Non Punter Mentality vs Punter Mindset

[Ali Katt]

I was reading another forum and a lot say they could not see a WG as they "would never be able to look themselves in the eyes" and other superlatives. The other thing people say is "they never have to pay for it", usually I've found people who say that are either trapped in loveless marriages or wanking their lives away.

I know similar subjects have existed before, but the question is what makes us think differently? I personally don't really get hung about sex.

[Zimbaman]

I think there is a huge difference between what people admit to (even on a forum) and what they will do when they think no one is looking. No need to hide on this forum, but if you met me in real life and we discussed punting, I would assure you that I simply couldn’t look myself in the eye if I ever paid for sex. Then I’d bugger off and find a nubile young lady for an hour or so 

[Jimmyredcab]

I was reading another forum and a lot say they could not see a WG as they "would never be able to look themselves in the eyes" and other superlatives. The other thing people say is "they never have to pay for it"

Oh but we all pay for it, one way or another, compare my outgoings with a married man with three kids, the very thought sends me dizzy.   

[mikexxlong]

I was reading another forum and a lot say they could not see a WG as they "would never be able to look themselves in the eyes" and other superlatives. The other thing people say is "they never have to pay for it", usually I've found people who say that are either trapped in loveless marriages or wanking their lives away.

I know similar subjects have existed before, but the question is what makes us think differently? I personally don't really get hung about sex.

yeah I've found that most who say such things are :-

1)usually chatting shit and are lying hypocrites

2) a chronic Masturbator

3) don't have the courage and or the money to visit a pro$$ie

4) quite content that once in a blue moon completely by chance they have a feverish fumble with some desperate drunken chav or such like

[Waterhouse]

Oh but we all pay for it, one way or another, compare my outgoings with a married man with three kids, the very thought sends me dizzy.   

"Three and out!". 

I would guess that on average a married man with kids in his 40's is getting very little to none with his other half and still as the same level of out goings.

[Metalgear2018]

Paying for sex has always been a taboo. But being married is more expensive than money. Marriage cost you're mental health, physical health, and lastly financial freedom.

Paying for sex via an escort makes more sense.

[Ali Katt]

Paying for sex has always been a taboo. But being married is more expensive than money. Marriage cost you're mental health, physical health, and lastly financial freedom.

Paying for sex via an escort makes more sense.

Depends what your reasons for marrying are, if someone is stupid enough to marry just for a regular shag partner then they are pretty stupid.

[king tarzan]

yeah I've found that most who say such things are :-

1)usually chatting shit and are lying hypocrites

2) a chronic Masturbator

3) don't have the courage and or the money to visit a pro$$ie

4) quite content that once in a blue moon completely by chance they have a feverish fumble with some desperate drunken chav or such like

very valid true brutal points..

[Ali Katt]

Not having the courage is an interesting point. I've told my story before, but it was a no brainer for me as I've said before the hardest part was picking up the phone and making a booking.

[king tarzan]

Not having the courage is an interesting point. I've told my story before, but it was a no brainer for me as I've said before the hardest part was picking up the phone and making a booking.

I remember 1st time i went, it tok me about two weeks to decide to go or not.
Kept getting nervous, but went in the end.. very limited services in those days..

[JonasG]

I was reading another forum and a lot say they could not see a WG as they "would never be able to look themselves in the eyes" and other superlatives. The other thing people say is "they never have to pay for it", usually I've found people who say that are either trapped in loveless marriages or wanking their lives away.

I know similar subjects have existed before, but the question is what makes us think differently? I personally don't really get hung about sex.

I was thinking the same recently.

I just don't get it personally, some guys really make a big deal out of sleeping with a prossie. (Even if she isn't trafficked)

Glad I at least have 1 mate who has the same outlook as me.

It's just sex with a willing person, or are some guys just seeing sex as some really special thing? It's just an activity ffs.

