Declining numbers of SPs

[willie loman]

Agree

without liquid assets you cannot punt, but your decision to spend liquid assets is influenced by other factors, your age and health, is the finishing line approaching, i would suggest that a man in a 500 k property might be more inclined to dip into his savings for a punt, much of our leisure industry is based on this premise, look at the ads on afternoon tv.

[daviemac]

without liquid assets you cannot punt, but your decision to spend liquid assets is influenced by other factors, your age and health, is the finishing line approaching, i would suggest that a man in a 500 k property might be more inclined to dip into his savings for a punt, much of our leisure industry is based on this premise, look at the ads on afternoon tv.

What makes you think that a man in a £500k property will have more savings than a man in any other value property. Surely by your theory he would have less because he has had to invest more in his property purchase. 

None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Ads on afternoon TV? the ones for over 50's funeral plans you mean, are they not aimed at those who haven't got enough to leave to cover the cost of their own funeral? they mustn't have much in the way of savings.

[willie loman]

What makes you think that a man in a £500k property will have more savings than a man in any other value property. Surely by your theory he would have less because he has had to invest more in his property purchase. 

None of what you are saying makes any sense.

Ads on afternoon TV? the ones for over 50's funeral plans you mean, are they not aimed at those who haven't got enough to leave to cover the cost of their own funeral? they mustn't have much in the way of savings.

at no point have i said that a property owner will have more liquid assets , what i have suggested is, that it might make him more inclined to spend those assets . there are myriad psychological factors  that influence how we spend our money. The afternoon ads i am talking about are for cruise holidays.

[puntingking]

According to SAAFE forum (a forum for sex workers) apparently they also complain about the lack of business they receive but one wg mention that things are only now starting to pick up.

So while we complain of the declining number of sps (or so we think) they complain of the lack of clients coming through their door.

 I guess it is swings and roundabouts 

[advent2016]

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[scutty brown]

According to SAAFE forum (a forum for sex workers) apparently they also complain about the lack of business they receive but one wg mention that things are only now starting to pick up.

So while we complain of the declining number of sps (or so we think) they complain of the lack of clients coming through their door.

 I guess it is swings and roundabouts 

The lack of clients is directly due to their inflationary pricing, but that's a topic for another thread

[Adoniron]

According to SAAFE forum (a forum for sex workers) apparently they also complain about the lack of business they receive but one wg mention that things are only now starting to pick up.

So while we complain of the declining number of sps (or so we think) they complain of the lack of clients coming through their door.

 I guess it is swings and roundabouts 

There will be plenty of clients for SPs providing a consistently good service at a reasonable price.

[daviemac]

The lack of clients is directly due to their inflationary pricing, but that's a topic for another thread

FFS don't encourage yet another prices thread, there's 100's of them, they are boring, pointless and make no difference to what escorts charge.

BTW this thread is about the declining numbers of SPs, whether or not escorts have noticed a reduction in clients is their problem and nothing to do with us, they have SAAFE to discuss that.

[Punting2022]

Or maybe these ladies have got a 9 to 5 Job, and a decline in them is because they are working hard in a office, shop etc somewhere.

Seeking/OnlyFans id say has changed the game. Also Dubai and abroad. Rich Arab men will stalk seeking/Insta contact these model girls. Offer them such a high price for FUN. How it pays to have Money. You have enough Money, you can get any girl you want

[Adoniron]

Or maybe these ladies have got a 9 to 5 Job, and a decline in them is because they are working hard in a office, shop etc somewhere.

The fact that there seem to be even fewer girls available in the evenings and and weekends would suggest not.

[puntingking]

Or maybe these ladies have got a 9 to 5 Job, and a decline in them is because they are working hard in a office, shop etc somewhere.

Seeking/OnlyFans id say has changed the game. Also Dubai and abroad. Rich Arab men will stalk seeking/Insta contact these model girls. Offer them such a high price for FUN. How it pays to have Money. You have enough Money, you can get any girl you want

No, as the sex workers say on their forum that business is dead and very quiet.

But as daviemac as pointed out, let them discuss that aspect on their forum as that does not involve us.

[Coriniumstud]

It’s not that there’s fewer wg’s,it’s just in the area i punt all the decent Polish Girls have gone and been replaced with Roms and touring Brazilians and Thai’s

[rubric]

It’s not that there’s fewer wg’s,it’s just in the area i punt all the decent Polish Girls have gone and been replaced with Roms and touring Brazilians and Thai’s

Polish (and even Romanian) economy has picked up over the last few years and Brexit makes it harder for them to come over here - and they have easier options like Germany.

