reason.  I d understand it was down like 10 or 20% because of Brexit  but in my area it’s down 92% there’s a TENTH  of the girls there were.  I wonder if it’s what I’ve said before which is aw is so much fucking hassle for me  but also imagine what it’s like for the girls? Do you think the scope for another site  similar to Uber where you can just one click and see what’s available?  To the admin who made this forum so great,  is that something they think could work?

[whoya.kiddin]

Not just Brexit, but also the impact of a weakening economy and the drop in the pound on a foreign worker's earning power.  I think this is but a taster of how the market will go if and when we leave the EU.

 

[petermisc]

There was an item on the radio last night about why immigration from the EU in general has dropped massively.  Top reason given was the drop in take-home pay due to the drop in value of the pound, second reason given was the UK is perceived as a less attractive place to work, e,g. difficulty getting back into the UK post-Brexit.  Poor feedback from those already here means other places are (rightly or wrongly) seen as more lucrative and welcoming options by those at home deciding where to go.  That was for immigration in general, but no doubt applies to escorting too.

However, Brexit can't be the only reason.  It doesn't explain the drop in number and quality of Asian girls, for example.

If a girl is no good, trade will soon dry up and she will give up and go back home.  The girls that are good at their job, who earn enough to make it worthwhile staying here, sooner or later start jacking their prices up.  So for the cheaper-end of the market we are reliant on a constant supply of new girls.

Soon after we joined the EU there was a large influx of Czech and Baltic girls, which (along with the internet) totally revolutionised the punting scene.  However, as their economies picked up, so there was less incentive for girls from those countries to come here to earn.  Just as that tide waned, Poland joined the EU and there was an influx of Polish girls (some outstanding girls at real vfm - that was probably my punting high-time).  Then along came the Romanians (really cheap, but unfortunately also really poor service).  However, the Romanians also flooded the market, there were so many of them, and so cheap.  Years back, most agencies had on average about a dozen or so girls on their books, some (such as admiral) more, some less.  Nowadays the number of girls on the agency websites is staggering.  However, the competition meant others earnt less.  The number of Asians coming here, for example, dropped considerably.   Now the Romanian tide is starting to wane, there seems to be an increasing number of South Americans, who have always charged more (higher expenses to cover?).

Unless there is a new influx of girls from a poor region somewhere, I doubt things will improve.  Unfortunately I can't see that happening while we make it harder for people to enter the UK, and while the value of the pound remains so low.

[LLPunting]

There was an item on the radio last night about why immigration from the EU in general has dropped massively.  Top reason given was the drop in take-home pay due to the drop in value of the pound, second reason given was the UK is perceived as a less attractive place to work, e,g. difficulty getting back into the UK post-Brexit.  Poor feedback from those already here means other places are (rightly or wrongly) seen as more lucrative and welcoming options by those at home deciding where to go.  That was for immigration in general, but no doubt applies to escorting too.

However, Brexit can't be the only reason.  It doesn't explain the drop in number and quality of Asian girls, for example.

If a girl is no good, trade will soon dry up and she will give up and go back home.  The girls that are good at their job, who earn enough to make it worthwhile staying here, sooner or later start jacking their prices up.  So for the cheaper-end of the market we are reliant on a constant supply of new girls.

Soon after we joined the EU there was a large influx of Czech and Baltic girls, which (along with the internet) totally revolutionised the punting scene.  However, as their economies picked up, so there was less incentive for girls from those countries to come here to earn.  Just as that tide waned, Poland joined the EU and there was an influx of Polish girls (some outstanding girls at real vfm - that was probably my punting high-time).  Then along came the Romanians (really cheap, but unfortunately also really poor service).  However, the Romanians also flooded the market, there were so many of them, and so cheap.  Years back, most agencies had on average about a dozen or so girls on their books, some (such as admiral) more, some less.  Nowadays the number of girls on the agency websites is staggering.  However, the competition meant others earnt less.  The number of Asians coming here, for example, dropped considerably.   Now the Romanian tide is starting to wane, there seems to be an increasing number of South Americans, who have always charged more (higher expenses to cover?).

