How many people are there

[grouper]

As a relationship virgin... how many guys are there who pay for sex because we don't get any?

Admittedly I'm feeling pretty crap, and I feel fucking broken. I have a decent job but id really like a lady in my life. Escorts fill the need for affection but you always know its not real

[alabama1]

Take it from me, fantasy is a LOT better than reality ! Stay as you are would be my advice.

[garfield]

Take it from me, fantasy is a LOT better than reality ! Stay as you are would be my advice.

This

[grouper]

You guys say this but sometimes I'd love a big cuddle after work. And a blowjob :p

Im 33 and everyone's getting married and my regular is not working.

Cant even go for a pint. Soz guys and mod I dont have an outlet for it.

[winkywanky]

As a relationship virgin... how many guys are there who pay for sex because we don't get any?

Admittedly I'm feeling pretty crap, and I feel fucking broken. I have a decent job but id really like a lady in my life. Escorts fill the need for affection but you always know its not real

I would say don't go through life having never had a proper relationship with a woman. And the longer you leave it the harder it will be. A bit like Covid, that will be exponential as you get older, you'll just look weird and suspicious to any woman if she were to find out she was your first date/relationship.

Having sex with WGs will teach you the 'mechanics' and even the sensuality and perhaps some tenderness. But it's no substitute for real closeness with someone you have feelings for.

Perhaps now is not the time to start looking, but within a few mths things will improve.

[Nacholibre]

As a relationship virgin... how many guys are there who pay for sex because we don't get any?

Admittedly I'm feeling pretty crap, and I feel fucking broken. I have a decent job but id really like a lady in my life. Escorts fill the need for affection but you always know its not real

There is someone for everyone.

DO NOT make punting your oasis. Make it a hobby to dabble in which gives you a bit of excitement once in a while

Nothing will beat having a relationship, family, kids

If your relationship isn't working them ofcourse use SP's as a means to alleviate your sexual requirements.. especially if you don't want the rigmarole of another relationship

But don't stress.

[Mkhelen]

Dating does get harder as you get older

Sex with escorts can help you improve your technique and being a great lover in bed

Start working on your "self" 

so your self esteem, self confidence, your body image, the way you dress and get other hobbies and other friends aswell as this and start dating when covid is over

Have the balls to say NO to a girl trying taking advantage of you

[grouper]

I dress well, I get compliments. I just can't seem to seel the deal. Feel like the universe is saying something

But I just wanted to be listened to, so thanks for replying. Drunk and having a crap day. And very much alone. So thank u guys

[Nacholibre]

I dress well, I get compliments. I just can't seem to seel the deal. Feel like the universe is saying something

But I just wanted to be listened to, so thanks for replying. Drunk and having a crap day. And very much alone. So thank u guys

That is the real value of this forum my friend

You are never too far away for advice and support

Take it easy.

[JontyR]

Don't look for or obsess about a relationship. Just get used to speaking to women and being interested in them. Punting can have an effect on how you relate to people.

WW mentions its not a great time to look to start a relationship, but I'd suggest it may be a good time to make connections which may grow into something. You can stlll "get out there" online. It can be depressing too, but treat it for what it is, a bit of fun.

On a separate point, maybe look for a hobby you can do during lockdown. It gives you something to do, it may also be something you can bond over with someone else.

Good luck! 

[winkywanky]

Don't look for or obsess about a relationship. Just get used to speaking to women and being interested in them. Punting can have an effect on how you relate to people.

WW mentions its not a great time to look to start a relationship, but I'd suggest it may be a good time to make connections which may grow into something. You can stlll "get out there" online. It can be depressing too, but treat it for what it is, a bit of fun.

On a separate point, maybe look for a hobby you can do during lockdown. It gives you something to do, it may also be something you can bond over with someone else.

Good luck!

That's a very good point.

And by the time you get to meet them the level of frustration will have been so high that a shag is virtually guaranteed  .

[Internacional]

As a relationship virgin... how many guys are there who pay for sex because we don't get any?

Admittedly I'm feeling pretty crap, and I feel fucking broken. I have a decent job but id really like a lady in my life. Escorts fill the need for affection but you always know its not real

If you can, now is the time to get onto POF, Tinder etc.  For the the first time in a long a time the number of women on these sites almost matches the number men.  You’ll find someone, trust me.  Also, look abroad for a relationship too, you’ll be surprised how much British men are like, unlike the women here ‘who don’t know what they want’.

[kotycommanderjohn]

I payed usually out of boredom and needing a pick me up, hardly have girls flocking to me especially since engulfing by dark clouds and becoming unfit due to not giving a shit (covid hasn't helped been a lazy bugger) but had some long relationships and enough casual shags when younger.

