Is punting better today compared to the last 30 years?

[Sparta Prada]

I have been doing this hobby since the late 80s, and am thinking if this is now the best period for punting during my lifetime?

The biggest advance is obviously the use of the internet which has spawned Adultwork, which for all it's faults is still the leading resource to find girls. UKP has improved the  punting experience for everyone who uses the site correctly. There's smartphone technology meaning we can keep in contact with SPs via messaging, and find locations a little bit easier via GPS.

The other difference is having more girls available than ever before. I do think the influx of non-UK providers has improved things. Younger prettier girls is more of a standard now than ever. And when I think of the prices I paid in the late 80s, bearing in mind how much the cost of living in general has increased in 30 years, you certainly get more bang for your buck now.
 
Some things never change: girls that lie about their appearance, lying about the services offered, age, poor quality punts. But ultimately, punting is a much better experience now than at any other time.

Agree or disagree?

[Jimmyredcab]

Adultwork is overflowing with crap, thousands of Romanian skanks and thousands of headless photos, the problem is that there is no viable alternative.

I found punting better in the 80's and 90's, there were lots of brothels in my area which no longer exist, yes, the maids told lies but I would simply "walk".

Regarding prices, they have hardly moved in the last 15 years, my first review in 2001 -------- on another forum, shows that I paid £100 an hour, it is still possible to pay that today.

[Sparta Prada]

Adultwork is overflowing with crap

I don't disagree with that statement, but by treating AW as a numbers game, it also means there more good SPs available than ever before.

[Jimmyredcab]

I don't disagree with that statement, but by treating AW as a numbers game, it also means there more good SPs available than ever before.

I much preferred the brothel scene --------------- maybe you remember "Gigglesgirls" in Ilford owned by Sunni Tara, good quality girls at sensible prices in a comfortable flat.     

[Sparta Prada]

I much preferred the brothel scene --------------- maybe you remember "Gigglesgirls" in Ilford owned by Sunni Tara, good quality girls at sensible prices in a comfortable flat.     

Despite living reasonably near to Ilford I never had the pleasure of going to GigglesGirls! I exchanged a few messages with Sunni T at one point on the other site and in terms of looks (slim, tanned blonde IIRC?) she was right up my street. She also had the Scottish girl and the girl from Bali(?), both looked like a lot of fun.

The brothel scene was never my cup of tea. And after watching A Very British Brothel it did nothing to improve my thoughts on that..!

[wristjob]

Adultwork is overflowing with crap, thousands of Romanian skanks and thousands of headless photos, the problem is that there is no viable alternative.

I found punting better in the 80's and 90's, there were lots of brothels in my area which no longer exist, yes, the maids told lies but I would simply "walk".

Regarding prices, they have hardly moved in the last 15 years, my first review in 2001 -------- on another forum, shows that I paid £100 an hour, it is still possible to pay that today.

Easy enough to exclude 90% of the Romanians by excluding the nationality, and that's what AW would be like without them - half the girls.

Your points are all valid but you are excluding certain facts.

You can still walk from your £100/h booking, so realistically you can take that chance, treat AW like a brothel and walk if you don't like.
UKP and other resources do a lot to filter out the trash, and probably force a lot of girls to make more of an effort.
£100 in 2001 is £150 now (BOE website), so either punting is 2/3 the price, or you aren't comparing like with like.

[Jimmyredcab]

Despite living reasonably near to Ilford I never had the pleasure of going to GigglesGirls! I exchanged a few messages with Sunni T at one point on the other site and in terms of looks (slim, tanned blonde IIRC?) she was right up my street. She also had the Scottish girl and the girl from Bali(?), both looked like a lot of fun.

The brothel scene was never my cup of tea. And after watching A Very British Brothel it did nothing to improve my thoughts on that..!

I don't regard that as a "typical" brothel.   

[Jonestown]

For me the best times were between the Internet becoming established and the introduction of photoshopping, only a few years but there were some great girls around, after that any dog could get themselves done up to look half good.

