Challenging The Dodgy.

[pumps]

I agree with this concern.  We need to challenge bullshit in both directions.  The fact that we have a name for member B in the first scenario (a white knight), but we have no name for the second, shows the bias.

But in some ways it is because we are actually all prossie lovers.  We are the ones who fund this hobby.  UKP members spent more than 1.5 million pounds on punts (that we know of) last year.We are very appreciative of good escorts and in fact we say it a lot.  Good escorts really like UKP. So when a member reports a bad experience, we tend to listen.  And often the 'bad words' are not that she is a poor escort, but rather something factual about her looks or service to consider, or an event that happened.

Also to add to steely Dans post which I agree with mostly, I think glasscentre2 has simplified it a bit too much as imo finding undesirables is a science. 

It might not look like it but punters don't challenge others without doing abit of research  e.g. membership length, review contributions, prossies previous reviews from established members & importantly a brisk look through that punters previous posts (which say alot).

Only then do you challenge a posters intentions, and we have quite a good success rate at weeding out the turds with most of them being previously banned anyway. 

[Plan R]

The slightly harsh atmosphere here is a good thing.
Been posting here for under a year, certainly tread carefully and would hate to get a ban.
I amaze myself at the level of high regard I have for this bloomin site !

[vw]

does anyone think 67 reviews all positive no negative is a dodgy red flag or just buy the same lottery numbers as that punter ?

[Brazilian Martian]

does anyone think 67 reviews all positive no negative is a dodgy red flag or just buy the same lottery numbers as that punter ?

Whoever that is must be a very good punter, I second that I want him to pick me numbers for the Euro millions this Tuesdays it's a 30 million rollover

[vw]

Whoever that is must be a very good punter, I second that I want him to pick me numbers for the Euro millions this Tuesdays it's a 30 million rollover

Seems is the luckiest punter in the world, he is a back slapper aLSO, maybe slap his back and he will give you the numbers

[mikexxlong]

All these creepy manipulative cunts
Are banes on the punting world for many reasons
And some of these nasty cretins are not beyond outing or attempting to out other punters
In retaliation or to maintain “control” within their unsavoury little world
Just Like fucking vermin some vermin are more crafty or better adapted thus harder to get rid of compared to others

[mrfishyfoo]

Well guess what....seems we've got something dodgy going off on the Yorkshire board so we've challenged it. Now we wait to see if the OP has the balls to stand by their post or just fucks off and proves to us that infact it's a bullshit review posted by the pro$$ie herself or her pimp.

[stevedave]

does anyone think 67 reviews all positive no negative is a dodgy red flag or just buy the same lottery numbers as that punter ?

Or just someone who is very, very easily satisfied.

[baranabus96]

does anyone think 67 reviews all positive no negative is a dodgy red flag or just buy the same lottery numbers as that punter ?

simple way to find out, check the reviews of whoever he is reviewing.

If all or most of them seem to be really good then fair enough. But if a lot of them have mixed or negative reviews then either they are likely a bit fluffy or full of shit.

[vw]

simple way to find out, check the reviews of whoever he is reviewing.

If all or most of them seem to be really good then fair enough. But if a lot of them have mixed or negative reviews then either they are likely a bit fluffy or full of shit.

Bit fluffy i think, doubt they like posing anything negative, could be wrong though may have a 2nd account here for negatives,  admin mentioned 20 ish people have 2 accounts with permission.

[mikexxlong]

Or just someone who is very, very easily satisfied.

The problem with those that are far too easily satisfied /pleased

is just the sight of a whore Simply dropping their knickers emits a ray of sunshine
And they hallucinate an encounter of over flowing sexual ecstasy,
 
Thus compelled to write a grossly over exaggerated positive review.

I’m a little Unsure if they and the fluffy cunts are one of the same?

Although perhaps the main difference is;

 The easily pleased walk away from a punt feeling good and positive about it
 and write a review reflecting that in innocence?

Whereas a fluffy is more a mental illness a creepy obsessive, besotted mentality
bordering on stalker behaviour and the whore can’t do no wrong in their eyes?

in both cases the End result is it gives some pro$$ie’s far more credit than they deserve.

But ironically once the white knight/ fluffy slimeballs latch on to a prossie
it can have a very detrimental effect on that whores “career” even personnel life!

