DFK or FK why do so many get it wrong !

[SOSPunter]

One of my passions is DFK, that's a full on snog in my book, where we both try and tickle each others tonsils with our tongues.
In my experience so many SP's advertise this but, at best, only engage in very light FK where perhaps tongue tips may come into contact.
Is my definition correct, and do others encounter the same issue ?

[PaulRuff]

WGs are human, if they like you & you're perhaps their 'type' it stands to reason that you may get a more intense and sensual kiss than if they don't.

[Southernbloke]

For me proper snogging can turn an ordinary good punt into a really brilliant punt that I will then really do my best to repeat.
Even if a girl isn’t completely my type if she snogs then all is good

[MissWolf]

I like a bloody good snog fest as much as anyone and I get what you are saying OP but you have to consider that not everyone is skilled in the art of a DFK.

Many guys think they are skilled but they are not, it's not just about how far you can get your tongue into each others mouth,  there are lips involved or should be, it should be a sensual melding of lips with tongues entwined and exploring each other, done right it makes my knees go week and my mind scramble.

What I normally get is a guy with his  mouth open as far as he can get it like a wide mouth frog on speed, his Tonge comes out like a demented lizard trying to reach a bug and he shoves his face into me so hard my neck almost breaks,  then I'm playing goalie with my tongue trying to defend my mouth from the onslaught of a sticky dribbling loonatic, why most guys seem to think there is no lip action needed or that the wide mouth frog dribbling lizard tongue method is a turn on I have no idea but its the fastest way to get me to suck a cock that's for sure 

[Dipper]

I enjoyed your description of what makes DFK good for you MW. 

I like to slowly test the water first off… easy does it with lips and tongue.. then if both seem game, both can get deeper… including full on tongue sucking both ways.. even involve teeth/gums 

But I never push it when it’s obvious the tongue is rejected. When both are into it I can pop in milliseconds if not careful.

[SOSPunter]

I like a bloody good snog fest as much as anyone and I get what you are saying OP but you have to consider that not everyone is skilled in the art of a DFK.

Many guys think they are skilled but they are not, it's not just about how far you can get your tongue into each others mouth,  there are lips involved or should be, it should be a sensual melding of lips with tongues entwined and exploring each other, done right it makes my knees go week and my mind scramble.

What I normally get is a guy with his  mouth open as far as he can get it like a wide mouth frog on speed, his Tonge comes out like a demented lizard trying to reach a bug and he shoves his face into me so hard my neck almost breaks,  then I'm playing goalie with my tongue trying to defend my mouth from the onslaught of a sticky dribbling loonatic, why most guys seem to think there is no lip action needed or that the wide mouth frog dribbling lizard tongue method is a turn on I have no idea but its the fastest way to get me to suck a cock that's for sure 

You are far more articulate than me, but that's exactly what I meant. Deep and passionate with lip nibbles and a sensual melding of lips (a perfect description). I would be happy to do nothing more than that in a booking. I need to visit you as you are one of only a handful of ladies I've seen who get it ! Thank you for your comment.

[Steely Dan]

Escorts stretch the truth on their profile all the time.  And yes I agree, DFK vs FK is a frequent one - excellent DFK is more rare than, say, excellent OWO.  But that is why there is UKP.  And on top this is one reason why all reviews add value  You might understandably avoid the escort with 10 positives, but several (or the latest) mention 'only light kissing'.  Believe UKP not AW.  And review no matter what.

MissWolf, I tend to agree with and accept most of you posts, but not today. In this case we were talking about escorts being unwilling to provide a service mentioned on their likes list.  The fact that punters are rubbish at it, (similarly to being fat, or ugly) does not matter.  I'm sorry if you don't like frog mouth.  But escorting is not dating.

In the right context, escorts can coach a punter - particularly on 2nd+ visit.  I have accepted tips from escorts over the years.  But I am quite confident that you have not kissed (or tried to kiss) as many escorts as me.  They really do lie about offering this service and it is very annoying.

