Does BB sex feel better than condom sex for females?

[scutty brown]

Yes, I should imagine the 'quality' of your immune system must play some part, and that will surely be affected by overall living standards.

I wonder whether there are any subtle differences in Black and White immune systems in any case, at a genetic level? In a way that would make sense because various races around the world have developed separately over 10,000s of years, a case in point is when Europeans first arrived and settled in the Americas, and wiped out a large part of the indigenous population with their strange European diseases which they had no natural defence against (apart from all the other shit 'we' have inflicted upon them). Whether that is a factor here I have no idea.

There are differences but maybe not in the way you expect.........
for instance black slaves were needed in the Americas because the locals had been wiped out, but also because they showed better resistance to endemic diseases like malaria than white workers did. For instance the death rates among the Irish that Cromwell shipped out as plantation slaves to the Caribbean was quite appalling. At one stage there was an attempt to breed disease resistant but "white intelligent" slaves by forcibly mating african men to irish women.........
If anything blacks should have a stronger immune system than whites due to the greater historical disease exposure, but thats to no avail if you're rendered unhealthy by poor food and squalid living conditions reducing the actual immune system response

But as ever things aren't clear cut...........its now been established that at least some important parts of the immune system in Europeans is actually inherited from the Neanderthals our ancestors bred with (so is red hair but thats another story)

[winkywanky]

There are differences but maybe not in the way you expect.........
for instance black slaves were needed in the Americas because the locals had been wiped out, but also because they showed better resistance to endemic diseases like malaria than white workers did. For instance the death rates among the Irish that Cromwell shipped out as plantation slaves to the Caribbean was quite appalling. At one stage there was an attempt to breed disease resistant but "white intelligent" slaves by forcibly mating african men to irish women.........
If anything blacks should have a stronger immune system than whites due to the greater historical disease exposure, but thats to no avail if you're rendered unhealthy by poor food and squalid living conditions reducing the actual immune system response

But as ever things aren't clear cut...........its now been established that at least some important parts of the immune system in Europeans is actually inherited from the Neanderthals our ancestors bred with (so is red hair but thats another story)

I've often wondered about my monobrow and deep-set eyes, and my thuggish stoop....

[Happylad]

I've often wondered about my monobrow and deep-set eyes, and my thuggish stoop....

Don`t worry, that`s simply your two split personalities squaring up belligerently to each other.

[winkywanky]

Well there's also a fight going on between the devil on my left shoulder, and my guardian angel on the right  .

I certainly am a conflicted individual  .

[Happylad]

Well there's also a fight going on between the devil on my left shoulder, and my guardian angel on the right  .

I certainly am a conflicted individual  .

Sounds as though there`s a Hamlet style soliloquy in the offing

[tynetunnel]

I did just that, and, to be honest, I then sat back and waited for the howls of abuse and (metaphorically speaking) the arrival of the lynch mob, instead of which I rather get the feeling that quite a number have already sampled the illicit pleasures of bb and would be delighted to indulge in it more, and others who haven`t would probably like to give it a try, if only they could be guaranteed that (a) they were in absolutely no danger whatever of catching anything nasty, and (b) it wouldn`t result in a nasty paternity case in the courts.

As one young lady I knew always termed it - `au naturel`

I think you may well be right Happylad. There can’t be many blokes or girls who ‘prefer’ condoms. It’s pretty much a matter of risk/reward. I do get tested every so often, via postal testing kits. I certainly wouldn’t entertain the idea of bb with a WG however my current SB regular explained that she’d been tested recently, has an implant for contraceptive purposes, and that she prefers to have sex without condoms....

[EnglishRebecca121]

Yes bb sex feel better. Am i going to do it with clients/ dating scene. er no never

[myothernameis]

I did just that, and, to be honest, I then sat back and waited for the howls of abuse and (metaphorically speaking) the arrival of the lynch mob,

It takes a brave person to admit, at one time they have had unprotected sex with a working girl, and admit there failings

But to often your able to hide behind a synonym and make allegations about escorts, on what they might have been doing

Growing up, your bound to make mistakes, and think this is great, so I will continue, but as you get older, you become more aware of the dangers, and think was I that reckless in my youth

[Happylad]

Growing up, your bound to make mistakes, and think this is great, so I will continue, but as you get older, you become more aware of the dangers, and think was I that reckless in my youth

Well, I think the likelihood of my growing much older is somewhat unlikely, and I certainly won`t regret a minute of my `au naturel` encounters during what future I have to contemplate them.

But thank you for your concern.

