Vivastreet Outcalls – Has Anyone Ever Booked One?

[Vice Admiral]

Now and then there are threads on this site about External Link/Members Only (aka Vivastreet).  The consensus – including from my own limited experience – is that the chances of the girl who opens the door being the hot babe in the photos are pretty well zero.

If you book an incall there is at least the option of walking – although this is admittedly easier said than done.  As I put it in my last Vivastreet review:
In order to walk, one has to be psychologically primed at just the right moment. In other words, one needs – at the very second the door opens – to be repeating to oneself, “Be ready to bail out.”

If you book an outcall, however, walking – or rather, saying “No thanks” when you open the door to your expensive visitor – isn’t really an option, since (a) you’ve presumably already paid a hefty deposit (or the whole fee?) and (b) not many of us want to surprise our neighbours by having an outraged strumpet screaming obscenities on our doorsteps.

And yet …

I’ve just done a Vivastreet search on Portsmouth.  Sixty results.  Of these 20 girls are outcall-only.  Or 22 if you include 42-year-old Saucy Susan and 41-year-old Kinky Kelly, two British hookers who are untypical of the generality of Vivastreet advertisers.

My suspicion is that the 20 outcall-only ads probably lead to a much smaller number of actual girls.  Nonetheless, these ads must be getting some response, or the pimps wouldn’t bother to advertise.

So, to repeat the question in the title of this thread, has anyone ever paid good money to see a Vivastreet escort on an outcall?

[lillythesavage]

There was a negative review for this recently.

What you are likely to get is a dodgy agency who put a driver and a girl together that go from job to job and doss in the car in between.

If a reliable indie appears they will almost certainly be on AW, using it as another advertising platform, cross referencing is always a good idea with VS, look for an AW in the same area.

[petermisc]

Similar outcall-only ads appear in most places.  No way would I touch one of them with a bargepole.  Home outcalls carry enough risks as it is, but these look well dodgy.  I would always want to see a girl incall first, before allowing her anywhere near my home.  If you are desperate enough to try one, I strongly suggest you book a cheap hotel room to meet her in.

[Vice Admiral]

Similar outcall-only ads appear in most places.  No way would I touch one of them with a bargepole.  Home outcalls carry enough risks as it is, but these look well dodgy.  I would always want to see a girl incall first, before allowing her anywhere near my home.  If you are desperate enough to try one, I strongly suggest you book a cheap hotel room to meet her in.

I would no sooner book a Vivastreet girl for an outcall – either chez moi or at a hotel – than I would try to get a seat on the first manned mission to Mars.

My post was made in a spirit of intellectual curiosity.  I was interested to discover whether anyone here had done something that, on the face of it, seems guaranteed to generate disappointment, fractiousness or ructions.

[LLPunting]

The mistake is to consider these outcall-only adverts as being genuine offers.  They are first and foremost a scam.  Nevermind getting in the right mind to turn a disappointment away, you need to not be responding to them at all.  If you're so out of control with your fantasies about cheap pretty women being so easily fuckable then stick with subscription porn or OF until you realise the futility.  The likelihood of these visiting beauties being controlled by organised crime is high and there's no limiting the organisation to prostitution only, burglary, blackmail and muggings would all be easy additional "enterprises" once a mark had been found.
There are plenty of reviewed SPs to take a safer risk with.  There are plenty of brothels in varying levels of squalor to chance your need for a mystery fuck.

[standardpostage]

No, nay, never booked one.

[bristolnick]

I'd have to check for them on AW as well. Can't imagine anything worse than the wrong one turning up.

[scutty brown]

Blackpool is a good example.
If you take the non-Asian foreign girls, something like 50-60% are now outcall-only.
Some of these are deposit scams
Others "party girls" doubling up as drug dealers
A lot will be EE girls under control of a pimp, usually owned by a gang. Often the profiles can be linked  by patterns in pricing, language, artistic style, photos - it soon becomes clear there are relatively few groups.