[jamesdean1964]

Escorts stretch the truth on their profile all the time.  And yes I agree, DFK vs FK is a frequent one - excellent DFK is more rare than, say, excellent OWO.  But that is why there is UKP.  And on top this is one reason why all reviews add value  You might understandably avoid the escort with 10 positives, but several (or the latest) mention 'only light kissing'.  Believe UKP not AW.  And review no matter what.

MissWolf, I tend to agree with and accept most of you posts, but not today. In this case we were talking about escorts being unwilling to provide a service mentioned on their likes list.  The fact that punters are rubbish at it, (similarly to being fat, or ugly) does not matter.  I'm sorry if you don't like frog mouth.  But escorting is not dating.

In the right context, escorts can coach a punter - particularly on 2nd+ visit.  I have accepted tips from escorts over the years.  But I am quite confident that you have not kissed (or tried to kiss) as many escorts as me.  They really do lie about offering this service and it is very annoying.

Totally agree with you Dan. Was recently discussing a booking with a escort who had French Kissing on her likes list. When I told her what I was looking for in a meet, she said, everything is fine but I don't kiss.  When I pointed it was on her likes list, the reply, I only kiss if I fancy you, so until we meet I can't day yes or no.
Totally ridiculous argument, if that's the case leave it off your profile and do it you fancy a client. 

[Hobbit]

Escorts stretch the truth on their profile all the time.  And yes I agree, DFK vs FK is a frequent one - excellent DFK is more rare than, say, excellent OWO.  But that is why there is UKP.  And on top this is one reason why all reviews add value  You might understandably avoid the escort with 10 positives, but several (or the latest) mention 'only light kissing'.  Believe UKP not AW.  And review no matter what.

MissWolf, I tend to agree with and accept most of you posts, but not today. In this case we were talking about escorts being unwilling to provide a service mentioned on their likes list.  The fact that punters are rubbish at it, (similarly to being fat, or ugly) does not matter.  I'm sorry if you don't like frog mouth.  But escorting is not dating.

In the right context, escorts can coach a punter - particularly on 2nd+ visit.  I have accepted tips from escorts over the years.  But I am quite confident that you have not kissed (or tried to kiss) as many escorts as me.  They really do lie about offering this service and it is very annoying.

Yes, many do lie about providing this service. So many excuses are given such as punter has bad mouth hygiene or they can't kiss. There may be some validity in some cases but not all the time. In my 25 years of punting and seeing over 140 escorts, only three or four have provided true passionate, engaging DFK. They provide this service guaranteed regardless of bad breath or punter kissing skills. This proves that if escorts truly wanted to provide this service they could do but refrain from doing so for their own reasons.

The other side of it is also that don't forget that not all escorts know how to kiss. I have met some terrible kissers, not knowing what to do with their tongues or just trying to kiss with an open mouth trying to engulf me like a whale.

[KatieEdinburgh]

only three or four have provided true passionate, engaging DFK. They provide this service guaranteed regardless of bad breath or punter kissing skills. This proves that if escorts truly wanted to provide this service they could do but refrain from doing so for their own reasons.

So you met a few who will kiss anyone with bad breath and you think every other SP should also? Hard disagree. You shouldn’t be forced to DFK clients with rancid breath as if it’s a good thing !!

[hendrix]

If you can't take care of your oral hygiene, you shouldn't be in this game on either side. Unfortunately, ime, too many people with hygiene issues don't have people close to them who are willing to call them out on it.

[Blackpool Rock]

I like a bloody good snog fest as much as anyone and I get what you are saying OP but you have to consider that not everyone is skilled in the art of a DFK.

Many guys think they are skilled but they are not, it's not just about how far you can get your tongue into each others mouth,  there are lips involved or should be, it should be a sensual melding of lips with tongues entwined and exploring each other, done right it makes my knees go week and my mind scramble.

