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Offline tester101

I was reflecting on my punting life and the terrifying statistic that male suicide is the biggest killer of men 29 - 45.  Of the many reasons cited for this was a study where close to 1,000 male suicides  were linked to sense of despair owing to denial or lack of access to sex or intimacy owing to socio economic or situational/cultural reasons compared to just over 200 female suicides.

Now, I was the guy who was not going to get the girl, no matter what I did.  Further, I realise that I was partially emasculated by the women's movement of the late 80s/90s with 'No means No' and 'Pornography is violence', later realising that this was in fact a narrative designed by women seeking leverage through restricting access to sex and to 'shame' women into denying sex as pleasure (as part of the tyranny of male patriarchy...).  The bitter truth, is that women I knew in this space, ended up partnering with men who were totally bastards but could materially support them comfortably or some pathetic man child. The point it was either a totally surrender of principles or a need for a power dynamic in their favour.

So, I am faced with a reality where, no matter what I did, I was not going to get laid, and as this persisted, the more desperate you get and that adds to your undesirability...

Thank God for punting!!!  I suspect that had I not overriden the propaganda, and the stigma that seems to persist towards any expression of love of sex or sexual needs (seems to be a legacy of the fucking Puritans) in the UK - I would have been one of those statistics.

I had laboured over a sense of guilt, also a sense of failure that I did not have the 'goods' to secure a partner.  Thankfully I am free of that mentality, and liberated.  Liberated that I am no longer being 'bent over' by the taboos of this hypocritical and bankrupt society.  A society that would have confined me to a miserable existence and rejected any complicity in their denial of the importance and need for sex or sexual release.

Offline Horseman

What on earth did I just read?

The "No means no" movement ruined any chance you had of getting laid?

Honestly I think the problem may be slightly deeper than that. Classic nice guy perhaps......  :dash:

Offline tester101

Honestly I think the problem may be slightly deeper than that. Classic nice guy perhaps......  :dash:

It's a fair point - if you want to get into the sociology of the times, rape in marriage had been outlawed, so there was a prevailing sense of 'new rules' were at play.  I wanted to be the epitome of sensitive and caring, cynically as I thought it would enhance my chances espc. while at uni  :dash:

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Everybody’s circumstances are different, seek medical help, but ......

...I wouldn’t advise punting if you are depressed, or unhappy with your life.

Punting does not replace relationships.
Go for a punt, and you may financially regret it, or become emotionally attached, leading to bigger financial regrets.
Punting does not stop loneliness. You just crave more, feel more lonely.
Find a hobby you can do with others. Make friends. There is someone for everyone.

Feeling down or need a release then have a wank.
Exercise is good for the soul.  :sarcastic:


Offline JontyR

I wanted to be the epitome of sensitive and caring, cynically as I thought it would enhance my chances espc. while at uni  :dash:

Ah...so if you put enough coins in the nice guy slot then the female machine will eventually put sex out of the slot at the bottom?

At least egotistical bastards who are only out for sex are honest. Is someone pretending to be something so that people may acquiesce to their ulterior motive claim the same?

Punting I reckon is perfect for you, you now exchange  hard cash as opposed to nice guy tokens which have, in your case, no redeemable value.

I wouldn't suggest hookers are available on prescription though for the rest of guys who are at risk of ending it.Positive punting requires a specific mindset which comes naturally to some, requires work for others, but as Moby alludes to , it is something that can provide clarity around what is actually missing in your life. In Mental Health Week I'll say as everyone else does...if you are feeling despairing, bereft or at the bottom of a pit then reach you hand out. It may be grabbed and pull you into the light.

Offline tester101

Ah...so if you put enough coins in the nice guy slot then the female machine will eventually put sex out of the slot at the bottom?

Have to confess that’s a painfully true summary and it’s a POV I never considered fully

I should state, I suggest that punting addressed a need which, left unchecked, could have lead to...Agree that if you are at that stage, punting would be the last place to go for help especially if you met some of the horrors I have had

Offline JontyR

Have to confess that’s a painfully true summary and it’s a POV I never considered fully

Well at least you have the self awareness to acknowledge that. So why not try again to engage with more people as peers, not fixating on a physical act, being honest with them and yourself and see what happens?

Offline Thephoenix

Many of us would agree with you comment....'Thank God for punting!'