Best way to attract girls is be interesting or be an utter arsehole (they get plenty). But if you aren't a rancid smeghead then be interesting, talk to them and my best relationships all started as friendships so make some friends .... a lasting partner should feel like an amazing friend and if not well something is wrong

If all else fails be rich. 

[JJDelta]

OP I understand your pain. It goes higher than using dating apps and going for the bottom of the barrel. You need to work on yourself, place yourself into social circles that have loads of quality women. Make yourself likeable to women. Befriend women first, understand the differences between them both. Work on yourself physically, go to the gym, have a good diet. Have hobbies, have a drive to improve your life and situation.

Women are attracted to success; can you demonstrate that to a decent woman? What are her alternatives? Also don’t bother on dating apps, it’s a cess pool of shit and it’s a waste of time.

You need to change your mindset OP and WG’s are brilliant for no strings attached and filling specific needs. Well worth the investment if you ask me.

[Brumish]

Take it from me, fantasy is a LOT better than reality ! Stay as you are would be my advice.

Nail - Head

[Brumish]

Dating does get harder as you get older

Sex with escorts can help you improve your technique and being a great lover in bed

Start working on your "self" 

so your self esteem, self confidence, your body image, the way you dress and get other hobbies and other friends aswell as this and start dating when covid is over

Have the balls to say NO to a girl trying taking advantage of you

Great advice. Focus on you and be the best version of yourself. Once you get into having responsibilities for others, you'll lose yourself to the aging factor.

Don't think that relationships are free. You'll pay for sex one way or another. Being single ensures you don't over commit

[Rangers54]

Heres my advice, get some money round ya, talk to the banks fund a property portfolio  get to 50 retire. live of the income and hope to God covid comes to an end quickly.... mate of mine did that 

[Hotdogboy88]

Thought I logged on to mumsnet for a moment. 

[night-rider]

As a relationship virgin... how many guys are there who pay for sex because we don't get any?

Admittedly I'm feeling pretty crap, and I feel fucking broken. I have a decent job but id really like a lady in my life. Escorts fill the need for affection but you always know its not real

I'm in a very similar situation to you buddy. Never been in a relationship before and in my 30's. It's out of choice in my case.
Resorted to punting a few years back not because I can't get any, but because I have seen so many blokes get married/into relationships and then get ruined! It's put me right off!
I've worked hard to get to where I am and the last thing I want is for a woman to come into my life and chop me in half financially and mentally. I have been looking for a potential partner for some time now as I would love to start a family one day. However, I find it difficult to find what I'm looking for here.
I understand the intrinsic need for close connection and love but I've found ladies here in the UK don't have a clue what they want and are too materialistic, liberal and aggressive feminists, thus why I've made the decision to find a partner abroad where ladies tend to take relationships a lot more seriously.
In the meantime, I'm focusing on myself and my happiness by taking up hobbies and interests / Going jogging and keeping fit / General self improvement etc... I suggest you do the same as dwelling on the situation can lead to a downward spiral very quickly. The last thing you want is to get into a depressive state but if you happen to find yourself there, don't be afraid to seek help. Otherwise, chin up matey and keep yourself occupied and busy 

[Bush]

Thought I logged on to mumsnet for a moment. 

Dear Marjory.........

[VitIron]

I dress well, I get compliments. I just can't seem to seel the deal. Feel like the universe is saying something

But I just wanted to be listened to, so thanks for replying. Drunk and having a crap day. And very much alone. So thank u guys

Have you tried speed dating?

Admittedly, this is not really possible with COVID and everything but that would apply to online dating and other apps.

I was very much against the idea of speed dating at first because I didn't feel confident enough to be able to make a positive impression within three minutes but I gave it a go and actually enjoyed it.

I'm single at the moment and will definitely try it again once COVID is behind us.

Don't worry about not having been in a relationship - there's no need to tell someone this when you meet them and in fact is something you should avoid anyway. Talking about general relationship concerns with something you've just met will across as too intense.

You could say you haven't been in a relationship for a while because you haven't had a chance to meet new people during the pandemic and that will sound totally plausible.

The issue might not even come up because you may not get asked about it.

In fact, I've never understood why some women seem so eager to find out about the previous relationships of someone they've just met because they will only be told what the other person wants them to hear anyway
And some of the women I've known have even resented the fact that, yes (shock horror), I have had other relationships.

If the person you meet starts pressing you about things you're not willing to discuss then that's a warning sign.

I'm no expert when it comes to relationships but I certainly know from experience that you should never ignore the warning signs and always follow your instincts.

If something doesn't feel right regardless of whether this is your first relationship in ages or your first relationship ever then walk away.

Good luck.

[Nacholibre]

Have you tried speed dating?