What I normally get is a guy with his  mouth open as far as he can get it like a wide mouth frog on speed, his Tonge comes out like a demented lizard trying to reach a bug and he shoves his face into me so hard my neck almost breaks,  then I'm playing goalie with my tongue trying to defend my mouth from the onslaught of a sticky dribbling loonatic, why most guys seem to think there is no lip action needed or that the wide mouth frog dribbling lizard tongue method is a turn on I have no idea but its the fastest way to get me to suck a cock that's for sure 

That description reminds me of Pete Tranter's sister from Red Dwarf 

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[Blackpool Rock]

I agree with others that decent DFK can make or break a punt for me and raise an otherwise mediocre session into a really good one.

Realistically i'm happy to settle for FK or even light FK if that's all that's on offer however I also agree if a guy has Dragons breath then it's not on to expect the girl to get stuck in.

I like spicy food and tend to have something spicy immediately after a punt then abstain for a few days before a punt so that any spices and garlic etc have had time to fade away

I would also add however that some girls advertise it but then don't follow through and really they perhaps shouldn't have it on their profile carte blanch, i've wondered with a couple of girls if my breath was perhaps not 100% as I struggled to get closed lip kissing let along the snog fest advertised however seeing a different girl the following day resulted in full on tonsil hockey

[MissWolf]

Escorts stretch the truth on their profile all the time.  And yes I agree, DFK vs FK is a frequent one - excellent DFK is more rare than, say, excellent OWO.  But that is why there is UKP.  And on top this is one reason why all reviews add value  You might understandably avoid the escort with 10 positives, but several (or the latest) mention 'only light kissing'.  Believe UKP not AW.  And review no matter what.

MissWolf, I tend to agree with and accept most of you posts, but not today. In this case we were talking about escorts being unwilling to provide a service mentioned on their likes list.  The fact that punters are rubbish at it, (similarly to being fat, or ugly) does not matter.  I'm sorry if you don't like frog mouth.  But escorting is not dating.

In the right context, escorts can coach a punter - particularly on 2nd+ visit.  I have accepted tips from escorts over the years.  But I am quite confident that you have not kissed (or tried to kiss) as many escorts as me.  They really do lie about offering this service and it is very annoying.

Steely, apologies I wrote that in a hurry this morning on my way out.

 I am in agreement with you, misrepresentation on a profile is imo not good for anyone, I read review after review on here and it is a common theme on most of the neutral and negative ones, I really feel for you as punters and can understand the anger or frustration when you pay for a service that is not delivered,  even after confirming it and especially if you pay an extra charge for it, punting is in effect a lottery,  hence why when you find a good escort they become a regular.

I'm also in agreement that it's not only punters or men who can't kiss, or can't DFK, so many don't seem to include open lips or tongues in the action, I have on many occasion done some coaching in the art of kissing well, or how I feel well is for me. I can however only give this from my perspective and when a guy can kiss OMG does that make a difference,  one of my favourite kissers and I'm including dfk in that term, is a client you would certainly not call attractive (or at least I wouldn't) but that man has skills when he kisses and skills in the sack, so much so that I can hardly get off the bed at the end of the booking 

Hobbit I don't agree that DFK should be provided to everyone regardless of hygiene,  that's like saying if her fanny stinks like billingsgate fish market and she has RO on her profile then you should go for it anyway. Some services have to be at discretion,  I will not do OWO on a cock with a closed foreskin,  it's not hygienic, just as I wouldn't expect a punter to lick a smelly Vag, looks have nothing to do with it in my book, but hygiene does.

[Lilywhite]

I offer DFK (what I consider 'washing machine' technique- mouth open, tongue doing the work) but I far prefer sensual L/Medium FK (more of a 'lick-dragging your lips to close your mouth- lick' technique) but I'm ok to vary it. If someone goes for washing machine I will follow their lead, if not I do the latter.

If that makes sense 

[akauya]

I offer DFK (what I consider 'washing machine' technique- mouth open, tongue doing the work) but I far prefer sensual L/Medium FK (more of a 'lick-dragging your lips to close your mouth- lick' technique) but I'm ok to vary it. If someone goes for washing machine I will follow their lead, if not I do the latter.