[JonasG]

Unless I've become desensitised to it, but seeing a WG effects me mentally about the same as buying petrol now lol.

[magnetico]

It's just sex with a willing person, or are some guys just seeing sex as some really special thing? It's just an activity ffs.

It's best to just see it as a hobby.

[JonasG]

It's best to just see it as a hobby.

Basically yeah.

I just equate it to a night out on the piss now.

A night out usually costs about £80-£100 including drinks, fags and uber to and back home. I usually spend £80 on a 30 min punt.

[bearcat69]

I remember having a discussion with a woman about this many years ago, long before I started punting, but when the desire was very much there...

She wasn't impressed, but to paraphrase what she said in response to my opinions, which she loudly professed disapproval of;

 "well, atleast you're honest"

...and I think that sums up the difference aptly.

I want to get my end away, and I'll try and get it any (legal) bloody way I can, with any attractive woman I can get my hands on, and I see little difference in paying for in an up front and no bullshit way, or trying to get it in civvie ways that involve a social ritual with an inherently attached monetary cost. In all honesty, I've never been one to mince my words or be coy about my intentions towards a woman if I find her attractive. If no was the answer, I'd just walk away and look elsewhere. I remember a lot of friends would judge me for this, but atleast I never wasted half my life chasing around after women I'd like to fuck but just pretending I was just friends with them out of some convuluted hypocritical sense or social morality, whilst all the time getting nowhere with them. Fuck that shit.

[plums]

In purely functional terms, the need to pleasure your filthies is a biological urge like everything else and needs servicing from time to time.  If you don't want love, kids or consequences or whatever other reasons people seek out a life partner, then seeing a WG is no different to getting a haircut, a doctor's appointment, a visit to the dentist or whoever else looks after the needs of your body. 

[JamesKW]

I was reading another forum and a lot say they could not see a WG as they "would never be able to look themselves in the eyes" and other superlatives. The other thing people say is "they never have to pay for it", usually I've found people who say that are either trapped in loveless marriages or wanking their lives away.

I know similar subjects have existed before, but the question is what makes us think differently? I personally don't really get hung about sex.

There are plenty in marriages,not necessary loveless,that use WGs,there are many that are able to achieve a rapport with women that don't need to pay for it.There are others that get into what they think are a fuck buddy relationship with other women but it ends up getter a lot worse,these guys always end up paying for it financialy and emotionaly in the end.

[JamesKW]

Oh but we all pay for it, one way or another, compare my outgoings with a married man with three kids, the very thought sends me dizzy.   

Not necessarily,women work nowdays and many bring in as much if not more than their other halves.All the wealthy people I know are all with O/H with three or more children.

[JamesKW]

"Three and out!". 

I would guess that on average a married man with kids in his 40's is getting very little to none with his other half and still as the same level of out goings.

Yeah but most of them are also getting plenty with WGs and having affairs.

[Gustav Klimt]

then seeing a WG is no different to getting a haircut, a doctor's appointment, a visit to the dentist or whoever else looks after the needs of your body.

I couldn’t have put it any better myself. Exactly how I look at it.

[RedKettle]

Oh but we all pay for it, one way or another, compare my outgoings with a married man with three kids, the very thought sends me dizzy.   

That only applies if you got married to be able to have sex, which would be fairly stupid. I am very happy with my wife and kids and have no problem with the ‘cost ‘ of them.  Unfortunately sex with the wife is very infrequent so I use punting to fill that gap.

[RedKettle]

I think there is a huge difference between what people admit to (even on a forum) and what they will do when they think no one is looking. No need to hide on this forum, but if you met me in real life and we discussed punting, I would assure you that I simply couldn’t look myself in the eye if I ever paid for sex. Then I’d bugger off and find a nubile young lady for an hour or so 

Yep same here.  I am pretty sure that people who know me would be amazed if they found out I had this hobby.

[Trotter671]

It's best to just see it as a hobby.