One other interesting trend is the drop in the number claiming to be Romanian - in Blackpool 7 out of 80 or so foreigners

[Vice Admiral]

Blackpool is a good example.
If you take the non-Asian foreign girls, something like 50-60% are now outcall-only.
Some of these are deposit scams
Others "party girls" doubling up as drug dealers
A lot will be EE girls under control of a pimp, usually owned by a gang. Often the profiles can be linked  by patterns in pricing, language, artistic style, photos - it soon becomes clear there are relatively few groups.
One other interesting trend is the drop in the number claiming to be Romanian - in Blackpool 7 out of 80 or so foreigners

A persuasive analysis.

Yes, I too have noticed the fact that Vivastreet is now a United Nations of nationalities.  Since the girls presumably don't have to provide any proof to Vivastreet, they can claim to be anything they like.  A few months ago I noticed a group of three profiles on Vivastreet sharing the same phonr number and with a totally improbable mix of nationalities – Belgian, Russian and Italian, or something like that.

Vivastreet could of course put a stop to "fake photo syndrome" if they required girls to submit a photograph of themselves holding a placard with the date on it.  But of course they don't, because they make their money from fake profiles.

Or I assume they do?  I don't think I've ever seen it set down here in black-and-white.

Do girls indeed have to pay to advertise on Vivastreet?  If so, does anyone know how much?

[lillythesavage]

A persuasive analysis.

Yes, I too have noticed the fact that Vivastreet is now a United Nations of nationalities.  Since the girls presumably don't have to provide any proof to Vivastreet, they can claim to be anything they like.  A few months ago I noticed a group of three profiles on Vivastreet sharing the same phonr number and with a totally improbable mix of nationalities – Belgian, Russian and Italian, or something like that.

Vivastreet could of course put a stop to "fake photo syndrome" if they required girls to submit a photograph of themselves holding a placard with the date on it.  But of course they don't, because they make their money from fake profiles.

Or I assume they do?  I don't think I've ever seen it set down here in black-and-white.

Do girls indeed have to pay to advertise on Vivastreet?  If so, does anyone know how much?

There is a verification process and some have used it, including a verification picture, but it is not a requirement.

[Strawberry]

A persuasive analysis.

Yes, I too have noticed the fact that Vivastreet is now a United Nations of nationalities.  Since the girls presumably don't have to provide any proof to Vivastreet, they can claim to be anything they like.  A few months ago I noticed a group of three profiles on Vivastreet sharing the same phonr number and with a totally improbable mix of nationalities – Belgian, Russian and Italian, or something like that.

Vivastreet could of course put a stop to "fake photo syndrome" if they required girls to submit a photograph of themselves holding a placard with the date on it.  But of course they don't, because they make their money from fake profiles.

Or I assume they do?  I don't think I've ever seen it set down here in black-and-white.

Do girls indeed have to pay to advertise on Vivastreet?  If so, does anyone know how much?

Yes there is a charge to advertise, and in comparison to other directories can become quite expensive.

I have tried to verify several times I pass the tests set by the 3rd party ID app, but because I won't have a face photo displayed they will not place a verified status on my profile. I have advertised with them for many years, using the same credit card and personal details. Also spoken to them many times.

[Vice Admiral]

Yes there is a charge to advertise, and in comparison to other directories can become quite expensive.
I have tried to verify several times I pass the tests set by the 3rd party ID app, but because I won't have a face photo displayed they will not place a verified status on my profile. I have advertised with them for many years, using the same credit card and personal details. Also spoken to them many times.

Interesting.

Since you, as a "genuine" British girl, have clearly got good results from using Vivastreet, I'm surprised that – in my area, anyway – it's almost entirely foreign-born "bait-and-switchers" who advertise there.

Also, where does the verified status appear if a profile has indeed been verified?

I've just done a search on Portsmouth.  65 results.  On the summary pages, there are about half a dozen profiles that have the word "Featured" at top right of the girl's summary, something for which they presumably pay extra.  Is that where "Verified" would appear if a girl's been verified?  Or would it appear somewhere else?

[Strawberry]

Interesting.

Since you, as a "genuine" British girl, have clearly got good results from using Vivastreet, I'm surprised that – in my area, anyway – it's almost entirely foreign-born "bait-and-switchers" who advertise there.

