Herbal clinic cricklewood - 2 girls one after another

[Okiedokie]

Hi folks

So I went to this shop last week to check it out and I came back underwhelmed - not really at the variety but at the quality on what's on offer in comparison to other providers

So just to clarify - I don't know the names of the Japanese and Italian girl I experienced but they were both under 30 - the Italian/Romanian being nearer 20 but the overall experience was pretty shite for what I was looking for. And whilst the Japanese was less pretty than the other girl- she was a much better overall I went here last Tuesday or Wednesday

Had two massages and had a weird overall experience

First time here so this is how my experience went -

Walked in and asked for an hour massage at 50 which is fine and then was lead to a room from which I could choose from whoever was available at that time. I like one "Italian" girl but she was booked for twenty minutes later so I couldn't pick her but the other two looked meh-ish so I was told another Japanese girl wiuld he coming soon too after she finished. Anyway once she finished she also said hi to me and I liked her smile so I picked her. Anyway the room is dark and you can barely see the women as they say hello so when she finally walked in I realised that the other women I said no to previously were probably all fitter than this Japanese lady.

Anyway the massage was actually very good and she was very nice in terms of her manner etc - I just was not attracted to her at all and rejected HR - I think you might have B2b as an option with her.

Anyway gave me my whole hour and then I was walking out the building and seen the girl I originally wanted for a massage. So I though screw it give me 45 minutes with her. So spent another 40 quid on this Italian girl. Nice body and ass and lips - had a serious look about her. When speaking to her I realised she was actually Romainian not Italian as I can speak some Italian haha anyway she was hot so I couldn't care less. Now finally I'm thinking - I want B2b with this girl and my journey here will end up being pleasing - then she tells me she only does HE or for 40 naked HE - I'm like ehhhhhh - I don't just wanna see you naked I wanna experience B2b - anyway she was really adamant on getting a tip which put me off because I was already gutted about not getting B2b with this girl.  Anyway rejected HE off this girl too just cuz I was disappointed and left after the time. Overall the experience with the Japanese girl was much better and I should have tipped her looking back and not wasted my time with the Romanian pretending to be Italian girl.

So on my way out I seen this tallish girl who they say is new from Hungary I think she said who looked hot and had a nice ass in her jeans which I like as opposed to some weird massage outfit - anyway tempted to go back to try her out but if not b2b is available at this place and just a random HE with or without clothes I may look elsewhere



so overall spent 90 quid on two massages and left feeling empty but not for the right reasons

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[Goldfinch]

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[LLPunting]

Thanks for the intel. 

A review is meant to be for a single SP only.

There is not enough info here to properly ID any of the girls, please add more physical description if you don't have a name.  If you are unable to then this will be moved to the London region.

Next time if you want to submit a summary of multiples then please post in the Parlour mini-thread.

[Okiedokie]

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So looking at the ad I'm 99% sure the Romanian acting Italian is Christina - early twenties - an ass that is thick but slim waist nice skin in the dark looks tanned until the lights go on and you realise she is like pretty pale typical Romanian girls skin - about 5'2 - pretty hot but too serious and didn't enjoy the experience - I don't believe there is any value in a 40 quid happy ending just because she doesn't have her top on when I can get an amazing body to body with someone just as sexy for that

The Japanese girl must be sunny - Id say late 20's wrinkles on her eyes - slimmer than Christina but nothing on her body to impress - don't wanna call anyone ugly but she was just not my type at all - have a great massage tho and I feel she was ready to do b2b if you want it with her. About the same right as the other girl just slimmer. Was disappointed as when she said hello she looked pretty hot as she glided past but when she came into the room I wanted to run out.

I'm gonna go again on Wednesday and check the final lass out I wanted if she is available and what she offers but if it's terrible never again here 🤙🏼

[LLPunting]

Thanks for the detailed update 
How did you confirm she was Japanese?  She could've been the Chinese girl?   

And if "Cristina" didn't understand your Italian then... 

So do you want to split this into 2 separate reviews or move this to London region?  IF the former then tell us what the new title is for this one and then post the second yourself.   

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[Okiedokie]

Thanks for the detailed update 
How did you confirm she was Japanese?  She could've been the Chinese girl?   

And if "Cristina" didn't understand your Italian then... 

