Have these times really affected trade?

[BillyBlueHat]

Hi

I was on another forum and sps for talking about how they got no business, but having spoken to some girls, they are all saying that trade as not affected them.

They have their regulars and business is as normal.

These times may have effected trade at the beginning, but would you say that its now business as normal, say minus 10% ?

Thx

B

[Comicman]

Seems to me that prices have increased amongst the newbies entering the trade

[ayynice]

It seems the ones who kept the services available still had bored and eager punters awaiting them which I feel some have exploited with some price rises.

[hunkybc]

I think so. I was having a look on the saafe forum. Makes an interesting read and an insight from the WGs view. Anyway it looks like a large percentage of them were expecting trade to get better but it simply hasn't. Now it sounds like half of them are worried and they will have to get other work to pay for their their ways!

The main thing...unless you have many zero's in your bank account  the sensible punter isn't going to throw away disposable income and punting in these unprecedented and challenging times, when no one knows what is around the corner.

[JamesKW]

I guess it depend where you are located,in central London,without a doubt as there is little lunch time,early evening trade and no travelling business men.A bit further out,say Tottenham,it is likley no change in trade for the cheap EE girls.Punters are risk tolerant by their nature,on this board it seems to have snowballed since the beginning of July.

[pewpewpew]

The few WGs I have asked about this have said that the lockdown did not affect them at all. These girls are all outside central London and are priced normally, so perhaps it only affects inner city girls and/or those that charge an exuberant price

[threechilliman]

The few WGs I have asked about this have said that the lockdown did not affect them at all. These girls are all outside central London and are priced normally, so perhaps it only affects inner city girls and/or those that charge an exuberant price

What they say and reality may be very different...

[expeller]

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I agree, they are not going to say demand is slack in case it prompts a request for a discount. Following the posts on SAAFE it would definitely seem that demand has dwindled.

[JamesKW]

I agree, they are not going to say demand is slack in case it prompts a request for a discount. Following the posts on SAAFE it would definitely seem that demand has dwindled.

SAAFE I dont think is typical,these are generally over priced English girls.I have read on there that some are going to reduce their services as a result of COVID.If they do this and charge the same no wonder they dont get any business.

[BillyBlueHat]

Would you guys say that the same is for escort agencies, their business must be totally dead?

I called one place, he even tried to discount the girl for a good price for 2 hours.

[willie loman]

couple of edinburgh saunas, close early in the evening, no customers.

[willie loman]

couple of edinburgh saunas, close early in the evening, no customers.

mind you their problems predated covo, the well run places, blair st, newtown, are busy enough.

[aronteo]

I guess it depend where you are located,in central London,without a doubt as there is little lunch time,early evening trade and no travelling business men.A bit further out,say Tottenham,it is likley no change in trade for the cheap EE girls.Punters are risk tolerant by their nature,on this board it seems to have snowballed since the beginning of July.

I think that you are making a crucial point, as many clients of wgs in London are travelling business men (both from the UK and abroad).   

[Gordon Bennett]

Well, it's a cash-in-hand "black economy" enterprise so there will never be a definitive unequivocal evidence-based answer. Posts on internet forums or anecdotal details from an escort are virtually useless indicators. I reckon common sense would suggest that total volume of punting is massively down on last year. Maybe a few areas that were already seriously economically depressed prior to Covid might have seen little change but they will be a drop in the ocean compared to the nation-wide picture.

[king tarzan]

I tread on egg shells now... rare here and there and then count the days and 
and i can't be arsed to make that a routine!!!

[GorillaWarfare]

There's a lot of girls looking to make up for lost time by increasing their prices. That coupled with the uncertainty of everything (COVID, the dreaded 'B' word) means punters are at best looking for more value for money and at worst not looking at all. There might come a time where WG will have to cut their losses and either go back down or get out the game.

There's been a bunch of new girls starting with $150 p/h price tag here in the North West, I find, with basic service. Some even go with £150 + whatever for extras which is a bit of a rip-off even in normal circumstances, but especially now I would never go for.

I think this time next year the punting scene will look completely different to what it does now. It's gonna go one of two ways, and it very much depends just how many people are willing to pay that sort of money. If there's enough, it'll stay high, if there isn't, some girls will go low. In this game, you're only worth what someone is willing to pay for you.

[whoya.kiddin]

Enough of the SP's on my hot list are not working for me to believe business is bad.  I follow new starters in London and it also looks slow at the moment compared to previous years.  It looks like fewer punters, less money about and a lot less SP's coming in to the country.

However this thing is no where near over yet with the full effects of Br***t and COVID still to play out.  My instinct is that a weaker economy is generally good for the punter with cash in his pocket. I suspect/hope that by the time I am back in the saddle supply will be outstripping demand.

