Adultwork insisting SPs post full face images or risk deactivation!

[Thepacifist]

I prefer to see a profile with face pictures but I understand why escorts don’t want to do that for discretion and privacy reasons. Sometimes we have to take a punt based on their body photos and profile. I think AW will get backlash and reverse this decision. It would be a shame to see a lot of SPs leave because of this.

[RandomGuy99]

I prefer to see a profile with face pictures but I understand why escorts don’t want to do that for discretion and privacy reasons. Sometimes we have to take a punt based on their body photos and profile. I think AW will get backlash and reverse this decision. It would be a shame to see a lot of SPs leave because of this.

I think everyone would prefer to see a face photo, but I think we all realise that discretion is a major part of escorting both as a SS and SP.

I don't really expect for every SP to have a face photo out there in public. I don't require it. I make my selection based on body, list of services, location, price, how they come across in their profile and messages (some come across as being very business like in their profile and are totally different in person), availability and reputation. An SP doesn't have to be "a 10" physically to deliver a great or good service. I think all this scoring business is wrong. A 10 to me may be a 6 to you. We all like different things so don't scoring people.

[finn5555]

I prefer to see a profile with face pictures but I understand why escorts don’t want to do that for discretion and privacy reasons.

I would rather see a face photo on profiles saves asking for one, but also have no issues when an escort says she wont send one  I then decide if I want to go ahead or not.

I also get why many wouldn't be comfortable having their faces on public display.

[RandomGuy99]

I would rather see a face photo on profiles saves asking for one, but also have no issues when an escort says she wont send one  I then decide if I want to go ahead or not.

I also get why many wouldn't be comfortable having their faces on public display.

I never ask an SP for a face photo. I'd expect them to say no for discretion reasons and I respect that.

If an SP asks me for a face photo I don't book them as I don't want them having a photo of my face that they could use for bad reasons later. 

Discretion is key.

[finn5555]

I never ask an SP for a face photo.

I do and most are happy to provide one.

Of course everyone is different.

[Colston36]

I do and most are happy to provide one.

Of course everyone is different.

Now that you mention it I realise I never give much thought to the face. Mind you if as I plan they're sitting on mine it's irrelevant.

[JustaPunter]

Non UK nationals having to upload a face pic has been like that for years, it's nothing new.

It's their site so their rules.

The change is it isn’t just non UK Nationals.

It’s anybody that wasn’t originally born in the UK, even if they now have a British Passport.

[PilotMan]

The change is it isn’t just non UK Nationals.

It’s anybody that wasn’t originally born in the UK, even if they now have a British Passport.

How would AW know that information?

[SheC]

Once you are non uk born after certain years living in uk you can apply for British passport ( when that happens you need to provide the passport holder of the country you are born in and that is automatically added to your British passport aka place / country of origin.)

That’s how aw admin team knows

[Bat]

How would AW know that information?

I spoke to a Brazilian this morning who has a full British passport that she had to show as part of her verification process. She had to confirm place of birth so AW classify her as Brazilian, technically this is correct of course.

[JustaPunter]

How would AW know that information?

Because they have to upload their passport as a verification document.

[bops909]

Aw new requirements are in place from 23/06.

They make non British ladies post a non blurry picture of their face on their profile , that has nothing to do with verification process.
I did upload my verification documents today and my account was deactivated with the explanation my face is non visible on my profile picture ( either 1,2,3 ).
So yes you can be verified as many times they decide it’s appropriate but what’s inappropriate is to make non uk citizens ( with legal rights to live and work in uk ) reveal their faces.

These are two different matters according to my correspondence with aw from 9am this morning throughout the day.

I do feel for the genuine non-UK ladies, who have had genuine profiles for a while, but who chose not to show their faces (the same way most UK ladies choose) who are now having to show their faces, with all the risks and inconveniences that brings them.

It looks like AW are struggling to keep up with the work created by the new rule.

There are profiles that have been reported as suspect, which also break this new rule about a face pic if you are non-UK citizen, which are still active.

Few examples :

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And this one showed a face for a few days but now just shows part of a face

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On the other hand some profile owners of suspect profiles are definitely taking notice.

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I don't think the rule change is going to be a "silver bullet" solution and clean out all the fakes, not without a lot of work by AW.

[bops909]

And here is the profile image chosen by a non-UK WG I just found.



Someone with a sense of humour or testing AW maybe ?



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[scutty brown]

In the past AW have had enough problems just keeping up with the verification photos, without this extra work.