We all have our different reasons.

Thanks for sharing your views. :thumbsup:
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Interesting posts so I'll bite. First of all well done for not taking the easy way out.

Feminism: third wave feminism isn't an attack on men, even if it seems like it. It is an attack on the family unit. Who remembers the catchphrase "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bike"? Or the criticism of traditional housewives i.e. married women?

Nice guys: I think it's confusing, not just for men but also for women. We are told that women want sensitive men. Honestly I think that's true, but it's not the same as being a pushover. Would you date a woman with no empathy? The people I have seen who are most successful with women appear fun, extrovert and basically like people who would be great to take to a party. That doesn't make them sexy in the classic sense though. Jordan Peterson summed it up (and I don't agree with everything he says but I do on this): he mentioned the film Beauty and the Beast were a woman is looking for a man they can tame. You can see it on sexiest men lists, the men appear dangerous: Sean Connery, Denzel Washington, Oliver Reed, Mel Gibson, Dwayne Johnson.

Punting: it isn't a substitute for a relationship and a lot of people get burn out when priorities change, have shit punts or are simply not feeling sexual.

Offline victor989

I was reflecting on my punting life and the terrifying statistic that male suicide is the biggest killer of men 29 - 45.  Of the many reasons cited for this was a study where close to 1,000 male suicides  were linked to sense of despair owing to denial or lack of access to sex or intimacy owing to socio economic or situational/cultural reasons compared to just over 200 female suicides.

Now, I was the guy who was not going to get the girl, no matter what I did.  Further, I realise that I was partially emasculated by the women's movement of the late 80s/90s with 'No means No' and 'Pornography is violence', later realising that this was in fact a narrative designed by women seeking leverage through restricting access to sex and to 'shame' women into denying sex as pleasure (as part of the tyranny of male patriarchy...).  The bitter truth, is that women I knew in this space, ended up partnering with men who were totally bastards but could materially support them comfortably or some pathetic man child. The point it was either a totally surrender of principles or a need for a power dynamic in their favour.

So, I am faced with a reality where, no matter what I did, I was not going to get laid, and as this persisted, the more desperate you get and that adds to your undesirability...

Thank God for punting!!!  I suspect that had I not overriden the propaganda, and the stigma that seems to persist towards any expression of love of sex or sexual needs (seems to be a legacy of the fucking Puritans) in the UK - I would have been one of those statistics.

I had laboured over a sense of guilt, also a sense of failure that I did not have the 'goods' to secure a partner.  Thankfully I am free of that mentality, and liberated.  Liberated that I am no longer being 'bent over' by the taboos of this hypocritical and bankrupt society.  A society that would have confined me to a miserable existence and rejected any complicity in their denial of the importance and need for sex or sexual release.

An interesting pint of view and I can relate to parts of it.

My experience is that some women will use sex as a weapon to get what they want. For example my OH would only have sex one night
if I agreed to to buy new sofas from John Lewis costing £1,000. When I back-tracked the following day, there was a row.

As a teenager, I used to envy the lifestyle of RocknRoll stars (not the drug taking but the sex they had). I wasn't getting any sex then, but
now many years later, I'm shagging hot younger women (WG's of course)  and living that RocknRoll fantasy, that I once had.
Thank god for punting !

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An interesting pint of view and I can relate to parts of it.

My experience is that some women will use sex as a weapon to get what they want. For example my OH would only have sex one night
if I agreed to to buy new sofas from John Lewis costing £1,000. When I back-tracked the following day, there was a row.

As a teenager, I used to envy the lifestyle of RocknRoll stars (not the drug taking but the sex they had). I wasn't getting any sex then, but
now many years later, I'm shagging hot younger women (WG's of course)  and living that RocknRoll fantasy, that I once had.
Thank god for punting !
Sorry to piss on your bonfire, but we all say shit  like that to justify it. Mick Jagger or even Mick Mars wasn't spending £100+ an hour for a knee trembler or reading reviews of Roma whores for the best deal. I wish I could play guitar like Mick Mars or even Ed Sheeran and he's an idiot's idea of talented.

Offline Stevelondon

Good grief....I must be just one of those shallow blokes who punts simply cos he likes it.


