The Death of the Oldest Profession?

[Vice Admiral]

I am posting this on the general board because, although my research is specific to one city, its conclusions may be of interest to members of UKP who live in other cities – where, indeed, similar results may in many cases apply.

I decided this morning that I would put to the test my subjective impression that new young-to-youngish British arrivals on Adult Work in my home city of Portsmouth (population almost quarter of a million) have dried to a trickle.

My search terms were: female escorts / Portsmouth / incalls / age from 18 to 35 – with the results to appear in order of registered date.

I applied no other filters.

I then studied the results, excluding from my analysis: (a) girls for whom more than one town was listed and the first town given was not Portsmouth (b) girls who were declaredly or self-evidently East European or Brazilian (c) any girl who had not logged in to her account within the last month.

This left me with just four girls: Cumslutnaughtygirl, Sexy tiffany1, Dem57 and sexyshortenglishbbw.  I excluded the last of these because she had had a previous profile on AW that went back several years.

Unless anyone can identify a flaw in my methodology – or point to any girls I have somehow failed to spot – this research establishes that over the last twelve and a half months just three British girls aged between 18 and 35 doing incalls in Portsmouth have registered on Adult Work for the first time and remained active.

Far from the oldest profession being a growth industry, as Louis Theroux’s BBC documentary on Sunday claimed, this suggests that it is dying on its feet.

[Home Alone]

I am posting this on the general board because, although my research is specific to one city, its conclusions may be of interest to members of UKP who live in other cities – where, indeed, similar results may in many cases apply.

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Far from the oldest profession being a growth industry, as Louis Theroux’s BBC documentary on Sunday claimed, this suggests that it is dying on its feet.

As they used to say on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In - 50 years ago  - "Very interesting."

But I wouldn't be surprised to find that the truth lies somewhere in between those two positions, VA. There'll surely always be a market for paid-for sex for those of us who can't get it for free. And, as in almost every sphere of life, the grass was - seemed, anyway - greener yesteryear.

[Blackpool Rock]

I've just run a search for girls who claim to be British, 18-35, do incalls, have logged in within 1 month and it's brought up 38 results using the postcode search within 10 miles of PO1, reducing it to 5 miles still brings up 27 matches.

I do find that sometimes changing my searches slightly from the saved searches that I have can unearth some profiles that i've not seen before, the postcode one can be useful

[Fuzzyduck]

Far from the oldest profession being a growth industry, as Louis Theroux’s BBC documentary on Sunday claimed, this suggests that it is dying on its feet.

No it doesn't. Have you logged results monthly for the last few years? The market is much more complex with several fluctuating variables, e.g. relationship between spend on hookers vs disposable income/discretionary spend.
One possible hypothesis is that new SPs are not coming onto AW and are advertising through other platforms, e.g. Seeking.

[Vice Admiral]

I've just run a search for girls who claim to be British, 18-35, do incalls, have logged in within 1 month and it's brought up 38 results using the postcode search within 10 miles of PO1, reducing it to 5 miles still brings up 27 matches. I do find that sometimes changing my searches slightly from the saved searches that I have can unearth some profiles that i've not seen before, the postcode one can be useful

I've done the same postcode search as you did, using the 5 mile radius.  I got 29 hits, but the vast majority of those were registered before the start of last year – and identifying "relative newbies" was the central component of this piece of research.  (My second paragraph referred to "new young-to-youngish British arrivals on Adult Work" having "dried to a trickle" – and my second-last paragraph makes clear what was the timescale within which I was researching.)

Of the two girls who appear among the results who have registered since 1 January 2019 (other than those I've already listed) one annybaby23 – who does not specify a city, only the county of Hampshire – is revealed by the postcode search indeed to be in Portsmouth.  So that adds one to my total.  The other, victoriabrunette, although declared as British, I judge to be Romanian.  But I may be wrong.

So the postcode search only adds either one or two girls to the list of 18-to-35 year-old incallers in Portsmouth who have registered on AW in the past twelve-and-a-half months and remain active.





 

[Vice Admiral]

One possible hypothesis is that new SPs are not coming onto AW and are advertising through other platforms, e.g. Seeking.

I agree that that may well be part of it, yes. 

Another part of it is probably that sites such as Onlyfans allow girls to make a lot of money from sex-related work without actually getting their hands dirty.

So to speak.

[Vice Admiral]

Accidental post, but I can't get rid of it – only adapt the text to flag it up as an accident!

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Nothing that scientific here, Cambridge and its environs, but its got a little bit better since the beginning of the year. I still have more girls available than budget so thats an indicator!