[Brazilian Martian]

The problem with those that are far too easily satisfied /pleased

is just the sight of a whore Simply dropping their knickers emits a ray of sunshine
And they hallucinate an encounter of over flowing sexual ecstasy,
 
Thus compelled to write a grossly over exaggerated positive review.

I’m a little Unsure if they and the fluffy cunts are one of the same?

Although perhaps the main difference is;

 The easily pleased walk away from a punt feeling good and positive about it
 and write a review reflecting that in innocence?

Whereas a fluffy is more a mental illness a creepy obsessive, besotted mentality
bordering on stalker behaviour and the whore can’t do no wrong in their eyes?

in both cases the End result is it gives some pro$$ie’s far more credit than they deserve.

But ironically once the white knight/ fluffy slimeballs latch on to a prossie
it can have a very detrimental effect on that whores “career” even personnel life!

Brilliant post

[Home Alone]

I recently posted a FR on here which I gave a Positive to.  Discussing it privately a couple of weeks later with a colleague from here, I said I thought I'd been a bit generous and it was probably a Neutral - sorry; there's no Grey on here!

I think an experience like that proves the wise words of tcm some weeks ago about not posting an FR until you've let some time for the experience to become a memory.  [I'm paraphrasing, rather than digging out the actual post tcm made!]  The longer you leave between the experience and the FR, the more likely the FR is to be useful.

[vw]

The longer you leave between the experience and the FR, the more likely the FR is to be useful.

But the fluffies claim they cannot remember that far as a get out of jail card.

Well message to the fluffies if you cannot remember it 2 weeks later it was nothing special and rate accordingly.

[baranabus96]

But the fluffies claim they cannot remember that far as a get out of jail card.

Well message to the fluffies if you cannot remember it 2 weeks later it was nothing special and rate accordingly.

I've started waiting a week or two before doing my reviews after my disastrous sally review, she did some things that I realised afterwards were blatantly deserving of a negative but I was still in that post punt haze when I wrote the review so my mind was clouded.

+ 1 for your message to the fluffies, I still remember what was good and bad about all my punts for the last few months and a bit from my first time punting almost two years ago as well.

[southampton.guy]

does anyone think 67 reviews all positive no negative is a dodgy red flag?

its not often i agree with virtualwaster, - i though my postive to negative/neutral rate was good but 67:0 is making even me a little surprised.

with regards to mikexxlong's comment re "easily pleased" - well isn.t that a personal and subjective view? I don.t consider that i am easily pleased as i.m quite specific in what i want but it might be very different to what you want. Who is right? well, neither of us. its what we want, what works for us. and the WG meeting that need (providing its within her advertised service)

for me, i prefer (so called) GFE more than PSE but i have specific requirements within the generalised accepted boundaries of GFE. i also think, done well, a good BJ is actually better than penetrative sex. but that's just my personal opinion and likes. And thats what i do most of the time (but occasionally, something a little different is nice)

does that make me a "fluffy"? If so, i plead guilty.

As a few others have siad, I do think its important to be honest in reviews (and all posting) and agree it works (or should work) BOTH ways.

[mikexxlong]

with regards to mikexxlong's comment re "easily pleased" - well isn.t that a personal and subjective view? I don.t consider that i am easily pleased as i.m quite specific in what i want but it might be very different to what you want. Who is right? well, neither of us. its what we want, what works for us. and the WG meeting that need (providing its within her advertised service)

Read the post
Regards easily pleased it says;

The easily pleased walk away from a punt feeling good and positive about it
 And write a review reflecting that in innocence?

In other words in all probability it was a genuine positive experience for them,
 but for a more grounded punter the exact same punt might be at the very best a neutral review on the forum

Yes punts are subjective to the individual, but there are most definitely different categories of punter
 some of which are undesirable as they undermine the ethos and integrity of the forum amongst other things

[mrhappypants]

Smiths, thank you for this post. It resonates.  Since I started posting in 2013 I think I have been very, perhaps too, active in calling out posts and reviews that I think fail the sniff test. 

When I started there was a regular stream of reviews that completely lacked balance and I dismissed as adverts.  I have been and still am active in calling these out and raising a question mark to their authenticity, although I have learned to this in a more humorous and less provocative way. 

Similarly, there is a repeated pattern of fantacist timewaisters who post stupid questions of the ilk "I have two dicks, does anyone know a working girls with two pussies?"  These are blindingly obvious fakes but they still string the board along. 

