How to be a forum helper?

[daviemac]

a question related to best practice for forum helpers please.

I thought forum helpers could only change review ratings with the specific prior approval of the OP so to avoid FH's interpreting things for themselves and avoiding things such as "well it reads to me more like a negative than a neutral or positive etc. Is this so?

(the one that makes me ask the question is a fairly blatant positive that should be negative but i asked the Op to confirm but yet another FH comes along and just changes it (as far as i can see). Whilst i am not in any way disputing this individual rating change - i would like clarification as to whether we FH's can/should use our discretion on rating changes or does it always need the OP's specific approval?

Only the OP can decide what rating to give his review and it can't be changed without their specific consent. It doesn't matter if other members think it should be rated differently it isn't their review.

A review is only a reflection of a punter's experience as he found it at the time, however we are all different and have different standards, what one would find acceptable another might not.

Members should take what information they find useful from a review and act accordingly.

[Lewis]

Of the very few times I've changed a rating, I've only done it after the SPs approval.

Either via PM, asking the SP myself in the thread, or if another FH has asked and got a reply from the SP, but hasn't been back yet to change it. If I do change it on behalf of another FH, then I try and remember to acknowledge to them that I've changed it.

[scutty brown]

Of the very few times I've changed a rating, I've only done it after the SPs approval.

Either via PM, asking the SP myself in the thread, or if another FH has asked and got a reply from the SP, but hasn't been back yet to change it. If I do change it on behalf of another FH, then I try and remember to acknowledge to them that I've changed it.

SP?
Really? I hope not

[contentguy]

That’s helpful clarification, thanks Davie.

Southcoastpunter pointed out in a recent thread that that the OP needed to approve a rating change.

There was another review just over a week ago that I was tempted to change as it was ‘clearly incorrect’ but didn’t because the OP didn’t clarify.  It’s been changed.

[daviemac]

That’s helpful clarification, thanks Davie.

Southcoastpunter pointed out in a recent thread that that the OP needed to approve a rating change.

There was another review just over a week ago that I was tempted to change as it was ‘clearly incorrect’ but didn’t because the OP didn’t clarify.  It’s been changed.

No probs, it's a slippery slope if we start changing review ratings to what we think they should be, regardless of how obvious we think it is.   

[90125]

No probs, it's a slippery slope if we start changing review ratings to what we think they should be, regardless of how obvious we think it is.   

 

[Lewis]

SP?
Really? I hope not

D'oh! I meant OP, as in Original Poster. Stupid oto collect 

[daviemac]

If I can just add, the rule on reviews is they have to be for 1 service provider not 1 meeting. Including more than one visit in the OP is no different to adding other posts to the review, the thread contains details of several visits either way and is far better than multiple reviews of the same SP by the same punter.

[LLPunting]

If I can just add, the rule on reviews is they have to be for 1 service provider not 1 meeting. Including more than one visit in the OP is no different to adding other posts to the review, the thread contains details of several visits either way and is far better than multiple reviews of the same SP by the same punter.

Presuming that each of the encounters was the same rating and didn't reveal any significant change in services offered, whether added, refused or removed. 

[daviemac]

Presuming that each of the encounters was the same rating and didn't reveal any significant change in services offered, whether added, refused or removed. 

This one as an example https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=347372.0 , which has been put back in the review section, gives an overall picture of the services offered and how they start off good but tail off on subsequent visits. So the OP's final sentence "Overall, Daniela is a good punt only if you are going for 15mins. I can't give her a full positive as each of my visits the service became poorer so a neutral it is." gives members all the information they need in one place and the OP has decided on an overall neutral rating for his visits and that is his choice.

There is no difference in posting a review of one meeting then adding further posts detailing other visits and referring to 2 or 3 visits in the OP. Better the latter than posting several reviews of the same SP and being accused of touting.

We can't dictate how members post reviews as long as the rule of 1 SP per review is followed then if they want to describe more than one visit the that's their choice.

Even if there is a change in services it doesn't mean it can be moved.

