BAREBACK

[kiwi69]

 UKP needs a new firewall............ the creeping  PN BB  debate  has migrated here  !!! 

It's like a stuck record................

Anyone suffering from BB paranoia should check the STD rates in Western Europe where BB is an accepted norm,
check out the number of  Dutch, German and Swiss auto-censoreds...............

Personal choice and responsibility...........

Oh, and as for the poll choices........nothing like a little subjectivity, eh ?

[King Nuts]

What you actually said was:

"I've spent several periods in my life having random, casual, and condom-free sex with many different women (non-WGs), and the last time was as recently as 2002-4 in my internet dating phase. And I can tell you, I've never caught a damn thing. Not once. Not ever. So, was I lucky?"

"Several" being more than two; so to be fair both of us read your original post incorrectly.

Yes they probably do test you for STI's and D's but only the ones that are likely to affect your fertility or prostate.  That's not every STD or I that exists just as the GUM don't test you for every STD/I.  I, therefore, doubt its everything known to man.

As for Elton John; how do you know what he has got or has not got?  Just because he may not have HIV (why are people so obsessed with HIV as though it is the only STI??? - and how do you know Elton John doesn't have it?) does not mean that he has not caught other STI/D's.  He may have STD/I's and not know about the same.  That is the point I am trying to make.
 
So far as I am concerned having some of these STD/I's is not so bad for you to take it so personally.  We all carry hundreds of bacteria/ virus's on us or in our body which have nothing to do with us having sex with anybody.  We catch them by touching other people/ objects other people have touched or even the air we breathe.  Does that make you weird or some sort of Pariah?  A wart can grow on your finger after you have shook hands with someone who has a wart on their finger.  Does that mean you would never shake hands with anyone?  STD/I's are only passed to us when we have sex with someone.  The number of STD's and the risk of contracting STI's increases significantly when you have unprotected sex.  Holding up people who may not have contracted many or significant STD/I's from having unprotected sex to show that unprotected sex is not risky is like saying "my great aunt smoked her whole life until she was 90, therefore, smoking is not that bad"; you are talking about the minor exceptions and not the reality.

I accept that you are as likely (actually probably more likely)  to catch an STD/ I if you sleep with people who's sexual history you are not sure about as much as if you sleep with a prostitute.  What I find misleading is to say that you have slept with numerous people who's sexual history you are not sure of and you know for sure that you have not caught anything.  That's not slagging of heterosexuality or promiscuity in any way.

And no ... I am not a doctor so do not take anything I say as gospel ... check it yourself if you want to be sure.  However, I like to think to myself that I have properly explored the risks of punting when embarking on a punt.  I am happy to be enlightened where I may be wrong.

You seem to want to persist with this hair splitting argument that I am BOUND to have caught something and that in spite of my various bits of medical attention in the last few years, both the quacks and I must have missed something potentially vile that may yet be lurking. Fine. Think what you like. I've never claimed to be any kind of an expert on these matters, but clearly you know even less than I do.

My Elton John comment was based more on the fact that even after the massive, swinging-both-ways sex binges the man allegedly went on in the 60s, 70s and 80s, he is (a) still alive and (b) able to 'father' a child. Given these and other factors, I think we can reasonably assume that he hasn't caught AIDS and that he's reasonable healthy. I'm very well aware of all the physical and other checks that take place if you want to father a child through a surrogate, adoption or IVF, and they are very thorough.

[James999]

UKP needs a new firewall............ the creeping  PN BB  debate  has migrated here 

If subjects discussed on other prostitution boards were stopped her by a firewall then there would be little if any content.

As for the bareback subject, of course it has been discussed before and will continue to be in the future as it is so relvant to punting, My perspective was how the situation was at first discounted as an urban myth, the reality is it is now here and quite common.

It came to my mind when there was a girl I liked the look of on AW and was disappointed to find she was a barebacker, so like it or not the subject and it's relevance are growing, if banning the discussion of it meant it stopped whores offering it then that would be cool, but all the time the whore has ££££ signs in her eyes.......

[Wife4rent]

but all the time the whore has ££££ signs in her eyes.......

Or is it the demands of punters?

[James999]

Or is it the demands of punters?

Of course not, if pro$$ies worked to punters demands they would charge £5 a pop.

Also if it was demanded by punters more "normal" pro$$ies would offer it.

[Wife4rent]

Of course not, if pro$$ies worked to punters demands they would charge £5 a pop.