So do you want to split this into 2 separate reviews or move this to London region?  IF the former then tell us what the new title is for this one and then post the second yourself.   

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So in terms of Christina the Italian - I'm pretty certain she said her name was Christina and she said she was Italian and  from Roma 😂😂😂 and then when I asked her to speak Italian she basically couldn't and later she asked me if I like Romanian girls 😂 And then later confirmed to me she is Romanian but to everyone here at work she will be Italian - maybe has a higher USP than saying you're Romanian which might bring with it negative stereotypes

As for sunny the Japanese girl - she was from Tokyo - she looked more Japanese than Chinese - longer skinnier face as opposed to roundish and on the day I went there was not a Chinese girl working - the only Asian girl working was Japanese so it had to be her. If she is actually Japanese or not I can't confirm for certain but it's definitely the Japanese on the add as opposed to the Chinese girl on it since the Chinese girl was not advertised on the day I went.

I don't really mind tbh what happens with the review if split into two or just left as it is or moved - feel free to do with it why you guys want! 

Hope that helps in terms of the girls tho - basically the Romanian acting Italian is hotter but provides a crappy massage at a 150 miles per hour without any sensuality and the Japanese offers a pretty decent massage but lacks the look I want for extras - btw I am massively attracted to Asian women but still she didn't do it for me.

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[LLPunting]

Great! Thanks for all the really useful extra info.   

Look forward to your update after your 3rd try.  Hope it goes well 

[NeverMind07]

Highly unlikely to be really Japanese tho.

[scutty brown]

Thanks for the intel. 

A review is meant to be for a single SP only.

There is not enough info here to properly ID any of the girls, please add more physical description if you don't have a name.  If you are unable to then this will be moved to the London region.

Next time if you want to submit a summary of multiples then please post in the Parlour mini-thread.

There was always an exception for massage parlours where the girls couldn't be identified - under those circumstances you could review the parlour, not the staff.
However the new rules have changed completely and simply say this:

4 Reviews
A new review thread can only be created once a service provider has agreed to a booking. A meet does not need to take place, money does not need change hands, the only criteria is that she had accepted the initial booking. Members can post more than one review about an SP, but touting will result in a ban. Reviews are allowed up to 6 months after the event(positive or negative)

Whether deliberate or not I don't know, but thats a significant change in the rules which makes this thread a valid review

[LLPunting]

There was always an exception for massage parlours where the girls couldn't be identified - under those circumstances you could review the parlour, not the staff.
However the new rules have changed completely and simply say this:

Whether deliberate or not I don't know, but thats a significant change in the rules which makes this thread a valid review

There has been no such general exception on the London boards in the last few years.  IF you can't name the girl then at least describe her as best as possible so others can try to see the same, this is in the interest of punters.  Just saying "I went somewhere and got a good/bad service off some random unidentifiable chick" is pretty redundant and useless.
Whilst the letter of the law may not be exacting the ethos of the site is the guide.  New management have not stated they want to make this place worse than it was under OldAdmin.

4 Reviews
A new review thread can only be created once a service provider has agreed to a booking. A meet does not need to take place, money does not need change hands, the only criteria is that she had accepted the initial booking. Members can post more than one review about an SP, but touting will result in a ban. Reviews are allowed up to 6 months after the event(positive or negative)

This seems pretty implicit that reviews are about individuals.  Nowhere does it say anything about establishments.

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Zero tolerance for touting / advertising. You must disclose any link you have that may be seen as bias if you're not just a customer. Sharing info must be for the benefit of other punters and not promote the business of others.

Again implicit that promoting an establishment with a variable crop of SPs under the guise of an encounter of an unidentifiable one is not permitted.

[Bob Suruncle]

There does seem to be a theme developing for this place. I had one great experience ( https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=250604.0 ) although unfortunately not seen this girl on the Gumtree ads for some time. The other two, admittedly with same girl, were pretty lack lustre ( https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=251200.0 ). I agree with the review about the new rooms - the last visit was in a room where the lighting was turned right down. Great for a legit massage but when you want to see the girl's assets then a complete waste of time. To cap it all the price for a 60 min Swedish massage has gone up by £5 - no doubt to pay for the refurbishment. Not a big deal in the great scheme of things but at £70 for a potentially crap massage and a lack lustre HE, well there's much better vfm out there. Unless I see some pretty spectacular reviews for this place, I will not be visiting again.