Theres a tread on SAFFE where a lot of girls are grumbling that its "quiet"..

[datwabbit]

Nothing that scientific here, Cambridge and its environs, but its got a little bit better since the beginning of the year. I still have more girls available than budget so thats an indicator!

Theres a tread on SAFFE where a lot of girls are grumbling that its "quiet"..

It's quiet because rates are holding and possibly rising while punting budgets are falling. IMO.

There is a different feel between aw and seeking but guys start on aw so there's a reason they are looking elsewhere.

[Beamer]

I am posting this on the general board because, although my research is specific to one city, its conclusions may be of interest to members of UKP who live in other cities – where, indeed, similar results may in many cases apply.

I decided this morning that I would put to the test my subjective impression that new young-to-youngish British arrivals on Adult Work in my home city of Portsmouth (population almost quarter of a million) have dried to a trickle.

My search terms were: female escorts / Portsmouth / incalls / age from 18 to 35 – with the results to appear in order of registered date.

I applied no other filters.

I then studied the results, excluding from my analysis: (a) girls for whom more than one town was listed and the first town given was not Portsmouth (b) girls who were declaredly or self-evidently East European or Brazilian (c) any girl who had not logged in to her account within the last month.

This left me with just four girls: Cumslutnaughtygirl, Sexy tiffany1, Dem57 and sexyshortenglishbbw.  I excluded the last of these because she had had a previous profile on AW that went back several years.

Unless anyone can identify a flaw in my methodology – or point to any girls I have somehow failed to spot – this research establishes that over the last twelve and a half months just three British girls aged between 18 and 35 doing incalls in Portsmouth have registered on Adult Work for the first time and remained active.

Far from the oldest profession being a growth industry, as Louis Theroux’s BBC documentary on Sunday claimed, this suggests that it is dying on its feet.

Surely it's AW that's dying on its feet and not the industry. 

[NickyBobby]

Might be region related or AW’s search not being very good. I’ve not noticed a drop in the number of providers

[Gordon Bennett]

Is this particular just to escorting or is it indicatory of that age group being a bunch of lazy wet lettuces who are averse to a hard day's work in any profession?

[winkywanky]

I am posting this on the general board because, although my research is specific to one city, its conclusions may be of interest to members of UKP who live in other cities – where, indeed, similar results may in many cases apply.

I decided this morning that I would put to the test my subjective impression that new young-to-youngish British arrivals on Adult Work in my home city of Portsmouth (population almost quarter of a million) have dried to a trickle.

My search terms were: female escorts / Portsmouth / incalls / age from 18 to 35 – with the results to appear in order of registered date.

I applied no other filters.

I then studied the results, excluding from my analysis: (a) girls for whom more than one town was listed and the first town given was not Portsmouth (b) girls who were declaredly or self-evidently East European or Brazilian (c) any girl who had not logged in to her account within the last month.

This left me with just four girls: Cumslutnaughtygirl, Sexy tiffany1, Dem57 and sexyshortenglishbbw.  I excluded the last of these because she had had a previous profile on AW that went back several years.

Unless anyone can identify a flaw in my methodology – or point to any girls I have somehow failed to spot – this research establishes that over the last twelve and a half months just three British girls aged between 18 and 35 doing incalls in Portsmouth have registered on Adult Work for the first time and remained active.

Far from the oldest profession being a growth industry, as Louis Theroux’s BBC documentary on Sunday claimed, this suggests that it is dying on its feet.

I think it is a growth industry, but the providers are just different, whatever the reasons are for that.

This will probably shift again, after Brexit is concluded too.

[cueball]

I don't know about the numbers of lasses or the data and figures..... But, for me, they're bloody prices are killing it.

There's a difference between shiting and riving your arse.... It's always been an expensive hobby but it's shot through the bloody roof these days!

[Corus Boy]

AW is not the font of all knowledge!

Perhaps younger Anglos use different technologies,  such as Seeking Arrangements or the like,  Vivastreet, Gumtree, etc.

Or even older methods like newspaper adverts.

[Beamer]

AW is not the font of all knowledge!

Perhaps younger Anglos use different technologies,  such as Seeking Arrangements or the like,  Vivastreet, Gumtree, etc.

Or even older methods like newspaper adverts.

AW has more competition nowadays. They are no longer an appropriate benchmark

[Vice Admiral]

In addition to to the just four or five British incall girls aged 18 to 35 in Portsmouth who have joined Adult Work since 1 January 2019 and remain active on the site (and who are named above), there are nine or ten outcallers who satisfy the rest of the criteria – giving us a total of about 15 young-ish Portsmouth escorts who have joined Adult Work in the last year or so and are still there today.

