Revealing your ethnicity on the phone

[Metalgear2018]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

[RandomGuy99]

No, I don't feel that you should need to.

[Strawberry]

This is something some punters do do, also by email.

[freeze44]

I do and as you say op it has saved time and money 

[king tarzan]

I'm very proud of my ethnicity ( like every person should be)
Have no qualms at all...
If the person on the other end has racial prejudices that's there problem not mine and money saved.

[myothernameis]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

Tell her you used to be a coloured person, but now you all white......Michael Jackson

[Beamer]

I'm very proud of my ethnicity ( like every person should be)
Have no qualms at all...
If the person on the other end has racial prejudices that's there problem not mine and money saved.

Absolutely!
One girl did ask me about my age and ethnic group. Told her I was incontinent, 700 years old and from Mars. When she laughed and asked again I told her to piss off and that there were plenty more options. She then tried to back track later via a text that I ignored and then blocked her.

[scutty brown]

I've found most girls get confused when I tell them "Durotrigan Romano-Celt with a bit of West Saxon"

[Beamer]

I've found most girls get confused when I tell them "Durotrigan Romano-Celt with a bit of West Saxon"

Nice one.

[Littlefoot]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

I don’t blame you when I read comments like this:

I made a booking a few weeks ago followed ALL the instructions. The WG looked through the spy hole and I could hear her walking back into her flat.
The next thing my mobile rang and a voice on the end said she does not see Black Men and yet I pointed out to her it does not say that on her profile. Wasted my time and diesel.

[winkywanky]

I've found most girls get confused when I tell them "Durotrigan Romano-Celt with a bit of West Saxon"

You're from Newton with Scales then, no wonder they wouldn't want to see you 

[peter purves]

No, I don't feel that you should need to.

I am the opposite! I do it all the time almost default mode. Some WGs find me bring up the topic most odd 

[peter purves]

I'm very proud of my ethnicity ( like every person should be)
Have no qualms at all...
If the person on the other end has racial prejudices that's there problem not mine and money saved.

There are some WGs who are 'racist' but as I have said previously there are so many other mitigating factors that 'racism' doesn't have to play a part even if the WGs does operate a 'colour bar'.

[bitu1980]

I am the opposite! I do it all the time almost default mode. Some WGs find me bring up the topic most odd 

Same here. It feels almost apologetic which is a bit pathetic. I really need to stop doing it, if the SP has a problem it should be on their profile.

[peter purves]

Same here. It feels almost apologetic which is a bit pathetic. I really need to stop doing it, if the SP has a problem it should be on their profile.

Here KT is correct! It should not feel almost 'apologetic'. I state it as a matter of fact but I do find it ironic when I am asked, 'What has race got to do with it??', sounding like the Tina Turner classic 

[James]

some girls ask for discretion. when i went to see kyra. i was asked on phone if im indian asian.
guess kyra didnt want to open the door to a relative if she sees asians etc
some girls can just be racist wen they ask to.

[scutty brown]

I'm white, but find its always the younger chinese who ask

[cotton]

The flip side of the coin is that some women go bananas if you mention your white , like "why the fuck are mentioning that , why would you say that"
So while its ok so say your ethnically colored of some description , its not ok to say your white because its seen as aknowledging that you arnt of a potentially less desireable ethnicity. Surely it should be ok to say your white just as much as its ok to warn sps your ethnically colored.

[Ali Katt]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

Why would I? I'm white. I've not been mistaken for anything else based on voice, I did get asked my age a lot when I was in my 20s.

[Belgarion]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

I always do as I've had the door slammed in my face on arrival. Wasn't a pleasant experience and would not like it to happen again.

[freeze44]

Why would I? I'm white. I've not been mistaken for anything else based on voice, I did get asked my age a lot when I was in my 20s.

It's a choice although I am open with race, age, body size and services so as the op suggests there are no surprises and if not what the sp keen on, can save time and money. Why wouldn't you?

[Hobbit]

I'm very proud of my ethnicity ( like every person should be)
Have no qualms at all...
If the person on the other end has racial prejudices that's there problem not mine and money saved.

I have to agree. Anyone that has racial prejudice based on their experiences, "are only based on their experiences". Meaning, if they generalise across a whole race then they are being racist. I can understand sometimes girls can have bad experiences from certain people but to have a blanket approach across a whole culture without even meeting the person first is madness.

If punters start fearing this and start submitting to these racial behaviours by stating their ethnicities when making a booking, this will only perpetuate racism. As King Tarzan says, if you make a booking and turn up and they refuse to see you based on the colour of your skin then it is the girl losing out, not you!