[LLPunting]

Thanks BS for your take on this place.  I had noted the fancy refurb in the pics, quite a change from the grotty place it was a couple of years back.
Are the lights on dimmers?
Do the girls refuse turning the lights back on?

[Bob Suruncle]

Hi LLP, In the room I used the lights were on dimmers. It was a new room so I would hazard a guess that all the rooms are like it. The first time with Emily, she was quite happy to turn the lights up to a reasonable level i.e. the level I wanted. The second time with Vicky, coincidentally her grasp of the English language evaporated at the point where I tried to explain that I wanted the lights a little brighter. Even my degree from the Lindsay Kemp school of mine (pointing at the switch and turning my hand clockwise  ) failed to get the message over. In the end I gave up. Sorry the answer is not definitive but it points to some girls will and some girls wont. Its the luck of the draw.

[scutty brown]

There has been no such general exception on the London boards in the last few years.  IF you can't name the girl then at least describe her as best as possible so others can try to see the same, this is in the interest of punters.  Just saying "I went somewhere and got a good/bad service off some random unidentifiable chick" is pretty redundant and useless.
Whilst the letter of the law may not be exacting the ethos of the site is the guide.  New management have not stated they want to make this place worse than it was under OldAdmin.

This seems pretty implicit that reviews are about individuals.  Nowhere does it say anything about establishments.

Again implicit that promoting an establishment with a variable crop of SPs under the guise of an encounter of an unidentifiable one is not permitted.

I've managed to find the old rules about posting reviews on another thread - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?msg=2556094
They were posted by The Don when he pulled me up a similar mistake which I made in downgrading a review

- Reviews

* A new review thread can only be created once a service provider has agreed to a booking (e.g. verbally or by textual messaging). A meet does not need to take place, money does not need change hands, the only requirement is that the service provider had accepted the initial booking.
* Only one positive review thread can be posted for a service provider by one member per 12 month period, the exception is if the new positive review is for a threesome (or more) booking. This 12-month restriction only applies to positive reviews, not neutral or negative (they can be posted anytime after a positive review). During the 12-month period a member can add their new positive reviews to their existing review thread in the form of a reply.
* Positive reviews can only be placed in the 12 months after the punt. No time limit on negative or neutral reviews.
* Positive reviews cannot be placed for cancelled bookings.
* Only sex workers can be the subject of a review, not a whole agency / establishment / brothel. The exception is massage establishments where providers do not have names.
* Reviews must contain either a link, contact details or address (if publicised by the service provider).
* Only one review thread per punt. Do not combine multiple punts in the same review thread, neither should a same punt be split into multiple review threads. Do not post the same review in multiple regions.
* Past or current sex workers or anyone related to a sex worker (e.g. boyfriend) may not review any other sex worker.

I've highlighted the point relevant to this discussion.
Virtually all of this is missing from the new rules, whether deliberate or not only the admin team can know. However its clear that by the old rules your demotion of the review was wrong. Only the admin team can advise on what should happen under the new rules.

[daviemac]

Only the admin team can advise on what should happen under the new rules.

The rules have now been updated as follows -

'Only one sex worker can be the subject of a review, not a whole agency/establishment/ brothel. The exception is duos etc and massage establishments where providers do not have names'

This is basically how it used to be, one escort per review (except the obvious duos etc) and names not a necessity in a massage parlour if you don't happen to catch it.

[scutty brown]

The rules have now been updated as follows -

'Only one sex worker can be the subject of a review, not a whole agency/establishment/ brothel. The exception is duos etc and massage establishments where providers do not have names'

This is basically how it used to be, one escort per review (except the obvious duos etc) and names not a necessity in a massage parlour if you don't happen to catch it.

I'd read that rule as making this a valid revue as its a massage establishment where the girls didn't have names. I think we all need to follow your lead though - do you think it should be reinstated?

[LLPunting]

The rules have now been updated as follows -

'Only one sex worker can be the subject of a review, not a whole agency/establishment/ brothel. The exception is duos etc and massage establishments where providers do not have names'

This is basically how it used to be, one escort per review (except the obvious duos etc) and names not a necessity in a massage parlour if you don't happen to catch it.