Also, where does the verified status appear if a profile has indeed been verified?

I've just done a search on Portsmouth.  65 results.  On the summary pages, there are about half a dozen profiles that have the word "Featured" at top right of the girl's summary, something for which they presumably pay extra.  Is that where "Verified" would appear if a girl's been verified?  Or would it appear somewhere else?

I can't remember where verified would appear I will try to find out. I stopped advertising a while back, yes I did receive genuine good clients but the offset was always a deluge of very low quality (by which I mean utterly rude) enquiries. It was like trawling a sea, and very noticeable. I could always tell when my VS ad had gone live by the quantity, time and type ofenquiries. I only currently have a cam, phonechat and content profile on there, this is free subject to their 50% cut of proceeds which currently is approximately £100 after their commission per year (but I rarely actually log into their cam because other sites get far more traffic). Also I used an Escort ad in lock down to try drive traffic to my cam profile (as encouraged by VS who wouldn't allow SPs to advertise in person services during some of the pandemic). I have also had issues with their geographical data base which works fine in cities but is terrible in my area and has been for a long time - they are actually using pre 1980s info.

Features cost a lot as does the ability to move location, and or tour.

A basic ad when I last advertised including link to website (extra charge), phone number (no extra charge) cost £15.99 for 7 days. Features, different locations as I understand it can bump this up to double or treble that amount per week. Actual pricing also depends on location, I believe some locations cost less than £10 per week for a basic ad including phone number.

[Vice Admiral]

I can't remember where verified would appear I will try to find out. I stopped advertising a while back, yes I did receive genuine good clients but the offset was always a deluge of very low quality (by which I mean utterly rude) enquiries. It was like trawling a sea, and very noticeable. I could always tell when my VS ad had gone live by the quantity, time and type ofenquiries. I only currently have a cam, phonechat and content profile on there, this is free subject to their 50% cut of proceeds which currently is approximately £100 after their commission per year (but I rarely actually log into their cam because other sites get far more traffic). Also I used an Escort ad in lock down to try drive traffic to my cam profile (as encouraged by VS who wouldn't allow SPs to advertise in person services during some of the pandemic). I have also had issues with their geographical data base which works fine in cities but is terrible in my area and has been for a long time - they are actually using pre 1980s info.
Features cost a lot as does the ability to move location, and or tour.
A basic ad when I last advertised including link to website (extra charge), phone number (no extra charge) cost £15.99 for 7 days. Features, different locations as I understand it can bump this up to double or treble that amount per week. Actual pricing also depends on location, I believe some locations cost less than £10 per week for a basic ad including phone number.

Thank you, Strawberry, for all that further very interesting information.

[Strawberry]

Thank you, Strawberry, for all that further very interesting information.

Per 7 days in my location, in addition to basic advert cost of £12.99;

VIP £69.99
Featured £59.99
7 day frequent repost £49.99
Highlight £24.99
'New' label £6.99
Website link £2.99

Inside my account shows I am 'verified as 18+ by the 3rd party app' but as I understand it this will only be displayed if I have a face photo on my profile.

[Vice Admiral]

Per 7 days in my location, in addition to basic advert cost of £12.99;
VIP £69.99
Featured £59.99
7 day frequent repost £49.99
Highlight £24.99
'New' label £6.99
Website link £2.99
Inside my account shows I am 'verified as 18+ by the 3rd party app' but as I understand it this will only be displayed if I have a face photo on my profile.

Thank you again, Strawberry.  It had been my intention to choose Adult Work as my specialist subject when I go on Mastermind, but I may now also include Vivastreet (and indeed Sugar Daddy / Secret Benefits).

With regard to Vivastreet age verification, I suppose that would also involve checking the photo on the verification documentation (passport or driving licence, I assume) against the photos on the profile? 

Or would a clever Vivastreet pimp be able to find a way round that? 

On reflection, that's a fairly pointless question, since so few Vivastreeters seem to bother with verification of any kind!