[Peterbry]

Yes bb sex feel better. Am i going to do it with clients/ dating scene. er no never

BB feels better for me, I like feeling the wetness. Never done it with a working girl though, and never would.

Rebecca, I'd be intrigued to know from a woman's point of view what feels better with BB compared to covered?

[Rochelle]

I've never been offered BB by an escort. While there are some secret barebackers, I doubt it's anywhere near as widespread as people think.

I beg to differ, I've seen too many bids on RBs looking for bareback.

[EnglishRebecca121]

BB feels better for me, I like feeling the wetness. Never done it with a working girl though, and never would.

Rebecca, I'd be intrigued to know from a woman's point of view what feels better with BB compared to covered?

THE fact there isnt a rubber bag inside me!! feels completly different !

[myothernameis]

I beg to differ, I've seen too many bids on RBs looking for bareback.

When I have used the Reverse Bids, I usually detail what I'm looking for, and you get the usual bids, from escorts who stay 200 miles away, but then there the local escorts.  Bareback not on there profile, but infer bare back is on offer, for an extra £100

[Hongkongphooeysucks]

Post the question on the saafe site and see what type of response you get.

[Rochelle]

When I have used the Reverse Bids, I usually detail what I'm looking for, and you get the usual bids, from escorts who stay 200 miles away, but then there the local escorts.  Bareback not on there profile, but infer bare back is on offer, for an extra £100

There are also the sneaky guys who don't mention it in the booking details, but once you've made a bid, they send an adultwork message requesting it.

[Strokemeplease]

One lady told me that she prefers bareback because a johnny smooths over the veins and the ridge of the cock where the bell end joins the main shaft. Another told me that she likes the feeling of a trickle of spunk, this might come hours after the fuck and give her a pleasant reminder.

[Colston36]

Its more to do with living  standards
Low standard way of life (and Black Africa is among the lowest on the low) means poor healthcare, poor nutrition from birth, more general disease and suppressed immune systems.
Couple that with survival-level prostitution especially along arterial transport routes (high turnover, bareback) and common use of shared needles for drug abuse and you have a perfect storm of combined high risk factors.
Don't forget HIV is a disease of opportunity: it often needs another disease to weaken the victim first before it can attack. For instance in the earliest Californian reports the casualties were often showing symptoms of syphilis as well - would would immune suppress, and also cause anal lesions in gay men

Many years ago I had a long conversation with the Vice-Chancellor of an African university, who was very concerned about the high rates of VD among the population. He told me it was caused in part by a tradition whereby young girls were first deflowered by older men, and in part by the way in which many young men went to South Africa to work in the mines, where there was a high incidence of homosexuality.

[Ali Katt]

THE fact there isnt a rubber bag inside me!! feels completly different !

I've had girlfriends who like the sensations of being filled with cum.

[Kelgon85]

I was actually talking about this recently with a SP. We were just having a general conversation about her job, and she was going on about how she can't believe some escorts still offer BB, yada yada. Then she said she will only ever do it with a punter wearing a condom, and that "I don't care, because it makes no difference to me. Feels exactly the same". Pretty sure those were her exact words. I would suspect, although I could be wrong, that men are really the only party who actually feel any physical difference, and with women it’s more mental. As I said, could be wrong, though.   

[fallentrees1321]

The two civvie partners I have BB with have both said it feels better , and both seemed to enjoy sex more BB . I actually remember with one she changed contraceptive from the injection to the implant so we had to use condoms for a week or so and she said she noticed the difference straight away . One big benefit of not needing condoms is spontaneity .

As for WG'S , Ive never had sex BB with a WG , and its not something intend to do . Same with random meets off tinder or other dating sites , ive had a few encounters off these that have been suggesting we have sex bb even though we have just met . Yes it feels massively better in the moment , but I reckon the worry afterwards wouldn't be worth it .

As for BB being offered by WG's , I think anyone that has had any decent number of punts will have been in sketchy situations when it is either offered or implied , but by the same token not every punter with every girl who advertises BB is actually seeing them BB . Yes it is prudent to avoid , but I remember when I was fairly new to punting and switched from parlours to AW , i inadvertently punted with a girl who had BB on her likes list , I had yet to access this website and become aware of the wisdom contained within and did not carry out full checks on the profile . Obviously afterwards when I found this website and realised what I had done I felt like a turnip but I was and still am clean .

