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Offline dubs

The other girl in the film is way fitter, Ana de Armas, and has lots of nude roles in her career

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Eva Green was my favourite.  Such class and one of my favourite scenes from a Daniel Craig Bond movie:

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Excellent Bond scene. Daniel Craig still locked good then. In fact I'm a bit miffed that Bond fell in love with Madeleine. It almost brought a tears to my eyes when Vesper (Eva Green) drowned in Goldeneye with those crazy beautiful eyes and heaving bosom and a half  :cry:

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I think she got her ample tits out in the shitty 300 sequel.  No other reason to watch it.

Offline The0neAnd0nly

Watched it and thought it was a bag of wank. Best part was everything before the stupid Billie Eilish song.

Villan - rubbish
Love interest - toss
Ending - vile
Trailers - best part

I've no idea why they put so much humour in. Given the high stakes it simply doesnt work IMHO.

Shame Craig's last movie as Bond went out on a whimper.

Skyfall - 10 out of 10
Casino Royale - 9 out of 10
Spectre / QoS / No Time To Die - probably wouldnt watch any of them ever again to be honest

If your a Bond fan still worth checking out as seems to be getting positive reviews so clearly split opinions

Offline Marmalade

To be fair to Billy Eilish, it wasn’t so much a ‘rubbish’ song as just totally inappropriate I thought.

I’ve watched shows where she performs it live and also the documentary about her. Her music’s not quite my cup of tea, but for a 19(?) yr old, her music, voice and lyrics show considerable originality, together with her co-producing brother. (And let’s not forget her emotional performance of Yesterday at the Oscars External Link/Members Only).

On paper it looks ok (see the official video). What’s wrong about it is firstly that it’s sappiness refers not to Bond but more to the folorn and rather nubile blonde in the arms of the ageing Bond. Secondly, it just doesn’t flow at the place in which it’s inserted: it follows possibly the most exciting scene in the movie, the car chase, and the connection is too far-fetched for the audience at that point. Also it’s played at a whisper, when the original Bond theme (or a snappy, reassuringly thumpy equivalent) blasting out would have provided the ideal catharsis.

Eilish would have been fine for closing credits, but the problem was they’d already used the song in trailers to showpiece the film so had to give it pride of place. Minor fuck up.

Offline mr.bluesky

Eva Green was my favourite.  Such class and one of my favourite scenes from a Daniel Craig Bond movie:

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And damn sexy in 300. Rise of an empire  :thumbsup:

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To be fair to Billy Eilish, it wasn’t so much a ‘rubbish’ song as just totally inappropriate I thought.

I’ve watched shows where she performs it live and also the documentary about her. Her music’s not quite my cup of tea, but for a 19(?) yr old, her music, voice and lyrics show considerable originality, together with her co-producing brother. (And let’s not forget her emotional performance of Yesterday at the Oscars External Link/Members Only).

On paper it looks ok (see the official video). What’s wrong about it is firstly that it’s sappiness refers not to Bond but more to the folorn and rather nubile blonde in the arms of the ageing Bond. Secondly, it just doesn’t flow at the place in which it’s inserted: it follows possibly the most exciting scene in the movie, the car chase, and the connection is too far-fetched for the audience at that point. Also it’s played at a whisper, when the original Bond theme (or a snappy, reassuringly thumpy equivalent) blasting out would have provided the ideal catharsis.

Eilish would have been fine for closing credits, but the problem was they’d already used the song in trailers to showpiece the film so had to give it pride of place. Minor fuck up.

No doubting her talent, why otherwise would she be headlining Glastonbury? I’ve seen all the recent Bond movies at the cinema and this was the one time the song didn’t carry enough power. I even thought Sam Smith did a better job in Casino Royale.  I thought the opening sequence in No time to die was great prior to the song but it all went downhill from there. I thought the same thing about Spectre. On paper it had so much going for it with a superb actor in Christoph Waltz, it just didn’t have the script to back it up.

Skyfall didn’t have a big budget but it had script, wit and a great villain in Javier Bardem.   The opening sequence when Naome Harris says ‘agent down’ and Daniel Craig falls from a bridge is how you start a movie. 

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No doubting her talent, why otherwise would she be headlining Glastonbury? I’ve seen all the recent Bond movies at the cinema and this was the one time the song didn’t carry enough power. I even thought Sam Smith did a better job in Casino Royale.  I thought the opening sequence in No time to die was great prior to the song but it all went downhill from there. I thought the same thing about Spectre. On paper it had so much going for it with a superb actor in Christoph Waltz, it just didn’t have the script to back it up.