[Strawberry]

Thank you again, Strawberry.  It had been my intention to choose Adult Work as my specialist subject when I go on Mastermind, but I may now also include Vivastreet (and indeed Sugar Daddy / Secret Benefits).

With regard to Vivastreet age verification, I suppose that would also involve checking the photo on the verification documentation (passport or driving licence, I assume) against the photos on the profile? 

Or would a clever Vivastreet pimp be able to find a way round that? 

On reflection, that's a fairly pointless question, since so few Vivastreeters seem to bother with verification of any kind!

As I remember the 3rd party app doesn't check the photo,  it required upload of photo ID (passport or driving licence) and either a selfie or a video of me speaking. As far as I know it doesn't check the VS profile, it simply decides the person operating the phone is 18+ and passes this on to the VS profile. Just looked up the app it's a fully automated ID verification app using ID and biometrics to suit the end customer.

[Vice Admiral]

As I remember the 3rd party app doesn't check the photo,  it required upload of photo ID (passport or driving licence) and either a selfie or a video of me speaking. As far as I know it doesn't check the VS profile, it simply decides the person operating the phone is 18+ and passes this on to the VS profile.

So the age would be verified, but probably not the matching of photographs?  With the result that on Vivastreet the punter can protect himself against the risk of seeing an underage girl, but not against the – much more likely – risk of encountering a bait-and-switcher.

Incidentally it's odd that Adult Work is these days so hot on age verification – presumably to avoid any risk of being accused of touting under-age prostitution – while Vivastreet, with its "take it or leave it" approach to verification, doesn't seem to give a damn.

[Strawberry]

So the age would be verified, but probably not the matching of photographs?  With the result that on Vivastreet the punter can protect himself against the risk of seeing an underage girl, but not against the – much more likely – risk of encountering a bait-and-switcher.

Incidentally it's odd that Adult Work is these days so hot on age verification – presumably to avoid any risk of being accused of touting under-age prostitution – while Vivastreet, with its "take it or leave it" approach to verification, doesn't seem to give a damn.

The age of the person presenting / owning the photo ID.

What's to stop bait and switch or the person when you arrive being underage or someone else?

[LLPunting]

Thanks Strawberry for the eye-opening reveals about VS.   

Would you care to characterise the different punter types you get from each platform you use with some snippets of the tone of enquiries?  You suggest that VS seems to generate lots more "rude" traffic, how are AW (or other platform) punters generally "nicer"? 

Do you get a sense that punters of different nationalities or cultures can be generalised in their behaviour?
 

[Vice Admiral]

Another thing that puzzles me about Vivastreet is why the principle of "Once bitten, twice shy" doesn't kick in.

Punters who decide to try Vivastreet in the expectation of encountering the hot babe in the photographs are usually going to have a "bait and switch" experience – so you'd expect them not to want to get their fingers burnt a second time.

Accordingly, you'd have thought that the escort ads on Vivastreet would have long ago all but died away.  But that isn't the case.

So do most punters in fact book Vivastreet incalls with their eyes wide open?  (Vivastreet outcalls remain a puzzle.)

Where UKP users of Vivastreet have been semi-satisfied, it seems to be because their approach is: "I don't expect to see the girl in the photos, but maybe the girl who opens the door will turn out to be OK-ish for my purposes.  And it won't be expensive."

Is that what keeps Vivastreet going?

[king tarzan]

Unreliable let alone gift some criminals with your address
Big mega nope

[petermisc]

Another thing that puzzles me about Vivastreet is why the principle of "Once bitten, twice shy" doesn't kick in.

Punters who decide to try Vivastreet in the expectation of encountering the hot babe in the photographs are usually going to have a "bait and switch" experience – so you'd expect them not to want to get their fingers burnt a second time.

There are some punters who seem to relish the hunt for the hidden gem.  I suppose the nearest analogy is the serial better, who only remembers the wins, and forgets all the lost bets, and for who the next bet is sure to be the big win.  They are prepared to write-off the wasted time traipsing from one B&S to the next.   It is part and parcel of the punting experience for them.  To my mind, it is like punting back in the days of phone box cards, when the chances of the girl looking anything like the photo on the card were virtually zero.  But each to their own.