[petermisc]

It’s not that there’s fewer wg’s,it’s just in the area i punt all the decent Polish Girls have gone and been replaced with Roms and touring Brazilians and Thai’s

In most of the areas outside London I have been recently, Brazilians easily make up over 50% of what is on offer, with the "Japanese" (i.e. Chinese) coming next.  Very little else.

If for some reason the Brazilians were to stop, the scene would be really desperate!

[carlisleman]

I've had the same two saved searches of AW for some years.  One is a 25 mile radius and the other is my country.  I have found that a few girls don't enter a Post Code so any show up on the county search.
I have found a gradual decline in numbers on both searches in recent years. I am in a typical Middle England area, with very low unemployment but with lots of low paid jobs in tourism.  In the last few month most of the Roms have gone, not doubt related to a Rom couple being sent down at the end of last year. Thais seems to come on waves and move on every couple of weeks. There are only a couple at the moment.
Overall on both searches there is a 25% to 30% drop in numbers from say 2018.  There are fewer tourers no doubt due to high accommodation costs.   There are also fewer new local girls coming into the profession.  At the same time the girls are getting older. Relatively few girls saying they are under 30 - and some some who have bene 29 for a while.
Have others noticed the same trends?

Speaking to girls in the same area (I think) they are very quiet, a few i have visited and I'm the only one that day. You can always tell how busy a girl is when you ask availability and they say now, and you put forward a suggestion of an hour or so into the future and they are also free then. They have little to no bookings. . Go to viva street and you have ten to fifteen suspiciously looking model type girls selling themselves for £80 - £100 with everything an extra, and on AW rarely anything less. I'm guessing the local market cant sustain the number of girls at the price they demand and those who are selling the old £60 for 1/2 an hour are just awful.

[Joe112]

Speaking to girls in the same area (I think) they are very quiet, a few i have visited and I'm the only one that day. You can always tell how busy a girl is when you ask availability and they say now, and you put forward a suggestion of an hour or so into the future and they are also free then. They have little to no bookings. . Go to viva street and you have ten to fifteen suspiciously looking model type girls selling themselves for £80 - £100 with everything an extra, and on AW rarely anything less. I'm guessing the local market cant sustain the number of girls at the price they demand and those who are selling the old £60 for 1/2 an hour are just awful.

Is vs more popular than aw?

[Maak]

The economy effects how often punters can punt.Some WGs have a dusty phone & end up moving on.The popular WGs are always fully booked and working.

[carlisleman]

Is vs more popular than aw?

There’s a ‘type’ on VS. The photos seem to be either very attractive and young Eastern Europeans,  Brazilian or Thai (or Chinese masquerading as Thai), lots of bait and switch with fake pictures, or extras for everything. VS girls don’t seem to be about reputation, jsut get the money, return custom isn’t important, names are generic, shake a place down and move on. AW also has a bit of that, but it is about girls trying to build a reputation and getting return custom.

[jimbobted]

There’s a ‘type’ on VS. The photos seem to be either very attractive and young Eastern Europeans,  Brazilian or Thai (or Chinese masquerading as Thai), lots of bait and switch with fake pictures, or extras for everything. VS girls don’t seem to be about reputation, jsut get the money, return custom isn’t important, names are generic, shake a place down and move on. AW also has a bit of that, but it is about girls trying to build a reputation and getting return custom.

Hard to generalise. I tend to avoid VS, but one of my favourite girls (now sadly no longer in the country) was a "Russian" (actually Lithuanian) who advertised only on VS. She did had an AW profile for a while but preferred VS even though she was aware of the reputation it was full of scammers and B&S.

[magnetico]

. VS girls don’t seem to be about reputation, jsut get the money, return custom isn’t important, names are generic, shake a place down and move on.

This is exactly my experience with VivaStreet 

[scutty brown]

Hard to generalise. I tend to avoid VS, but one of my favourite girls (now sadly no longer in the country) was a "Russian" (actually Lithuanian) who advertised only on VS. She did had an AW profile for a while but preferred VS even though she was aware of the reputation it was full of scammers and B&S.

Some girls prefer VS because the validation hoops are much less, or even virtually non-existent - so profiles can be easily set up with no checks.
The next obvious point from that is that girls (or their pimps / traffickers) can easily and rapidly change/replace profiles as the girls move around, so effectively destroying any profile history and enabling the girls to only have transient identities. Means punters haven't a clue about past misdemeanours, and the police have no firm trail they can follow.

