GUM check and RO / OWO advice

[SUMO61]

Just been for my regular check up. Great service, very discreet and professional.

A few things worth reporting:

A possible  " gential warts " on my upper thigh and one near my anus turned out to be skin tags. So, appearances can be deceptive and guessing symptoms is a waste of time. Ask a doctor.

The other thing was the Doc's advice on reverse oral (RO)  He said it was extremely low risk and he had never seen any STI transmission from this in fifteen years of practice. He told me the clitoris and vaginal fluid presented very little danger, unless there was a obvious sore present.

OWO he said was low risk, but recommended use of a condom for peace of mind.

He also said sex with independent WGs was much safer than casual sex with civvies, because they are in business to stay clean and get checked regulary. He said a number used his clinic on a regular basis for checks.

My results in a week, but he expects an all clear.

[smiths]

Just been for my regular check up. Great service, very discreet and professional.

A few things worth reporting:

A possible  " gential warts " on my upper thigh and one near my anus turned out to be skin tags. So, appearances can be deceptive and guessing symptoms is a waste of time. Ask a doctor.

The other thing was the Doc's advice on reverse oral (RO)  He said it was extremely low risk and he had never seen any STI transmission from this in fifteen years of practice. He told me the clitoris and vaginal fluid presented very little danger, unless there was a obvious sore present.

OWO he said was low risk, but recommended use of a condom for peace of mind.

He also said sex with independent WGs was much safer than casual sex with civvies, because they are in business to stay clean and get checked regulary. He said a number used his clinic on a regular basis for checks.

My results in a week, but he expects an all clear.

Who is an Independent WG though, ANY WG could have a pimp for all I would know. I also don't know what ANY WG is doing and with whom just like a civvie but what is very likely is a WG who advertises punts with more guys than most civvies so I don't agree with the Doctors advice on that point. Also him seeing a number of WGs getting tested on a regular basis doesn't mean many or most WGs do of course.

Anyway, I hope you get a clean bill of health.

[SUMO61]

Who is an Independent WG though, ANY WG could have a pimp for all I would know. I also don't know what ANY WG is doing and with whom just like a civvie but what is very likely is a WG who advertises punts with more guys than most civvies so I don't agree with the Doctors advice on that point. Also him seeing a number of WGs getting tested on a regular basis doesn't mean many or most WGs do of course.

Anyway, I hope you get a clean bill of health.

Thanks for your best wishes, appreciated.

With all due respect, i'm more inclined to listen to GUM doctor's opinion, based on his fifteen years clinical experience. He's probably examined and treated more folks than we've seen WGs.  I think it's important to bring some balance to this site. There are more than a few " glass half empty" opinions about punting and risks on here, based on no medical expertise.

Incidentally, i've had this advice before from other clinicians, so it's not an exclusive bit of medical advice and it's certainly consistent.

Anyway, it's a forum and all about opinions, so i'm with the doctor on this one

[smiths]

Thanks for your best wishes, appreciated.

With all due respect, i'm more inclined to listen to GUM doctor's opinion, based on his fifteen years clinical experience. He's probably examined and treated more folks than we've seen WGs.  I think it's important to bring some balance to this site. There are more than a few " glass half empty" opinions about punting and risks on here, based on no medical expertise.

Incidentally, i've had this advice before from other clinicians, so it's not an exclusive bit of medical advice and it's certainly consistent.

Anyway, it's a forum and all about opinions, so i'm with the doctor on this one

I wasn't trying to convince you I was right, just posting my view on what the Doctor said on that point and why I disagreed with him.

[walking dead]

He also said sex with independent WGs was much safer than casual sex with civvies, because they are in business to stay clean and get checked regulary. He said a number used his clinic on a regular basis for checks.

My results in a week, but he expects an all clear.

Is he saying "casual sex with civvies" meaning likely unprotected sex?

I would agree that's more risky then protected sex with an escort.

But, I would have thought a prossie is more likely to have something to catch?

[martell]

Depends on the STIs. You're way more likely to get HPV from an escort than a civil for instance. That is because testing for HPV is difficult.

[SUMO61]

Is he saying "casual sex with civvies" meaning likely unprotected sex?

I would agree that's more risky then protected sex with an escort.

But, I would have thought a prossie is more likely to have something to catch?

According to this report, published in the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections, only 15.6%  of men who pay for sex get an STI diagnosis. So, that's a whopping 84.4% that get one from sex with civvies. Which is what the doctor said to me. WGs = less risk...

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Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, as they say 

[walking dead]

But the point is, men who visit wgs generally use protection.
I guess it's less likely using protection with civvies , maybe that accounts for the difference?