Sorry, that does not make sense, there is no reason too

What makes you say ?

but all the time the whore has ££££ signs in her eyes.......

[smiths]

Or is it the demands of punters?

There is a clear demand by punters for BB but any WG with a care about their sexual health or who isnt as thick as two short planks so offers it out of sheer ignorance wouldnt offer BB which any medical professonal in a GUM will say is a risky practice. Ultimately its of course the individuals choice but that doesnt stop me believing anyone offering it and anyone wanting it within punting is a mentalist or dense.

[Cactus]

Or is it the demands of punters?

I did notice that you offer bareback after looking on your website, is this punter driven?  Do you get extra bookings because of this service or do you think it detracts more than it attracts?

Personally I think in this game that bareback is a very very very bad idea and a risk that is not worth taking

[TeenKylie]

I don't understand this constant preoccupation with bareback. It is the natural way to have sex.

Of course, it's simple common sense not to have bareback with prostitutes because they're mine, yours, his, sometimes hers, anybody's, as long as they get paid for it. That's why prostitutes have very little self-esteem.

But with a wife or a girlfriend, bareback is natural and desirable. They would react with horror if you tried to suggest using a condom since condom use is associated with prostitutes. In fact, you'd cop it, because the way a woman's suspicious mind works, she'd think that because you suggested condom that that must mean you're using prostitutes.

It's only in the prostitution world that bareback is to be avoided, in the real world, it is natural and desirable.

When were condoms mostly linked to prostitutes? Alot of WG are alot cleaner than most of the general public because we value our health alot more as we do see differnt men on a regular basis. I would never offer bb but i still get checked without fail every 3months. And not all WG's have
''low self- esteem'' because i certainly don't feel like that.

[smiths]

When were condoms mostly linked to prostitutes? Alot of WG are alot cleaner than most of the general public because we value our health alot more as we do see differnt men on a regular basis. I would never offer bb but i still get checked without fail every 3months. And not all WG's have
''low self- esteem'' because i certainly don't feel like that.

How do you know a lot of WGs are cleaner than non WGs, thats your opinion but cant be proved, its also in WGs interests to say this is the case so as to reassure some punters concerned about the matter.

In my opinion some are and some arent cleaner but each and every punt has an individual risk, only looking after your own sexual health is that risk minimized, BB just shoots the possible risks off the scale telling me those that indulge in it within punting either dont care, arent too smart or purposely infecting others.

[James999]

Strange you were a sceptic in your previous post but now say you read a recent report so already had some information to go on about the matter. If your that bothered why not talk to qualified staff at a GUM.

Because she trusts me more than those people with qualifications. 

[smiths]

Because she trusts me more than those people with qualifications. 

Indeed, i changed my post after thinking about it a bit more. Dr James does have a certain ring about it. Good link by the way.

[smiths]

Partly true, if she does CIM then swallowing is the best option to get rid of the spunk (see link above) if she spits it then to spit it involves the spunk going onto the teeth and around the gums etc, places highly likely to have cuts / portals into the body. As the article says OWO is the risk and most infections will be passed at that point, the increases in risk in swallowing are minimal (ther is never no risk in anything) and the swallowing is preferable to the spitting.

I saw a girl last year and unloaded in her mouth and I went into the bathroom and washed etc, as I came out she went in and spat the spunk in the bath ! she must have held it in her mouth for a good 2 or 3 minutes, that has to be higher risk than swallowing, and even worse than spitting straight away.

And i mentioned CIM and spit specifically in my first post about this. So its not bollocks to swallow if offering CIM, its the best thing the WG can do as some have posted in the past as i relayed earlier. Night will be day next.

[James999]

Because there can be no guarantees with sexual health, in the same way a condom is not 100% guaranteed, nor the pill 100% guaranteed.

If you follow your logic that there are no cuts or brasions in the mouth but are in the throat then swallowing a load would pass by them, but if you expand that further as the girl is sucking said organ then precum and other juices will be swallowed during the owo, and after she has spat the spunk there will be residue in her mouth and this will be swallowed with saliva.

I doubt it would be possible to provide OWO to completion and then spit and not have residue of semen / fluid contact your throat.

Would you like to try some unscientific tests?