I have to admit. When I was younger and I was not getting it on with the ladies from time to time (it happens to the best of us)....it never crossed my mind to go jump off a bridge or stick my head in the gas oven because of it.
I just went with the flow and hey............I'm having sex with somebody again..


Personally speaking.....Yes I know all about the suicide statistics etc.
I worked with a young guy who threw himself off the top of a building cos he thought his life was shit.
But i think psychologically speaking you are always going to get those types who will want to end it all........just cos life is too damn difficult to get in with.
Sex or the lack of it is just another thing to deal with.

There was a whole lot of other stuff going on in my life for me to worry over on top of not getting me leg over.
My business, I wanted to travel, live for fucks sake.
If not having sex is so depressing to anyone......get a fucking life....its so easy to find.

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Good grief....I must be just one of those shallow blokes who punts simply cos he likes it.


I have to admit. When I was younger and I was not getting it on with the ladies from time to time (it happens to the best of us)....it never crossed my mind to go jump off a bridge or stick my head in the gas oven because of it.
I just went with the flow and hey............I'm having sex with somebody again..

It jars with me.

Offline DLOGAN

it's a mixed bag for me. my marriage ended when i caught my wife cheating on me and i've been unceremoniously thrown back onto the market. the simple fact of the matter is it's much easier for women to get sex than men. my wife just selected one of her many admirers at work when she decided she was done with me and with online dating even average looking women have astronomical standards given the amount of attention they get. the emphasis is on the man to compete to get their attention as ever and I find that galling. i'm decent looking, good company and financially stable, i'm not however 6ft5 with washboard abs so i'm right down the list on OLD. this only really leaves me with the old fashionned way of meeting people through work/ clubs etc and slowly building up something and the pandemic has further shitcanned that. all the while my remaining good years are just slipping away from me. maybe the universe will do me a solid at some point, but if it doesn't i have no intention of going to my grave without ever knowing a woman's touch again. as it stands i'm using this time to get my numbers up (as it were) and to get in all the debauched fare i've always been wanting to try. it isn't and never will be a substitute for a proper relationship though. so whilst this game is providing me with an occasional facsimilie of normalilty and stopping me going off the deep end, the fact that my life has come to paying for sex whilst my ex just rides off into the sunset with her new fella also eats away at me.

at the end of the day all i can do is move forwards. i don't regret cheating at a rigged game, but i also have to make sure i spend the rest of my life not getting so drunk i accidentally spill the beans or develop a toxic mindset that prevents me from ever returning to civvie life.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

" my marriage ended when i caught my wife cheating on me and i've been unceremoniously thrown back onto the market."

Isn't that just the way of it!, known that to happnd to three mates of mine in the past! God help you if your young and have any bloody asset values, she has a couple of kids with you then shes off to bring any old jack the lad or waster in your turfed out and have to support her and shes in the gaff your still paying for her ands him while your slumming it in your one room bedsit!.

Its a shite country to be be divorced on the UK!..


Offline Stevelondon

it's a mixed bag for me. my marriage ended when i caught my wife cheating on me and i've been unceremoniously thrown back onto the market. the simple fact of the matter is it's much easier for women to get sex than men. my wife just selected one of her many admirers at work when she decided she was done with me and with online dating even average looking women have astronomical standards given the amount of attention they get. the emphasis is on the man to compete to get their attention as ever and I find that galling. i'm decent looking, good company and financially stable, i'm not however 6ft5 with washboard abs so i'm right down the list on OLD. this only really leaves me with the old fashionned way of meeting people through work/ clubs etc and slowly building up something and the pandemic has further shitcanned that. all the while my remaining good years are just slipping away from me. maybe the universe will do me a solid at some point, but if it doesn't i have no intention of going to my grave without ever knowing a woman's touch again. as it stands i'm using this time to get my numbers up (as it were) and to get in all the debauched fare i've always been wanting to try. it isn't and never will be a substitute for a proper relationship though. so whilst this game is providing me with an occasional facsimilie of normalilty and stopping me going off the deep end, the fact that my life has come to paying for sex whilst my ex just rides off into the sunset with her new fella also eats away at me.

at the end of the day all i can do is move forwards. i don't regret cheating at a rigged game, but i also have to make sure i spend the rest of my life not getting so drunk i accidentally spill the beans or develop a toxic mindset that prevents me from ever returning to civvie life.

