Male escort section?

[mediumfirmplease]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed on the site before and if so whether there was significant opposition or disagreement, but might there be a section here for male escort and massage reviews, like there now is for transgender escorts and massages?

It could be placed separately so that there is no interruption to the straight sections. There's a lot of male escort and massage options available but seems that a resource like UK Punting is lacking.

[Payyourwaymate]

I'll say I am against this. Not sorry.

[Doc Holliday]

Not allowed 

Rule 18 Male prostitution
The general discussion is allowed, but no reviews.

[Mr Sinister]

Start your own forum don't piggyback off this one

[mediumfirmplease]

Thanks for the replies. Couple of questions.

Can anybody specify as to why?
How did TS reviews come to be accepted here? Presumably there was opposition too?

[TomTank]

I was a big supporter of TS reviews, and am not homophobic at all, but there is something that seems wrong about male prostitution.
Having said that, I can see why it should probably be allowed, and can't think of a good reason why not, even though it doesn't feel right .....

[Payyourwaymate]

Thanks for the replies. Couple of questions.

Can anybody specify as to why?
How did TS reviews come to be accepted here? Presumably there was opposition too?

I don't know the history as to why. For TS reviews I can only guess there was a demand, the section is going along smoothly and is quite active. I cannot imagine there is a large enough demand for male providers reviews even if there was no rule, so doubt it's worth the admin work; putting my personal feelings aside.

[hendrix]

It's an interesting question at least. I recall that my first (and only) TS review on here was met with a lot of outright aggression and pokes at sexuality, but nobody really blinks nowadays (albeit in a separate section)

Also, the first review I posted for an MMMF with two male escorts (straight) caused quite a fuss.

Maybe it's just the bi/gay sexuality that we're not quite ready for, and maybe this forum won't be the place for it even over time.

[JontyR]

In relation to TS reviews there were a lot of refugees from when the Hung Angels forum were stopped from hosting them. I think that lead to an increase.

I couldn't detail whether there is an active forum for Male Escorts elsewhere. If there were I'd suggest it may be worth adding your knowledge to theirs.

The only issue I can see (as long as reviews were clearly mentioned) is that the potential therefore follows for the provision of lots of reviews of legit massages delivered by males. Which may skew the focus of the forum. 

[mediumfirmplease]

Thanks for the responses. I'm currently reading why individuals might not engage with the section themselves, but no reason beyond individuals' personal views why other people shouldn't be able to discuss it in another defined section if they wish to? Male escorts and massage providers are a very prominent part of the industry.

[southcoastpunter]

Thanks for the replies. Couple of questions.

Can anybody specify as to why?
How did TS reviews come to be accepted here? Presumably there was opposition too?

why not message Head1 and ask him. Members can give opinions but only he can say if its just an inherited thing for him (from old admin) and whether he's open to the idea or not! (or perhaps one of the Mods know his thinking on this?)

[stevedave]

but no reason beyond individuals' personal views

And the fact it is quite clearly against the rules.

It is a whole rule of its own

Pretty clear 

[daviemac]

Thanks for the responses. I'm currently reading why individuals might not engage with the section themselves, but no reason beyond individuals' personal views why other people shouldn't be able to discuss it in another defined section if they wish to? Male escorts and massage providers are a very prominent part of the industry.

You've only been here for 12 months yet you are another one who isn't happy with the site that way it is and want to make changes.

The simple answer to your question as to why there is no section for male prostitutes and reviews of male prostitutes are not allowed is because the rules say so and the site owner makes the rules.

You are free to discuss male prostitutes as much as you want, provided you do it on a site that allows such discussions and not here.

You could maybe try mentioning to the site owner that you are not happy with the way he runs the site and you think he should change the rules to suit you.

[Thephoenix]

It's all been discussed before and the answer is always refer to the rules.
It might be considered slightly odd that we can review a hairy arsed transvestite including FS, anal bw, owo etc etc, but not a male masseur providing a massage.
I occasionally enjoy m2m massage. It's usually cheaper and can still provide a HE if required.
Many have provided a much better massage than females.
However I'm not interested in male escorts and am not attracted to men in the slightest.
It seems that if you want to have a fbsm from someone with a dick....tell them to put a wig on.