Think of it this way,

If you lay on a Lilo in the sea for 24 hours you may get hit by a ship,
If you lay on a Lilo on a Motorway for 24 hours you may get hit by a car,

Ok both statements are true, however I would wager that in reality you would not get hit by a ship, but by the same token at night on a lilo on a motorway I'd say very likely.

BUT you can't say either as a fact as you could be unlucky wiht a ship, or your lilo could be missed by the cars, that's why the word May is included.

[Wife4rent]

Reading through al the above post it just shows that having sex is totally disgusting and carries so many germs that we should all refrain and stick to cyber sex, far safer.

To this end we should all go out and celibate with a large glass of wine and become alcoholics.....

[Mellow]

Reading through al the above post it just shows that having sex is totally disgusting and carries so many germs that we should all refrain and stick to cyber sex, far safer.

To this end we should all go out and celibate with a large glass of wine and become alcoholics.....

*rant mode on*

I'm with you wife4rent. No fucker is going to play the "holier than thou" card with me. Unlike most of the winging dross out there, making out that one would surely die of some unmentionable witherring illness, natural bareback sex is the ultimate shagging experience. I am a big enough boy to make my own decisions.

Perhaps Pro$$ienet may suit them better, where they can wallow in the adulation of togetherness.

*Rant mode off*

[TeenKylie]

*rant mode on*

I'm with you wife4rent. No fucker is going to play the "holier than thou" card with me. Unlike most of the winging dross out there, making out that one would surely die of some unmentionable witherring illness, natural bareback sex is the ultimate shagging experience. I am a big enough boy to make my own decisions.

Perhaps Pro$$ienet may suit them better, where they can wallow in the adulation of togetherness.

*Rant mode off*

LMFAO!

[Matium]

natural bareback sex is the ultimate shagging experience.

Natural bareback sex is the ultimate shagging experience with a wife or girlfriend.

If I had a wife or girlfriend, I would be upset, offended and disgusted if anyone suggested condoms.

Condom use is associated with prostitutes.

With your wife or girlfriend, it's bareback.

[TeenKylie]

Natural bareback sex is the ultimate shagging experience with a wife or girlfriend.

If I had a wife or girlfriend, I would be upset, offended and disgusted if anyone suggested condoms.

Condom use is associated with prostitutes.

With your wife or girlfriend, it's bareback.

tottally disagree! What do you think you should do on one night stands then? Go baerback? lol. Where do you get this that condom use is just associated with prostitues? I seriously don't understand. I do agree that using condoms with your boyfriend/girlfriend would not be somthing that you do though because me and my boyfriend obviously do not use them either. But condom use is not just for prossies ffs....

[Matium]

If you notice I did say wife or girlfriend so that's a long term loving relationship.

As for a one night stand, I suppose any couple involved would be too drunk to bother with condoms, it'll just be a case of a grope, a fumble, a kiss and falling off the bed till the morning.

[Cactus]

If you notice I did say wife or girlfriend so that's a long term loving relationship.

As for a one night stand, I suppose any couple involved would be too drunk to bother with condoms, it'll just be a case of a grope, a fumble, a kiss and falling off the bed till the morning.

What if you actively use escorts?  Then should you still be going bareback with your long term partner and putting them at risk?  To say that all long term partners go bareback is a little naive is it not?

[Matium]

A man who tries using condoms with his wife or girlfriend will get clobbered as her first reaction will be one of instinctive suspicion.

You can't get away from the fact that condoms are associated in the public's mind with with prostitutes and promiscuity.

[Strawberry]

Some long-term couples do use condoms for a variety of valid reasons. Sometimes the woman doesn't want to take the pill - even today's advanced versions do come with some side effects, and are contraindicated for certain women. Yes if you suddenly approach your partner out of the blue, then yes it would raise some questions. As part of planned contraception, discussed by both parties then not necessarily.

Condoms are used for one night stands more often than you realise. Quite a few individuals do not wish to create an unwanted pregnancy, or pick up an STI , will carry condoms and use them even after a few drinks or more. Yes quite surprising really but considering how much we slate those who get pregnant willy nilly, and with the supposed increase in STIs then actually very responsible.

[Tania]

A man who tries using condoms with his wife or girlfriend will get clobbered as her first reaction will be one of instinctive suspicion.

You can't get away from the fact that condoms are associated in the public's mind with with prostitutes and promiscuity.

I really do not think Joe public is going to associate condoms with prostitutes. For the average man who has never used a prostitute, and for the average women in the street, I hardly think when they hear the word condom their thoughts would immediatley turn to prostitution. You are thinking like a punter me thinks.