[Buttons]

SP’s are definitely putting prices up in my area or not working at the moment. Lots not replying to enquires. Had a conversation with one recently who had put her 2 hour incall price up by £100. When I politely mentioned it she claimed she’d always been this price, I knew she hadn’t as I have a message from her from late last year confirming the £100 cheaper price.

This leads me to think either she’s making the same money through less work, or she doesn’t need the work for whatever reason, or she’s just a bit thick. Anyway, she’s not getting my business.

I haven’t punted since February, could fancy a session, but given the background risk of this virus, the cost increases and lack of choice I’m keeping my hard earned in the bank. Strangely satisfying watching the balance climb every month knowing I’ve not wasted it on a crap shag, but also frustrating some of it hasn’t gone on a great session.

[WelshClipper]

I haven't noticed any reduction in prices since lock down. My AW searches seem to be pretty much the same as February. If anything, there are more pressing the 200ph mark than I remember.

What I have noticed is an easing of the booking procedures. A simple phone call gets you in. Or when not displayed, a quick request for a phone number through AW email gets results.

After all, all the profiles insisting on a booking request on AW, are sort of SOL at the moment until adultwork lifts the ban. 

[masseyferguson]

Well, it's a cash-in-hand "black economy" enterprise so there will never be a definitive unequivocal evidence-based answer. Posts on internet forums or anecdotal details from an escort are virtually useless indicators. I reckon common sense would suggest that total volume of punting is massively down on last year. Maybe a few areas that were already seriously economically depressed prior to Covid might have seen little change but they will be a drop in the ocean compared to the nation-wide picture.

Well said GB, I like a bit of common sense ... of course trade is down ... doh, it is everywhere !!

[dirkdiggler583]

the money has moved, where before I would travel into the city and punt - I have no reason to be in the city so see folks in different places.
It will be the city/commuter belt girls hardest hit

[anyfucker]

I guess it depend where you are located,in central London,without a doubt as there is little lunch time,early evening trade and no travelling business men.A bit further out,say Tottenham,it is likley no change in trade for the cheap EE girls.Punters are risk tolerant by their nature,on this board it seems to have snowballed since the beginning of July.

Yes, it's still quiet in central London with many people working from home so no easy excuse for married punters.

[Rochelle]

Hi

I was on another forum and sps for talking about how they got no business, but having spoken to some girls, they are all saying that trade as not affected them.

They have their regulars and business is as normal.

These times may have effected trade at the beginning, but would you say that its now business as normal, say minus 10% ?

Thx

B

I started working again late July and for me, it has definitely affected business.

[Cactus]

I started working again late July and for me, it has definitely affected business.

Good to see it’s not impacted your ability to be a pedant.

[Cactus]

For the professional self employed escorts who keep up to date with their taxes and were thus able to lodge a claim on the Governments self employment income support scene, I’d think that there would be an opportunity to hunker down & live off this and savings. They’ve probably been a decent position where they can safely ride out the storm. Might need to lay off the loubiton’s mind!

For the escorts who live hand to mouth, don’t pay a lick of tax and scrape up enough cash in order to pay the rent every month, it’s obviously going to be a much tougher time. Escorts have the earning potential to build up a very nice wee nest egg and hopefully this will be the wake up call for some (and wider society) that spending every penny you earn isn’t wise.

I’ve seen a couple with the begging bowl out on twitter etc, which frankly is just pretty sad, in every sense of the word.

The whole country is in a recession/depression so of course escorting will suffer. Non essential and luxury  spending are always the first to go and paying an escort for sex is about as non essential as it gets in the grand scheme of things.

[winkywanky]

I was having a look on the saafe forum. Makes an interesting read and an insight from the WGs view. Anyway it looks like a large percentage of them were expecting trade to get better but it simply hasn't. Now it sounds like half of them are worried and they will have to get other work to pay for their their ways!

In any other business you'd cut your prices a little to attract what trade there was. In other words, actually compete with your competition for that smaller market.

But this is pussy we're talking about here, and logical pragmatism goes out the window when it's a girl selling it.

[davidgood]

I think that the number of reviews posted on UKP is a good barometer of how trade is going.

Reviews  virtually dried up at the start of Lockdown apart from those which were write ups of encounters pre Lockdown.

Since restrictions were lifted then the number of reviews posted has started to increase, particularly in London where there seem to be guys prepared to pay high end prices.