[Jimmyredcab]

For me the best times were between the Internet becoming established and the introduction of photoshopping, only a few years but there were some great girls around, after that any dog could get themselves done up to look half good.

Agencies are the worst offenders, it is rare to see genuine untouched photos on agency websites.

[Jonestown]

Agencies are the worst offenders, it is rare to see genuine untouched photos on agency websites.

It is now, but it wasn't always like that

[LurkNoMore]

For me its now. I have been punting for 20 years now and when i started i was only looking at daily sport massage section and trying to find a girl in my area.

Things got better with %%% but without photos you could never get a good idea.

The combination of AW and here is great as i can search AW and then confirm on here and know what i am getting. Yes there is a lot of crap but its all about putting a spam filter on your cock 

[MilleMiglia]

Adultwork is overflowing with crap, thousands of Romanian skanks and thousands of headless photos, the problem is that there is no viable alternative.

I found punting better in the 80's and 90's, there were lots of brothels in my area which no longer exist, yes, the maids told lies but I would simply "walk".

Regarding prices, they have hardly moved in the last 15 years, my first review in 2001 -------- on another forum, shows that I paid £100 an hour, it is still possible to pay that today.

Prices in my area for parlours have been static at £120 since 1998-99.

[NIK]

I'm not sure whether it has got better or worse.
It could be that it just seems worse to me because I am so much more choosy. Also am not prepared to take the risks I once did.
Certainly had a lot of crap in the past, but some good uns too.

[Spacecowb0y]

I much preferred the brothel scene --------------- maybe you remember "Gigglesgirls" in Ilford owned by Sunni Tara, good quality girls at sensible prices in a comfortable flat.     

Blimey JRC- something we actually agree on :-)
Giggles and Wiggle's were a good (honest) brothel one could go to and unload.

[GreyDave]

   I started in the walk ups in the 70`s and to be fair the prices have not gone up much there 1st shag was £10. Yes there were more girls working in the flats but it did feel really seedy and unsafe with lots of druggies about Phil Linotto of Thin Lizzy wrote a song "when your solo down in soho there is no hope no how"  It is now a flash safe tourist infested place . with the odd good shag.
Indy Girls now are so much easier to find and choice is fan bloody tastic .What ever you fancy you can find.   

Some of my shitty ist times have been in Brothels  and I just cant see why guys like them they are the experts in Rub & Tug girls that clock on and clock out mentally and do the job as one said to me. The Party and swinger scene is maybe the best thing improved over this time . regrettably with the experience the ability has diminished    I posted awhile ago saying I think we are in "The Golden Age "of British/ World punting as WG`s come from around the world to earn a huge amount compared with what is possible at home in the depressed regions of this planet

[Horizontal pleasures]

I liked the contact mags especially Rendezvous in the 1970s into the 1980s. My first ever oral on her, and oral without, and CIM.

Cynthia Payne's parties were delicious events.

I liked the mystery of regional newspaper small ads which allowed a punt at short notice and usually produced someone local and fun. I rarely walked.

Oh yes and ads in the Daily Sport, does that still exist?

I rarely go to parlours now but in the 1980s and early 1990s in the NW whoopee.

[Doc_lurv77]

I started in the Mid 90's when all you had was a few adverts in the back of the daily sports for escorts.
None of this internet and long emails back and forth or text messages.
Back then it was 1 phone call, a chat with the lady on the phone for a couple of mins and that's all you had to go on until she arrived and knocked on the door to see what she's like in the flesh.  Having said that, it was much much easier then.  There was no risk of being ripped off.  It was simple and straight forward.
Now, in Leeds, its so bad.  All the genuine ladies from back then have retired, and now the new crop of generation, its just anyone and everyone who's short of a penny that gets into the game. 