[LLPunting]

This one as an example https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=347372.0 , which has been put back in the review section, gives an overall picture of the services offered and how they start off good but tail off on subsequent visits. So the OP's final sentence "Overall, Daniela is a good punt only if you are going for 15mins. I can't give her a full positive as each of my visits the service became poorer so a neutral it is." gives members all the information they need in one place and the OP has decided on an overall neutral rating for his visits and that is his choice.

There is no difference in posting a review of one meeting then adding further posts detailing other visits and referring to 2 or 3 visits in the OP. Better the latter than posting several reviews of the same SP and being accused of touting.

We can't dictate how members post reviews as long as the rule of 1 SP per review is followed then if they want to describe more than one visit the that's their choice.

Even if there is a change in services it doesn't mean it can be moved.

 

[daviemac]

 

[Head1]

I have reviewed the "forum helper" logs for the last three months. Hardcore helpers do the lion's share of the "help", and the majority do nothing. Most of those, I suspect, don't even realise they have helper status.
I have trimmed down the helpers considerably as those who do nothing distract from the great work the helpful helpers do. The site would be a mess without them.
If anyone wishes to help, use the Contact at the bottom of the page, or pm me if you have earned that privilege.

[PatMacGroin]

I have reviewed the "forum helper" logs for the last three months. Hardcore helpers do the lion's share of the "help", and the majority do nothing. Most of those, I suspect, don't even realise they have helper status.
I have trimmed down the helpers considerably as those who do nothing distract from the great work the helpful helpers do. The site would be a mess without them.
If anyone wishes to help, use the Contact at the bottom of the page, or pm me if you have earned that privilege.

Fair enough. I see my helper status is one of those removed, and I'm not surprised.

I would occasionally add an AW number index to a review, if Goldfinch didn't beat me to it. I might have corrected a review rating once or twice, on the very few occasions I saw that requested. Other than that I wasn't sure what else I could do to help.

I'm not even sure why Old Admin made me a helper to be honest.

[Liverpool]

I've been amending titles to always read: WGs name, location, agency/any other wording.

I see the titles I've changed have been re-amended to name, agency, location, any other wording with the reason 'tidy' given.

Is there a best practice as I'd like to get it right and not have my efforts count for nothing and increase workloads for other forum helpers?

If there isn't, can other forum helpers stop duplicating the effort? Cheers.

[tesla]

I prefer to do it  in a slightly different order

name- any other information i.e. incall, toftt, touring, etc - location

so name first location last anything else in the middle, I believe it make for easier reading when looking at a page of reviews

personally I would prefer if people did not put "editorial" in the title and left that for the review

[puntingpumping1920]

Can forum helpers not change my subject titles for my reviews

Can someone change my recent review subject title back to it's original

"Kim - KL - Outcall"

[Liverpool]

Can forum helpers not change my subject titles for my reviews

Can someone change my recent review subject title back to it's original

"Kim - KL - Outcall"

Have done it for you.

[Kev40ish]

Can forum helpers not change my subject titles for my reviews

Can someone change my recent review subject title back to it's original

"Kim - KL - Outcall"

Not sure what the problem is as KL doesn’t really mean a lot to most people 

[scutty brown]

Can forum helpers not change my subject titles for my reviews

Can someone change my recent review subject title back to it's original

"Kim - KL - Outcall"

that is meaninglessly stupid
what does "KL" stand for? Kings Lynn?    "Kim Looney"?

[Lewis]

Not sure what the problem is as KL doesn’t really mean a lot to most people 

+1

However, if I see the location as MK, then I'm pretty sure 99% of people know that as Milton Keynes, so I don't bother correcting it.

What gets my goat is the poor spelling, lack of punctuation and grammar in subject headers. Oh, and being very vague.

[90125]

Shortening place names to letters is plain daft. It only helps those that know it and not the wider community looking for information from a search.

[Liverpool]

I believe KL is a high end escort agency that the OP frequents.

Agree with other sentiments, it is daft wanting it abbreviated

[sparkus]

+1

However, if I see the location as MK, then I'm pretty sure 99% of people know that as Milton Keynes, so I don't bother correcting it.