Wallowing in self pity will do you no good whatsoever and the fact your old is ......... well....... better than being dead.
Ok it’s easy for me to say these things cos they’ve never happened to me. Divorced amicably yes so I couldn’t give a fuck if she’s riding everybody into the sunset.
Maybe knowing she’s not helps with that train of thought  :D

I’d look at if this way.
I’m old too. Do I really want to get into another relationship with someone else.
Nah !!!

I’m happy with my lot. If I connect in civvie street then that’s ok but I’m not looking and besides. I enjoy the attentions of younger women and being able to afford to pay them is ok by me.

Chin up fella.

Online Colston36

I was reflecting on my punting life and the terrifying statistic that male suicide is the biggest killer of men 29 - 45.  Of the many reasons cited for this was a study where close to 1,000 male suicides  were linked to sense of despair owing to denial or lack of access to sex or intimacy owing to socio economic or situational/cultural reasons compared to just over 200 female suicides.

Now, I was the guy who was not going to get the girl, no matter what I did.  Further, I realise that I was partially emasculated by the women's movement of the late 80s/90s with 'No means No' and 'Pornography is violence', later realising that this was in fact a narrative designed by women seeking leverage through restricting access to sex and to 'shame' women into denying sex as pleasure (as part of the tyranny of male patriarchy...).  The bitter truth, is that women I knew in this space, ended up partnering with men who were totally bastards but could materially support them comfortably or some pathetic man child. The point it was either a totally surrender of principles or a need for a power dynamic in their favour.

So, I am faced with a reality where, no matter what I did, I was not going to get laid, and as this persisted, the more desperate you get and that adds to your undesirability...

Thank God for punting!!!  I suspect that had I not overriden the propaganda, and the stigma that seems to persist towards any expression of love of sex or sexual needs (seems to be a legacy of the fucking Puritans) in the UK - I would have been one of those statistics.

I had laboured over a sense of guilt, also a sense of failure that I did not have the 'goods' to secure a partner.  Thankfully I am free of that mentality, and liberated.  Liberated that I am no longer being 'bent over' by the taboos of this hypocritical and bankrupt society.  A society that would have confined me to a miserable existence and rejected any complicity in their denial of the importance and need for sex or sexual release.

There are so many shallow comments from shallow people on here that I found that quite moving to read.

There are all sorts of reasons for doing away with yourself and all sorts of situations. And life is stranger than we can imagine   When young I was very good looking, take my word for it. At 19 a girl asked me to be her pimp. Three girls tried  to kill themselves because of me; and ironically in the context of this discussion, one was a highly paid whore - or party girl as she called herself.

But perhaps even more ironically my second wife, a top model attractive enough to have had an affair with Robert Mitchum and other famous men left me once, came back and left me again. Quite recently I got in contact with her again via someone who knows her. She's now in a nursing home. He told me that when he mentioned my name she just said "I broke his heart" - which she did.

But I survived. I guess it's luck in having the right temperament and being otherwise successful at that time. But my heart goes out to those who find it hard to cope - especially as a granddaughter I loved killed herself , though for reasons nothing to do with sex.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2021, 12:26:19 am by Colston36 »

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Nice guys: I think it's confusing, not just for men but also for women. We are told that women want sensitive men. Honestly I think that's true, but it's not the same as being a pushover. Would you date a woman with no empathy? The people I have seen who are most successful with women appear fun, extrovert and basically like people who would be great to take to a party. That doesn't make them sexy in the classic sense though. Jordan Peterson summed it up (and I don't agree with everything he says but I do on this): he mentioned the film Beauty and the Beast were a woman is looking for a man they can tame. You can see it on sexiest men lists, the men appear dangerous: Sean Connery, Denzel Washington, Oliver Reed, Mel Gibson, Dwayne Johnson.


Sadly I agree with Green Day:

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First of all, I'm glad you didn't become one of those men who took his own life and I'm glad you found enjoyment in punting.

Second of all, and this might be a hard pill to swallow, the fact you couldn't get laid might well be down to you and not feminism. I learned it back in my teens - not everyone has a god given right to sex. You can either pay for it like we do or you can change yourself. Whether it be change by altering your appearance by diet, exercise, a new haircut, better clothes or, in some cases, better hygiene or even just lowering you standards, most of the time the reason someone isn't getting laid is down to them.