[jimbobted]

Some girls prefer VS because the validation hoops are much less, or even virtually non-existent - so profiles can be easily set up with no checks.
The next obvious point from that is that girls (or their pimps / traffickers) can easily and rapidly change/replace profiles as the girls move around, so effectively destroying any profile history and enabling the girls to only have transient identities. Means punters haven't a clue about past misdemeanours, and the police have no firm trail they can follow.

This is all true, but that wasn't at play in this case. She definitely wasn't pimped, I think she just found it easier to make her ad completely disappear when she wasn't working (she tended to work for just a few days a month in between her studies).
Ah, memories...

[petermisc]

Some girls prefer VS because the validation hoops are much less, or even virtually non-existent - so profiles can be easily set up with no checks.

The requirement to provide an unblurred verification photo caused one of my old regulars to loose her AW profile.  She refused to provide one, as she was scared of someone recognising her and her family finding out what she did, so AW deleted the profile.  So the AW validation does definitely put off some genuine WGs.

But the lack of such requirements on VS does definitely mean it is riddled with b&s merchants and other such con artists with photos designed to lure you in.  You need to go in with your eyes wide open - if it looks to good to be true, etc.  I do still use VS, but will research any offering thoroughly (googling the phone number, picture search, etc) before I bite.  Generally, I am very suspicious of anyone who only advertises on VS and nowhere else.

[Thepacifist]

Is there a chance that men would eventually stop wanted to have sex 🤔

No chance 

[jimbobted]

The requirement to provide an unblurred verification photo caused one of my old regulars to loose her AW profile.  She refused to provide one, as she was scared of someone recognising her and her family finding out what she did, so AW deleted the profile.  So the AW validation does definitely put off some genuine WGs.

Unless I'm missing something punters can't see the verification photos, so how could someone have recognised her?

[Strawberry]

Unless I'm missing something punters can't see the verification photos, so how could someone have recognised her?

There used to be a display/don't display option, sometimes AW got it wrong and or it was accidentally displayed. Also last year for a short while AW made it compulsory for non-british nationals to display a non-blurred face photo.

[daviemac]

Unless I'm missing something punters can't see the verification photos, so how could someone have recognised her?

At one time the default was to display veri pics, the SP had to tick a box if they didn't want to show them, as a result loads were posted on here, however AW changed the default to not show.

They can no longer be posted on here, nor can they be linked to, quoted or reposted, if a thread has one in that can't be linked to either.

[Paul Shanahan]

A fascinating discussion, with which I concur. Although I suggest that the decline has been happening for quite some time. Looking back at comments on a similar discussion in 2019, this is what I said then:

"I tend to agree that there is a drop off in activity on AW, as well as a bit of a crisis in terms of rising prices and poorer customer service amongst many working girls. I think it's likely to get worse. My own tastes are for MILFs and GILFs, and in my part of the world it used to be quite easy to book one at a day or two's notice, working out of her Council house and prepared to sell her fanny for £90 or £100 per hour; and her arse for a tenner more... Sadly, a number of my ladies of choice have retired over the last few years, and aren't being replaced by newer providers.

Those who remain seem busier and more difficult to book, and obviously have all the regulars they can accommodate... It's difficult to identify what exactly has happened, but the huge drop in teenage pregnancies in recent decades has definitely been a contributory factor - there are fewer women abandoned by boyfriends with kids to look after, and desperate to earn something to supplement their benefits. Instead any girl with get up and go in the decaying pit towns and villages of Yorkshire and the East Midlands which are my punting territory are in regular work, or off to college, and not in the career path from pump and dump in seedy parlours to independent whore working from home.

Relatively few of the women in these dead-end areas have got what it takes to be successful whores - it's not enough to have an enthusiasm for cock and skills in servicing it. They've got to keep a clean, tidy and respectable house - most of us will only visit an SP where the house smells of smoke or the plumbing hangs off the wall once. Likewise, the presence of the other half watching Jeremy Kyle downstairs, or some lairy youths outside isn't great for the libido... A good whore needs be friendly and accommodating, and able to manage conversation with the wide range of gentlemen who pay their hard-earned money to use her cunt... A good whore needs to be organised - and many of those I've met combine looking after children, grandchildren and elderly parents with opening their legs two or three times a day. Not easy, and whilst whoring may have been the only option when the women I prefer went on the game in previous decades, there are more choices now..."

The reason we can't find a willing WG with whom to spend our hard-earned cash is that for most women with the get-up-and-go to make a living from escorting, there are other alternatives.

[Colston36]

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Fascinating. The problem being I guess that you can't see what the people behind the door look like. I mean it can't be eto loiter nearby in the confines of a cruise ship.