So what is the point of reviewing individuals you cannot identify, we have the mini-review thread that achieves the same.  If we don't need to identify the SP (name/sufficient description) then we don't need the mini-review thread, considering that this rule is taken to permit multiple SPs to be described in a parlour review.

[LLPunting]

Hi LLP, In the room I used the lights were on dimmers. It was a new room so I would hazard a guess that all the rooms are like it. The first time with Emily, she was quite happy to turn the lights up to a reasonable level i.e. the level I wanted. The second time with Vicky, coincidentally her grasp of the English language evaporated at the point where I tried to explain that I wanted the lights a little brighter. Even my degree from the Lindsay Kemp school of mine (pointing at the switch and turning my hand clockwise  ) failed to get the message over. In the end I gave up. Sorry the answer is not definitive but it points to some girls will and some girls wont. Its the luck of the draw.

 

[scutty brown]

So what is the point of reviewing individuals you cannot identify, we have the mini-review thread that achieves the same.  If we don't need to identify the SP (name/sufficient description) then we don't need the mini-review thread, considering that this rule is taken to permit multiple SPs to be described in a parlour review.

I've always thought the mini-review threads served no useful purpose

[daviemac]

So what is the point of reviewing individuals you cannot identify, we have the mini-review thread that achieves the same.  If we don't need to identify the SP (name/sufficient description) then we don't need the mini-review thread, considering that this rule is taken to permit multiple SPs to be described in a parlour review.

I think the rules are pretty clear. Review 1 service provider per review unless you see more than one in the same booking. With regard to massage parlours sometimes the girls name is not obvious or they change regularly therefore a description will do, it will still give an idea of what you can expect and who might be the best to see. Reviews of legitimate massage places are also allowed for those, who, like me as it happens, the massage is the most important part and anything else is a bonus. This also gives those who want the HE information on where to avoid. 

As this thread is about more than one visit to a massage parlour and not 2 SPs at the same time it is not a valid review.

There's more to UKP than the London mini massage thread. In the NE our massage thread has the largest viewing figures on the site, 1.3 million but we still encourage separate reviews.

[Warm-Hands]

In spite of this review apparently breaking the rules I found it useful - I would hate for reviews such as this one to disappear because of a need to comply with specific rules.

[Jonestown]

In spite of this review apparently breaking the rules I found it useful - I would hate for reviews such as this one to disappear because of a need to comply with specific rules.

I agree, must be a simple way to divide the review into two parts to keep all parties happy, would also not like to see the London Shop thread disappear, apart from mini-reviews it caries a wealth of accumulated information, intelligence and background knowledge, that would be a tragedy to lose.

[daviemac]

In spite of this review apparently breaking the rules I found it useful - I would hate for reviews such as this one to disappear because of a need to comply with specific rules.

It hasn't disappeared it's still here, just in the general discussions thread. It's not like it has an AW number that has to be indexed.

If you search for - Herbal Clinic Cricklewood - ordered by newest first, this thread is #1 in the list.

There's no reason for any massage thread to disappear, they all contain useful info.      

[scutty brown]

I think the rules are pretty clear. Review 1 service provider per review unless you see more than one in the same booking. With regard to massage parlours sometimes the girls name is not obvious or they change regularly therefore a description will do, it will still give an idea of what you can expect and who might be the best to see. Reviews of legitimate massage places are also allowed for those, who, like me as it happens, the massage is the most important part and anything else is a bonus. This also gives those who want the HE information on where to avoid. 

As this thread is about more than one visit to a massage parlour and not 2 SPs at the same time it is not a valid review.

There's more to UKP than the London mini massage thread. In the NE our massage thread has the largest viewing figures on the site, 1.3 million but we still encourage separate reviews.

I must have misread it - I thought he made one visit and saw two girls

[daviemac]

I must have misread it - I thought he made one visit and saw two girls

The point is he saw 2 different girls at different times, 2 different punts, which just happened to be in the same place.  Unfortunately the line has to be drawn somewhere and the rule is one SP per review unless seen at the same time, as in a duo.

Splitting this thread into 2 reviews or even changing it to a review as it is wouldn't make it any easier to find, it's already #1 in a search.