That's my take on it too. Had the serious relationships in the past. These days just enjoy getting down and dirty with a young(er than me) hotty with no complications

[JamesKW]

Yep same here.  I am pretty sure that people who know me would be amazed if they found out I had this hobby.

There are many in a similar boat,but it is not something you would discuss in social circles.I doubt many would be surprised,some maybe having affairs (which we would consider more dangerous) than use WGs.

[vw]

Not having the courage is an interesting point. I've told my story before, but it was a no brainer for me as I've said before the hardest part was picking up the phone and making a booking.

Have a mate that has been thinking about picking up the phone for 12 years now.   His loss.

[rocket88]

Not having the courage is an interesting point. I've told my story before, but it was a no brainer for me as I've said before the hardest part was picking up the phone and making a booking.

When I wanted to try punting for the first time, I dithered about for a couple of weeks before making the phone call, eventually made it and the rest is history!

[GreyDave]

Yep same here.  I am pretty sure that people who know me would be amazed if they found out I had this hobby.

+1 . When younger late teens  shortly before I started punting I met woman who was quite open about that she gave the boss a blow job and wank to get on she also commented that it save him some cash instead of cerbcrawling    I have to say at the time I was schocked that a seemimly professional mid 30`s woman would do this ...fastforward now par for course for many, its just a way of spilling beans, for me as a punter. The non punter reads I think too much in to the exchange of cash or services for sex but then some people want it to be mills and boon 

I am more in the britishbukkakebabes.co chap frame of mind  get it out and over some tarts face or tits or just put it in the rubber bag

[king tarzan]

Have a mate that has been thinking about picking up the phone for 12 years now.   His loss.

Like yourself does he go making things up from himself and go around shit stirring with a farting keyboard?

[king tarzan]

When I wanted to try punting for the first time, I dithered about for a couple of weeks before making the phone call, eventually made it and the rest is history!

+1 same here.. and yep the rest is history!!
Got much much easier as time went on!

[vw]

Like yourself does he go making things up from himself and go around shit stirring with a farting keyboard?

Says the Diva Sock puppet.   

[Marmalade]

Have a mate that has been thinking about picking up the phone for 12 years now.   His loss.

You could remind him perhaps, that the most common regret by men nearing the end of their lives is not having had enough sex. 

[catweazle]

It has already been said in this thread, but l view whores as just one more specialist who attends to bodily needs - like the dentist, the doctor, the barber, the chiropodist......

That said, because of the social stigma of it, when asked, l would deny ever paying a hooker.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Have a mate that has been thinking about picking up the phone for 12 years now.   His loss.

And the funny thing is that the profile he was looking at has only aged 5 years 

[Plan R]

Paying for sex has always been a taboo. But being married is more expensive than money. Marriage cost you're mental health, physical health, and lastly financial freedom.
Paying for sex via an escort makes more sense.

Haha threads that generate punting lore like this are great

For me I started very early (15), so never had to feel I was breaking some bullshit long held personal code or anything.
I've had 3 LTR's (7/8) yrs, during two of which I didn't punt.
Now at 50 I'm back into punting (see above quote) and loving it.

[blackd2103]

Yes quite a taboo subject and like others have said men pay for it in various forms. A friend of mine went to Nigeria (he doesn't know I punt) to visit his family. While out there a cousin of his hooked him up with a local girl, after doing the business she gave a sob story about needing 'help' and he gave her some money. I told him he had basically paid for sex and he insisted he hadn't he had merely helped the girl out 

[Ali Katt]

Jealousy does seem to be a huge factor. A lot of Well Jel celibate men.

[Ali Katt]

Basically yeah.

I just equate it to a night out on the piss now.

A night out usually costs about £80-£100 including drinks, fags and uber to and back home. I usually spend £80 on a 30 min punt.

Sounds like a lot of money I haven't paid that in years. The last time was a gig in Manchester and only because I paid for a cheap hotel as I wanted a drink and didn't fancy driving back.