A couple of examples they let through in Blackpool:

1) A Romanian girl who couldn't get verified using her own photos and ID, but she did using the passport of the bearded chinese bloke next door

2) Pimp Kevin Garfoot once got one of his girls accounts verified using a photo of himself - a 60+ year old bloke with a grey beard

[Blackpool Rock]

In the past AW have had enough problems just keeping up with the verification photos, without this extra work.

A couple of examples they let through in Blackpool:

1) A Romanian girl who couldn't get verified using her own photos and ID, but she did using the passport of the bearded chinese bloke next door

2) Pimp Kevin Garfoot once got one of his girls accounts verified using a photo of himself - a 60+ year old bloke with a grey beard

Yeah and thankfully it was captured on the veri pics thread when they were allowed to be posted, it was useful in that someone was able to confirm he was the twat who tried to rob him

[Silversurfer]

Excellent Chinese-British girl I’ve visited a few times had her account deleted as she refused to put her face on public. Like someone said they seem to be struggling with the extra workload, seen lots of distorted face pics popping up on foreign girls profiles  so what’s the point?

Guess the logic is you can’t be trafficked to the UK if you’re born in the UK, so posting a face pic proves to punters the account isn’t being used by a brothel for multiple different girls trafficked into the country. Dunno realistically it dunt even work or solve much does it

[Blackpool Rock]

Logically I would have thought a girl would put a face pic up until the account is approved and then change the pic so it wasn't showing a face, AW probably won't keep tracking it due to workload so once you have been seen to comply you can probably get away with it

[Al R]

Logically I would have thought a girl would put a face pic up until the account is approved and then change the pic so it wasn't showing a face, AW probably won't keep tracking it due to workload so once you have been seen to comply you can probably get away with it

They’re locking the pic to the profile so it can’t be changed apparently.

[Jonestown]

A quick search this morning showed that in the London area there are 98 Chinese girls listed of which only about 20 are not showing someones full face photo, of which about 10 are set to distribute content only and probably due for the chop anytime now.

I'm surprised how high the compliance appears to be.

Im pleased to note that as of this morning the number of entries has gone up to 100, with one new profile and presumably one girl moved into the area, keep up the good work girls.

[Bat]

They’re locking the pic to the profile so it can’t be changed apparently.

Yes, this is correct. The face pic is placed in position 1 and locked so it can’t be removed or even placed in position 2 or 3.

This means that it’s the main image for the SP and shows clearly in any search she might appear in.

[Blackpool Rock]

Yes, this is correct. The face pic is placed in position 1 and locked so it can’t be removed or even placed in position 2 or 3.

This means that it’s the main image for the SP and shows clearly in any search she might appear in.

Surely they would be better to just place the Veri pic in position 1 or make it viewable 
Seems that yet again AW are making things harder than they need to be 

[Bat]

I met an SP this week (purely social meet) who has been in the UK for more than 10 years and has a, post-Brexit, permit to remain in the UK and full work permit etc.

She was told her profile did not meet new ‘visible face’ regulations mid morning and her profile was re-classified as a ‘content provider’ only. It still worked on the mobile app as an SP for a while.

She appealed against the decision and was told there was no possible appeal and that she had to upload a full face picture to her profile. Whilst deciding what to do, her profile was deactivated completely.

Within a few more hours it was deactivated permanently and she lost all access. All content was inaccessible, years of 100% feedback lost etc etc.

All of this in a single day.

[big-al93]

Of course, all these profiles being deleted, a good proportion will have credits in the account which will then be lost. Apparently really difficult to withdraw as cash, without the added complcation of a deleted account.

[RandomGuy99]

I met an SP this week (purely social meet) who has been in the UK for more than 10 years and has a, post-Brexit, permit to remain in the UK and full work permit etc.

She was told her profile did not meet new ‘visible face’ regulations mid morning and her profile was re-classified as a ‘content provider’ only. It still worked on the mobile app as an SP for a while.

She appealed against the decision and was told there was no possible appeal and that she had to upload a full face picture to her profile. Whilst deciding what to do, her profile was deactivated completely.

Within a few more hours it was deactivated permanently and she lost all access. All content was inaccessible, years of 100% feedback lost etc etc.

All of this in a single day.

Have they explain to anyone why they require this photo to be displayed?

Is it anti-trafficking legal compliance or something they've just decided out of the blue?