I just don't believe protected sex with civvies is more risky then protected sex with escorts. I think it's silly for the doctor to say it's more risky with civvies if he isn't comparing apples with apples

[walking dead]

According to this report, published in the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections, only 15.6%  of men who pay for sex get an STI diagnosis. So, that's a whopping 84.4% that get one from sex with civvies. Which is what the doctor said to me. WGs = less risk...

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Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, as they say 

Also if only 15.6 % men who pay for sex get a diagnosis that only means the remainder of men who pay for sex don't.

There is no automatic relationship with what percentage of men who don't pay for sex get an sti

[SUMO61]

We'll all believe what we want to believe, I guess.

But, I think it's a fairly well embedded myth that WGs are walking bags of STIs. It doesn't make sense for them to not take care, as it means they can't work and it's very bad for business.

That's then backed up by statistics from the industry body, stating a very small percentage of men get STIs through paying for sex.

Then, we have an experienced clinicians view, that prostitutes tend to take more care than civvies.

Doesn't stop me worrying though, but the facts tell me it's not very logical too..

[walking dead]

The facts you have presented dont mean anything.
Happy to look at any others though.

If you were to play cock roulette and dip your uncovered cock in a random civvie or random escort, what would you choose?

I would choose a civvy everytime

[LL]

I've been to many different sexual health clinics over the years and talked to lots of different doctors and nurses about the risks involved with encounters with "sex workers". Based on what I've been told I do not risk RO with prostitutes. I think the OP has taken what the doctor has said as gospel since it's what he wanted to hear. He could talk to another doctor and be told something different. I think they would all agree that there is risk involved though with any sexual activity and of course those which are unprotected are of a higher risk. So decide for yourself OP what level of risk you want to take. That's entirely up to you. But don't kid yourself by latching on to the first piece of professional advice that conveniently fits in line with your ideal scenario. I could point you towards plenty of advice contrary to what you were told and from reputable sources.

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[justfornow]

The facts you have presented dont mean anything.
Happy to look at any others though.

If you were to play cock roulette and dip your uncovered cock in a random civvie or random escort, what would you choose?

I would choose a civvy everytime

you're just choosing your own bias

If only one study is available i think it's better to use doctor's opinion plus your common sense.
If you don't know a civvie in question and she is offering bb to me she might be very generous to other guys as well so i think i would rather stick it in an escort than random civvie.
If i know the civvie that offers me bb and i know that she isn't changing partners every week than i would go with her.

I understand the distrust to what the doctor said and counter arguments regarding how the data is gathered and compiled in statistics but outright dismissing all of it doesn't seem smart at all.

It is hard to deny yourself pleasures of OWO and RO. Plenty of people ride their motorbikes like mad on public roads knowing random stuff might happen and they can die.
Pleasure of riding a motorbike wins most of the time regardless of risk involved.

I like this doctors opinion as i like OWO and RO so some confirmation bias creeps up on me here

[walking dead]

Ha  :

I was simply saying , the anecdotal evidence wasn't clear. someone passing on what a doctor said, without understanding what the doctor meant, or implied.

My comment meant a random civvie or escort.  Not choosing one you know. You can guarantee the number of sexual partners an escort has had will be very high.  Where an average civvie will be low.

[justfornow]

Ha  :

I was simply saying , the anecdotal evidence wasn't clear. someone passing on what a doctor said, without understanding what the doctor meant, or implied.

My comment meant a random civvie or escort.  Not choosing one you know. You can guarantee the number of sexual partners an escort has had will be very high.  Where an average civvie will be low.

My point is that unless you know said civvie to certain degree you don't how is she choosing her partners or if she offers bb to all of them.
Sure civvie will shag less guys than an escort. I think it's easier to assume escort shagged all guys with condom on recently where said civvie could've bb a guy last week who bb another slag week before for an easy shag.
It's all assumptions and whatnot but that's my line of thought... i'll do OWO and RO anyway as i fucking love it

PUNTING FTW

[markw]

I've been told different by a doctor in my local GUM. So pick a doctor, pick some "facts", then believe what you want to believe.

[Max Pleasure]

In the end we all have to way up the facts and opinions and decide what level of risk we accept.  Personally I need OWO and RO in a punt, so the OP's doc's advice fits my point of view 

[Thepacifist]

Went to the GUM yesterday and glad I did. Got the HIV finger-prick test and all is negative there. I was worried about a split condom last year. Had a blood test and urine test and am awaiting results. I put off going for a long time but I always feel better when i get it over with. The staff there are very friendly. If i get the all clear from the results i may just call it a day and enjoy the memories. Easier said then done though.

[SUMO61]

Results today, all clear again.

Twenty years of punting and OWO. But, thanks to the solid advice on here, I'm an Oral With Punter from now on. No point even taking a risk.