[JonasG]

Sounds like a lot of money I haven't paid that in years. The last time was a gig in Manchester and only because I paid for a cheap hotel as I wanted a drink and didn't fancy driving back.

Guess it depends where.

If I'm out in London then it'll cost esp. if I'm drinking doubles.

Local haunts much cheaper plus no Ubers back and forth.

[Bogof60]

Just paid 80 quid for a night out with OH. Not an unusual amount to pay.
OH is snoring in bed and I am browsing UKP
Go figure.

[CluckinBell]

In purely functional terms, the need to pleasure your filthies is a biological urge like everything else and needs servicing from time to time.  If you don't want love, kids or consequences or whatever other reasons people seek out a life partner, then seeing a WG is no different to getting a haircut, a doctor's appointment, a visit to the dentist or whoever else looks after the needs of your body.

Perfect!

[GreyDave]

You could remind him perhaps, that the most common regret by men nearing the end of their lives is not having had enough sex. 

I thought that was attributed the wheelchair bound late Sir John Beechaman on his last BBC interveiw 

[GreyDave]

Just paid 80 quid for a night out with OH. Not an unusual amount to pay.
OH is snoring in bed and I am browsing UKP
Go figure.

Figure this one ...sorted cash out for punt sorted new packet of blue pills...
Bit cooler last night OH  decides why dont I  try out those new ones ...
I am now to knackered for the Busty Polish girl I was preping for
80 quid save for next week which is gonna be bad as schools are out

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[Plan R]

I saw her a week or two ago Grey Dave (review shortly), let's just say it'll be a resounding positive 

Still.. probably shouldn't moan about having a willing partner - there's plenty on here who only get that every second Christmas !   

[peter.witless]

I'm quite happy to believe that there are plenty of guys out there who genuinely don't even think of visiting a WG.

Their loss. To me it is a guilt-free trip to have a bit of fun. It's not lack of sex at home, it's the need for variety.

There is not one other person in RL who I've ever discussed my hobby with ... and I'd have no problem lying with a straight face ... "No, your honour, I'd NEVER pay for sex!" ... 

Twice in my life I've encountered acquaintances in my hobby ...
1. Entering a rather well known Johannesburg establishment I met the pastor of my wife's church ... we both blinked and then walked past each other without a word ... neither of us has ever mentioned it since ... and he's been for more than one visit to our house. I feel sorry for him, at least I've never claimed to be holy!
2. In a rather low-class club, also in Johannesburg, I encountered a close friend of my wife, busy selling her services ... she almost died of shock. I just grinned at her and walked on. We've shared coffee and cookies at social events often since then ... she still can't look me in the eye.

Haven't seen either of them in over 5 years now. In both of those cases the other person had far more to lose then me in letting it out ...

[Horizontal pleasures]

My punting brain or mindset is private except on here. I never met anyone outside of punting, man or woman, with whom I discussed this. And I only met other punters many many years ago at Cynthia Payne's parties.

[Ali Katt]

I'm quite happy to believe that there are plenty of guys out there who genuinely don't even think of visiting a WG.

Perhaps, but there's also a lot of men that have never given a woman an orgasm, been rimmed or experienced the joys of snowballing.

[GreyDave]

  Alicat and PlanR good comments lads....

And this to mill  Just got back from quick drink and chat with very old mate ...His son 30 has just been chucked out of the house that my mate put 30% down on when the son and his girlfrind got married now with a kid of 18 months old she want him only in her life to look after kid on shopping day morning and 2 evenings a week which she will decide on WTF is happening to young girls these days she seems to think that she is entitled to everything and chucked him out ...I just did not know what to say..

.A while ago on Radio 4 so it must right
A social expert/commentator explained young men now have more male mates and look on girls as a dangerous experiance..I thought bollocks at the time now I feel they were spot on.

[Ali Katt]

Alicat and PlanR good comments lads....