But thems are the rules...so be it!

 PS..In answer to the point about being no interest, you'd be surprised at how many PM's you get after similar discussions.....Maybe that's the best place for them if it annoys some of the more sensitive and narrow minded members.

[hendrix]

Thanks for the responses. I'm currently reading why individuals might not engage with the section themselves, but no reason beyond individuals' personal views why other people shouldn't be able to discuss it in another defined section if they wish to? Male escorts and massage providers are a very prominent part of the industry.

I mean, it's up to the forum owners and they don't actually have to explain their reasons tbh.

Maybe it's a board culture "small steps" thing, where for example, we see more "couples" reviews with bi activity and that gradually gets "normalised" and more people express an interest in the M in that scenario

[mediumfirmplease]

Thanks everyone, even those who've taken me asking a polite question to mean I'm looking to insult the site owner and everyone who has ever graced this place... It's a discussion forum. I'm allowed to ask.

[daviemac]

PS..In answer to the point about being no interest, you'd be surprised at how many PM's you get after similar discussions.....Maybe that's the best place for them if it annoys some of the more sensitive and narrow minded members.

Are you suggesting the site owner, the person who sets the rules, is narrow minded and sensitive.   

As an aside I don't think he needs to explain himself to anybody, use the site as it's meant to be used, discuss and post on topics that are allowed and if you want to discuss anything that isn't then do it of a forum that allows it.

Thanks everyone, even those who've taken me asking a polite question to mean I'm looking to insult the site owner and everyone who has ever graced this place... It's a discussion forum. I'm allowed to ask.

You were given the answer in reply #2, it just wasn't the one you wanted.

[mediumfirmplease]

And I'm just politely asking why in a section of the forum that permits discussion. That's all.

[Thephoenix]

Are you suggesting the site owner, the person who sets the rules, is narrow minded and sensitive.   

As an aside I don't think he needs to explain himself to anybody, use the site as it's meant to be used, discuss and post on topics that are allowed and if you want to discuss anything that isn't then do it of a forum that allows it.
You were given the answer in reply #2, it just wasn't the one you wanted.
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I don't know the site owner. I'm just making a general point about some of the knee jerk reactions we get on this subject.
Discussions on this subject are allowed. I'm joining in the discussion.
I've always tried to use the site as it's meant to be used.

[Marmalade]

Couple of questions.

Dear mediumfirmnothanks
I have been inundated with shitloads of virtual PMs wanting me to pass on a question or two to you on behalf of 75,515  happy female-shagging Members. I am a bit reluctant to do so in case you should take offence; so allow me to take this opportunity to wish you well and offer you a virtual hershey bar to celebrate valentines day in your own space and in your own particular way without stopping to thank us.

So here's the couple of questions for you. 

Which bit of the polite enquiry why don't you kindly fuck off (kiss kiss) to a forum you actually like don't you understand?

(I'll leave the second question to your imagination).


n.b. For a full FAQ please send your questions in an unused brown evelope to British Airways 

[Marmalade]

On a more academic level, the guy is pushing it by questioning very reasonable rules; and on a general level, while there's a substantial minority that enjoy TS, there is not a substantial minority that like male escorts. So for the vast majority, that just want to punt women, it seems to me they already have to skip past a big massage section and a big TS section, which is fine, but the primary purpose of the site is female prostitution.

[Charlie Chalk]

And I'm just politely asking why in a section of the forum that permits discussion. That's all.

I think you need to take the hint.

“Why don’t we have reviews/ discussion if male SP’s?” - Because it’s against the site rules

“Why is it against the site rules?” - No-one except Head1 can answer that. And since it’s his site, he can make whatever rules he wants and we can either accept them or fcuk off. It’s that simple.

Those are the only concrete answers you’re going to get. Anything else will be pointless speculation.

[TomTank]

Come on chaps, it wasn't a ridiculous question, and it's not as if he hasn't contributed to the forum.
Let's not lose him over a valid question.

