SWARM Collective fund

[dubs]

Sex workers collective have created a fund for girls who are experiencing a drop in business

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While I sympathize with all small businesses in these times,  WG's must surely realize that they are a non-essential luxury* product and therefore the first thing to be curtailed when there is some kind of crisis.  If you don't get holiday or sick pay then it is your responsibility to make sure you have some contingency.  When I was a sole trader it was recommended to have 3 months spare funds.

* I don't mean luxury as in "luxury courtesan companion" @ £400 per hour

[David1970]

You will donate £50 and end off paying £70 because of extras 

[scutty brown]

Fuck them, there's enough people around in legit contracts (zero hours, umbrella companies, self employed) who are going to come unstuck very quickly when they either go ill or get laid off through lack of business. No sick pay, no unemployment pay.
Its ironic that a good proportion of NHS staff are on contracts or agency work - and won't get paid if they go sick, even if they caught the disease at work.
Then think of your zero-hours supermarket workers........

[lewisjones23]

very little sympathy for anyone crying poverty who earns £100+ ph

planing ahead and buying less designer bags could possibly have been wise 

[B4bcock]

I was talking to a friend earlier today who owns a coach business.   He said he will be laying staff off next week due to all the sporting etc cancellations.    If the schools close it will be even worse for him.

[David1970]

I work in logistics, if there is no demand for over 4 weeks, then I don’t work, no pay, no mortgage paid, fucked.

Why would I donate money to someone who earns more money than me?

[scutty brown]

I work in logistics, if there is no demand for over 4 weeks, then I don’t work, no pay, no mortgage paid, fucked.

Why would I donate money to someone who earns more money than me?

There's a logistics hub near me, they move incoming containers off ships - mainly from China.
Looks like around a third of their cabs were laid up this week due to lack of work

[ulstersubbie]

very little sympathy for anyone crying poverty who earns £100+ ph

+1

[ulstersubbie]

very little sympathy for anyone crying poverty who earns £100+ ph

planing ahead and buying less designer bags could possibly have been wise 

+1

Sorry about the double post, bloody ancient laptop!

[CheeseBoard]

very little sympathy for anyone crying poverty who earns £100+ ph

+1

Exactly this

[Private Parts]

+1

Exactly this

Try this thought.
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[The Owl]

I've seen a few people in the performing arts saying people should let the venues keep the money rather than ask for refunds due to cancelled shows, then the performers can be paid too. Meanwhile the same people are happy that airplane companies have gone bust or are going bust because of the positive impact on the environment. They don't seem to be that bothered about how the former airline staff will now pay their bills. 

In my area although escorts showing the green light on AW have dropped it's not just the pimped 24/7 Romanians that are still working. It's some of the highly rated and we'll reviewed one's too. At an average of £120 for an hour's work if they're not capable of having a decent amount of savings put aside then I don't see why anyone should donate to keep them in coke for snorting and to buy their 150th pair of Louboutin high heels.

[B4bcock]

I wonder how many WG's will turn up at the benefits office, having never paid any UK tax or NI?

[scutty brown]

I wonder how many WG's will turn up at the benefits office, having never paid any UK tax or NI?

presumably they'll have to wait five weeks for universal credit

[tynetunnel]

I work in logistics, if there is no demand for over 4 weeks, then I don’t work, no pay, no mortgage paid, fucked.

Why would I donate money to someone who earns more money than me?

As I understand it mortgage lenders are planning to offer a 3 month payment holiday with no penalties to everyone so nobody should be penalized or risk their home due to reduced income. A sensible move by them and very useful to many im sure. So don’t panic. I’m sure this will apply to WG’s also

However anyone earning around £100 an hour, cash in hand or not, doesn’t get my sympathy for not keeping a little aside for a rainy day, whether due to their own illness or someone else’s. I won’t be donating anything unless I’m balls deep insider her!

[itk]

very little sympathy for anyone crying poverty who earns £100+ ph

planing ahead and buying less designer bags could possibly have been wise 

Spot on.

[willie loman]

I was tempted to troll this thread. curiously no one has mentioned the parable of the wise virgins., gospel according to Mathew.