I find UKP invaluable.  I am late to punting and would not have been able to get the rewards of the hobby without the education provided by UKP.  I want to make it clear that when I criticise posts and fuckers on the board, I am NOT criticising UKP.

Thanks for raising this subject.  To keep UKP strong I think we need to encourage criticism and scrutiny.

[cueball]

Whilst I agree that nobody has a complete 100% success rate at punting. If you're using ukp properly then you should see a significant improvement in your success.

I do and have since I joined.

By using ukp properly, I mean... reading the reviews, doing your homework, listening to advice and acting on good or bad recommendations.

For every lass I see, I've probably rejected around 5 profiles for a variety of reasons. This hobby is far too expensive to be a constant gamble, yes, it's punting but you can improve your odds.

On here.... You get out what you put in though.

[vw]

its not often i agree with virtualwaster, - i though my postive to negative/neutral rate was good but 67:0 is making even me a little surprised.

Make up your own mind how lucky.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=16123

[Silver Birch]

does anyone think 67 reviews all positive no negative is a dodgy red flag or just buy the same lottery numbers as that punter ?

Thanks to UKP, I can honestly say I have only had positive punts in the last 2 years. Is that a miracle?

No, but of course there will be some element of luck. I put it down to research and careful planning. I try not to take the risks of TOFTT. I choose carefully to make sure they offer what I want, and pretty much only punt with girls that are well reviewed on here. Some are the current darlings of that time, and there seems little point in adding my own review that offers nothing new (but it would increase my balance of positive reviews).

I don't punt that much compared to many on here, so that will reduce the risk, but not having a bad punt since 2014 might make some look at me suspiciously 

[vw]

Thanks to UKP, I can honestly say I have only had positive punts in the last 2 years. Is that a miracle?

No, but of course there will be some element of luck. I put it down to research and careful planning. I try not to take the risks of TOFTT. I choose carefully to make sure they offer what I want, and pretty much only punt with girls that are well reviewed on here. Some are the current darlings of that time, and there seems little point in adding my own review that offers nothing new (but it would increase my balance of positive reviews).

I don't punt that much compared to many on here, so that will reduce the risk, but not having a bad punt since 2014 might make some look at me suspiciously 

the one i mentioned has 800+ aw feedback as uses the same name on there, luck or what

[Silver Birch]

the one i mentioned has 800+ aw feedback as uses the same name on there, luck or what

A punter with 800+ AW feedback    Holy shit!

[vw]

A punter with 800+ AW feedback    Holy shit!

and 67 here and not w negative in sight, as is said get lottery number off them.

[southampton.guy]

Make up your own mind how lucky.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=16123

I was agreeing with you VW!

[mikexxlong]

and 67 here and not w negative in sight, as is said get lottery number off them.

 67 positives on here and 800+ AW feedback
fuck me do the maths on that

I wonder what Category of punter they fall into?

[vw]

67 positives on here and 800+ AW feedback
fuck me do the maths on that

I wonder what Category of punter they fall into?

Lucky or doesn't disclose negatives, hope its lucky but fear it is not.

[mediumjoe]

 By God he's a busy boy, punts nearly every other day,23 FB in November.  Shagging for England.

   It's quite possible that he only tells us about his good ones, some people are like that, personally I think the negatives  are more important than the positives.   Joe

[mikexxlong]

Lucky or doesn't disclose negatives, hope its lucky but fear it is not.

With those kind of numbers
If it’s not luck then the other alternatives I can think of are maybe

Easily pleased/satisfied

Too scared to post Negs as identity known etc.

Reviews for favours

[vw]

By God he's a busy boy, punts nearly every other day,23 FB in November.  Shagging for England.

   It's quite possible that he only tells us about his good ones, some people are like that, personally I think the negatives  are more important than the positives.   Joe

Exactly, hence the mention on the dodgy punters thread.

[smiths]

Make up your own mind how lucky.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=16123

There is a reviewer on here with nearly 100 reviews and only 1 negative among them plus 3-4 Neutrals.

[mrfishyfoo]

There is a reviewer on here with nearly 100 reviews and only 1 negative among them plus 3-4 Neutrals.

WTF !!! That's one hell of a high hit rate !!!

[mrhappypants]

The recent focus that this thread has taken comes as no surprise to me.  I have long thought particularly contributors have an "interesting" track record.

Look at the pattern of the reviews, who is being reviewed repeatedly and how all the girls reviewed seem to know each other (if you follow who duo's with who over time).