[welshman]

I think there is one way the punting scene has changed is the introduction of the GFE. Previously you got the rubber glove experience where punters where limited what they could do eg no kissing or hugging. I remember in one parlour I asked if I could give a massage back and I was refused. In another parlour I had to pay extra to give reverse oral. I feel this was a major disadvantage with punting. Now you can do things like kissing and hugging and do the things you would do with a partner which is a major benefit for punters. I am currently single, have had no luck finding a partner which means WGs are the only sexual contact available to me. The advantage of the GFE is that punters in my position no longer miss out on the things they would do with a partner when visiting WGs.

[Horizontal pleasures]

I think there is one way the punting scene has changed is the introduction of the GFE. Previously you got the rubber glove experience where punters where limited what they could do eg no kissing or hugging. I remember in one parlour I asked if I could give a massage back and I was refused. In another parlour I had to pay extra to give reverse oral. I feel this was a major disadvantage with punting. Now you can do things like kissing and hugging and do the things you would do with a partner which is a major benefit for punters. I am currently single, have had no luck finding a partner which means WGs are the only sexual contact available to me. The advantage of the GFE is that punters in my position no longer miss out on the things they would do with a partner when visiting WGs.

I look forward to your reviews so we can share the experiences, good and not so good.

[smiths]

I have been doing this hobby since the late 80s, and am thinking if this is now the best period for punting during my lifetime?

The biggest advance is obviously the use of the internet which has spawned Adultwork, which for all it's faults is still the leading resource to find girls. UKP has improved the  punting experience for everyone who uses the site correctly. There's smartphone technology meaning we can keep in contact with SPs via messaging, and find locations a little bit easier via GPS.

The other difference is having more girls available than ever before. I do think the influx of non-UK providers has improved things. Younger prettier girls is more of a standard now than ever. And when I think of the prices I paid in the late 80s, bearing in mind how much the cost of living in general has increased in 30 years, you certainly get more bang for your buck now.
 
Some things never change: girls that lie about their appearance, lying about the services offered, age, poor quality punts. But ultimately, punting is a much better experience now than at any other time.

Agree or disagree?

Its got better in my experiences but UKP magnifies the good and bad WGs so it can look like its worse than pre-net. Not the case for me. A/W has got significantly worse in the last 18 months to 2 years in my area though.

[hardtoplease]

First punt ever was at the famous Bubbles parlour in Glasgow, 25+ years ago. A seedy, shitty, prefab built place off the main road in Giffnock where you could get a half hour suck-and-fuck for £40-£50 with a £10 "entry fee". Back then, it was really only the parlours and you usually had a few girls to choose from so you could at least have a look before you bought. I think back then I had less poor punts than I do now.

Has the internet made things better? Easier, that's for sure, but not so convinced it's better. Like everything else its made for more choice and competition. But its also made it easier for a real skank to get a profile on AW, hang up a green light and cause punters a lot of grief when you turn up and discover the photos have been stolen from another site and the girl is actually ten years older, 3 stone fatter and has less than half her own teeth! 

Typically I travel to Glasgow, which is a 70 mile round trip for me and I've been let down so often. I now tend to keep to either girls I've found and know (but that spoils the whole punting scene when you can get a different girl every time) or I use agency girls. Even then, that's no guarantee of quality.

I'm going on a sex tour next week in the North east. Do this a couple of times a year, stay in a hotel for two nights, book a couple of girls from an agency and perhaps pick up the odd half hour booking on AW to fill in the time. That's what the internet has created - choice and to make it easier to spend your dosh.

[Home Alone]

I think there is one way the punting scene has changed is the introduction of the GFE. Previously you got the rubber glove experience where punters where limited what they could do eg no kissing or hugging. I remember in one parlour I asked if I could give a massage back and I was refused. In another parlour I had to pay extra to give reverse oral. I feel this was a major disadvantage with punting. Now you can do things like kissing and hugging and do the things you would do with a partner which is a major benefit for punters. I am currently single, have had no luck finding a partner which means WGs are the only sexual contact available to me. The advantage of the GFE is that punters in my position no longer miss out on the things they would do with a partner when visiting WGs.