[DonDickDraper]

They should get jobs like the rest of us instead of relying on men to fund their existence.

[Moby Dick]

They should get jobs like the rest of us instead of relying on men to fund their existence.

 
But where will I deposit me Moby Spunk?

[Moby Dick]

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“self-employed claimants on Universal Credit who are required to stay at home or are ill as a result of coronavirus will not have a Minimum Income Floor (an assumed level of income) applied for a period of time while affected”

 What does that mean?

[GingerNuts]

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“self-employed claimants on Universal Credit who are required to stay at home or are ill as a result of coronavirus will not have a Minimum Income Floor (an assumed level of income) applied for a period of time while affected”

 What does that mean?

This:

Universal Credit includes a 'Minimum Income Floor' ( MIF ) if you are gainfully self-employed, and your business has been running for more than 12 months. The MIF is an assumed level of earnings. This is based on what we would expect an employed person to receive in similar circumstances.

If you are self-employed and your earnings are low, your benefit may be worked out on higher earnings than you have. This is called the 'minimum income floor'. The minimum income floor is set at the level of the national minimum wage at the number of hours you would be expected to work.

[DonDickDraper]

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“self-employed claimants on Universal Credit who are required to stay at home or are ill as a result of coronavirus will not have a Minimum Income Floor (an assumed level of income) applied for a period of time while affected”

 What does that mean?

As I understand it, and I might be wrong...
There’s a minimum you have to be earning as a self-employed person who’s claiming Universal Credit before your earnings can be topped-up. Normally, the government would require that you work more hours if your wage is below the Minimum Income Floor to increase your earnings.
For a period of time, the government is going to allow self-employed people who are claiming universal credit to have their earnings tipped-up even if they don’t meet this minimum floor.

[PeachyAssFan]

I know it might seem terribly insensitive, but this crisis might see a re-set the cost of punting, which has outstripped most peoples increases in salary these past 10+ years. There is of course predicated on us to remain in full time paid employment.

[Moby Dick]

I know it might seem terribly insensitive, but this crisis might see a re-set the cost of punting, which has outstripped most peoples increases in salary these past 10+ years. There is of course predicated on us to remain in full time paid employment.

There will always be the rich and poor
WGs earning depend on regular footfall through the door.
If we can’t work, then we can’t punt.
They can drop their rates to attract the fewer punters
Or hope their regulars and sugar daddies don’t get ill.
I expect the clever WG with savings will go on holiday (but where? And how?)
Whilst the rest will have to reduce their rates to attract the few that can punt.
However pro$$ie logic will be, “I ain’t earning as much, so I need to charge more”
I am happy to wait and see.
Every cloud.......

[webpunter]

The really klevva WG will pick a loaded 'customer' & suggest a holiday [at reduced rates]
There is always a way to travel if you try
Or go somewhere & find punters there
Dubai is nice at this time of year

I expect the clever WG with savings will go on holiday (but where? And how?)

And as for any fucktard donating, then unless doing anonymously this will:

• show who you are
• show you up to be a really sad fucker

Edit:  donating defines you as a sad fucker.  Best to donate P2P

[Zeusthedoc]

As I understand it mortgage lenders are planning to offer a 3 month payment holiday with no penalties to everyone so nobody should be penalized or risk their home due to reduced income. A sensible move by them and very useful to many im sure. So don’t panic. I’m sure this will apply to WG’s also

However anyone earning around £100 an hour, cash in hand or not, doesn’t get my sympathy for not keeping a little aside for a rainy day, whether due to their own illness or someone else’s. I won’t be donating anything unless I’m balls deep insider her!

Away from WGs, I wonder how many scumbag landlords will pocket this and not pass this on to their tenants - is there a rule on this?

[jesse4585]

And as for any fucktard donating, then unless doing anonymously this will:

It seems to be quasi anonymous.  Just donated £150, but even after you do, it doesn't let you see the list of previous donations. Never seen a platform that does that before. So basically only Swarm & maybe donorbox get to see your name, unless they get hacked - (& I think neither of them get to see your credit card details due to encryption etc., though could be wrong on that.)