We got similar reactions when TS reviews were first mooted, so who knows whether Head1 might think it's a good suggestion and decide it's worth doing.
Personally I don't think it is - as unhomophobic as I am, I don't want to see male on male action on the site, even if it's in a section I can avoid.

[shed]

Rules are rules, simple.

[mediumfirmplease]

Rules are rules, simple.

Exactly. General discussion is allowed. That's exactly what I'm doing.

Thanks to those who have replied and engaged in a open and friendly fashion (especially those who disagree and have set out why).

[Marmalade]

Exactly. General discussion is allowed. That's exactly what I'm doing.

Thanks to those who have replied and engaged in a open and friendly fashion (especially those who disagree and have set out why).

It being the ONLY thing you've tried to discuss since you joined the forum. Funny that.

But you're not even discussing male escorts are you? You're discussing (or trying to discuss) changes to the forum.

[PepeMAGA]

Exactly. General discussion is allowed. That's exactly what I'm doing.

Thanks to those who have replied and engaged in a open and friendly fashion (especially those who disagree and have set out why).

There's probably better forums to talk about fucking dudes.
You'll get a better reception and they'll have more expertise in bumming 

[mediumfirmplease]

As another member has already pointed out, I've posted a good number of reviews since joining, and a couple of discussion threads. I'm not a lurker. I'm just asking a question. As is permitted.

[Payyourwaymate]

As another member has already pointed out, I've posted a good number of reviews since joining, and a couple of discussion threads. I'm not a lurker. I'm just asking a question. As is permitted.

My good sir, have you not got the hint that there is more of us that do not want to read broke back mountain homoerotic escapades than those who do?

Asking the question is fine, but I do not know what more you will achieve by continuosly raising the point when the bottom line is it's unlikely the rule involving this is going to be amended.

Some of us don't want to see it, there is not a high enough demand and it is against the rules for the current time. What more do you want? A revolution?

Lets say a male service provider section was put in, that adds a whole new dynamic in dealing with potential touts, risks and all sorts along with dealing with Female SPs and TS SPs. Who is going to be prepared to deal with so much extra work for such a minority group which is not really a target niche members on this site are interested in?

If you're so interested, go on grindr or something. I'm pretty sure it's far easier for homosexual men to get no strings sex with each other than for straight men to get with women. Probably why there is a lack of demand for male service providers, they know the deal and get right to it with no games  .

[Gordon Bennett]

I like collecting stamps and I like collecting coins. I therefore visit separate sites and forums about those hobbies - that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Yes it would be convenient if one site comprehensively covered both pastimes but its hardly a problem.

I think it's best to accept that UKP doesn't cater for male-on-male punting at this time and move on. You can still gain much insight from the forum and continue to be a valued member.

[daviemac]

Thanks for the responses. I'm currently reading why individuals might not engage with the section themselves, but no reason beyond individuals' personal views why other people shouldn't be able to discuss it in another defined section if they wish to? Male escorts and massage providers are a very prominent part of the industry.

Lets look at the popularity, discounting escort reviews and discussions if we concentrate on massages and TS.

Massage reviews in the review section  -   4548 + many not counted as reviews but posted as reviews in massage discussion threads
Massage discussion in the NE  -  185 pages 1.4 million views
Massage discussion London    -  196 pages (2 threads)  1.4 million views
Massage discussion threads in other areas unknown to me, count them if you wish.

TS reviews 781

When you consider male prostitution is even less popular than TS, is there really enough demand for Head1 / Admin to go to the trouble of creating a section for it. 

[bdyno]

the primary purpose of the site is female prostitution.

To add my own personal thought to this, having seen and reviewed a number of TS escorts (as well as CIS girls), I consider myself 100% straight.  i.e. I'm attracted to women and I see the TS escorts as women.  Being straight, I have no interest in men whatsoever.  I do however know (in real life) a number of gay men, and they are obviously attracted to men.  I also know none of those gay men have even the slightest attraction to TS, because much like me, they see them as women.

So my take on the rules are that this site is purely for straight men to review women who escort.  Whether or not those women have a penis or vagina is irrelevant.

There are probably other forums for gay men to discuss and review the gay escorts they see, and presumably even more forums for women who use escorts to discuss that.  Those sites probably have rules banning the reviews that can be shared here.