What gets my goat is the poor spelling, lack of punctuation and grammar in subject headers. Oh, and being very vague.

Same, though I only do it on Massage reviews and intel requests as it's too much work to do across the site.

I recently edited a vague intel request thread title (hairy minge) to reflect the standard format for intel threads in the London section and you edited it again out of caps because you thought it was "shouting". But the specialist intel threads on that board are all in caps (e.g. THICKER, BLACK, BUBBLE BUTT etc.)

[Liverpool]

Same, though I only do it on Massage reviews and intel requests as it's too much work to do across the site.

I recently edited a vague intel request thread title (hairy minge) to reflect the standard format for intel threads in the London section and you edited it again out of caps because you thought it was "shouting". But the specialist intel threads on that board are all in caps (e.g. THICKER, BLACK, BUBBLE BUTT etc.)

This is why I was trying to see if there's a standard we should be working to as forum helpers. We seem to be coming at the same issues from different directions and changing already changed titles. It comes across rightly or wrongly as people trying to maintain their forum helper status rather than doing it for the greater good of the forum.

[puntingpumping1920]

Shortening place names to letters is plain daft. It only helps those that know it and not the wider community looking for information from a search.

 
Scutty Brown changed my subject title for no reason
 
Can someone change my subject title to what I originally posted as -
 
"Kim - KL - Out call"
 
This guy is abusing his forum status position
 

[mrfishyfoo]

I prefer to do it  in a slightly different order

name- any other information i.e. incall, toftt, touring, etc - location

so name first location last anything else in the middle, I believe it make for easier reading when looking at a page of reviews

personally I would prefer if people did not put "editorial" in the title and left that for the review

This ^^^^

As an example

"Fuck my arse hard blondie" - a lass on tour - "A town/city in Scotland"

"Hot young blond" - an "agency name" lass - "A town/city in Wales"

"BBW blondie" - TOFTT - "A town/city in England"

of even

"Skinny brunette" - "location"

etc etc

[scutty brown]

 
Scutty Brown changed my subject title for no reason
 
Can someone change my subject title to what I originally posted as -
 
"Kim - KL - Out call"
 
This guy is abusing his forum status position

I changed it so that other members could make sense of it.   As it stood it was just nonsense

[lamboman]

 
Scutty Brown changed my subject title for no reason
 
Can someone change my subject title to what I originally posted as -
 
"Kim - KL - Out call"
 
This guy is abusing his forum status position

I've had subject titles changed for no reason too,small man syndrome I think.

[puntingpumping1920]

Not sure what the problem is as KL doesn’t really mean a lot to most people 

 
 
When an agency searches their name on google
 
Reviews pop up
 
I don't want them to read my reviews because they start making demands 
 
I want to be anonymous
 

[daviemac]

 
 
When an agency searches their name on google
 
Reviews pop up
 
I don't want them to read my reviews because they start making demands 
 
I want to be anonymous

I gave up counting at 11 of your previous reviews all with Kings Lover in the title.     KL makes no sense.

[scutty brown]

 
 
When an agency searches their name on google
 
Reviews pop up
 
I don't want them to read my reviews because they start making demands 
 
I want to be anonymous

You are anonymous unless you book as Mr Puntingpumping1920..................you don't do that do you?
But why not go the whole anonymous hog and disguise the girls names as well, make it really hard to track you

[puntingpumping1920]

I gave up counting at 11 of your previous reviews all with Kings Lover in the title.     KL makes no sense.

 
That was a mistake
 
These agencies are catching on to me
 
I can wait 6 months but that doesn't work when a girl has only met two customers in London

[OakTree]

I only noticed today I’m not a forum helper anymore when I went index review.

I cant say i was a prolific helper but i was surprised that also my message ability has been cut down to only able to message people I’ve messaged before.

[Liverpool]

 
That was a mistake
 
These agencies are catching on to me
 
I can wait 6 months but that doesn't work when a girl has only met two customers in London

And you think Kingslover are not going to be able to break your code?

[LLPunting]

 
That was a mistake
 
These agencies are catching on to me
 
I can wait 6 months but that doesn't work when a girl has only met two customers in London

Why and which agencies are blacklisting you (presume you're only seeing negative impact)?