[cotton]

After 50 years of a very happy and sexually very active marriage I can assure the OP that one woman at least (and I assume that both WGs and other females would have the same sensory organs) couldn`t wait to get rid of the condoms as soon as the honeymoon was over and take other means of contraception. She always insisted that bare flesh was twice as good as anything with a rubber glove on and with her ministrations I had no inclination whatever to sample any elsewhere.

Some years after she died I had a prostate operation, which left me fully able to have orgasm but not to produce any cum; two regulars that I told about it each promptly said that in that case they would like to do bb  (as one said "All the fun of a fuck and no mess in the vagina") - I took a chance with each, and regular GUM tests have confirmed that my trust in each case was justified (and neither got pregnant).  Both told me that bb was simply far better than anything with a Johnny on, and as far as I`m concerned there simply isn`t any comparison.

The second of the two regulars (who isn`t really a WG at all, but simply `did` for me for pocket money) is still waiting in the wings to service me  again with bb once I get enough energy back.

Having said all of that, I must state that in the case of each girl I knew sufficient about each beforehand to believe the risk was minimal/

Theres an arguement for saying the risk is minimal anyway , even if its a complete stranger who you know nothing about , lets imagine worst case scenario , chik is hiv+ and not taking suppresants meds which would render her non contagious. Doc can correct me if im wrong but presuming your otherwise healthy and not immuno comprimised or doing anything especially risky like unprotected anal or injecting heroin , the risk with unprotected vaginal sex is minimal anyway.
Everyones assesment of risk will vary - if your young, maybe with a cute gf it woudnt be worth risking however seemingly minimal the risk is , if your older with no strings it might be worth taking the risk.

[20jay]

Permanent risk warnings and patronizing are not my cuppa tea . The people are old enough, possible risks are well known (google is your friend or ask your doctor).
People who want to instruct others with their forefingers raised should instead of visit prostitutes stay at home with their wife or GF ... there is nothing more to say.

[bushman]

In long term relationships, with trust etc. condom free sex is bliss.

[20jay]

In long term relationships, with trust etc. condom free sex is bliss.

Agree ....

[20jay]

...----..... She then fucks up putting it on you so you have to take over. By then I'm beginning to lose interest.

..by the way nothing worse than a BJ with condom 

[Doc Holliday]

Theres an arguement for saying the risk is minimal anyway , even if its a complete stranger who you know nothing about , lets imagine worst case scenario , chik is hiv+ and not taking suppresants meds which would render her non contagious. Doc can correct me if im wrong but presuming your otherwise healthy and not immuno comprimised or doing anything especially risky like unprotected anal or injecting heroin , the risk with unprotected vaginal sex is minimal anyway.
Everyones assesment of risk will vary - if your young, maybe with a cute gf it woudnt be worth risking however seemingly minimal the risk is , if your older with no strings it might be worth taking the risk.

That's very brave of you to stick your head above the parapet. 

The scenario you describe and assuming those exact factors in place, the risk with vaginal sex would probably be rated low to moderate but it does exist and would still be a lottery. You may get away with it repeated times with that person or you could succumb from one contact.

However as you have hinted the chances of you encountering such an 'undiagnosed' individual in the first place are extremely remote. If we take an estimate of say 7000 such people, approximately half of those will likely be MSM so that leaves say 3500 which the split is likely to be less than half of those female?

You could of course still win the lottery 

[fallentrees1321]

Theres an arguement for saying the risk is minimal anyway , even if its a complete stranger who you know nothing about , lets imagine worst case scenario , chik is hiv+ and not taking suppresants meds which would render her non contagious. Doc can correct me if im wrong but presuming your otherwise healthy and not immuno comprimised or doing anything especially risky like unprotected anal or injecting heroin , the risk with unprotected vaginal sex is minimal anyway.
Everyones assesment of risk will vary - if your young, maybe with a cute gf it woudnt be worth risking however seemingly minimal the risk is , if your older with no strings it might be worth taking the risk.

Of course the risk is not just HIV . If you are young or have a lot to lose from being caught having sex with other women (punts or otherwise) then contracting any STI is going to be difficult to explain . And there are plenty out there more contagious than HIV .

Although granted long term with most STI's you wont have any lasting health effects after a dose of antibiotics .

[Doc Holliday]

Of course the risk is not just HIV . If you are young or have a lot to lose from being caught having sex with other women (punts or otherwise) then contracting any STI is going to be difficult to explain . And there are plenty out there more contagious than HIV .

+1 ... especially chlamydia which is very contagious (circa 40% transmission rate from an infected individual) and that is why you should always use a condom, but the stigma on punting forums is mostly about HIV and "why would you put your life at risk" etc. Within life's overall death risks it currently doesn't hold much validity.