[cunningman]

Not allowed 

Rule 18 Male prostitution
The general discussion is allowed, but no reviews.

It is however a bit silly.  We can review so long as they have tits or cross dress.
I know 'its the rules' but they don't seem to make sense.
Maybe its to keep the site primarily straight and bi, but ... we allow reviews of XY chromosome humans.

[mediumfirmplease]

To add my own personal thought to this, having seen and reviewed a number of TS escorts (as well as CIS girls), I consider myself 100% straight.  i.e. I'm attracted to women and I see the TS escorts as women.  Being straight, I have no interest in men whatsoever.  I do however know (in real life) a number of gay men, and they are obviously attracted to men.  I also know none of those gay men have even the slightest attraction to TS, because much like me, they see them as women.

So my take on the rules are that this site is purely for straight men to review women who escort.  Whether or not those women have a penis or vagina is irrelevant.

There are probably other forums for gay men to discuss and review the gay escorts they see, and presumably even more forums for women who use escorts to discuss that.  Those sites probably have rules banning the reviews that can be shared here.

Thanks for this. Fair enough position. 

[Head1]

Just join a forum that caters for what you crave
Its never going to happen here

[LLPunting]

OP why are you on this site?

Of the 2 years of encounters you've been free to review you've only talked about massages and never taken more than HR from a female.  There are other well-established sites for massage fans who might take the occasional extra and pretty much every massage provider and establishment mentioned here will be known/discussed/reviewed on those sites.  There are many members here who also visit those sites but do not feel moved to ask those sites to review escorts.  There are others here frequenting other kink and fetish sites who also don't feel it necessary to question or convince them to include female escorts.

If you have no inclination or intention to engage in other extras with females, whether cis or trans, let alone actually review such encounters then this really isn't the site for you.

[RedKettle]

OP why are you on this site?

Of the 2 years of encounters you've been free to review you've only talked about massages and never taken more than HR from a female.  There are other well-established sites for massage fans who might take the occasional extra and pretty much every massage provider and establishment mentioned here will be known/discussed/reviewed on those sites.  There are many members here who also visit those sites but do not feel moved to ask those sites to review escorts.  There are others here frequenting other kink and fetish sites who also don't feel it necessary to question or convince them to include female escorts.

If you have no inclination or intention to engage in other extras with females, whether cis or trans, let alone actually review such encounters then this really isn't the site for you.

FFS he is on the site reviewing and has every right to be. Just because his interest in massage with extras is not the same as your thing no need to try and run him off. We complain enough about people who do not contribute.

He asked a polite question which was clearly answered by owner and mod. No problem. If they have a problem with him no doubt they will deal with him, but they appear to not have so just leave him alone to enjoy what he wants and to contribute here as he wants, within the rules.

[Bogof60]

Well said RK.

Head1 has now delivered the answer and hopefully that is the end of it.
His ball his rules we are all just guests here..
Like it or do the other one.

I saw no harm in asking the question but now we have the answer that should be the end of it

[Thephoenix]

OP why are you on this site?

Of the 2 years of encounters you've been free to review you've only talked about massages and never taken more than HR from a female.  There are other well-established sites for massage fans who might take the occasional extra and pretty much every massage provider and establishment mentioned here will be known/discussed/reviewed on those sites. 

That's very harsh.
That description possibly relates to a lot of members for various reasons, myself included.
Are you suggesting we're not welcome on this site?

The OP politely asked a question.
He wasn't aware of the rules.
He was probably encouraged a bit by my post regarding m2m massage and other constructive replies

Unfortunately despite the rules being pointed out, he naively carried on, which resulted in a few unnecessary snide comments, and some broadsides by the mods.
Despite being wounded he still carried on until finally being shot down in flames by the chief.

Most of us have been bollocked for occasionally straying from the rules.
I hope he licks his wounds, learns a lesson and become a wiser, contributing member in the future.

[lillythesavage]

That's very harsh.
That description possibly relates to a lot of members for various reasons, myself included.
Are you suggesting we're not welcome on this site?