Be happy with the you are and don't submit to racial discrimination. 

[Hobbit]

I always do as I've had the door slammed in my face on arrival. Wasn't a pleasant experience and would not like it to happen again.

Sorry to hear this. But I think if this happens then you should write a review on it and put it down as a negative so that other punters are aware of this.

[millbush]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises?

Why would I? It shouldn't make a difference but there again I'm white,I'd rather not meet some one that didn't like my ethnicity.

[Happylad]

Sorry to hear this. But I think if this happens then you should write a review on it and put it down as a negative so that other punters are aware of this.

Might it not be a better idea if we simply had a list of girls who operate a colour/race bar of any kind, and save members wasted `phone bills

[peter purves]

The flip side of the coin is that some women go bananas if you mention your white , like "why the fuck are mentioning that , why would you say that"
So while its ok so say your ethnically colored of some description , its not ok to say your white because its seen as aknowledging that you arnt of a potentially less desireable ethnicity. Surely it should be ok to say your white just as much as its ok to warn sps your ethnically colored.

I am presuming here - but correct me if I am wrong because you do not say so - these WGs are Non-White to whom you have been mentioning that you are White?

I would like to point out it is NOT -to quote your own words "Ok to say you ethnically colored of some description". Punter's mention it because they are aware of the discrimination, colour-bar etc they can experience. For White punters to be at the end of such treatment is very rare on the whole.

So I think your argument and reasoning somewhat misses the crux of this particular point.

[king tarzan]

I am presuming here - but correct me if I am wrong because you do not say so - these WGs are Non-White to whom you have been mentioning that you are White?

I would like to point out it is NOT -to quote your own words "Ok to say you ethnically colored of some description". Punter's mention it because they are aware of the discrimination, colour-bar etc they can experience. For White punters to be at the end of such treatment is very rare on the whole.

So I think your argument and reasoning somewhat misses the crux of this particular point.

Peter Peter yet again you are far far too nice 👍👍👍👍👍and extremely as usual far far too polite!!🙌🙌🙌

[peter purves]

Personally, I think a WG should be able to put aside any "hatred" of a particular race. I have heard that when exceptionally large sums of money are on offer then it becomes all that more easier to go through with a punt. 

[peter purves]

Peter Peter yet again you are far far too nice 👍👍👍👍👍and extremely as usual far far too polite!!🙌🙌🙌

 

I try... 

KT strikes again  

[cotton]

I am presuming here - but correct me if I am wrong because you do not say so - these WGs are Non-White to whom you have been mentioning that you are White?

I would like to point out it is NOT -to quote your own words "Ok to say you ethnically colored of some description". Punter's mention it because they are aware of the discrimination, colour-bar etc they can experience. For White punters to be at the end of such treatment is very rare on the whole.

So I think your argument and reasoning somewhat misses the crux of this particular point.

No mainly white chiks peter , like the sentiment illustrated in the attached tweet.
Presumably your black so you dont see the other side of the coin.

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[cotton]

Peter Peter yet again you are far far too nice 👍👍👍👍👍and extremely as usual far far too polite!!🙌🙌🙌

Something youl never be accused of KT 
And incidentally its the kind of disrespectful behaviour described in your saafe thread that causes some SPs to choose not to see people of certain ethnicities.

[Comicman]

I always  tell them my ethnicity (black) before agreeing to meet  i do it so that she doesn't get a shock when i turn up the majority of  girls  especially  Hungarians and Polish seem very  surprised when I  ask if they see black guys

[Hobbit]

Might it not be a better idea if we simply had a list of girls who operate a colour/race bar of any kind, and save members wasted `phone bills

No, That doesn't deal with the problem of racism. By doing that girls will carry on being racist. If you leave a negative review then that will let punters know and it might change the girls racist behaviour.

[Hobbit]

I always  tell them my ethnicity (black) before agreeing to meet  i do it so that she doesn't get a shock when i turn up the majority of  girls  especially  Hungarians and Polish seem very  surprised when I  ask if they see black guys

That's very kind of you. However, when you go to a restaurant for a meal do you tell them you are black? Or if you see a mechanic to get your car fixed do you tell them your race? I would guess you don't and you shouldn't have to. So why do you feel you have to tell a hooker what colour you are?

I know people don't like wasted journeys but by doing this it only perpetuates the problem and doesn't deal with it. 