Although there are no official figures to support it, I think most people have a gut feel that there is a decline in the number of encounters taking place,  for several reasons such as increased prices, lack of girls as many foreigners have gone home and some UK girls are still not back to work. But primarily it is lack of opportunity when you are stuck at home and not going to the office or out and about so you can fit in meetings. I had about 3 months confined to home but now I can go out a bit and fit the odd meet up. Which reminds me I have a couple of reviews to write up and post.

Regards,

davidgood

[RadioKid]

Another dynamic is, The lockdown has made most punters realise how much they were actually spending on Escorts/Massages/SA. This isn't going out for the casual meal with family/friends - It costs far more.

The novelty soon fast wears off and it is pretty clear, to me, there is a high level of addiction to this game.

It's been pretty interesting to me seeing some of the older/experienced punters slowly retire or walk away from the game with their aged Wisdom. Not to mention those who enjoy having a slightly fatter wallet as a result of the Lockdown.

Says alot.

[king tarzan]

oh stop feeling sorry for them.. think about 1A which is yourselves...

[winkywanky]

Another dynamic is, The lockdown has made most punters realise how much they were actually spending on Escorts/Massages/SA. This isn't going out for the casual meal with family/friends - It costs far more.

The novelty soon fast wears off and it is pretty clear, to me, there is a high level of addiction to this game.

It's been pretty interesting to me seeing some of the older/experienced punters slowly retire or walk away from the game with their aged Wisdom. Not to mention those who enjoy having a slightly fatter wallet as a result of the Lockdown.

Says alot.

This is all very true.

I've saved a lot in Lockdown, that'll be for various reasons but certainly the biggest is the lack of punting over that time.

I haven't given up but it's true what you say about addiction in this game. To varying extents I think most of us are addicted. Or at least, in some kind of denial about how much money we spend on it.

I've had a couple of punts since loosening of the restrictions but I find myself being a bit more choosy now.

[tonystark]

I see my regular who's working in a Soho TCM every week and she says business is pretty bad - sometimes only 1 client a day. In December 2019 I had trouble booking with her as she was getting through 7 to 10 customers a day, then in the 8 weeks before lockdown it got quieter and quieter. Last week we went to the pub after my regular visit (I know her quite well now) and we both sat there chatting all afternoon, her phone never rung.

She had built up a good regular client list going back several years but she says she's not seen around 60% of them since reopening and of course the passing trade, tourists and business travellers filled in the gaps -most of which are now missing or heavily reduced. The recent Eat out the Help out food thing brought people flocking to Soho area and brought in more customers on those days but this week she says is quieter again after the offer finished. They used to have 3 girls working in her TCM last year, now only her.

[Charlie Chalk]

I see my regular who's working in a Soho TCM every week and she says business is pretty bad - sometimes only 1 client a day. In December 2019 I had trouble booking with her as she was getting through 7 to 10 customers a day, then in the 8 weeks before lockdown it got quieter and quieter. Last week we went to the pub after my regular visit (I know her quite well now) and we both sat there chatting all afternoon, her phone never rung.

She had built up a good regular client list going back several years but she says she's not seen around 60% of them since reopening and of course the passing trade, tourists and business travellers filled in the gaps -most of which are now missing or heavily reduced. The recent Eat out the Help out food thing brought people flocking to Soho area and brought in more customers on those days but this week she says is quieter again after the offer finished. They used to have 3 girls working in her TCM last year, now only her.

You have a reg who you have seen a number of times in the last 6 months at least, you’ve been a member on here for 4 years and yet have never reviewed her or any other WG’s you may have seen.

Leech

[mightymunce]

A couple i know are fully booked although one is not full time.

Am surprised that they are busy tbh

[billybobsmith]

Pros and cons to this for me.

On one hand, a woman having less clients in a day makes things far less conveyor belt like than as said above, 7 or so in a day, now down to 1.  Whether that means shell put more effort into try and gain a regular, who knows?

On the other, those who are working, and possibly have a good rep could well be booked up.
Been trying a few for the last couple of weeks and either fully booked, not working evenings, outcalls only now, or they've slapped £30 onto their rate and I'm not willing to take a chance on them.at a premium price. £120 is bad enough for a mundane punt, but even with glowing reviews, I would be reluctant to spend even more if I caught her on a bad day, which happens.

Tried a couple of girls from Seeking, and for the most part, a waste money as they were practically working girls.  That has put me off a bit.  Would rather keep my cash for the right girl than throw it around on blind guesses.

Quite a few of the pre-lockdoen ones haven't returned to AW, or perhaps they're only seeing regulars who already have their number.

Perhaps the kids being back at school might bring more back into the fold?

[Home Alone]

Perhaps the kids being back at school might bring more back into the fold?

It usually does, but these are strange times. I'm sure I noticed on the 6.00 news that the infection rate seems to be rising again.