[Mellow]

I really do not think Joe public is going to associate condoms with prostitutes. For the average man who has never used a prostitute, and for the average women in the street, I hardly think when they hear the word condom their thoughts would immediatley turn to prostitution. You are thinking like a punter me thinks.

Lots of ppl seem to think like "punters" here. Odd that 

[Tania]

Lots of ppl seem to think like "punters" here. Odd that 

Not a good thing when you're trying to second guess the thoughts and opinions of the general 'non punting' public though, is it? 

[gari54]

I really do not think Joe public is going to associate condoms with prostitutes. For the average man who has never used a prostitute, and for the average women in the street, I hardly think when they hear the word condom their thoughts would immediatley turn to prostitution. You are thinking like a punter me thinks.

Exactly wow this industry must be bigger than I thought since there are millions of condoms sold every week.
I can just imagine the women behind the counter at every pharmacy thinking "Dirty Bastard" at every man who buys a pack. Or "whore" to every woman who does.
I'd guess that prossies only account for about 1% of all condoms sold.

[Cactus]

A man who tries using condoms with his wife or girlfriend will get clobbered as her first reaction will be one of instinctive suspicion.

You can't get away from the fact that condoms are associated in the public's mind with with prostitutes and promiscuity.

Are you serious?  What sort of women do you date?  Ones that are instantly suspicious if you try to use a condom!

What if the woman can't/won't go on the pill for whatever reason and they don't want to run the risk of pregnancy?  Lets just take our chances or just use a condom.  Hell they aren't that big a deal in my book, I really don't mind using them too much.

And as for your dillusional quote about condoms and prostitutes being linked.......get real.  As Gary says there are millions of condoms sold and I would wager that only a small percentage is by prostitutes!

[James999]

What if the woman can't/won't go on the pill for whatever reason and they don't want to run the risk of pregnancy? 

Fuck her in the Ass

[spidergag]

bareback no no no no no no no no

[SteveNova]

I wonder how many WGs who say they offer BB actually do, or in the case of Eastern European girls (many of whom say they do on AW) whether they just tick boxes without understanding what it means.  It just seems such an obvious no no to me that I would be interested in the reasoning of anyone who indulged (assuming they were not in a long term relationship).  A belief that the world was going to end in the next year may be a good reason but I can't think of another.

[James999]

I wonder how many WGs who say they offer BB actually do, or in the case of Eastern European girls (many of whom say they do on AW)

I avoiud BB, but most EE girls do tend to offer all of the services they list and often at very reasonable prices, UK Pro$$ies will want you to believe that a fit 19 year old EE girl is not going to do full service inc owo & cim for £50 but the facts is that they do, and a 2 girl for £70 is possible.

[Steve2]

UK Pro$$ies will want you to believe that a fit 19 year old EE girl is not going to do full service inc owo & cim for £50 but the facts is that they do, and a 2 girl for £70 is possible.

So do most of the "punters" on here, but as we know, they are out there

[TheDonkeyWork]

What a warped vote....

"#  She is probably infected allready
# She is a Junkie or being pimped
# She is mentally unstable
# All of the above"

Where are the options allowing you to choose something that suggests she is neither unstable, infected or pimped and just prefers it bareback - or - is feeling the pinch and needs to offer it to carve out a living against all the other dross out there.

I know that there are a lot of girls who ARE running a risk but dont fall into those categories thus far offered.

I'd say that in some cases - yes, I would say she might fit one or all of those categories, but a lot of the time - know - I dont think that, I think she is (in most cases) just desperate for some market share so is being up front about something that a LOT of girls are doing (and have been doing for a long time) on the quiet away from the madding crowd that is baying for blood...

Terrible twisted vote.

[Mellow]

What a warped vote....

"#  She is probably infected allready
# She is a Junkie or being pimped
# She is mentally unstable
# All of the above"

Where are the options allowing you to choose something that suggests she is neither unstable, infected or pimped and just prefers it bareback - or - is feeling the pinch and needs to offer it to carve out a living against all the other dross out there.

I know that there are a lot of girls who ARE running a risk but dont fall into those categories thus far offered.

I'd say that in some cases - yes, I would say she might fit one or all of those categories, but a lot of the time - know - I dont think that, I think she is (in most cases) just desperate for some market share so is being up front about something that a LOT of girls are doing (and have been doing for a long time) on the quiet away from the madding crowd that is baying for blood...