The OP politely asked a question.
He wasn't aware of the rules.
He was probably encouraged a bit by my post regarding m2m massage and other constructive replies

Unfortunately despite the rules being pointed out, he naively carried on, which resulted in a few unnecessary snide comments, and some broadsides by the mods.
Despite being wounded he still carried on until finally being shot down in flames by the chief.

Most of us have been bollocked for occasionally straying from the rules.
I hope he licks his wounds, learns a lesson and become a wiser, contributing member in the future.

I cannot find how to put him on ignore, Forum helper has gone to his head, nothing but acerbic posts all over.

Can we not put forum helpers on ignore? 

[Payyourwaymate]

Can we not put forum helpers on ignore?

Yes you can. We are not different from other members  .

Go onto your profile, underneath modify profile you'll see "Buddies/Ignore List". Click on that and you'll have the option to edit ignore list. Once you have clicked there you can add the name of any member you want to ignore.

[myothernameis]

The OP politely asked a question.
He wasn't aware of the rules.

Around Aug 2021, the op asked how to delete his account, looks like he still here.   And it was pointed out to him, about rule 8, no deletion of account, at this point he should be checking the rules

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious... how do you delete your account here?

[lillythesavage]

Yes you can. We are not different from other members  .

Go onto your profile, underneath modify profile you'll see "Buddies/Ignore List". Click on that and you'll have the option to edit ignore list. Once you have clicked there you can add the name of any member you want to ignore.

 


First one on it, hopefully will not need it again

[Marmalade]

That's very harsh.
That description possibly relates to a lot of members for various reasons, myself included.
Are you suggesting we're not welcome on this site?

The OP politely asked a question.
He wasn't aware of the rules.
He was probably encouraged a bit by my post regarding m2m massage and other constructive replies

Unfortunately despite the rules being pointed out, he naively carried on, which resulted in a few unnecessary snide comments, and some broadsides by the mods.
Despite being wounded he still carried on until finally being shot down in flames by the chief.

Most of us have been bollocked for occasionally straying from the rules.
I hope he licks his wounds, learns a lesson and become a wiser, contributing member in the future.

I get what you mean Phoenix: but this a mens’ forum, and we do have a bit of (usually quite effective) rough and tumble. Most learn to take it. I’m not averse to an occasional good-cop bad-cop when someone’s being a plonker (IMO).

I imagine if you, for instance, with many years’ experience of the forum, had found a way to introduce such a subject, it would have been with more finesse and less fanfare, hardly causing a ripple: but for someone who’s only been a member for a year to blunderbuss about asking why there shouldn’t be something that everybody knows will never happen in a million years, well personally I think that’s stupidity, ingenuous or not, and they need a sharper response just to get the hang of things.

[The Owl]

There's probably a punters forum for rent boys/gay or bi male escorts in the UK. If there isn't then someone's missing a trick. It would probably be better to keep UKP and a gay male escort review forum separate as there are enough twats with keyboards on UKP that get bent out of shape over TS reviews along with the usual influx of trolls, having a section for gay/bi male punters to review male escorts would just increase the administration work dealing with reports. There is the other argument that the administration team aren't gay men so there may be some issues with dealing reasonably with an area of sex work they have no interest in or understanding of as clients. Best left to the experts.

[Head1]

Let's put it to the vote 

[Yakata]

I've voted yes however only because as a punting forum, I believe that should include all (legal) forms of it. However I can't say I'm bothered if it doesn't make it here.

I'd imagine there must be a gay punting forum somewhere which would be much more useful to the OP than a section here where I doubt it'll get that much interest. As far as I know I've never deliberately gone in the TS section and I wouldn't in the men only section. Id imagine that's the same for a lot of people here. It's of no interest to me and I'm sure, others, but in the interests of equality, would put it in on that basis.

[TomTank]

I voted no, but it's a very weak no .... it wouldn't upset me at all if we had that section

[bdyno]

I voted no, but it's a very weak no .... it wouldn't upset me at all if we had that section

Exactly the same here.
Nothing against it happening, it's just another section that would make the site more cumbersome to navigate.

[lamboman]

Exactly the same here.
Nothing against it happening, it's just another section that would make the site more cumbersome to navigate.

My thoughts too.