[WelshClipper]

Quite a few of the pre-lockdoen ones haven't returned to AW, or perhaps they're only seeing regulars who already have their number.

Many profiles say "not returning till 2021" or "taking a break until its safe". Others have just completely shut down.

I expect a lot won't come back until the vaccine race is won. Especially if escorting is just a sideline.

There are probably loads of different reasons including taking early retirement. 

[billybobsmith]

It usually does, but these are strange times. I'm sure I noticed on the 6.00 news that the infection rate seems to be rising again.

They seem to be testing more people so it's fairly obvious that more people should test positive.  That said, spending a lot of time in the NW, no-one I know has had anything since before lockdown, nor do they know of anyone who has tested positive.

I expect a few women with families aren't going to want to further expose them to something she may have picked up in the family bed.  Same with men - are you going to potentially risk your family?
Also, with a lot of people working from home for the foreseeable future, who knows if a lot will ever be able to return?

A lot of the ones I've seen on AW seem to be Romanian, Brazilian, and/or have neutral to bad reviews here.
Few seem to jump out as ones to avoid what with Sergei style copy and paste profiles.
Not that much choice to be honest unless your eager to shag anything going.

[Birdwatcher61]

Another dynamic is, The lockdown has made most punters realise how much they were actually spending on Escorts/Massages/SA. This isn't going out for the casual meal with family/friends - It costs far more.

The novelty soon fast wears off and it is pretty clear, to me, there is a high level of addiction to this game.

It's been pretty interesting to me seeing some of the older/experienced punters slowly retire or walk away from the game with their aged Wisdom. Not to mention those who enjoy having a slightly fatter wallet as a result of the Says alot.

I think this is very true, except there is an itch to scratch

[GingerNuts]

I think this is very true, except there is an itch to scratch

More than two years and you haven't scratched your itch yet

[Bonker]

Good to see it’s not impacted your ability to be a pedant.

I don't want to divert this thread but...
Why are people who point out poor English instantly labelled as pedants? It's not excessively concerned with minor details, it's respect for good communication.

[luv2kiss54]

Another dynamic is, The lockdown has made most punters realise how much they were actually spending on Escorts/Massages/SA. This isn't going out for the casual meal with family/friends - It costs far more.

The novelty soon fast wears off and it is pretty clear, to me, there is a high level of addiction to this game.

It's been pretty interesting to me seeing some of the older/experienced punters slowly retire or walk away from the game with their aged Wisdom. Not to mention those who enjoy having a slightly fatter wallet as a result of the Lockdown.

Says alot.

Very true i  was addicted to punting before the lockdown often doing it out of habit rather than need but even after a run of bad punts or being messed about i still kept doing it. The lockdown has brought me to my senses and to be honest i have enjoyed a rest from it albeit have been tempted once or twice. Here's hoping the escorts who treat punters with contempt will appreciate bookings made with them in the future but i doubt it.

[winkywanky]

I don't want to divert this thread but...
Why are people who point out poor English instantly labelled as pedants? It's not excessively concerned with minor details, it's respect for good communication.

I would defiantly agree with that.

[Bonker]

That's easy for you to say.

[Rochelle]

I don't want to divert this thread but...
Why are people who point out poor English instantly labelled as pedants? It's not excessively concerned with minor details, it's respect for good communication.

[LLPunting]

I would defiantly agree with that.

  

Still using T9? 

[JamesKW]

  Same with men - are you going to potentially risk your family?

I can see your point here,but back in February/March we had a more couldnt care less attitude to the virus and it was much more prevalent in London then,than it is now.You can catch the virus anywhere,back then I was crammed like sardines in tube trains with people coughing and spluttering over me,without facemasks and it wasnt even an enjoyable experience like punting.I am pretty sure I had a mild dose of it in March,so the family are always at risk of getting it.I am sure most prossies have already had the virus (particularly in London,and particularly the cheap EE girls)with the amount of men they were seeing back then.

[Happylad]

I don't want to divert this thread but...
Why are people who point out poor English instantly labelled as pedants? It's not excessively concerned with minor details, it's respect for good communication.

I wouldn`t worry, I`ve just noticed a couple of split infinitives go unchallenged

[JonasG]

I don't want to divert this thread but...
Why are people who point out poor English instantly labelled as pedants? It's not excessively concerned with minor details, it's respect for good communication.

Depends.

If it's easily understood what was meant then it's unnecessary. (Like it was in this case)

[Rochelle]

Depends.

If it's easily understood what was meant then it's unnecessary. (Like it was in this case)

I'm glad I pointed it out. The topic of the thread was corrected.

[Gordon Bennett]

Any time I'm wondering whether to say affected or effected I bottle out and say impacted.