Skyfall didn’t have a big budget but it had script, wit and a great villain in Javier Bardem.   The opening sequence when Naome Harris says ‘agent down’ and Daniel Craig falls from a bridge is how you start a movie.

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Skyfall did have a very impressive explosion (simultaneously demolishing a rather beautiful and elegant old Scottish building? ffs) but I didn’t find the plot memorable.

I’d say the actual plot (or theme) of No Time To Die was indeed actually memorable. It tweaked the current pandemic story to envisage a DNA-specific virus which would be a better weapon than covid-19. The execution (big vats of gunk) was sloppy — no pun intended — and the narrative, the way they joined up the essential plot elements — was incredibly convoluted and largely ‘un-Bond -like’. The black woman did a reasonably good job, but the blonde wench was too tearful and the slick and sexy brunette assistant early on was rather derogatory, a not very convincing fighter or remotely oh oh anything. Wiping out a gang of hitmen Kung-fu -style (while wearing high heels?!) really wasn’t believable. A sexy, often brilliant woman is a Bond film ‘item’ — but hand-to-hand fighting with a bunch of highly trained male fighters? — not unless we have a quick dose of make-believe, and is that the sort of suspension-of-disbelief that really goes with a Bond film? I’m not sure that it is.

The drawn-out child scene at the beginning didn’t grab me. Nor was it joined up very well I felt. Was the grave of a 17yr old supposed to be fake? Is Bond supposed to have had an affair with a mother that somehow survived or the child that grew up to maturity? I expect it’s explained somewhere, but personally I don’t go to Bond films to watch a long, fairly irrelevant scene of a small child miraculously escaping blah blah sob sob wah! The car chase redeemed it but if they had to have a poor-little-baby ooo-you-killed-my-friend’s family silly subplot surely couldn’t it have been done quickly as a flashback?

It was a fairly good plot, a reasonably entertaining film: but overdrawn, over-long, and over-‘inclusive’.

Offline southcoastpunter

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It was a fairly good plot, a reasonably entertaining film: but overdrawn, over-long, and over-‘inclusive’.

definitely "over inclusive".

Has it been confirmed that Lashana Lynch is to be the next "Bond"?. There was speculation before the film was released and having watched it, it seems likely. But not heard that its been confirmed and would that be good or bad??

Offline Marmalade

definitely "over inclusive".

Has it been confirmed that Lashana Lynch is to be the next "Bond"?. There was speculation before the film was released and having watched it, it seems likely. But not heard that its been confirmed and would that be good or bad??

I don’t think so. The black woman was a temporary 007 but I heard — and I might be wrong — that they definitely don’t intend Bond to be played by a woman.


Offline Marmalade

You look like you’ve well and truly left the ‘Bond’ role there Danny ‘luv’!

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You look like you’ve well and truly left the ‘Bond’ role there Danny ‘luv’!

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Looks more like a dapper 'Bond' than Roger Moore in a too tight safari suit.

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Looks more like a dapper 'Bond' than Roger Moore in a too tight safari suit.

Not the all-inclusive passive homosexual Bond?

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Not the all-inclusive passive homosexual Bond?

I wouldn't say so.  Are you equating the mauve hue of his jacket with homosexuality?

Offline Marmalade

I wouldn't say so.  Are you equating the mauve hue of his jacket with homosexuality?

Pink.

I mean it looks very nice. Role model for the ageing queer gentleman?  :dancegirl:

And I don’t think he personally is gay if he’s married to the the beautiful Rachel Weisz.
But if he’s not making a statement it’s truly a fucking awful colour for a man’s jacket.  :dash:

Just my opinion.  :music:

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and sexy brunette assistant early on was rather derogatory, a not very convincing fighter or remotely oh oh anything. Wiping out a gang of hitmen Kung-fu -style (while wearing high heels?!) really wasn’t believable. A sexy, often brilliant woman is a Bond film ‘item’ — but hand-to-hand fighting with a bunch of highly trained male fighters? — not unless we have a quick dose of make-believe, and is that the sort of suspension-of-disbelief that really goes with a Bond film? I’m not sure that it is.