Reading posts like this make me realise how lucky I was that I didn't begin punting till 2004.

If I'd started punting in the '90s, I'd have thought in the words of the song, "Is that all there is?" and probably given up.  And missed out on all the developments there have been since then.

[Deepstroker]

I think the hayday of punting in Manchester was maybe 10 years ago. Now? well its full of frauds and prmia donnas who think they are worth a fortune, and they apparently are.

[stevedave]

Reading posts like this make me realise how lucky I was that I didn't begin punting till 2004.

If I'd started punting in the '90s, I'd have thought in the words of the song, "Is that all there is?" and probably given up.  And missed out on all the developments there have been since then.

Agreed. I started at about the same time - if GFE hadn't been an option, I'd probably not have dived head first into it (or at least not anywhere near as frequently).

[mrpeterman]

Yes undoubtedly....

Hot polish, Latvian Russian etc girls here due to freedom of movement sites like aw etc reflecting marketplace , sites like here where able to share/glean advice, news, warnings etc,,

Undoubtly so much better when compared with back page adverts the only line of advice or phone box cards to locate girls, or even crazily a drive through local red.lidht area

However the highs now and the lows now are nowhere near the same back then...

It's all about the sour and the sweet... The sweet is never as sweet unless you tasted the sour

[Gordon Bennett]

I can't comment, not even 3 years under my belt. Interesting and illuminating thread though. Still under the heading "punting" but not looking just at girls...... Although it's a solitary hobby that you can't really chew the fat about with your friends/family, I don't feel in the least bit odd, sordid or a "dirty old man"  because Punter forums give me a sense of 1000s of like-minded guys out there. But, years ago, I get the feeling I might have got a bit hung up or developed some sort of shame or complex about punting.
Sorry if that sounds a bit deep! Its just I can't get my head around "living with myself" as a Punter back then without the outlet of forums like this.

[cueball]

For me, in the area I used to punt in then it's way better than it was 20 years ago (can't comment on 30).

I were nowhere near as prolific as I am these days though. That's not just down to standards/lasses or punting as such.

More disposable income has made a huge difference to my own punting.

[claretandblue]

I am a regular punter of only five years but I generally enjoy going to nice hotels or serviced apartments on my punts, don't think I would have enjoyed having to mainly use brothels

[dobob]

Reading posts like this make me realise how lucky I was that I didn't begin punting till 2004.

If I'd started punting in the '90s, I'd have thought in the words of the song, "Is that all there is?" and probably given up.  And missed out on all the developments there have been since then.

You (and several others in this thread) are about a decade out. The World WIde Web was invented in 1989.  Escort information sites on the Web (or other earlier Internet technology) started to flourish in the early 90's. Independent escorts and agencies offering a private in-call or out-call experience became very common. Anyone visiting a brothel or parlour after that time was doing so out of choice or ignorance.

In my view, the scene for independent ladies has got much worse in London and the South East in the last 10 years or so. In Berkshire at least, I think this is largely because the local Old Bill finally became computer semi-literate and decided to gain kudos with prudish politicians by stamping down on our innocent pleasures (no doubt keeping one or two of the best for the private consumption of themselves and the prudish politicians). It's not an ideal example, but in the late 90s, Judys Mature Escort club (External Link/Members Only) always used always to be advertising 5 to 10 very good ladies in their mid 30s or early 40s within easy driving distance of Reading.  Not any more!

Cheers!

[Neal69]

I have explained before that I have had two phases of punting in my life.

First when I was young, working overseas and horny. Just had pumps and dumps as that was all that seemed to be available.

Then later a sexless existence led me to trying AW about 5 years ago.

If the experience in later years had been the same as my earlier experiences then I would probably settled on 2 or three punts a year.

As it is I am a 2 to 3 times a month man now.

As I see it the GFE was a game changer, certainly for me anyway.