[boardyhell]

I would like to think aw will waive this for old longstanding service providers

[scutty brown]

I would like to think aw will waive this for old longstanding service providers

Not a hope in hell. They're trying to not get caught up in any antitrafficking legislation that's coming, there won't be any exceptions.
They're trying to avoid the same scrutiny that VS are under in parliament

[nightbot]

Why do they need the photo to be displayed in public, isn't verification enough?
Or is their reasoning that if the photo is displayed then people can't do bait & switch, which traffickers may do? And it's not like the girls who are indeed being trafficked can stop their pictures form being uploaded, so not sure what this achieves. They may be getting some sort of political pressure I think.

I noticed that one of the long standing well reviewed Czech girl from Northwest just had her profile affected by this.

A bit silly to do this now, considering UK is not in the EU anymore and you need to have a visa/permit to be here and that's not handed out to just anyone (unless you are here on a tourist E-visa/ESTA in which case they can ask those to have their photos on as a compromise if they really must).

[Strawberry]

Not a hope in hell. They're trying to not get caught up in any antitrafficking legislation that's coming, there won't be any exceptions.
They're trying to avoid the same scrutiny that VS are under in parliament

This is what I've been thinking, and the online safety bill has it's final reading tomorrow.

[Munter84]

This has parallels to my previous stint in retail banking.

Account holders demanded swifter and more decisive action when they fell victim to scams; they expected full reimbursement in the case of regretting a bank transfer; they expected their identities to be more secure and less vulnerable to impersonation fraud; and what are those immoral fat-cat bankers doing about the banking system being used to fund terrorism? Under pressure, banking practices changed, some as a result of passed legislation, some pre-empting future legislaion given the changing wind of public opinion. Of course, all the customers were delighted by this, right? Of course not, they were bloody furious. "Why do I need ID to make a deposit! Why are you asking me all these intrusive questions! Why do you need to know the source of funds, or the purpose of my payment! Why's my transfer been delayed? I'm a grown adult and I just want you to handle MY money as instructed! This is Orwellian!"

Anyway, I digress. Seems to me something similar is happening at AW. The bogeyman of modern slavery and trafficking has been bandied around enough for AW to be under pressure to tighten their practices, they take decisive steps to do so, and when it turns out that people are inconvenienced by the rules becoming more stringent, everyone is upset.

I don't have a solution of course, but it's a trusim that you often have to choose between security and freedom.

[Munter84]

Why do they need the photo to be displayed in public, isn't verification enough?

It shifts the onus of matching the verification pic to the SP that opens the door; from AW's court to the punters'.

[pbrown355]

Of course the first group of whingers are not necessarily the same people as the second group.

[Vic69]

It seems AW have just rethought this new rule about face pictures on the profile page for non British born SP.

[Blackpool Rock]

It seems AW have just rethought this new rule about face pictures on the profile page for non British born SP.

But not after culling god knows how many profiles 
The question is will they now contact the owners of the culled profiles and tell them they are allowed back on and can the original profile be resurrected or do they have to start again 

This is exactly the sort of crap I see at work time and time again when someone makes a stupid policy or decision and it's patently obvious what's going to happen but try telling them and they won't listen and you get accused of being Negative 
Then after the event all goes tits up point out you told them and they either deny that you did or you get accused of helping it fail as you "Weren't on board"

Think we all know why AW will have reversed their decision, must have seen revenue drop 

[sim0256]

Surely if the various sites 'verify' SP's photos they could include a  full face shot in their checks and confirm this as done ,to the punters ,by way of showing on the profile 'Full face photos verified. Showing the photo on the profile would not be necessary.

 For those who believe face or body photos could be forged there will be no 100% proof they will accept.
 Face shots of non UK (or indeed UK ) SP's could be confirmed by way of Passport or Driving licence .

 Anyhow any new registration could, in theory, use another persons ID from the outset.

So is total proof ever really possible without girl presenting themselves at sites office. Hardly practical.

[Vic69]

But not after culling god knows how many profiles 
The question is will they now contact the owners of the culled profiles and tell them they are allowed back on and can the original profile be resurrected or do they have to start again 

This is exactly the sort of crap I see at work time and time again when someone makes a stupid policy or decision and it's patently obvious what's going to happen but try telling them and they won't listen and you get accused of being Negative 
Then after the event all goes tits up point out you told them and they either deny that you did or you get accused of helping it fail as you "Weren't on board"

Think we all know why AW will have reversed their decision, must have seen revenue drop 

Exactly! I hope the SP's that have had their profiles removed, get their old profile and feedback back, and not have to start again.

[scutty brown]

Surely if the various sites 'verify' SP's photos they could include a  full face shot in their checks and confirm this as done ,to the punters ,by way of showing on the profile 'Full face photos verified. Showing the photo on the profile would not be necessary.