[blend57]

It is a good idea for any self employed person to have income protection insurance that covers them for these situations, assuming the WGs can actually purchase it. And of course some WGs do have other ways of working from webcam sessions to over the phone financial domination (I really do not understand that one....).

[lewisjones23]

It seems to be quasi anonymous.  Just donated £150, but even after you do, it doesn't let you see the list of previous donations. Never seen a platform that does that before. So basically only Swarm & maybe donorbox get to see your name, unless they get hacked - (& I think neither of them get to see your credit card details due to encryption etc., though could be wrong on that.)

you donated £150? 

[jesse4585]

you donated £150? 

Correct.  I tend to have about two 1 hour punts per month, so Im still quids in now I've decided to take a break till this bug thing is under control.  (Mostly with lasses I've seen before, which is why I don't have many reviews)

Fair play, I'd 100% agree it's best for the government to provide a generous safety net so this sort of donation isn't needed.  And a lot more of my time & money goes to canvassing for / donating to the Labour party than to punting, to help bring that about. But obviously we're stuck with the Tories running the show for at least a few years now, so there is a case for private charity.

PS - I understand most here have a different view -you think not stepping is actually being cruel to be kind or whatever,  as it helps encourage self reliance.  I'm not critic sing that stance, it's just not an opinion I share.

[lewisjones23]

Correct.  I tend to have about two 1 hour punts per month, so Im still quids in now I've decided to take a break till this bug thing is under control.  (Mostly with lasses I've seen before, which is why I don't have many reviews)

Fair play, I'd 100% agree it's best for the government to provide a generous safety net so this sort of donation isn't needed.  And a lot more of my time & money goes to canvassing for / donating to the Labour party than to punting, to help bring that about. But obviously we're stuck with the Tories running the show for at least a few years now, so there is a case for private charity.

PS - I understand most here have a different view -you think not stepping is actually being cruel to be kind or whatever,  as it helps encourage self reliance.  I'm not critic sing that stance, it's just not an opinion I share.

  

[daviemac]

Correct.  I tend to have about two 1 hour punts per month, so Im still quids in now I've decided to take a break till this bug thing is under control.  (Mostly with lasses I've seen before, which is why I don't have many reviews)

Fair play, I'd 100% agree it's best for the government to provide a generous safety net so this sort of donation isn't needed.  And a lot more of my time & money goes to canvassing for / donating to the Labour party than to punting, to help bring that about. But obviously we're stuck with the Tories running the show for at least a few years now, so there is a case for private charity.

PS - I understand most here have a different view -you think not stepping is actually being cruel to be kind or whatever,  as it helps encourage self reliance.  I'm not critic sing that stance, it's just not an opinion I share.

I bet you tip them and take presents for them as well.   

I'd rather give to a deserving charity than to some prostitute benevolent fund. There's people living on the streets and families living in poverty, all through no fault of their own yet you choose to donate to escorts who earn £100 and some well over that per hour.   

[Grumpy Pumpy]

I'd rather give to a deserving charity than to some prostitute benevolent fund. There's people living on the streets and families living in poverty, all through no fault of their own yet you choose to donate to escorts who earn £100 and some well over that per hour.   

I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of SPs during this time. But I have to agree with the thoughts above. If I'm going to donate my hard earned there are MANY MANY more deserving causes than SWARM

[finn5555]

Anyone who donates to some pro$$ie charity is a moron 

[Hobbit]

Let's create a punters charity. When guys can't afford to see a girl, SP's can donate a free session or a discount to punters. 

[GreyDave]

I'd rather give to a deserving charity than to some prostitute benevolent fund. There's people living on the streets and families living in poverty, all through no fault of their own yet you choose to donate to escorts who earn £100 and some well over that per hour.   

+ 1    I am in uterdisbelife at some of the WG`s Ive seen designer stuff nails shoe ect taxis and flash hols.. an the attuide " It grows on trees I am worth it "

To be fair since the Hungarian, Rom and Polsh girls arrived Ive used them more than the Younger Brit Birds who seem to have this attuide above others ...