[sparkus]

This is why I was trying to see if there's a standard we should be working to as forum helpers. We seem to be coming at the same issues from different directions and changing already changed titles. It comes across rightly or wrongly as people trying to maintain their forum helper status rather than doing it for the greater good of the forum.

In this case there already was an established trend/way of titling threads. Ones not in caps tend to be one-offs/singular.

I did once edit the long running title of one down from 'Soooooooooooooo...' to just 'So...' as the OP was banned. That and it was fucking absurd.

[90125]

We don’t need to be overly pedantic about naming conventions. Helpers should also check the Log before making a change as a Helper changing another Helper’s input is likely to irk.

[90125]

 
That was a mistake
 
These agencies are catching on to me
 
I can wait 6 months but that doesn't work when a girl has only met two customers in London

If you want to anonymise a Review to the extent that the information isn’t useful then it should probably be in the Discussions Board.

[puntingpumping1920]

If you want to anonymise a Review to the extent that the information isn’t useful then it should probably be in the Discussions Board.

 
That's cool
 
I think I got one more review from UKGG that I've been meaning to post
 
After that I will have to stop posting reviews from high end agencies 
 

[Liverpool]

We don’t need to be overly pedantic about naming conventions. Helpers should also check the Log before making a change as a Helper changing another Helper’s input is likely to irk.

Many thanks 90125 

[finn5555]

I only noticed today I’m not a forum helper anymore when I went index review.

I cant say i was a prolific helper but i was surprised that also my message ability has been cut down to only able to message people I’ve messaged before.

The idea of the site is to share information not discuss via private messages 

I have no idea if my ability to receive or send messages has changed as I rarely use it.
I was once also a forum helper but that was taken away when Head1 had a cull and as it’s his site and he’s the gaffer then that’s his choice 

Other than indexing a few reviews and changing a few things at a posters request I didn’t do much more.

[PatMacGroin]

 
 
When an agency searches their name on google
 
Reviews pop up
 
I don't want them to read my reviews because they start making demands 
 
I want to be anonymous

What sort of demands have been made of you?

And by which agencies?

[OakTree]

The idea of the site is to share information not discuss via private messages 

I have no idea if my ability to receive or send messages has changed as I rarely use it.
I was once also a forum helper but that was taken away when Head1 had a cull and as it’s his site and he’s the gaffer then that’s his choice 

Other than indexing a few reviews and changing a few things at a posters request I didn’t do much more.

I can’t say the restrictions of messages will impact my time on here as with forum helping it wasn’t something I did often, It was just that I noticed a large yellow banner now informing me of the restriction when I went to the messaging section.

As you say, his site, his rules. I’m happy with that.

[PatMacGroin]

 
 
When an agency searches their name on google
 
Reviews pop up
 
I don't want them to read my reviews because they start making demands 
 
I want to be anonymous

Btw, when I just googled the full version of "KL" without the ".com", the agency website doesn't generate a hit until the 3rd page of results. UKP doesn't get a mention until page 6, and it's not one of your reviews.

So I don't think google, and what you include in your review headings, is causing whatever problems you have experienced with these agencies.

[Head1]

I gave up counting at 11 of your previous reviews all with Kings Lover in the title.     KL makes no sense.

No abbreviations in the titles of reviews. New site rule

[LLPunting]

No abbreviations in the titles of reviews. New site rule

Presume "B&S" is accepted though?
TS?

[Head1]

Presume "B&S" is accepted, though?
TS?

Rule amended  Thanks

No abbreviations of establishments in the title of a review.

[lewisjones23]

I only noticed today I’m not a forum helper anymore when I went index review.

I cant say i was a prolific helper but i was surprised that also my message ability has been cut down to only able to message people I’ve messaged before.

noticed the same myself today

not sure when mine got removed/messages restricted

[90125]

noticed the same myself today

not sure when mine got removed/messages restricted

There was a clear out a few weeks ago of Helpers of anyone that hadn’t done any Helping for a few months.