The reason I have now added outcallers is to allow a direct comparison to be made with Seeking, most of whose girls are probably outcallers – if they are anything.

A search made on Seeking for girls aged 18 to 35 who give Portsmouth as their location and who have joined the site within the last year gets 364 hits.

This is not the place to discuss how genuine all the girls on Seeking are, or how close to being "real" escorts – that has been covered in other threads – but nonetheless these are staggering figures.

I repeat, the relative numbers of "new" Portsmouth girls aged 18 to 35 on the two sites over the past year or so are: Adult Work 15, Seeking 364.

So perhaps it is indeed just Adult Work that is in decline; and prostitution is thriving under another name on Seeking?

[jesse4585]

As others have suggested, there's been a big shift of lasses from AW > Seeking & other Sugar Daddy platforms.  For various reasons, said shift has been especially sharp in Portsmouth. For an AW orientated punter based there it might mask the large increase in overall sex work.  Some might find the numbers interesting:

Portsmouth 2012
AW Brit signups:    30/year *
Seeking signups:    12/year

Portsmouth 2019
AW Brit signups:  4/year
Seeking signups  215/ year  (& this is just student from Portsmouth Uni, I see the Vice Admiral found 364 overall)**

* 30/ year is partly a guesstimate, though it's based on a conversation I had with the good Vice Admiral himself a few months back.

**  You can see here that Portsmouth Uni currently has the UK's 2nd highest sugar babe population:
External Link/Members Only
The link also tells us there is over two million UK sugar babes in total.

( btw,  in several earlier years,  Portsmouth was the number 1 uni for sugar babes, e.g. see External Link/Members Only )

Looking UK wide, the 2 million Seeking sugar babes dwarfs the approx  70,000 regular whores  (AW, agencies, brothels, viva etc.) And seeking is just one of several sugar daddy platforms.

A big  reason for the massive shift from regular whoring > sugar daddy platforms is the extent to which they give both sexes what they  (typically) want.

The lasses only need to have sex with a small number of men, where (in theory at least) they are more likely to have an emotional connection than with regular punters.

Punters generally get better value then with AW.  Actual value for sugar daddies varies hugely by individual.  You get some fluffy white knights who pay over 5k / month just for  platonic dates.  And you get some newbie sugar daddies who waste hundreds of hours of time before they get any sex.   But among punters who've learnt how to work the platforms, there are many who on average pay ~£500 /month for something like 12 hours sex + 20 hours of young female companionship.  And it's often much better sex for those who like submissive GFE type sessions.

Overall,  the figure I keep hearing is that about 1 in 5 UK lasses are now doing some form of sex work.  Whereas back around 2005, it was probably less than 1 in 20.  Big reason for this huge rise is the frequency with which sex work is now discussed as a money making option on university & college campuses.  Another reason is the wider rise of the platform economy  - "everything that can become a platform, will become a platform". Yet another wider reason is the increase in student debts, along with other changes in the economy this last 10 years, especially as they pertain to young people.

Here's an estimate as to how contemporary UK sex work is spread among the different sectors,  in terms of revenue earned:

Traditional whoring: (includes AW & agency meets)  20%
regular e-whoring (camgirl etc.)                             10%
speciality e-whoring (selling used knickers, etc.)      5%
Sugar babes:                                                        65%

( Almost all the e-whores just do it as a side hustle. Except for a few super stars, it's hard to make a good living doing this. Some of the e-girls out there aren't female, and not even trans, just skint web users trying to scam...)

Lastly, perhaps the most interesting question for members of this forum. If the supply of sex workers has risen sharply over the last decade or so, why haven't prices fallen.  We punters know that on average our disposable income hasn't been rising sharply, & few of us consider that punting has became more acceptable.

Two answers to this.  AW prices seem to be an example of what economists calls a "sticky price." i.e. they don't rapidly adjust to balance supply & demand. This is partly due to emotional reasons - some lasses see their price as a reflection of their self worth - and they don't like to charge less than similar lasses.    There's the (partly false) belief that higher prices get you a better class of punter. And as happens in most competitive markets, lasses that under cut the market rate occasionally get attacked  (at least criticised) by others.

Second answer is that prices are going down - just not on AW.  On the sugar daddy platforms, where the girls have less visibility on what their peers are earning,  the various reasons for 'sticky prices' don't apply.   My guesstimate is that effective hourly earnings have fallen from ~ £80+ /hour back in 2010, to as little as £25 / hour today (though again this is going vary massively from girl to girl, with the lucky ones earning over 10x that rate.)