Its this bunch I feel that are the backbone of the anti punter movement

[blend57]

Before this thread, I had never heard of the Swarm collective. I have just tried to look them up on companies house and the governments charity register. Plenty of companies with the word 'swarm' in it, but no company called 'Swarm collective'. Only one charity uses the word 'Swarm' but that is a fluffy environmental charity.

Of course they could be covered under a different name on the charity register.

[scutty brown]

Stupid
Women
Always
Require
Money

[jesse4585]

I bet you tip them and take presents for them as well.   

I'd rather give to a deserving charity than to some prostitute benevolent fund. There's people living on the streets and families living in poverty, all through no fault of their own yet you choose to donate to escorts who earn £100 and some well over that per hour.   

Yes, as mentioned in previous threads  I frequently tip, & I tend to give little presents to any whores I see around Christmas time.

WG's may earn £100+ /hour.  But Swarm is about helping sex workers generally, and at least according to this university study, just over half of sex workers have pre tax income  below 20k / year.   External Link/Members Only   

Granted, most  (but not all)  FS whores make a lot more than that.  But many of them don't save.   It has to be quite a fall from grace to go from than having cash to pay for whatever you fancy, to needing to resort to food banks.  There's a case to be made that a donating to whore's on the breadline alleviates much more suffering than handouts to the deserving homeless.   Those homeless have already suffered affliction.   Once you've looked into the abyss, you can't un-see those sights.  The WGs have not, and with a bit of luck, if the optimistic forecasts turn out to be correct, they never need to.

That said,  I'd admit most sound worldly logic is  on your side.

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

[Kingy28]

There may be some bargains to be had on ebay/gumtree as WGs empty their wardrobes in desparation & sell their designer bags, shoes, clothes etc!!

[scutty brown]

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

We can do without a religious guilt trip thank you. Please keep your fake moralism to yourself

[daviemac]

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

Stop being an idiot and don't bring religion into it, that is most definitely off topic as well as being a load of bollocks.

[B4bcock]

I wonder what amount of the donations will be swallowed up in SWARM "admin costs" before being shared out to the deserving WG's?

[Moby Dick]

Stupid. 
Women.    WANKERS
Always
Require.    RELEASE
Money

They will expect “handouts” whilst Fluffy Cunts exist.

[Moby Dick]

I wonder what amount of the donations will be swallowed up in SWARM "admin costs" before being shared out to the deserving WG's?

Deserving ?
You mean the ones that haven’t  saved enough to get their hair and nails done?
Not to mention the fake tans and Botox.

[webpunter]

Ex-fucking-actly
As i mentioned anyone donating on this website is a sad fucker
This complete Jesse is top of the list
He's full of moral angst & has no doubt been bashing the bishop
Spouting such bollox is deffo OT
Do we want this shite on here ?
Can't figure if sad fucker has actually donated or wrote he had to get himself in the limelight
Tick tock 

Stop being an idiot and don't bring religion into it, that is most definitely off topic as well as being a load of bollocks.

[jesse4585]

I wonder what amount of the donations will be swallowed up in SWARM "admin costs" before being shared out to the deserving WG's?

Well their website looks pretty humble, & their choice of payment merchant  (donatebox) is one of the most cost efficient.  So I'd guess their external admin costs are likely low.
They're saying that until the end of April,  100% of the donations are going to sex workers in hardship.  They might have internal admin costs, but as I think their staff are largely sex workers themselves,  then one way or another, most of the donations should be spent on what was intended.

[B4bcock]

My mistake - I meant to type 'deserving' in inverted commas aswell.

[B4bcock]

Well their website looks pretty humble, & their choice of payment merchant  (donatebox) is one of the most cost efficient.  So I'd guess their external admin costs are likely low.
They're saying that until the end of April,  100% of the donations are going to sex workers in hardship.  They might have internal admin costs, but as I think their staff are largely sex workers themselves,  then one way or another, most of the donations should be spent on what was intended.

You're starting to prove the old saying   "There's one born every minute".

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Theres no love lost betwixt punther and prozzie!