[claretandblue]

The recent focus that this thread has taken comes as no surprise to me.  I have long thought particularly contributors have an "interesting" track record.

Look at the pattern of the reviews, who is being reviewed repeatedly and how all the girls reviewed seem to know each other (if you follow who duo's with who over time).

+1 ,no need to be a rocket scientist to work out who you mean 

[cueball]

+1 ,no need to be a rocket scientist to work out who you mean 

I'm no rocket scientist..... i don't know who you mean 

Just tell us... even if it's me 

It'd be far easier to name as I'm up and down looking in all directions 

[southampton.guy]

Read the post
Regards easily pleased it says;

The easily pleased walk away from a punt feeling good and positive about it
 And write a review reflecting that in innocence?

In other words in all probability it was a genuine positive experience for them,
 but for a more grounded punter the exact same punt might be at the very best a neutral review on the forum

Yes punts are subjective to the individual, but there are most definitely different categories of punter
 some of which are undesirable as they undermine the ethos and integrity of the forum amongst other things

i,m sorry mikexxlong but i still don.t understand your point. so are you saying that if a guy books a girl, her profile and pics are accurate, and she delivers a good service in line with what the punter wants,  then there are still cirumstances where he should NOT rate the review as positive ....because he did not want the same services from her that you think he should have? ....because that not what a "real punter" would want?

perhaps you could expand on what you mean when you say ....."definitely different categories of punter, some of which are undesirable". Pleasae tell me and others who are or rather what type of punter are you talking about?

is this site not for ALL punters, providing they are honest and genuine in their comments (whether a formal review or in the forum)? People are different. Punters are different. surely you are not suggesting that other punters have to conform to your idea of a punter and like what you like and do it your way or they are not a real punter and should not be a member here?

[vw]

I'm no rocket scientist..... i don't know who you mean 

Just tell us... even if it's me 

It'd be far easier to name as I'm up and down looking in all directions 

Post a  link if naming Fluffies is to scary. 

[mrhappypants]

Make up your own mind how lucky.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=16123

+1

[mikexxlong]

i,m sorry mikexxlong but i still don.t understand your point. so are you saying that if a guy books a girl, her profile and pics are accurate, and she delivers a good service in line with what the punter wants,  then there are still cirumstances where he should NOT rate the review as positive ....because he did not want the same services from her that you think he should have? ....because that not what a "real punter" would want?

perhaps you could expand on what you mean when you say ....."definitely different categories of punter, some of which are undesirable". Pleasae tell me and others who are or rather what type of punter are you talking about?

is this site not for ALL punters, providing they are honest and genuine in their comments (whether a formal review or in the forum)? People are different. Punters are different. surely you are not suggesting that other punters have to conform to your idea of a punter and like what you like and do it your way or they are not a real punter and should not be a member here?

It is explained enough in the posts
But you have difficulty comprehending because you are ignorant or trolling

But since I feel all compassionate today I will break it down to the most simplistic form I can
 using forum vernacular and  as few words as I can, so here goes

Easily pleased/satisfied okay .No agendas, no obsessions just low standards compared to the majority

Fluffys BAD .Have agendas, obsessive, Fixation, touting, creepy etc.

As for the different categories of punter, just look at the Banning list for some clues
In the context of this post you will find white knight, fluffy, tout and undesirable among that list
for the reasons for the banning as they are not welcome on the forum
Because they undermine the integrity of the site and use it as a vehicle for their own creepy means
 some of which is downright sinister and dangerous to punters and pro$$ie's

So hope that helps, now go and rub yourself up someone else’s leg

[hendrix]

The worst are those who pretend to be anti-fluffy, often very vocally, and then you find out that they're discussing other punters with prossies

[mikexxlong]

The worst are those who pretend to be anti-fluffy, often very vocally, and then you find out that they're discussing other punters with prossies

Yes quite agree hypocrites, two faced creeps are despicable

Doesn’t sound good at all makes you wonder why they are asking pro$$ie’s about punters in the first place?
Are these UKP members being asked about? And if you know of the members? doing this perhaps challenge them over it,
 name and shame or contact admin as a banning maybe in order?

[Midori]

I know I'm an SP and barely tolerated, but to put in my pennies worth, I would rather know that the reviews about me are fair and an honest reflection of myself. Negatives, neutrals and even a comment on a positive can be used as impetus to improve. Also, without the ability to challenge a review and post negatives, it would undermine the validity of the positive reviews on here and render them worthless.