Admittedly, this is not really possible with COVID and everything but that would apply to online dating and other apps.

I was very much against the idea of speed dating at first because I didn't feel confident enough to be able to make a positive impression within three minutes but I gave it a go and actually enjoyed it.

I'm single at the moment and will definitely try it again once COVID is behind us.

Don't worry about not having been in a relationship - there's no need to tell someone this when you meet them and in fact is something you should avoid anyway. Talking about general relationship concerns with something you've just met will across as too intense.

You could say you haven't been in a relationship for a while because you haven't had a chance to meet new people during the pandemic and that will sound totally plausible.

The issue might not even come up because you may not get asked about it.

In fact, I've never understood why some women seem so eager to find out about the previous relationships of someone they've just met because they will only be told what the other person wants them to hear anyway
And some of the women I've known have even resented the fact that, yes (shock horror), I have had other relationships.

If the person you meet starts pressing you about things you're not willing to discuss then that's a warning sign.

I'm no expert when it comes to relationships but I certainly know from experience that you should never ignore the warning signs and always follow your instincts.

If something doesn't feel right regardless of whether this is your first relationship in ages or your first relationship ever then walk away.

Good luck.

And always be careful in a new relationship. Ensure you don't get taken advantage of.

I hope you find a great gal and get set up but invariably girls today are also looking for their own advantage

Just protect yourself emotionally and in everyday life

[VitIron]

I've made the decision to find a partner abroad where ladies tend to take relationships a lot more seriously.

That's interesting. How do you plan to do that?

Are you looking to relocate?

[Nacholibre]

That's interesting. How do you plan to do that?

Are you looking to relocate?

And if not careful
They will see you as a naive rich-ish fat cat and take you for everything you got

Be careful

You sound like you need to slow things down and take stock

Like the gentleman said beforehand
Find hobbies
Set career goals
Satisfy your sexual needs through punting

But take it slow

[VitIron]

And if not careful
They will see you as a naive rich-ish fat cat and take you for everything you got

Be careful

You sound like you need to slow things down and take stock

Like the gentleman said beforehand
Find hobbies
Set career goals
Satisfy your sexual needs through punting

But take it slow

Were you replying to me just then? 

[Nacholibre]

Were you replying to me just then? 

Grouper

[night-rider]

That's interesting. How do you plan to do that?

Are you looking to relocate?

I've travelled quite extensively prior to COVID, and been to places where more, let's say "traditional" values are upheld in relationships. So yep relocation is definitely a possibility but certainly not a necessity. Depends entirely on the situation.

[Nacholibre]

I've travelled quite extensively prior to COVID, and been to places where more, let's say "traditional" values are upheld in relationships. So yep relocation is definitely a possibility but certainly not a necessity. Depends entirely on the situation.

What do you mean traditional values

Are you after a relationship or a pet

[valiumdick]

i been using escorts since i was 21 never had a gf..made a few friends with working girls they aint all bad im 50 now so not much chance of a Babe GF

[night-rider]

What do you mean traditional values

Are you after a relationship or a pet

Think is fairly self explanatory! Traditional values as in honesty, loyalty, respect etc...
And obviously these should be mutual. However, I don't know if it's just my perception or whether others feel it too, but I think certainly in the younger generations (23-30 age group) it's very difficult to find women who want to commit to a serious relationship that isn't all one sided. Social media, TV, and the feminist movement has them chasing unattainable dreams and in turn they've gained an attitude of entitlement.

[girthyrod]

You guys say this but sometimes I'd love a big cuddle after work. And a blowjob :p

Im 33 and everyone's getting married and my regular is not working.

Cant even go for a pint. Soz guys and mod I dont have an outlet for it.

My advice,

Get yourself eating good food, get a few new pieces of clobber, fiet for a few weeks or month and put your new pics on Tinder and work your way through whats on offer.

Dont settle for a single one of them, just have a fling and learn from what you see, write notes of each lady over time and compare your findings so that when you do go dating you know the red flags and what you are into etc etc etc.

As for meeting someone, the key in my mind is to find someone with mutual hobbies and interests. Gives the relationship a better foundation.

As for punting, I only do it because sex is stale and my sex drive hasnt changed but hers has dropped right off. The joys of kids.

[JontyR]

Think is fairly self explanatory! Traditional values as in honesty, loyalty, respect etc...
And obviously these should be mutual. However, I don't know if it's just my perception or whether others feel it too, but I think certainly in the younger generations (23-30 age group) it's very difficult to find women who want to commit to a serious relationship that isn't all one sided. Social media, TV, and the feminist movement has them chasing unattainable dreams and in turn they've gained an attitude of entitlement.