Yes a passionless punt is satisfying now and again as there is a "dirty/seedy" side to this hobby  but to have a good SP give you the Illusion that she is really into it herself and actually wants to be shagged by a guy twice her age is what has kept me in this particular saddle.

N

[Horizontal pleasures]

You (and several others in this thread) are about a decade out. The World WIde Web was invented in 1989.  Escort information sites on the Web (or other earlier Internet technology) started to flourish in the early 90's. Independent escorts and agencies offering a private in-call or out-call experience became very common. Anyone visiting a brothel or parlour after that time was doing so out of choice or ignorance.

In my view, the scene for independent ladies has got much worse in London and the South East in the last 10 years or so. In Berkshire at least, I think this is largely because the local Old Bill finally became computer semi-literate and decided to gain kudos with prudish politicians by stamping down on our innocent pleasures (no doubt keeping one or two of the best for the private consumption of themselves and the prudish politicians). It's not an ideal example, but in the late 90s, Judys Mature Escort club (External Link/Members Only) always used always to be advertising 5 to 10 very good ladies in their mid 30s or early 40s within easy driving distance of Reading.  Not any more!

Cheers!

I was online exchanging professional information with American colleagues in California (of course!) in late 1987 on my first Mac.

More to the point is Aunt Judy, yes, I remember that agency and used it a few times, not cheap. But I looked now and cannot find the prices? BIG thanks, HP

[dobob]

More to the point is Aunt Judy, yes, I remember that agency and used it a few times, not cheap. But I looked now and cannot find the prices? BIG thanks, HP

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the "BIG thanks" bit. What did I do wrong?

[od13218]

I started punting in the late 80s as a young inexperienced guy- walk ups, cards in phone boxes, massage parlours and the occasional contact mag. Some great times but more disasters and a LOT of rip offs.
I came back to the scene a few years ago and my experience is immeasurably better thanks to a combination of things: the Internet in general, especially AW and UKP above all, but also my own maturity and common sense- i make less of a drama out of it now.
So I would say yes many things are vastly improved- but I wonder how I would have fared in the 80s armed with the experience I now have.
Prices though are much better now: eg Soho basic fuck in 1988: £15, in 2017: £20. Relative to earnings that's a lot cheaper now.

[TallPaul]

1990's - decent
2000's - outstanding
2010's - Better than 90s. Not as good as the 00's

[wakemeup]

For me never been this good

[Horizontal pleasures]

Quote from: Horizontal pleasures on Yesterday at 10:53:22 pm
More to the point is Aunt Judy, yes, I remember that agency and used it a few times, not cheap. But I looked now and cannot find the prices? BIG thanks, HP

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the "BIG thanks" bit. What did I do wrong?

1 I was thanking you for reminding me of Aunt Judy
2 I was asking for your help in locating the price list?
HP

[dobob]

Quote from: Horizontal pleasures on Yesterday at 10:53:22 pm
...
1 I was thanking you for reminding me of Aunt Judy
2 I was asking for your help in locating the price list?
HP

1) My pleasure!
2) I haven't been able to find a price list on the website. I think you have to phone and ask. I last saw one of Judy's ladies in summer 2015 and then it was £200 an hour.

Cheers!

[Mansell]

I have explained before that I have had two phases of punting in my life.

First when I was young, working overseas and horny. Just had pumps and dumps as that was all that seemed to be available.

Then later a sexless existence led me to trying AW about 5 years ago.

If the experience in later years had been the same as my earlier experiences then I would probably settled on 2 or three punts a year.

As it is I am a 2 to 3 times a month man now.

As I see it the GFE was a game changer, certainly for me anyway.

Yes a passionless punt is satisfying now and again as there is a "dirty/seedy" side to this hobby  but to have a good SP give you the Illusion that she is really into it herself and actually wants to be shagged by a guy twice her age is what has kept me in this particular saddle.