I know I was sparring with VW earlier (you were a worthy opponent  ) but as he rightfully said (to paraphrase) if you do not challenge you do not get clarification or more information sharing and that goes for both sides.

[vw]

I know I'm an SP and barely tolerated, but to put in my pennies worth, I would rather know that the reviews about me are fair and an honest reflection of myself. Negatives, neutrals and even a comment on a positive can be used as impetus to improve. Also, without the ability to challenge a review and post negatives, it would undermine the validity of the positive reviews on here and render them worthless.

I know I was sparring with VW earlier (you were a worthy opponent  ) but as he rightfully said (to paraphrase) if you do not challenge you do not get clarification or more information sharing and that goes for both sides.

Look forward to you challenging the dodgy or at least reporting them to the boss. 

[Shearer1955]

The system on here now is excellent; admin does his job with invaluable assistance from the more experienced contributors of UKP who can often "out" the fanboys & touts with their knowledge of what to look for.

No system is perfect and some malcontents get through but the operational side works extremely well and it is the credit of the regulars that for the most part reviews and comments can be trusted. It should always be remembered that this site is to benefit the punter and there are those who will always try to undermine it because of their own agendas.

All power to UKP because in effect it is the bedrock which allows punters to have their say and one of the very few sites which helps to balance the  alternate views offered elsewhere. 

[joe diddley]

The worst are those who pretend to be anti-fluffy, often very vocally, and then you find out that they're discussing other punters with prossies

Agree with that. With regard to the white knights, some are just congenitally deluded and should be banned, but I suspect some are new to the game that just need a little time to lose that 'new punter EAS' and all they need is a bit of piss-taking from the more learned members here. I wouldn't seek to ban those in the latter category but I accept that in many cases it's a fine line.

[Bangers and Gash]

Look forward to you challenging the dodgy or at least reporting them to the boss. 

Agreed, but be careful who you challenge or report to the gaffer, as certain member(s) on here think they're above suspicion and won't hesitate throwing their toys out the pram.

 

[Hertsgent]

It is explained enough in the posts
But you have difficulty comprehending because you are ignorant or trolling

But since I feel all compassionate today I will break it down to the most simplistic form I can
 using forum vernacular and  as few words as I can, so here goes

Easily pleased/satisfied okay .No agendas, no obsessions just low standards compared to the majority

Fluffys BAD .Have agendas, obsessive, Fixation, touting, creepy etc.

As for the different categories of punter, just look at the Banning list for some clues
In the context of this post you will find white knight, fluffy, tout and undesirable among that list
for the reasons for the banning as they are not welcome on the forum
Because they undermine the integrity of the site and use it as a vehicle for their own creepy means
 some of which is downright sinister and dangerous to punters and pro$$ie's

So hope that helps, now go and rub yourself up someone else’s leg

Agree with a lot of what is on this thread before I get  vilified but......that's a lot of opinion above and comment for someone with a massive 3 reviews in 18 months of membership 

[vw]

Agree with a lot of what is on this thread before I get  vilified but......that's a lot of opinion above and comment for someone with a massive 3 reviews in 18 months of membership 

Are you still upset about this ?

Slagging off anyone with an alternative point of view, smearing them as a fluffy or white knight, and bringing up your crowd of supporting buddies on the topic to validate your point of view and/or hide behind.....is not healthy 

You never answered who sparta's buddies were in the end ?   

[Hertsgent]

Not at all VW, and if you remember I also said on that thread that I'd failed to notice the earlier review/non review confusion. I can always run my posts by you first if you want to check they are acceptable ?

[mikexxlong]

Agree with a lot of what is on this thread before I get  vilified but......that's a lot of opinion above and comment for someone with a massive 3 reviews in 18 months of membership 

And ? i dont see anywhere in the rules of the site that you must post x amount of reviews per week/month/year

but just for the record i have no current need to punt  so haven't hence no reviews
or do you think i should waste a shit load of money just for the sake of it ?,

but i have plenty of punting experience long before this forum existed
and i give to the forum in other ways such as advice etc

but you can carry on and impress the heck out of me by posting reviews to your hearts content
 
the post you quote was a reply to a trolling prick who just so happened to be Slagging off UKP on UKE who is now banned,
 
that aside what is your fucking problem, did it touch a nerve or you just fancy a bit of trolling, maybe a closet undesirable?
 you bell end