Yeah I prefer the more realistic stuff, like the guy with steel teeth who chews through cablecar wires, or the supervillain who launches rockets from his secret hollowed-out volcano HQ.  :wacko:

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Yeah I prefer the more realistic stuff, like the guy with steel teeth who chews through cablecar wires, or the supervillain who launches rockets from his secret hollowed-out volcano HQ.  :wacko:

Absolutely. :thumbsup: And Rammstein for debut song? Eilishes, Madonnas etc etc for fade out tracks during interminable credits please!  :thumbsup:

What’s the story with the famous Bond signature tune? They only seem to use short snatches. Some extortionate ownership thing?


Offline Devonguy78

Daniel Craig is the 2nd worse Bond since Pierce Brosnan, hopefully they cast a more fitting person to suit the role in the next film.

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Daniel Craig is the 2nd worse Bond since Pierce Brosnan, hopefully they cast a more fitting person to suit the role in the next film.

Subjective, maybe if you put the effort in and said why he’s the 2nd worst your statement may carry some credibility  :dash:

Offline Jabba the Slut

I have just watched the movie.
Thought it was ok,watchable and easily 1 hour too long in my opinion.
It lacks the charm and class of previous Bond films,with Connery and Moore.
Craig is decent as Bond, don't really mind him.I would cast an unknown actor,go back to basics with the new Film.Give me a super baddy,one that is a throwback to the early movies and a simple plot that we can all follow and enjoy.Put all this together and I think we would have a winner....

Offline Marmalade

I have just watched the movie.
Thought it was ok,watchable and easily 1 hour too long in my opinion.
It lacks the charm and class of previous Bond films,with Connery and Moore.
Craig is decent as Bond, don't really mind him.I would cast an unknown actor,go back to basics with the new Film.Give me a super baddy,one that is a throwback to the early movies and a simple plot that we can all follow and enjoy.Put all this together and I think we would have a winner....

Charm and class are casualties of woke. Yet men and women also like strong gender stereotypes when it suits them. If it doesn’t, they can be patronising or even I suppose offensive: but they were very much part of the Fleming/Connery ‘Bond’!

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Pink.

I mean it looks very nice. Role model for the ageing queer gentleman?  :dancegirl:

And I don’t think he personally is gay if he’s married to the the beautiful Rachel Weisz.
But if he’s not making a statement it’s truly a fucking awful colour for a man’s jacket.  :dash:

Just my opinion.  :music:

TBF that get up wouldn't look out of place on Kanye or Drake at some red carpet event.  The rap world isn't known for its being very down with LGBT.

I didn't think you thought he was gay but obviously men like that who are confident in who they are wouldn't think twice about a clothing item that suits their fair skin tone either.

Offline Devonguy78

Subjective, maybe if you put the effort in and said why he’s the 2nd worst your statement may carry some credibility  :dash:

Sorry my mistake, l just think that the newer James Bond's (Brosnan/Craig) seem to be lacking the likability of such Bonds as Lazenby, Connery and Moore. To me (as a personal opinion) they are chalk and cheese obviously a lot is dependent on script and the writer's, but l would choose an older Bond film over any film made after Pierce Brosnan took the role.

Offline Marmalade

Sorry my mistake, l just think that the newer James Bond's (Brosnan/Craig) seem to be lacking the likability of such Bonds as Lazenby, Connery and Moore. To me (as a personal opinion) they are chalk and cheese obviously a lot is dependent on script and the writer's, but l would choose an older Bond film over any film made after Pierce Brosnan took the role.

I wasn’t a fan of Moore but I can certainly place him with the theme tune, the camera eye and other paraphernalia. Like Connery, he exuded the air of the gentleman with potentially hidden depth. Craig’s 007 maybe missed something of that as he’s mostly the same outward character as a man walking down the street as he is when he’s shooting the bad guy. Craig is less comfortable in black tie, lacks the kindly snob and noblesse oblige appeal. Charm and class!

Offline Marmalade

A perfect illustration — British Airways pilots have always welcomed the passengers with something like “Good evening ladies and gentlemen…”.

There is something respectful about it. In English tradition, a gentleman or lady doesn’t include persons uncivilised, louts and do in. Treating people as decent helps to bring out decency I think — at least if it’s there somewhere.

They’ve now been instructed (with a nod to woke) not to use such terms. So now instead of being treated ‘like a gentleman’ you are I guess just part of ‘everybody’. A step down in manners!