And this to mill  Just got back from quick drink and chat with very old mate ...His son 30 has just been chucked out of the house that my mate put 30% down on when the son and his girlfrind got married now with a kid of 18 months old she want him only in her life to look after kid on shopping day morning and 2 evenings a week which she will decide on WTF is happening to young girls these days she seems to think that she is entitled to everything and chucked him out ...I just did not know what to say..

.A while ago on Radio 4 so it must right
A social expert/commentator explained young men now have more male mates and look on girls as a dangerous experiance..I thought bollocks at the time now I feel they were spot on.

It's quite difficult for married life to compete with hedonism. Pure, unbridled selfishness.

With the last point, I honestly don't know I went out with a psycho which I think pushed me into punting after going incel for over a year. I have a great time with a lot of females, but male banter is something which can't be explained, I think it's because what the Americans call "busting balls".

[Jindybandy]

Not having the courage is an interesting point. I've told my story before, but it was a no brainer for me as I've said before the hardest part was picking up the phone and making a booking.

It is an interesting thing the psychology of this. I’ve always had social anxiety and been terrible at talking to strangers. Absolutely rubbish on dating sites and such which (a long time ago) eventually got me to stumble into punting. Took me months and months to pluck up the courage to book and was scared to death during the first couple of meets...but gradually now it’s become second nature and apart from that initial uncertainty when you first get to the door of a new to you WG, it doesn’t really bother me now.

What I find interesting to hear when I’ve chatted with some girls at the end of meets about my shyness and awkwardness(which has improved slightly) and they comment that I was able to do the booking I always say I think it’s because I know what to expect and that no matter what after 30 mins or an hour it’s over. The WGs often reply that they’ve met guys who couldn’t go through with it or, I assume, don’t have the confidence to have a ‘proper session’. Makes me think that these jack-the-lad types that are out there maybe are mostly just all talk and only a very small number of them can actually walk the walk in the bedroom 

I’d like to think that my comfort around WGs means I’d be able to step it up with a civvie and show her a great time. Like to think in some ways I’ve been trained by ‘professionals’ 

just still struggle with nerves, anxiety and even getting to that stage but in a way the punter mentality is something I think I have

[Ali Katt]

It is an interesting thing the psychology of this. I’ve always had social anxiety and been terrible at talking to strangers. Absolutely rubbish on dating sites and such which (a long time ago) eventually got me to stumble into punting. Took me months and months to pluck up the courage to book and was scared to death during the first couple of meets...but gradually now it’s become second nature and apart from that initial uncertainty when you first get to the door of a new to you WG, it doesn’t really bother me now.

What I find interesting to hear when I’ve chatted with some girls at the end of meets about my shyness and awkwardness(which has improved slightly) and they comment that I was able to do the booking I always say I think it’s because I know what to expect and that no matter what after 30 mins or an hour it’s over. The WGs often reply that they’ve met guys who couldn’t go through with it or, I assume, don’t have the confidence to have a ‘proper session’. Makes me think that these jack-the-lad types that are out there maybe are mostly just all talk and only a very small number of them can actually walk the walk in the bedroom 

I’d like to think that my comfort around WGs means I’d be able to step it up with a civvie and show her a great time. Like to think in some ways I’ve been trained by ‘professionals’ 

just still struggle with nerves, anxiety and even getting to that stage but in a way the punter mentality is something I think I have

Thanks for sharing Jindy. You don't sound unlike me. With civvies I think I was quite lucky in my late teens and early 20s, but it seems to get harder since and it's an issue in itself, but I think things like #metoo don't help.

There are a lot of jack the lads who are wanking their lives away. No doubt in my mind, I don't mean would be punters I mean the average man on the street, you hear made-up stories all the time, at one time it was "hardmen that took on ten blokes singlehandedly in a pub", now it seems to be men who claim to have shagged two girls both twins after asking them for a light.