N

I only started 3 years ago, so can't comment on what it was like way back but really agree with GFE comments, that's what's kept me punting as an older guy the idea of pump and dump just doesn't appeal at all. Some brilliant GFE experiences around the time I have been doing this 

[welshman]

I understand that the GFE came in to due to increased competition.  The part of the country I live has a limited punting scene and WGs face little competition. I have had excellent  punts with ladies in my area who provided a great GFE who unfortunately are no longer working. This indicates the GFE is now a standard service even if WGs are not under pressure to provide it due to competition in their area.

[slow and low]

Nope.

[Horizontal pleasures]

I haven't been able to find a price list on the website. I think you have to phone and ask. I last saw one of Judy's ladies in summer 2015 and then it was £200 an hour.

Cheers!

that must be why I abandoned Aunt Judy, £200 for a punt is too much.

[An tUasal Liathroid Mor]

1990's - decent
2000's - outstanding
2010's - Better than 90s. Not as good as the 00's

+1...

[berksboy]

Yep the above is on the money.

[purple_t]

1990's - decent
2000's - outstanding
2010's - Better than 90s. Not as good as the 00's

What did you like better about the 00s? I've only been punting for a little over 2 years so not familiar with how the scene was then.

[mrfishyfoo]

Adultwork is overflowing with crap, thousands of Romanian skanks and thousands of headless photos, the problem is that there is no viable alternative.

I found punting better in the 80's and 90's, there were lots of brothels in my area which no longer exist, yes, the maids told lies but I would simply "walk".

Regarding prices, they have hardly moved in the last 15 years, my first review in 2001 -------- on another forum, shows that I paid £100 an hour, it is still possible to pay that today.

+1

See my latest review.

All that for £100 

[cultvoid]

I much preferred the brothel scene --------------- maybe you remember "Gigglesgirls" in Ilford owned by Sunni Tara, good quality girls at sensible prices in a comfortable flat.     

I do remember Giggles! It was awesome. Lovely student Amy there in about 2002, lush.

Better was Billie a year or two later. I rolled up on the offchance and got a booking with her sight unseen (she didn't have a pic on the website - maid said she looked like Billie Piper - I'd no clue who she was). Any worries were right out of the window, as soon as she saw me, she leapt on me, kissing my face off like she'd not been fucked for months. For half an hour I felt desirable. I've never had anyone as keen as that since. Shame she suddenly vanished, I only saw her the once.

[DrGFreeman]

I first punted in the late 90s - we are in such a better place now

websites like this one were around, but most of my girls were sourced from local escort agencies, adverts in the sport or girls with their own website. Adultwork existed but it didn't dominate like it does now
in comparison to now, the service was limited, OW the norm and the girls less attractive
I think the internet has made our thing so much easier for both parties

but I believe the game changer was the expansion of the EU
the floods of eastern european girls has provided huge competition - girls are now more attractive, younger, provide improved services (GFE and OWO) for in real terms less money. I wouldn't even look now at the girls I used to pay in the 90s.

I can see the point that maybe the high point was a few years ago. There are so many romanian girls now, I see signs of a race to the bottom. I'd like the higher proportion of polish hungarain and czech girls as we had 5 years ago.

[seduxion]

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[candec]

Much better now thanks to the internet. There are fake IDs, but the majority are genuine. It is good to have some idea in advance of who you will be seeing plus what the services cost. Apart from that, there are so many nationalities/races to choose from.

[welshman]

I feel the internet has made things much easier for SPs and punters. A big advantage with the internet you can search if you are after something specific. For instance if you are looking for WGs in a certain age group Adultwork has the facility to search with a minimum and maximum age. If you look at the websites of SPs you have information such as photos, rotas, prices, services provided without having to ask this information over the phone. There is of course always the possibility information on websites is not accurate. The websites of parlours usually give the address which saves punters having to ask for directions over the phone.

There are threads on this forum about role play and fantasies. Some punters may find it embarrassing and difficult to discuss role play requests over the phone and the internet makes it possible to communicate without having to speak on the phone.