[DeanoDeano]

Simple answer - yes of course. Condoms dry girls out and don’t feel natural to them either.

[Mr_Shins]

Some men on here are married or have been married (like me) so I guess we all did BB with our wives. Some with girlfriends. None of us do with escorts.

This isn't a place to ask questions to the women, there is another site for that which is not related to this one anymore but used to be run by the same admin. (That place is still run by that admin, this one is not anymore).

[Hobbit]

THE fact there isnt a rubber bag inside me!! feels completly different !

Now, now...you almost sound like you're promoting it. 

[GingerNuts]

None of us do with escorts.

There are a minority who bareback escorts.

[Doc Holliday]

This isn't a place to ask questions to the women, there is another site for that

You won't get many honest answers from the SPs though.

[Hobbit]

You won't get many honest answers from the SPs though.

Absolutely right. Do not expect any honest answers from service providers on this forum. Their main and only concern is to make money and keep punters attracted to them. They will say whatever it takes to keep that going.

[20jay]

Absolutely right. Do not expect any honest answers from service providers on this forum. Their main and only concern is to make money and keep punters attracted to them. They will say whatever it takes to keep that going.

Exactly , it's all about money on the end of the day.

[bearcat69]

Years ago, me and my wife, who was my GF at the time, when she was on the pill, used to have a lot of unprotected sex.

Now we're married, and following a conversation along the lines of her not liking taking the pill, whenever we do have sex these days, it's with using a condom..

Long story cut short, she and I agree (I think ) that it's preferable to have sex with using a condom. The long a short of it is that, unless you're trying to have a baby, it's just easier, cleaner, less stress.

Don't get me wrong, unprotected sex is obviously more fun in many ways for both parties involved, and when I did have a lot of unprotected sex with the missus, I certainly enjoyed it. I mean, I remember the first time I came in a pussy without using a condom, and that's certainly not an experience that leaves your mind. But overall, it's just better to use a condom for both parties involved. Sorry to state the obvious, but good sex is all about sex that both parties involved can enjoy and not have to have any additional things to worry about afterwards, especially in the context on punting, which really should be all about a casual encounter.

[winkywanky]

You could always have the snip of course, but that's quite a big decision to take and everyone's circumstances and feelings will be different.

Also, aren't they getting close to a 'Male Pill' now, which doesn't have the potential medical implications that the Pill does for women?

[bearcat69]

You could always have the snip of course, but that's quite a big decision to take and everyone's circumstances and feelings will be different.

Also, aren't they getting close to a 'Male Pill' now, which doesn't have the potential medical implications that the Pill does for women?

I'm not sure about that to be honest, I'd believe it when I see it. Skeptical me says, nothing pleasurable comes without some kind of unpleasant side affect.

A bit hypocritical I know, but I don't personally think I could ever have the snip. I could do the pain part. But it'd be like being confined to drinking non alcoholic beer for the entirety of rest of my life, and I mean, where's the fun in that?

[winkywanky]

I'm not sure about that to be honest, I'd believe it when I see it. Skeptical me says, nothing pleasurable comes without some kind of unpleasant side affect.

A bit hypocritical I know, but I don't personally think I could ever have the snip. I could do the pain part. But it'd be like being confined to drinking non alcoholic beer for the entirety of rest of my life, and I mean, where's the fun in that?

From personal experience I can tell you (and medical opinion will tell you the same I think) that there are no unpleasant side-effects (of course with the usual caveat that surgery can go wrong, however minor).

The only upshot is that your cumshots will be around 10% less in volume, since this is approximately the amount which actually comes from your bollocks. The rest comes from/via your prostate and contains lubricants/nutrition for the little swimmers for when they emerge.

Your testosterone levels are undiminished, this goes straight into your bloodstream from your bollocks.

[bearcat69]

From personal experience I can tell you (and medical opinion will tell you the same I think) that there are no unpleasant side-effects (of course with the usual caveat that surgery can go wrong, however minor).

The only upshot is that your cumshots will be around 10% less in volume, since this is approximately the amount which actually comes from your bollocks. The rest comes from/via your prostate and contains lubricants/nutrition for the little swimmers for when they emerge.

Your testosterone levels are undiminished, this goes straight into your bloodstream from your bollocks.

Oh, I wouldn't be worried about the physical effects of taking the snip, more the potential psychological effects (there are studies about minor risk of increased chances of developing depression and dementia). However that's not the point for me, as the choice aspect would be a big issue for me. I am in my mid thirties, have one child, and although I might well not choose to do so, I like having the option of being able to have more in the future if I chose so. That's not a life option I'd I give away lightly just so I can have BB. Obviously I'd look at it differently if I had multiple children though.
 