If that makes sense 

Makes perfect sense to me and something I enjoy too. Never been a fan of slobbery 'washing machine' DFKs.

[Bassman]

It’s the stick their tongue out and make circles ones that I find odd. Literally like when a kid sticks its tongue out. That’s not DFK or FK in my opinion.

[OakTree]

Kissing of any sort used to be a major part of a punt for me at one time but to be honest I’ve had some great fucks with no kissing at all. I just don’t give a fuck now whether they do it or not. If they want to kiss then they will and that’s great but it’s not a deal breaker for me.

As I don’t push it or even try now, when the do engage it’s far nicer as I’m guessing it’s what they want. 

[Stevelondon]

I offer DFK (what I consider 'washing machine' technique- mouth open, tongue doing the work) but I far prefer sensual L/Medium FK (more of a 'lick-dragging your lips to close your mouth- lick' technique) but I'm ok to vary it. If someone goes for washing machine I will follow their lead, if not I do the latter.

If that makes sense 

As has been mentioned Lily. The subject of hygiene gets mentioned every so often. Punters sometimes grade there their reviews accordingly because of it.
I personally would never expect a SP I am seeing to perform wonderfully well (if at all) in the kissing department. If I turned up with a mouthful of rotten teeth or with breath so bad it would make a girl gag.
How do you yourself cope in instances like this.
If it’s not too personal/private a question that is. ?

[Lilywhite]

As has been mentioned Lily. The subject of hygiene gets mentioned every so often. Punters sometimes grade there their reviews accordingly because of it.
I personally would never expect a SP I am seeing to perform wonderfully well (if at all) in the kissing department. If I turned up with a mouthful of rotten teeth or with breath so bad it would make a girl gag.
How do you yourself cope in instances like this.
If it’s not too personal/private a question that is. ?

I must be very lucky but I've never experienced this. I have 2 or 3 mouthwashes very visible in the bathroom though, and most people take a swig beforehand.

Perhaps I have a strong resistance though- I used to be a dental nurse and have assisted in removing teeth with massive abscesses. Once you've smelled that, I can't imagine any oders from the mouth could compare.

[Strawberry]

As has been mentioned Lily. The subject of hygiene gets mentioned every so often. Punters sometimes grade there their reviews accordingly because of it.
I personally would never expect a SP I am seeing to perform wonderfully well (if at all) in the kissing department. If I turned up with a mouthful of rotten teeth or with breath so bad it would make a girl gag.
How do you yourself cope in instances like this.
If it’s not too personal/private a question that is. ?

Only a handful of times once or twice when a punter has consumed a moderate to large amount of alcohol in addition to smoking, both dry the mouth out and the sometimes aged alcohol has been starting to change composition. On one occasion my visitor had brought half a bottle of wine with him, on questioning part way he told me he had already drank a full bottle. I explained I like to kiss deeply but I was unable to engage in that as much as I would usually because of the effect of the amount of wine on his mouth. Since my sobriety spell started (10yrs+) I had had a few occasions where a punter is enjoying some wine, takes a mouthful, swallows then kisses me immediately this for me is very close to licking around the wine glass - very difficult. I tend to mention this in advance if I think the punter will having an alcoholic drink, just so he leaves a gap between the alcohol and kissing.

I accept bookings from smokers most are very hygiene aware, try to avoid having a cigarette immediately before their booking, and use mouthwash, mints, drink plenty of water. Many years ago one punter had such a heavy smoking habit it was like kissing an ashtray, his moustache, lips, hands were nicotine stained, tongue covered in a thick layer of tobacco residue his lungs crackled loudly on every breath. This was very difficult, but the entire booking was difficult due to various other issues and didn't repeat for several reasons that would take a paragraph or two to get through, but I did tell him I found it difficult to kiss him.

Some mouthwashes can actually leave some people's mouths sticky or drooling, this happened to a repeat booker. Sometimes a punter may have a dry mouth result of nerves and or simply dehydrated.