[Ali Katt]

Might it not be a better idea if we simply had a list of girls who operate a colour/race bar of any kind, and save members wasted `phone bills

I think there are lists on this forum, plus a list on puntingwiki.

[Doc Holliday]

That's very kind of you. However, when you go to a restaurant for a meal do you tell them you are black? Or if you see a mechanic to get your car fixed do you tell them your race? I would guess you don't and you shouldn't have to. So why do you feel you have to tell a hooker what colour you are?

This comparison is always brought up in the racial discrimination discussion. Having sex with someone cannot be compared to other business transactions.

[Danj89]

I am the opposite! I do it all the time almost default mode. Some WGs find me bring up the topic most odd 

+1
Do it all the time due to being sprung by it when I arrived at a booking in 2012 then turned away. Wasn't offended but fucked off that I made excuses, got ready, drove etc. So since then always drop it, some are surprised I bring it up.

[Doc Holliday]

This comparison is always brought up in the racial discrimination discussion. Having sex with someone cannot be compared to other business transactions.

I meant to add a link to when metalgear last raised this issue. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=265324.msg2709457#msg2709457

It is what it is and the responses here are interesting in that many non white punters are putting 'practicality' ahead of other considerations.

[Happylad]

No, That doesn't deal with the problem of racism. By doing that girls will carry on being racist. If you leave a negative review then that will let punters know and it might change the girls racist behaviour.

Leopards don`t easily change their spots.  If a wg doesn`t like servicing a man of a different race/colour then `persuading` her to change by giving condemnatory surveys, while it may change their business practices, isn`t going to change their likes and dislikes, and a wg who doesn`t like the idea of servicing you, isn`t going to do a very good job in the way of your own personal satisfaction.  We all know what sort of service is given by an unwilling wg.

[Ali Katt]

I meant to add a link to when metalgear last raised this issue. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=265324.msg2709457#msg2709457

It is what it is and the responses here are interesting in that many non white punters are putting 'practicality' ahead of other considerations.

If I had known that or bothered to check I would have deleted this thread. Posting practically the same question twice and with the audacity not to thank posters for responding. Total arrogance from him yet again.

[Trex]

Does anyone pre warn the working girl of your ethnicity before booking just to avoid any surprises? I have done it once or twice and it has worked in my favour. It has saved me a wasted journey and money.

Yes, always ask her if she see black guys or other ethnicity, If she says no then move on to the next one who deserves your time and money.

I'm white I did got asked once if I'm a black guy before. But most of time I won't see girls who discriminates a certain ethnicity, I bet a lot of good black guys would be p!ssed off at this even it's not their fault.

[Comicman]

That's very kind of you. However, when you go to a restaurant for a meal do you tell them you are black? Or if you see a mechanic to get your car fixed do you tell them your race? I would guess you don't and you shouldn't have to. So why do you feel you have to tell a hooker what colour you are?

I know people don't like wasted journeys but by doing this it only perpetuates the problem and doesn't deal with it. 

I tell them because  i don't  want a wasted journey  or a bad performance from the girl im  not  saying its right  but i would  assume that the majority of  punters are white  men there are several girls on adultwork with a NBA policy

[Metalgear2018]

If I had known that or bothered to check I would have deleted this thread. Posting practically the same question twice and with the audacity not to thank posters for responding. Total arrogance from him yet again.

Ali I am thankful but I can't respond to every response. I thought I was the only one who told the wg of my race. I just want to have a good punting year 2020 and not waste any money. I usually do a 15min punt but this year I want to do an hour punt without taking blue pills. Therefore I don't want to waste my money on a racist wg.

[Ali Katt]

Ali I am thankful but I can't respond to every response. I thought I was the only one who told the wg of my race. I just want to have a good punting year 2020 and not waste any money. I usually do a 15min punt but this year I want to do an hour punt without taking blue pills. Therefore I don't want to waste my money on a racist wg.

The simplest solution would be to only see tried and tested girls. Possibly ones reviewed by black punters. In all honesty there's no guarantees, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I had a two hour journey for fuck all in 2018 and that was with a well reviewed escort.

[winkywanky]

The simplest solution would be to only see tried and tested girls. Possibly ones reviewed by black punters. In all honesty there's no guarantees, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I had a two hour journey for fuck all in 2018 and that was with a well reviewed escort.

That's not really fair on new girls, who may be very good SPs and don't operate a NBA policy. And we all like variety, so it's good to try new ones  .

It just needs girls to be up-front about who they do and don't want to see really.