If by that you mean that there is a generation where there is an increasing proportion of whose long term prosperity isn't reliant on marrying someone else you are probably right. How many "traditional marriages" stayed together because there was little option for the one who wanted to leave?

Women have been empowered by the ability to build a career first and then still have the opportunity to build a family should they so wish. It's not uniform though. There are plenty of folks who have few opportunities of improving their standing.

[theejaculator]

Thought I logged on to mumsnet for a moment. 

Yeah so did I

[theejaculator]

OP.... at least you haven't got the stress of being in a relationship and having to do all the secret squirrel shit to keep it from the other 'arf .

[Nacholibre]

OP.... at least you haven't got the stress of being in a relationship and having to do all the secret squirrel shit to keep it from the other 'arf .

Lol. Don't put the OP off...those are the trials and tribulations of a relationship

The ups and downs

[P.O.G]

Been with my GF for 2 years, and I've been punting throughout. My previous relationship was 4 years and punted throughout. I have regular sex in my relationships but want some extra fun with no strings. And using escorts and a punting phone, it's unlikely to get caught. When I've been single I don't punt very often due to tinder and POF, etc, so it's easy to find fun. I started punting at 18 and 10 years later I'm still at it.

[Gordon Bennett]

Is acting gay a viable strategy for attracting ladies? Maybe not "full hom", but sort of fey, camp, effete, "one of the girls" sort of thing. I'm convinced I've seen blokes finagle their way into groups of females this way but I'm unclear if they ever managed to annex an individual lady off to the side away from the group and get into her knickers.

[grouper]

Thanks for answering to all those who did. And with genuine answers. Thank u. Made me feel less shit for a day.

[valiumdick]

Some of us were Born Ugly / Boring Whatever Hookers are our lives Pretty sad Really Bornalone Die Alone

[BlueRock]

Know how the op feels. I punted originally as couldn't get into a relationship. Then I did stopped punting and thought it was behind me. However she just stopped doing much. Was down to single figures a year often under 5. Started punting again weekly. A relationship is nice but never stay in one that's doing nothing for you.

[storm69]

Grouper , ideal time now to practice relationship skills online - very little chance of a face to face  meeting but plenty of opportunity to build skills in chatting and building a rapport with video calls . Also can be an amusing fun way to spend the time. Cliche is to stay relaxed , not easy when so much is at stake aspirations wise . But if you can hold a good job then the skills are there ,though women are far more exciting me thinks .

[Billy no mates]

I just feel I should give a bit of balance to this thread.

I am happily married, and have been for 29 yrs. My wife is my best friend, and we still have a sexlife (alltho it was reduced after childbirth, for a while).

[grouper]

Tried tinder and bumble. No Matches,  confirms what I knew.

[JontyR]

Tried tinder and bumble. No Matches,  confirms what I knew.

None at all? Did you get any "likes"?

[grouper]

I got some but blatantly fake or accident, never replied or chatted. I am indian, probs makes a difference.

[Ben1983]

Having been in several long term relationships (included engaged and living with one) I can honestly say relationships aren’t for me.

I value my free time and the ability to only focus on myself / do what I want.

Escorts fit into my life easily, as I can arrange a booking whenever I fancy having a shag 

Everyone’s different though; What works for me, may not for work you, and vice Vera.

[JontyR]

I got some but blatantly fake or accident, never replied or chatted. I am indian, probs makes a difference.

Maybe, but I actually noticed the high numbers of women with a heritage from the sub-continent that appeared on there.

I wouldn't give up. A failure to reply may be that they are in the early stages of something with someone else.

In terms of the number of replies you get, are you targetting the right ages? Is your profile selling you in the best way?

Are you expectations too high?

You only need one match...if its the right one.

[bonham]

I have two friends with benefits but would never give up on my massage punts its just different altogether 

[VitIron]

Tried tinder and bumble. No Matches,  confirms what I knew.

It doesn't confirm what you knew.

It confirms what I know which is that online dating is pretty much a waste of time.

I've never used tinder to be honest. match.com is better than bumble but that isn't saying a great deal.

I frequently got likes on match.com but they were mostly women who were staggeringly ugly.

I know that sounds shallow but online dating is shallow, you're making a judgement purely based on a couple of photos and whatever the other person wants you to know about themselves - which may not even be true anyway.

Speed dating is a far better option, where you form your own opinion based on actually meeting someone and that is far more meaningful.

Obviously with COVID, any form of dating is limited but there are still online speed dating events taking place.

You might want to give it a go just so you can get a feel of what it's like. That way you'll know what to expect when you try it face to face once COVID restrictions have been lifted.

[Rangers54]

I wonder if there's a site that you can put pictures of your cock and ladies or slags can pick their nights out. I know there isn't but hey don't we all think our cocks are the most picturesque members going 🤣🤣