Offline standardpostage

Nothing wrong with paying for sex.
It's been going on for centuries.
Even good looking and famous guys pay for it.
EG. Hugh Grant film star, Wayne Rooney Footballer.

Offline tester101

First of all, I'm glad you didn't become one of those men who took his own life and I'm glad you found enjoyment in punting.

Second of all, and this might be a hard pill to swallow, the fact you couldn't get laid might well be down to you and not feminism. I learned it back in my teens - not everyone has a god given right to sex. You can either pay for it like we do or you can change yourself. Whether it be change by altering your appearance by diet, exercise, a new haircut, better clothes or, in some cases, better hygiene or even just lowering you standards, most of the time the reason someone isn't getting laid is down to them.

I can't disagree with the assessment and my inability to get laid was more to do with my social anxiety and offers did come my way but the women in question were not very attractive at all....An earlier point was made about the 3rd wave of feminism and my interpretation of it, was that it was driven by the Andrea Dworkin anti sex/sex is rape agenda, all the meanwhile the adherents (some of whom I coveted) were parroting this line, while shagging the Tory rugby assholes cos they looked good on the eye and 'selling' out for material comfort...

Offline tester101

Nothing wrong with paying for sex.
It's been going on for centuries.
Even good looking and famous guys pay for it.
EG. Hugh Grant film star, Wayne Rooney Footballer.

Observing societies in southern Europe, I am wonderfully surprised at how accepted seeking release from a 'puttana' is seen, and in some cases encouraged!  Again, relaxed southern Catholic Europe vs ass clenched repression of Protestant northern Europe

Offline AgedCases

My ex-wife refused sex from the start of our marriage and had the nerve to say, "And don't be viewing porn on the computer as I can read cache."

Hardly surprising then that I became a punter!

Offline lillythesavage

Good grief....I must be just one of those shallow blokes who punts simply cos he likes it.


I have to admit. When I was younger and I was not getting it on with the ladies from time to time (it happens to the best of us)....it never crossed my mind to go jump off a bridge or stick my head in the gas oven because of it.
I just went with the flow and hey............I'm having sex with somebody again..


Personally speaking.....Yes I know all about the suicide statistics etc.
I worked with a young guy who threw himself off the top of a building cos he thought his life was shit.
But i think psychologically speaking you are always going to get those types who will want to end it all........just cos life is too damn difficult to get in with.
Sex or the lack of it is just another thing to deal with.

There was a whole lot of other stuff going on in my life for me to worry over on top of not getting me leg over.
My business, I wanted to travel, live for fucks sake.
If not having sex is so depressing to anyone......get a fucking life....its so easy to find.


You have been lucky and not affected and are showing a complete lack of understanding of the effects of " Life" on some people, No one is destined to throw themselves off a building, this is normal in those unaffected or not affected by a " young lad they know throwing themselves off the top floor"

The OP has told his story and probably feels better for his honesty, there is no need to diss his post because you have not been affected or do not give two fucks about others.
Good for you if you get through life doing things you like and ignoring the plight of others because it is not you, it does not make you a better person than anyone else though.

Offline The0neAnd0nly

My ex-wife refused sex from the start of our marriage and had the nerve to say, "And don't be viewing porn on the computer as I can read cache."

Hardly surprising then that I became a punter!

Should have googled "how to murder your wife and get away with it" - could have got out of it quick time!  :D

Offline elnukky

Since the 80's, boys have been raised to be 'domesticated' because women 'like' a domesticated man. There has a concerted effort to demonize masculinity and to portray men as sub-human. Young boys see this in media, and to varying degrees, they internalize these messages and try to be better than the 'bad' men that their mothers and society at large complain about.

This has lead to the phenomenon of the 'nice guy' who, is just as conceited in their virtue signalling as the 'strong independent woman'. They are both victims of a false doctrine. Yes, men could be a little more empathetic to a woman's sensibilities, and yes, women should be unencumbered in their life pursuits, but these ideas seem to lost all nuance, and are taken to zealous extremes.

The 3rd wave has been an assault on family by emasculating men while strengthening women. There are individuals in society who struggle with these new societal expectations and fail to find solace in the keeping of one's chin high, because they are facing an existential crisis rather than having a bad day.