As a White guy it's hard for me to put myself in a Black guy's shoes, but it seems to me that if this had been an issue for me in the past then when I'd made contact with a girl, I'd probably want to politely check in a by-the-by, matter-of-fact way if they'd see me as a Black guy? Yes, I know you shouldn't have to ask, but there's ways of asking without making yourself feel like shit, it's the pragmatic thing to do, and would save a wasted journey or any in-person discomfort as the door opens or as the girl looks out the window.

From what I can make out, some girls are adamant about it and you'll never change their minds, but from many posts on here it seems that lots of girls operate a ban based not on personal experience but on an ignorant 'rumour mill' (his enormous cock will kill me, he'll be rough, he'll rob me, he'll try to become my pimp, or whatever other shit). A polite enquiry with girls such as this is often met with a positive response, and then if the meet goes ahead their prejudice will be shown to be unfounded in their own personal experience. Tell her to fuck off and it'll simply reinforce her prejudice.

As for me choosing not to see girls who operate a NBA policy, well as others have said, having sex is not the same as serving people in a shop or working alongside someone, it's not everyday life. They're not all 'racist' in the commonly regarded way, ie they don't like Blacks, wish they weren't here, have nothing to do with them and all the other stuff which fucks up a multiracial society and is just plain nasty. So unless I get the impression from a WG's profile that she's out and out racist, I shan't be letting that stop me seeing her.

[Doc Holliday]

This ^

[Metalgear2018]

The simplest solution would be to only see tried and tested girls. Possibly ones reviewed by black punters. In all honesty there's no guarantees, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I had a two hour journey for fuck all in 2018 and that was with a well reviewed escort.

This may sound like a dumb question. But how can I tell if the punters are black on this forum when they do a review?

[Ali Katt]

This may sound like a dumb question. But how can I tell if the punters are black on this forum when they do a review?

They reply to this thread and say so. Not a stupid question.

[Ali Katt]

That's not really fair on new girls, who may be very good SPs and don't operate a NBA policy. And we all like variety, so it's good to try new ones  .

It just needs girls to be up-front about who they do and don't want to see really.

As a White guy it's hard for me to put myself in a Black guy's shoes, but it seems to me that if this had been an issue for me in the past then when I'd made contact with a girl, I'd probably want to politely check in a by-the-by, matter-of-fact way if they'd see me as a Black guy? Yes, I know you shouldn't have to ask, but there's ways of asking without making yourself feel like shit, it's the pragmatic thing to do, and would save a wasted journey or any in-person discomfort as the door opens or as the girl looks out the window.

From what I can make out, some girls are adamant about it and you'll never change their minds, but from many posts on here it seems that lots of girls operate a ban based not on personal experience but on an ignorant 'rumour mill' (his enormous cock will kill me, he'll be rough, he'll rob me, he'll try to become my pimp, or whatever other shit). A polite enquiry with girls such as this is often met with a positive response, and then if the meet goes ahead their prejudice will be shown to be unfounded in their own personal experience. Tell her to fuck off and it'll simply reinforce her prejudice.

As for me choosing not to see girls who operate a NBA policy, well as others have said, having sex is not the same as serving people in a shop or working alongside someone, it's not everyday life. They're not all 'racist' in the commonly regarded way, ie they don't like Blacks, wish they weren't here, have nothing to do with them and all the other stuff which fucks up a multiracial society and is just plain nasty. So unless I get the impression from a WG's profile that she's out and out racist, I shan't be letting that stop me seeing her.

A fair and measured response. I can't disagree I think one way of minimising bad punts is to see top rated girls, another is to look at punter reviews who have similar preferences to yourself, then the rest is just gut instinct. Nothing is of course guaranteed.

[winkywanky]

This may sound like a dumb question. But how can I tell if the punters are black on this forum when they do a review?

You can often tell from the writing style, IMO...frames of reference, use of the word 'Bro', reference to taking the 'D', the avatar, whatever. Perhaps even a seeming obsession with the size/shape/texture of a girl's arse    . I jest! Joking aside, we all give a bit of ourselves away when we write or speak on the phone.

I'm sure I write/sound like an old white guy  .

Having said that, occasionally someone will announce their race or colour here for some reason, and I will be genuinely suprised (and that can go both ways, they might be black, they might be white - other colours are available). You might call that prejudice on my part, because I have literally prejudged who or what I think someone is, we all do that and anyone who denies it would probably be lying. But that's not prejudice in a negative sense, we all have a picture of others based on what they say and how they say it, and that picture can only be as detailed as the information people give away on here.