[Colston36]

The lack of clients is directly due to their inflationary pricing, but that's a topic for another thread

Is their pricing any more inflationary than that of other things we buy?

[daviemac]

The reason we can't find a willing WG with whom to spend our hard-earned cash is that for most women with the get-up-and-go to make a living from escorting, there are other alternatives.

Is that the reason you haven't posted a review in over 4 years? 

[Demon8]

I think everyone has come to the right conclusion about the immediately obvious causes, essentially boiling down to there being less money generally available for punting, especially in low earners (who might have afforded a once a month visit to a rom or low quality brit a few years back), so the "low quality" SP's get fewer customers and can't compete with the better girls, so the prices of the mid and high range girls goes up, and we get a feedback loop of affordability.


I think one thing that has not been considered is the fact that fewer SP's have their own place to service from, or are willing to do so. They buy agreements in services apartments, rent a property specifically for the job, or go the hotel route. All of this significantly increases the cost to the SP, who will obviously offload the risk to the punter. Ive spoken to one girl who told me I was her second visit that day (at 9pm) and that it was slow. Whether that was true or not I did consider that sometimes they may only break even, but have to be available to be a consistent provider.

[alabama1]

I think everyone has come to the right conclusion about the immediately obvious causes, essentially boiling down to there being less money generally available for punting, especially in low earners (who might have afforded a once a month visit to a rom or low quality brit a few years back), so the "low quality" SP's get fewer customers and can't compete with the better girls, so the prices of the mid and high range girls goes up, and we get a feedback loop of affordability.


I think one thing that has not been considered is the fact that fewer SP's have their own place to service from, or are willing to do so. They buy agreements in services apartments, rent a property specifically for the job, or go the hotel route. All of this significantly increases the cost to the SP, who will obviously offload the risk to the punter. Ive spoken to one girl who told me I was her second visit that day (at 9pm) and that it was slow. Whether that was true or not I did consider that sometimes they may only break even, but have to be available to be a consistent provider.

Just looked at the prices for a room by me at a well know chain hotel, £27. Any WG who fails to break even at those prices is doing something seriously wrong 

[MissWolf]

Just looked at the prices for a room by me at a well know chain hotel, £27. Any WG who fails to break even at those prices is doing something seriously wrong 

The  question is though is that hotel workable?

[alabama1]

The  question is though is that hotel workable?

From multiple personal experiences, i can categorically say yes it is. 

[Demon8]

From multiple personal experiences, i can categorically say yes it is. 

Damn bro where are you finding hotels for £27? It might be my sensibilities talking (and that if the girls I've seen), but they seem to set up business in upmarket rooms (which is why you can be damn sure I will take advantage of a shower and a towel whilst there!)

[alabama1]

Damn bro where are you finding hotels for £27? It might be my sensibilities talking (and that if the girls I've seen), but they seem to set up business in upmarket rooms (which is why you can be damn sure I will take advantage of a shower and a towel whilst there!)

I just found a room for £26 per night in your neck of the woods.

[Jujy78]

I'm going to put another perspective in it. Could it be that the number of clients are also reducing because of there age factor? For example, The young punters I think get there fix from other avenues like only fans etc and other online platforms. The older lot probably prefer the traditional actual seeing and having sex however from my experience atleast I don't like seeing a young fit girl no matter how attractive she is or looks. For some reason I like seeing a girl within my age bracket not so model looking but real girl next door type even a bit of tummy etc. when I see someone real looking it just seems and feels more organic. Anybody thinks same as me or is it just my fetish lol I'm in my mid 40s and punting since I was 18.

[cunningman]

For some reason I like seeing a girl within my age bracket not so model looking but real girl next door type even a bit of tummy etc. when I see someone real looking it just seems and feels more organic. Anybody thinks same as me or is it just my fetish lol I'm in my mid 40s and punting since I was 18.

I'm pushing 60, and much prefer 40+, 35 at a pinch.  Not had much fun at 50+ outside of Seeking.

[alabama1]

I'm going to put another perspective in it. Could it be that the number of clients are also reducing because of there age factor? For example, The young punters I think get there fix from other avenues like only fans etc and other online platforms. The older lot probably prefer the traditional actual seeing and having sex however from my experience atleast I don't like seeing a young fit girl no matter how attractive she is or looks. For some reason I like seeing a girl within my age bracket not so model looking but real girl next door type even a bit of tummy etc. when I see someone real looking it just seems and feels more organic. Anybody thinks same as me or is it just my fetish lol I'm in my mid 40s and punting since I was 18.

I do, and they also look real