Bond, of course, was always a gentleman, and treated others with the same respect unless and until they showed themselves unworthy of it.


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Precisely.


English manners, I am given to understand, developed as a way of dealing with the lower classes and distasteful types — it facilitated a sort of suave self-defence while maintaining a cool air, self-control, and a window of kindness.

Offline lamboman

Clive Owen as well.

Clive Owen is a terrible actor so it won't be him.
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Offline Waterhouse

Clive Owen is a terrible actor so it won't be him.
Agree.

Luke Evans would be a good candidate IMO.

Offline Chorley

All the wannabe Barry Norman's  saying  being a terrible actor prevents someone from being 007. Roger Moore wasn't exactly Richard Burton was he?  :crazy: :rolleyes:
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Offline ulstersubbie

All the wannabe Barry Norman's  saying  being a terrible actor prevents someone from being 007. Roger Moore wasn't exactly Richard Burton was he?  :crazy: :rolleyes:

Very true Chorley. I wonder if Moore ever had a go at Shakespeare!  :D

Offline Waterhouse

All the wannabe Barry Norman's  saying  being a terrible actor prevents someone from being 007. Roger Moore wasn't exactly Richard Burton was he?  :crazy: :rolleyes:
Good or bad, he likely landed the Bond role due to the charm and charisma he showed in the Saint and The Persuaders.  He was right for the role back then.  Owen doesn’t have that going for him and let’s face it, he’s a pretty wooden actor.

Offline lillythesavage

Has anyone given the end away yet :D, my mate did to me.

Offline lamboman

Went to see it today and it was as good as I expected,my only reservation was spending 3 hrs in a cinema without wanting a piss but if flew by.
Craig will be a hard act to follow.
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Thing is with Bond they are just so suave and well dare I say it boring.  What you want is a rough arse Begbie or Cockney Bond, a working mans Bond complete with cigarette in mouth and pint in hand "Fucking come on if you think you're hard enough".  Ray Winstone 20 years ago would have been perfect.



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Offline lamboman

All the wannabe Barry Norman's  saying  being a terrible actor prevents someone from being 007. Roger Moore wasn't exactly Richard Burton was he?  :crazy: :rolleyes:

Wasn't a good Bond either was he  :lol: :hi: it's not the 1980 s anymore time moves on even if you haven't.
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Good or bad, he likely landed the Bond role due to the charm and charisma he showed in the Saint and The Persuaders.  He was right for the role back then.  Owen doesn’t have that going for him and let’s face it, he’s a pretty wooden actor.

He's also way too old at 57? Don't get me wrong, he's been in some great productions and brought a lot to those roles but that ship has sailed.

Bond remains a massive global draw and iconic representation of Britain but I can't help but feel the films are now just 'events' in time with each release and aren't really watchable in their own right for long afterwards.

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It was reported that it was Owen's shocking performance in King Arthur that made the studios hit the eject button on his trial.  The short BMW films he did were rather good and rather Bond-esque.

This was a good one.
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These clips just highlight how devoid of charisma Craigs Bond is.

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Even old, over the top, Moonraker has more class than the "modern" films.

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Excellent Bond scene. Daniel Craig still locked good then. In fact I'm a bit miffed that Bond fell in love with Madeleine. It almost brought a tears to my eyes when Vesper (Eva Green) drowned in Goldeneye with those crazy beautiful eyes and heaving bosom and a half  :cry:

Goldeneye?

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It was reported that it was Owen's shocking performance in King Arthur that made the studios hit the eject button on his trial.  The short BMW films he did were rather good and rather Bond-esque.

This was a good one.
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Those "Driver" ones were off the back of his turn in Bourne Identity iirc.  He could've been a good Bond candidate at that point but only if he'd gotten as physical as Damon did for Bourne.

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I prefer Lea Seydoux in her other rolls :cool:
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Enjoyed Warmest Colour.  Never noticed it was the same actress as in Bond. I see she’s also been in Lobster and Midnight in Paris which I’ve also enjoyed. Nice.

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I prefer Lea Seydoux in her other rolls :cool:
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I think she is beautiful even though others disagree with her choice as a Bond Girl.  I saw a movie called Grand Central in which she had some passionate scenes.  She’s a good actress and seems to take on a lot of small independent movie roles which I like. 

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The main issue with her is she and Craig have zero chemistry, but you could say that about every Bond girl and Craig.