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I was reflecting on my punting life and the terrifying statistic that male suicide is the biggest killer of men 29 - 45.  Of the many reasons cited for this was a study where close to 1,000 male suicides  were linked to sense of despair owing to denial or lack of access to sex or intimacy owing to socio economic or situational/cultural reasons compared to just over 200 female suicides.

Now, I was the guy who was not going to get the girl, no matter what I did.  Further, I realise that I was partially emasculated by the women's movement of the late 80s/90s with 'No means No' and 'Pornography is violence', later realising that this was in fact a narrative designed by women seeking leverage through restricting access to sex and to 'shame' women into denying sex as pleasure (as part of the tyranny of male patriarchy...).  The bitter truth, is that women I knew in this space, ended up partnering with men who were totally bastards but could materially support them comfortably or some pathetic man child. The point it was either a totally surrender of principles or a need for a power dynamic in their favour.

So, I am faced with a reality where, no matter what I did, I was not going to get laid, and as this persisted, the more desperate you get and that adds to your undesirability...
... ... ...


Only if you let it, tester101.

I was born shortly after WW 2 ended with a congenital disability which, if my parents and I had let it, would have had me thinking like you describe above.

I saw myself as the "little crippled boy" - to use the language of the time - who no sensible-thinking girl would ever fancy. So I kind-of reconciled myself to the fact that I'd probably die a virgin and developed a wide range of interests. And made a point of always trying to appear cheerful, no matter what I was feeling inside.

Long story short: I lived in a multi-storey block of flats as did a number of other singletons in our late 20s/early30s in white-collar jobs. One evening, I got in the lift with a letter I was taking to the town centre postbox with the late collection time. One floor later, a woman,  2 or 3 years older than me - quite fanciable, but nothing special - who taught at the local Technical College got in the lift on a similar errand. By the ground floor, we'd agreed that we'd go to the sorting office in her car and then go for a drink afterwards.

A couple of drinks later, she drove us home and persuaded me to stop off for a coffee in her flat, where for the first and only time I saw the inside of her bedroom! I went to work the next morning, knowing that I'd never have to wonder about doing the deed again :yahoo:

Fasit forward 9 or 10 years and I met the woman who I made the mistake of asking to marry me. When that collapsed after 3 or 4 years of her conducting a fairly open affair, she moved away with the bloke she'd been seeing [not quite] behind my back. Just over 18 months after that, I took my first steps into a Massage Parlour, since when I've never looked back.

The point I'm trying to make here - perhaps not very well! - is that lots of women are attracted to what they see as self-confidence. They're often looking for something different - security - than we blokes are - sex! If you can project a confident self-image - no matter what you're feeling inside - you'll have a much better chance of getting your end away!

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it's a mixed bag for me. my marriage ended when i caught my wife cheating on me and i've been unceremoniously thrown back onto the market. the simple fact of the matter is it's much easier for women to get sex than men. my wife just selected one of her many admirers at work when she decided she was done with me and with online dating even average looking women have astronomical standards given the amount of attention they get. the emphasis is on the man to compete to get their attention as ever and I find that galling. i'm decent looking, good company and financially stable, i'm not however 6ft5 with washboard abs so i'm right down the list on OLD. this only really leaves me with the old fashionned way of meeting people through work/ clubs etc and slowly building up something and the pandemic has further shitcanned that. all the while my remaining good years are just slipping away from me. maybe the universe will do me a solid at some point, but if it doesn't i have no intention of going to my grave without ever knowing a woman's touch again. as it stands i'm using this time to get my numbers up (as it were) and to get in all the debauched fare i've always been wanting to try. it isn't and never will be a substitute for a proper relationship though. so whilst this game is providing me with an occasional facsimilie of normalilty and stopping me going off the deep end, the fact that my life has come to paying for sex whilst my ex just rides off into the sunset with her new fella also eats away at me.