[big-al93]

Only a handful of times once or twice when a punter has consumed a moderate to large amount of alcohol in addition to smoking, both dry the mouth out and the sometimes aged alcohol has been starting to change composition. On one occasion my visitor had brought half a bottle of wine with him, on questioning part way he told me he had already drank a full bottle. I explained I like to kiss deeply but I was unable to engage in that as much as I would usually because of the effect of the amount of wine on his mouth. Since my sobriety spell started (10yrs+) I had had a few occasions where a punter is enjoying some wine, takes a mouthful, swallows then kisses me immediately this for me is very close to licking around the wine glass - very difficult. I tend to mention this in advance if I think the punter will having an alcoholic drink, just so he leaves a gap between the alcohol and kissing.

I accept bookings from smokers most are very hygiene aware, try to avoid having a cigarette immediately before their booking, and use mouthwash, mints, drink plenty of water. Many years ago one punter had such a heavy smoking habit it was like kissing an ashtray, his moustache, lips, hands were nicotine stained, tongue covered in a thick layer of tobacco residue his lungs crackled loudly on every breath. This was very difficult, but the entire booking was difficult due to various other issues and didn't repeat for several reasons that would take a paragraph or two to get through, but I did tell him I found it difficult to kiss him.

Some mouthwashes can actually leave some people's mouths sticky or drooling, this happened to a repeat booker. Sometimes a punter may have a dry mouth result of nerves and or simply dehydrated.

Even putting your personal reasons for not drinking aside, I cannot imagine drinking during a booking with an escort who was not partaking, maybe one with the meal on a dinner date, and mostly would only happen if I ordered first and wasn't aware the SP was not having an alcoholic drink. As a mostly incall punter I am usually driving anyway, but drinking on my own is not something I would tend to do. It just doesn't feel right.

[honeypot]

As has been mentioned Lily. The subject of hygiene gets mentioned every so often. Punters sometimes grade there their reviews accordingly because of it.
I personally would never expect a SP I am seeing to perform wonderfully well (if at all) in the kissing department. If I turned up with a mouthful of rotten teeth or with breath so bad it would make a girl gag.
How do you yourself cope in instances like this.
If it’s not too personal/private a question that is. ?

  I had guys try and deep French kiss me, with bad breath, bad teeth,  garlic or tuna breath it's a very awkward situation, because ..........you cant tell them why you dont want to kiss them, because it will offend them. i offer French kissing,  but I always advertise it at discretion- with a short notice, that oral hygiene is important  to me. I offer disposable toothbrushes and toothpaste kits with mouthwash, however you can't force people to use them. Most of the time, you just got to deal with it, the best you can. If it's too bad, you may have to avoid it, and just kiss without the tongues.

[Stevelondon]

Thank you ladies for your response. 👍🏻

[Tyramhall]

Kissing and giving oral are 2 things I only do to the mrs. The thought of kissing someone who has been swallowing spunk all day does nothing for me but shagging them is a different matter 

[Stevelondon]

Kissing and giving oral are 2 things I only do to the mrs. The thought of kissing someone who has been swallowing spunk all day does nothing for me but shagging them is a different matter 

You could always go for those SP’s who DON’T do CIM and swallow. 😂

[pantywetter]

Kissing is the only reason I punt really.

If there is no kissing in a punt I would (nearly) rather watch paint dry.

If there is a good snog then 99% im going to walk away happy.

[Will2k]

Because like many trades traditional functions are big lost. The creation of centers of excellence and education should the encrouged to ensure techniques are not lost.

[MissWolf]

Because like many trades traditional functions are big lost. The creation of centers of excellence and education should the encrouged to ensure techniques are not lost.

I'm sorry am I reading this right...are you suggesting there are essentially schools for kissing?

[Doc Holliday]

I'm sorry am I reading this right...are you suggesting there are essentially schools for kissing?

Traditionally known as 'bike sheds'.

I don't understand the post either?

*EDIT now potentially illegal i believe.