Unless there is a new influx of girls from a poor region somewhere, I doubt things will improve.  Unfortunately I can't see that happening while we make it harder for people to enter the UK, and while the value of the pound remains so low.

Whilst the pound is still worth more than the Euro and Dollar it will be attractive to most Asians and South Americans.  Once we have direction on immigration post election and Brexit we will likely see an uptick in "nurses", "carers", medical ancillaries and manual labour from these regions ostensibly to address the ongoing and increasing shortages in these areas.  It will be interesting to see how many of the thousands of UK workers made redundant during this unfolding economic self-harm will retrain and make a career in these disciplines, along with teaching, policing and NHS; all of which will take 2+ years to be felt.  With the Labour threat of added taxes on those on 80+k and the likely indirect taxation on us all for their spending plans, if they win then that could mean the most efficacious anti-punting government action in decades.

[samsmith_1231]

From the WGs that I have spoken to, the drop in the value of the pound has had a massive impact.  They get to take home significantly less for every pound they earn.  Yes, the UK does seem a less welcoming place, and why bother putting a lot of effort in coming to the UK if you are probably only able to stay a short while, are making other EU countries look much better prospects than the UK.  But the bottom-line is the most significant factor.  If the pound falls even further, expect things to get even worse.  If the value recovers, things may get better.

Shouldn’t the local women come and fill the gap in the market?

[xyfek]

Shouldn’t the local women come and fill the gap in the market?

That is assuming there is a gap to fill. Other posters have made good points already, but I think it should be stressed that the economy is not looking so good and a lot of people are feeling the squeeze. With less disposable income, luxuries are the first things to go. That includes punting. Less money to punt means SPs have fewer clients, and while the really good ones will still make a killing, most will struggle and may eventually decide to do something else.

[petermisc]

Shouldn’t the local women come and fill the gap in the market?

Those local women willing to do this work are already here and doing it.  Those of us who remember what things were like before we joined the EU will remember how bad things were for punters in those days when we were almost totally reliant on homegrown talent.

[Londoner2000]

 I actually think aW might be part of the problem.  The hassle of receiving messages etc  waiting to book checking availability, lots of useless messages before anything actually happens, and the admin involved. A couple of girls I spoke to said they spend longer organizing sex than actually doing it.  Which is why something like Uber, with  mandatory verification of girls,  advertised on an off times  and every service with extras mentioned in price,  some oversight and mandatory reviews would do really well. Even uploading/scrolling through photos  is stuck in the 1990s on aw

[Mr Farkyhars]

Those local women willing to do this work are already here and doing it

Not necessarily so - it depends how much they can get for the work and how easily they can out-compete the competition. Like any other sector, really.

[LLPunting]

Those local women willing to do this work are already here and doing it.  Those of us who remember what things were like before we joined the EU will remember how bad things were for punters in those days when we were almost totally reliant on homegrown talent.

Things have changed since those long gone days.  All the girls neck deep in debt from studies, chasing IG opportunities, raising kids, trying to make ends meet in London, etc and all the freeloader SBs accustomed to a certain lifestyle.  Plenty on the brink as the post Brexit and Election recession takes hold over the next 2-3 years.  Whilst there will be many blokes who might not be able to afford the occasional 20-40 trick in a car any more, many of us here who punt £100+ in one form or another per month will still be able to indulge with the women needing the cash, whether it be 20 at a time, 60+ per 30 mins or 100+ per 60.  Possibly better chances of SBs accepting lower monthlies.

[whoya.kiddin]

Things have changed since those long gone days.  All the girls neck deep in debt from studies, chasing IG opportunities, raising kids, trying to make ends meet in London, etc and all the freeloader SBs accustomed to a certain lifestyle.  Plenty on the brink as the post Brexit and Election recession takes hold over the next 2-3 years.  Whilst there will be many blokes who might not be able to afford the occasional 20-40 trick in a car any more, many of us here who punt £100+ in one form or another per month will still be able to indulge with the women needing the cash, whether it be 20 at a time, 60+ per 30 mins or 100+ per 60.  Possibly better chances of SBs accepting lower monthlies.