at the end of the day all i can do is move forwards. i don't regret cheating at a rigged game, but i also have to make sure i spend the rest of my life not getting so drunk i accidentally spill the beans or develop a toxic mindset that prevents me from ever returning to civvie life.
Very similar to my situation.
Cheating wife, nightmare divorce from hell and being left to bring up a daughter on my own at the very time in her life that she needed a mother the most.
All added up to me never wanting a relationship ever again. Trouble is I still crave female company and intimacy occasionally.
This caused me real problems for a few years until I discovered punting.
Others on this thread are correct punting isn’t real it’s a business transaction but with a good SP it can feel good and at least help you feel like you’re still alive.
It’s not for everyone as you have to keep your head straight and stay in reality.
So I do agree with the OP and say punting probably saved me too thanks to a couple of excellent regulars earlier in my punting career.
I still don’t want or need a real relationship so it must be satisfying enough for me.
SB

Offline Tender.french.kiss

Should have googled "how to murder your wife and get away with it" - could have got out of it quick time!  :D
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Offline rockstar

I punt simply because I like it. I am not a prolific punter but I enjoy it as and when I can.

Offline twotight

Now, I was the guy who was not going to get the girl, no matter what I did.  Further, I realise that I was partially emasculated by the women's movement of the late 80s/90s with 'No means No' and 'Pornography is violence', later realising that this was in fact a narrative designed by women seeking leverage through restricting access to sex and to 'shame' women into denying sex as pleasure (as part of the tyranny of male patriarchy...).  The bitter truth, is that women I knew in this space, ended up partnering with men who were totally bastards but could materially support them comfortably or some pathetic man child. The point it was either a totally surrender of principles or a need for a power dynamic in their favour.

So, I am faced with a reality where, no matter what I did, I was not going to get laid, and as this persisted, the more desperate you get and that adds to your undesirability...

Thank God for punting!!!  I suspect that had I not overriden the propaganda, and the stigma that seems to persist towards any expression of love of sex or sexual needs (seems to be a legacy of the fucking Puritans) in the UK - I would have been one of those statistics.

I had laboured over a sense of guilt, also a sense of failure that I did not have the 'goods' to secure a partner.  Thankfully I am free of that mentality, and liberated.  Liberated that I am no longer being 'bent over' by the taboos of this hypocritical and bankrupt society.  A society that would have confined me to a miserable existence and rejected any complicity in their denial of the importance and need for sex or sexual release.

it only pays of for the top 10% of men or maybe less, the rest well we just end up paying the bill for all the single mother families  :dash:
and most of the girls that are in to that are sort of "$%^$£ usually have some issues and most girls provably want the opposite of that at least on a subconscious level
my advice to you
stop acting like a beta because its not your fault and as long as you go around acting like one well to use an original metaphor the slot machine is not going to put out and wile I enjoy punting its not your only option

anyway PM if you to talk mate

Offline Hobbit

Interesting posts so I'll bite. First of all well done for not taking the easy way out.

Feminism: third wave feminism isn't an attack on men, even if it seems like it. It is an attack on the family unit. Who remembers the catchphrase "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bike"? Or the criticism of traditional housewives i.e. married women?

Nice guys: I think it's confusing, not just for men but also for women. We are told that women want sensitive men. Honestly I think that's true, but it's not the same as being a pushover. Would you date a woman with no empathy? The people I have seen who are most successful with women appear fun, extrovert and basically like people who would be great to take to a party. That doesn't make them sexy in the classic sense though. Jordan Peterson summed it up (and I don't agree with everything he says but I do on this): he mentioned the film Beauty and the Beast were a woman is looking for a man they can tame. You can see it on sexiest men lists, the men appear dangerous: Sean Connery, Denzel Washington, Oliver Reed, Mel Gibson, Dwayne Johnson.

Punting: it isn't a substitute for a relationship and a lot of people get burn out when priorities change, have shit punts or are simply not feeling sexual.

You are right and women do want men that they can tame or control. However, even when they get that they are never satisfied. They actually find the rough and tough guys more attractive in my opinion and some psychological analysis has been done on that to prove that..

Offline Redpunter

I punt because at 60 my wife closed the door to the sweetie shop.
She announced no more sex and when I protested she said go get it somewhere else.
I held out for five years then went one day for a Thai massage and haven't looked back.
Still happily married with no sex, I think shes aware I get it elsewhere but she probably thinks its a bit on the side not the beautiful young ladies who are very fond of old cock or a lest the old cock money and will take it anyway I want it with no complaints.
She would occasionally reach over in bed to find the old cock but then again she made the rules.