That IS how verification is carried out. But they think it's not enough - it's easy to fiddle

[Bat]

It seems AW have just rethought this new rule about face pictures on the profile page for non British born SP.

Is this change in policy visible on AW somewhere?

[big-al93]

Exactly! I hope the SP's that have had their profiles removed, get their old profile and feedback back, and not have to start again.

Along with all their credits being reinstated.

[Bat]

I've received comms from AW saying that they have removed the restriction on showing a face on a profile page. It also says that previous accounts can be re-verified.

No idea how long this might take and/or whether some profiles may have been deleted permanently.

There is a stipulation that nationality must be stated on a profile and, if I'm reading it correctly, must be proven. I assume this will stop those people from posting fake nationalities.

[chatbite]

I can see why this whole debacle was a nightmare and pretty distressing for SP's, but from a punters perspective I was actually glad to be able to see so many full face pictures. For a lot of girls their face is a massive selling point but I totally understand why they want to hide it.

If it goes back to the old way I don't particularly mind but it just means I might walk from time to time whereas an accurate face picture makes that very unlikely. The only thing I'd say is that it should have been for everyone not just non-British SP's.

[Lou2019]

I've received comms from AW saying that they have removed the restriction on showing a face on a profile page. It also says that previous accounts can be re-verified.

No idea how long this might take and/or whether some profiles may have been deleted permanently.

There is a stipulation that nationality must be stated on a profile and, if I'm reading it correctly, must be proven. I assume this will stop those people from posting fake nationalities.

This doesn’t appear to be the case from some SPs I know of? why have you received the comms not SPs? screenshot evidence

[finn5555]

This doesn’t appear to be the case from some SPs I know of? why have you received the comms not SPs? screenshot evidence

He probably was told by his WG  friend he keeps banging on about 😂

[daviemac]

This doesn’t appear to be the case from some SPs I know of? why have you received the comms not SPs? screenshot evidence

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Hello
 
We value each member on our site and we understand the privacy and security concerns you may have surrounding the new rule. As a result, we will no longer impose that you show your face on your profile page. We will continue to search for other ways to combat the risk to the integrity of our community generated by fake profiles.
 
Please make sure that the pictures you upload, if you want to continue your membership on AdultWork.com are in line with Terms of Service Agreement.
 
“Member photos and movie uploads must feature the member, have been filmed by the member, and/or legally belong to the member. Members are not permitted to upload any content that has been obtained from other sources or that has been purchased or licensed from, by or through a third party.”
 
Once you upload these pictures on your profile page, your account will be re-verified.
 
 
AdultWork.com defines members nationalities by their place of birth. Whilst citizenship may change over time, the nationality is unique and is reflected accordingly on your profile.
 
Therefore your nationality, ******** is correct and will be stated in your profile.
 
The Site has provided an article on the subject.
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Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Regards,
The AdultWork.com Team

[Lou2019]

Thank you DM glad they saw sense

[Bat]

He probably was told by his WG  friend he keeps banging on about 😂

Nope, I received notification direct from AW following an ongoing legal discussion with them via their 'human response' request form. Virtually identical to the note Davie refers to above but with some changes because I'm not registered as an SP.

[Lou2019]

Nope, I received notification direct from AW following an ongoing legal discussion with them via their 'human response' request form. Virtually identical to the note Davie refers to above but with some changes because I'm not registered as an SP.

are implying you are implicit in AW overturning there decision following your “legal discussion”   

[daviemac]

Thank you DM glad they saw sense

Hopefully it applies to everyone and not just the person the email was addressed to. 

[Bat]

are implying you are implicit in AW overturning there decision following your “legal discussion”   

No idea why you'd think that.

I do have extensive experience of EU discriminatory legal policies (as I work out of the EU on a pan-global basis and am, at times, involved in work permits and visas) which may, or may not, apply to a business with a registered office in Nicosia. I certainly referred them to various contraventions but I'd imagine they wouldn't take a huge amount of notice of a random punter 

[contentguy]

No idea why you'd think that.

I do have extensive experience of EU discriminatory legal policies (as I work out of the EU on a pan-global basis and am, at times, involved in work permits and visas) which may, or may not, apply to a business with a registered office in Nicosia. I certainly referred them to various contraventions but I'd imagine they wouldn't take a huge amount of notice of a random punter 

Random Punter?  Didn't you tell them you're Bat Man   

[Rose_128]

No they must have scrapped it. Yesterday when I looked their terms and conditions were updated on 24th August stating the new policy.

Today the terms and conditions have been updated again and they removed it.