Agreed. I think many women on low salaries never consider that they could completely alter their position in life by choosing sex work.  I have seen baristas, waitresses, cleaners, care workers and shop assistants that quite likely get treated like shit by their employers and could earn their weekly wage in a few hours on their back or five times their salary if they escorted full time.

[sparkus]

Two trends I've noticed, both WGs on the web and also TCM shops...

AW and VS providers pop up disproportionately in one place then move on (sweet deal with a landlord maybe), I remember the E18 and IG8 postcodes (Woodford and surrounds) had loads at one point, as did IG11 (Barking) but have dipped back down now.  HA postcodes currently have the lion's share of the capital's Latinas (or did last time I looked), same with Tottenham up to Edmonton.  A decade ago Leyton had 3-4 Chinese brothels you could call up, now zilch.

Quite often the TCM offer in London is paltry: farmer's wives, rip-off merchants etc. Yet peruse the regional boards and there's busty youngsters galore tugging off men where overheads are cheaper.

[sparkus]

Agreed. I think many women on low salaries never consider that they could completely alter their position in life by choosing sex work.  I have seen baristas, waitresses, cleaners, care workers and shop assistants that quite likely get treated like shit by their employers and could earn their weekly wage in a few hours on their back or five times their salary if they escorted full time.

I suspect that most women in that position imagine that sex work either entails standing under a lampost in a mini-skirt or working in a Soho walk-up on a conveyor belt, there's a world of difference between putting your principles and fears aside for some ready cash and being able to devote yourself to life as a WG.  Many would consider it but wouldn't know where to start or be able to accomodate, though as reported Universal Credit is forcing some mothers to either street punt or find ways to offer sex for cash/cash in kind.

[whoya.kiddin]

I suspect that most women in that position imagine that sex work either entails standing under a lampost in a mini-skirt or working in a Soho walk-up on a conveyor belt, there's a world of difference between putting your principles and fears aside for some ready cash and being able to devote yourself to life as a WG.  Many would consider it but wouldn't know where to start or be able to accomodate, though as reported Universal Credit is forcing some mothers to either street punt or find ways to offer sex for cash/cash in kind.

I think you are right.  Interestingly, on the odd occasion that I have met an SP who was  working toward a longer term objective (returning to the army in one instance, going on to Uni in another) they were both excellent providers and seemed able to take a far more objective and detached view of the stigma around sex work.

[Finbar1]

Think a few of the girls got smart and and started to get the guys talking on tinder type apps and learnt how to milk more money on a regular basis from there (boyfriends).   And they can aways win the big prize from catching a wealthy love sick fool.           Massive lack of asian girls and before there was loads locally.     Intresting post.   The exchange rate can also make the girls go somewhere they get more value. But I think there milking guys from the apps

[Katohernandes]

A few of the girls who I saw on a regular basis have moved out of London due to getting robbed several times. One was robbed, raped and beaten 3 times in the space of a month . For them working outside of London and earning less money is safer and more appealing than working in London and earning 10x more but living with fear of being robbed and beaten.

[sparkus]

Think a few of the girls got smart and and started to get the guys talking on tinder type apps and learnt how to milk more money on a regular basis from there (boyfriends).   And they can aways win the big prize from catching a wealthy love sick fool.           Massive lack of asian girls and before there was loads locally.     Intresting post.   The exchange rate can also make the girls go somewhere they get more value. But I think there milking guys from the apps

I've ended up talking to a few WGs on Tinder and they cut to the chase quite quick and quote silly prices.  I always play thick, which usually ends up with a drawn out convo and then them sending abuse before unmatching.  There's also a few cam scammers, pro dommes etc. on there but I can't be bothered.