There must also be plenty of punters who are unaware of this site.

[king tarzan]

There are some punters who seem to relish the hunt for the hidden gem.  I suppose the nearest analogy is the serial better, who only remembers the wins, and forgets all the lost bets, and for who the next bet is sure to be the big win.  They are prepared to write-off the wasted time traipsing from one B&S to the next.   It is part and parcel of the punting experience for them.  To my mind, it is like punting back in the days of phone box cards, when the chances of the girl looking anything like the photo on the card were virtually zero.  But each to their own.

There must also be plenty of punters who are unaware of this site.

Maybe they are dangerous thrill seekers
All sorts out there

[Mr Sinister]

There must also be plenty of punters who are unaware of this site.

This right here, remember we're only a small community to the wider punting world. There's probably punters on the 'outside world' who probably looks at these B&S profiles as normal ads, like it might not be reflective of what I'm going to get but close enough.

I punt on VS for the most part my experiences have been fine I know what is obviously fake and what is real, I don't go chasing mad unicorns.

[Vice Admiral]

There are some punters who seem to relish the hunt for the hidden gem.  I suppose the nearest analogy is the serial better.

A persuasive point.  Indeed the generality of punting often involves the triumph of hope over experience. 

There must also be plenty of punters who are unaware of this site.

But even non-UKP punters who have tried Vivastreet – without being able to benefit from the reports of UKP members – will have had the same kind of bait-and-switch experiences; and will then have had to make a decision about whether or not to visit Vivastreet again.

[scutty brown]

Based on the experiences of a couple of Roms I got too friendly with.........
Most VS outcalls were late night / after pub bookings and the blokes were too pissed to notice the difference
As long as the girl turned  up, had a pulse and looked vaguely similar everything was OK
No plan B at 2AM

[Vice Admiral]

Based on the experiences of a couple of Roms I got too friendly with.........
Most VS outcalls were late night / after pub bookings and the blokes were too pissed to notice the difference
As long as the girl turned  up, had a pulse and looked vaguely similar everything was OK
No plan B at 2AM

That makes a lot of sense.

I'm a very sober punter, so the dynamics of inebriated early-hours punting are outside my world-view.

[king tarzan]

Based on the experiences of a couple of Roms I got too friendly with.........
Most VS outcalls were late night / after pub bookings and the blokes were too pissed to notice the difference
As long as the girl turned  up, had a pulse and looked vaguely similar everything was OK
No plan B at 2AM

Was 💞in the air??

[Strawberry]

Based on the experiences of a couple of Roms I got too friendly with.........
Most VS outcalls were late night / after pub bookings and the blokes were too pissed to notice the difference
As long as the girl turned  up, had a pulse and looked vaguely similar everything was OK
No plan B at 2AM

Definitely a higher proportion of night hours (11pm-5am)and or inebriated contact.

[Vice Admiral]

I’ve just seen my first-ever Vivastreet profile with age verification (AV), so I thought I’d share it for the benefit of any others who have never seen one:
External Link/Members Only.

And the girl’s profile includes this: “Verified with the Vivastreet blue 18+ logo, so rest assured no bait and switch.”

However we are not, I think, convinced that AV means that Vivastreet has compared the AV photo with the photos on the profile (see what Strawberry wrote above at Reply #18 above) – in which case Vivastreet AV doesn’t guarantee no bait-and-switch. 

[lillythesavage]

I’ve just seen my first-ever Vivastreet profile with age verification (AV), so I thought I’d share it for the benefit of any others who have never seen one:
External Link/Members Only.

And the girl’s profile includes this: “Verified with the Vivastreet blue 18+ logo, so rest assured no bait and switch.”

However we are not, I think, convinced that AV means that Vivastreet has compared the AV photo with the photos on the profile (see what Strawberry wrote above at Reply #18 above) – in which case Vivastreet AV doesn’t guarantee no bait-and-switch.

The age veri is different from full veri, as @Strawberry pointed out. that requires a face picture that is shown on the profile, not hidden as it is on AW.

No advertising platform could guarantee no B%S whatever measures they take