Terrible twisted vote.

What surprised me was that the mods didn't wipe this shite out the moment this daft poll was mooted. Is it any wonder why the input from new posters is drying up.

[SteveNova]

It's why I commented but haven't voted

[NIK]

What surprised me was that the mods didn't wipe this shite out the moment this daft poll was mooted. Is it any wonder why the input from new posters is drying up.

Well at least we're still getting your input so UKP can't be all bad. 

[workinallweek]

surely polls or indeed forums if you dont like the subject or the coments dont read them

[Mellow]

surely polls or indeed forums if you dont like the subject or the coments dont read them

That's exactly what I meant. I don't mind posting stuff in silly threads, but newbie posters do mind and won't post.

[axejacks]

are we talking bout prostitutes only here, cause women love bareback my gf tells me this all the time more feeling, and i think it would be a turn on for a guy to cum inside her and it to ooze out, and my gf is totally clean

[workinallweek]

I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BB WITH A WORKING GIRL 

[Matium]

are we talking bout prostitutes only here, cause women love bareback my gf tells me this all the time more feeling, and i think it would be a turn on for a guy to cum inside her and it to ooze out, and my gf is totally clean

Bareback with your wife or girlfriend is acceptable, bareback with a prostitute is not.

[Wife4rent]

Bareback with your wife or girlfriend is acceptable, bareback with a prostitute is not.

And there be the truth.....

Although, general consensus would probably deem the truth to be:

"Sex with your wife or girlfriend is acceptable, sex with a prostitute is not."

But who are we to judge? And did we not have a poll on this who would and who would go bareback and who would not? How did that go?

Bareback has always been a taboo subject on forums with only a very few people shouting the loudest

[smiths]

And there be the truth.....

Although, general consensus would probably deem the truth to be:

"Sex with your wife or girlfriend is acceptable, sex with a prostitute is not."

But who are we to judge? And did we not have a poll on this who would and who would go bareback and who would not? How did that go?

Bareback has always been a taboo subject on forums with only a very few people shouting the loudest

On this thread of the small number that voted just over 59% said all of the above.

Overall society no doubt generally believes WGs are streetwalking junkie scum and punters perverts and weirdos, what WGs who offer BB and punters who seek BB in punting are thought of is along the lines of dirty disgusting skanks would be my guess.

[Mellow]

On this thread of the small number that voted just over 59% said all of the above.

Overall society no doubt generally believes WGs are streetwalking junkie scum and punters perverts and weirdos, what WGs who offer BB and punters who seek BB in punting are thought of is along the lines of dirty disgusting skanks would be my guess.

On the other thread, the one with the realistic poll options, over 30% of a similarly small response suggested that they would do BB sex with a prostitute.

[softlad]

Bareback has always been a taboo subject on forums with only a very few people shouting the loudest

Whatever the individuals stance on BB, there is no getting away from the fact it is getting more and more common,
just look how many profiles are now offering it.
I am of the generation whose teenage year fell in the 80's where we all had AIDs rammed down our throats, so to me there will always be a taboo associated with BB,
the generation after me don't seem to have the same outlook.

[James999]

But who are we to judge?

When humans are born they are given brains, it is with these brains that decisions should be made, that's right, what's wrong, what's safe what's dangerous etc. You can call it "judging" if you like but that's just an attempt to move the debate.

Barebacking a pro$$ie is wrong as the risks are very high, in the same way when you see the train coming and the level crossing is down jumping over the gate and running accross in front of the train is very high risk, both offer high risk for little benefit, and a sane person would not take the risk. However in the desperate clammer for the £££ some pro$$ies take the risk. 

[softlad]

When humans are born they are given brains, it is with these brains that decisions should be made,

Perhaps that's it !
It depends where your brain is located, as to how you use it. 

[Geetaw1]

I am wary of it, but did try to BB a prossie during one meeting because her cunt was glisteningly wet. If she hadn't have stopped me I would have spent the next however long worrying about catching the Big One.

I must admit, I sometimes suspect the whore already has something if she offers BB. But there is one infamous BB provider who shot porn who would have had to provide certificates so things aren't always as clear cut.

[James999]

Perhaps that's it !
It depends where your brain is located, as to how you use it. 

you mean

Punter = Brain in cock
Pro$$ie = Brain in wallet