Besides, my comment was more referring to being skeptical about the idea of a "male pill" without side affects. Like I say, I'll believe it when I see it.

[winkywanky]

I don't have time to look properly now, but certainly I have read/heard that the Male Pill is close.

Whether it will be truly risk/side-effects-free I have no idea, drugs which work seldom are quite that benign.

And then it'll be the big argument within a relationship about which one is gonna go on it    .

[BobAJobMan]

Years ago, me and my wife, who was my GF at the time, when she was on the pill, used to have a lot of unprotected sex.

Now we're married, and following a conversation along the lines of her not liking taking the pill, whenever we do have sex these days, it's with using a condom..

Long story cut short, she and I agree (I think ) that it's preferable to have sex with using a condom. The long a short of it is that, unless you're trying to have a baby, it's just easier, cleaner, less stress.

Don't get me wrong, unprotected sex is obviously more fun in many ways for both parties involved, and when I did have a lot of unprotected sex with the missus, I certainly enjoyed it. I mean, I remember the first time I came in a pussy without using a condom, and that's certainly not an experience that leaves your mind. But overall, it's just better to use a condom for both parties involved. Sorry to state the obvious, but good sex is all about sex that both parties involved can enjoy and not have to have any additional things to worry about afterwards, especially in the context on punting, which really should be all about a casual encounter.

I don't get how it's 'easier'? There are non-hormonal forms of contraception, you know...

[winkywanky]

Even things like the Coil (which seem awfully easy and convenient for blokes) can cause the woman problems.

[bearcat69]

I don't get how it's 'easier'? There are non-hormonal forms of contraception, you know...

I don't understand your comment. I'm saying, it's easier to use a condom that hormonal contraception such as the pill. You'rr telling me you don't get how it's easier because there are non hormonal forms of contraception.

Explain youself.

[bearcat69]

I don't have time to look properly now, but certainly I have read/heard that the Male Pill is close.

Whether it will be truly risk/side-effects-free I have no idea, drugs which work seldom are quite that benign.

And then it'll be the big argument within a relationship about which one is gonna go on it    .

  indeed

No doubt I'd happily take it if was benigh, and I wouldn't fuck up and miss a day, then blame it on her!

[winkywanky]

indeed

No doubt I'd happily take it if was benigh, and I wouldn't fuck up and miss a day, then blame it on her!

That's 'cos you is a bloke, and she is a wimmin  .

[Doc Holliday]

No doubt I'd happily take it if was benign

No such thing when you are tinkering with hormones.

It will be at least a decade away if it ever happens. If it does I cannot see it being as effective as other means. Spermatozoa are tough little devils and Olympic class swimmers ...it only takes one 
In any case men are unreliable 

[The sperminator]

Speaking from personal experience, my missus hates the feel of a condom,it can make her sore, but the pill didnt agree with her, so the only time we did it without was when trying for a family. Once my second was born, i had the snip. Now she pumps for england, so much so , i haven't had to punt for a while.
As for the mess side of things, just keep something handy to clean up in the vicinity. Its also easier to pull out and cum on her tits without having to remove the rubber first!

[Happylad]

Speaking from personal experience, my missus hates the feel of a condom,it can make her sore, but the pill didnt agree with her, so the only time we did it without was when trying for a family. Once my second was born, i had the snip. Now she pumps for england, so much so , i haven't had to punt for a while.
As for the mess side of things, just keep something handy to clean up in the vicinity. Its also easier to pull out and cum on her tits without having to remove the rubber first!

After an initial trial of condoms during our honeymoon my wife refused to have anything more to do with them and for 25 years  put all her trust in the Dutch Cap - can be put in place well in advance, not detectable in any way in use, and can remain in place until next morning.  She always seemed to be prepared and waiting except when she was menstruating, when a bottle of lube placed on the bedside cabinet indicated that bb anal was on offer.

There was always a clean towel on the bedside table for whenever it was required, and we took it in turns to sleep on the wet bit whenever there was an accident.

What more can a married man want?

[mradventures]

i think ive read that men are less likely to contract aids/std's than women, because functionally the male is a giver, while the female is a reciever (shes ment to recieve sperm).

not sure if thats true or not, and probably not worth the risk

but one thing that puzzled me about sp's who do bb, surely if they get say chlamidia, they should stop working until cleared, wouldnt that be a massive loss of income?