As to the most interesting question of all, whether regular punting prices are going to follow suite,  I don't know.

There's talk of lasses finding an increasing number of 'sugar daddys'  turn out to be abusive 'wrong uns' , so perhaps if the platform operators don't get a handle on that,  the shift towards Seeking & the like might eventually reverse.

[RandomGuy99]

I think with the advent of social media, facetime and other platforms there are probably a lot of other probably safer and less time consuming activities that allow attractive women to make money instead of shagging random guys who walk in the door.

If only I had boobs and a vagina...

[MME]

If only I had boobs and a vagina...

Stop punting for a couple of years to save a few grand and you can have some of your own - you'd be sitting on a gold mine in no time 

[datwabbit]

I don't know about the numbers of lasses or the data and figures..... But, for me, they're bloody prices are killing it.

There's a difference between shiting and riving your arse.... It's always been an expensive hobby but it's shot through the bloody roof these days!

I am amazed at how many are keeping their prices higher while claiming that they're not doing well. In that respect, there must be enough men paying.

Seeking is wierd. It's cheaper than escorts but when you factor in subscription, hotels, dates (if needed) and YOUR TIME then I don't think it is.

It's interesting how we don't seem to include the financial cost of our time when we look at our punting options.

[Vice Admiral]

Portsmouth 2019
AW Brit signups:  4/year
Seeking signups  215/ year  (& this is just student from Portsmouth Uni, I see the Vice Admiral found 364 overall)**

Just to make it clear.  My figure of four British sign-ups related only to 18 to 35 year-old Portsmouth incallers who arrived on Adult Work during the course of 2019 – and are still on the site now.  As I have indicated, there are also around nine outcallers in this category.

However there will also have been a number of British girls in this age-range who signed on to Adult Work during the course of the year; stayed a few weeks or months; and then removed their profiles.  Maybe ten?  Fifteen?  Twenty?  Who knows?

And there will also be / have been a few escorts older than 35 who joined AW during the course of the last year or so.

[jesse4585]

Just to make it clear.  My figure of four British sign-ups related only to 18 to 35 year-old Portsmouth incallers who arrived on Adult Work during the course of 2019 – and are still on the site now.  ...

Indeed Vice Admiral.  My somewhat imprecise post may have overstated matters a little.

Still,  for me at least the shift you revealed from AW > Sugar Daddy platforms is a very real & interesting phenomena, and quite the untold story.  There's almost certainly over 10 Sugar Babes for each regular whore working AW, borthels & agencies etc.  Probably the ratio is over 20:1   But only a decade back it things were very different.

Back in 2010 very few in UK were using Seeking.

In 2012,  Seeking reported 50,000 sugar babes,  a decent number, but still less than the total of regular whores.
( See External Link/Members Only )

Whereas now they apparently have over 2,000,000 !
According to this BBC documentary, the total number of UK Sugar Daddy platform users  (all platforms not just Seeking) is ~3.5 million!
External Link/Members Only

[Vice Admiral]

Still,  for me at least the shift you revealed from AW > Sugar Daddy platforms is a very real & interesting phenomena, and quite the untold story.

I can't really claim any credit for "revealing" the shift, Jesse.  Others have pointed in the same direction.

However the "numbers" that I crunched above did somewhat flabbergast me!  I hadn't realised to what an extent the market seems to have shifted to Seeking.

The trouble is that, for many of us who are used to the Adult Work system, transferring some or all of one's attention to Seeking would involve a very major change of gear. 

I have read much on UKP (including in your long post above) about the time, energy, patience, commitment and stamina needed to play the Seeking game, and about the large number of failures many people seem to endure before they get a success – however rewarding that success may turn out to be.

So sadly, it's not for everyone!

[datwabbit]

Indeed Vice Admiral.  My somewhat imprecise post may have overstated matters a little.

Still,  for me at least the shift you revealed from AW > Sugar Daddy platforms is a very real & interesting phenomena, and quite the untold story.  There's almost certainly over 10 Sugar Babes for each regular whore working AW, borthels & agencies etc.  Probably the ratio is over 20:1   But only a decade back it things were very different.

Back in 2010 very few in UK were using Seeking.

In 2012,  Seeking reported 50,000 sugar babes,  a decent number, but still less than the total of regular whores.
( See External Link/Members Only )

Whereas now they apparently have over 2,000,000 !
According to this BBC documentary, the total number of UK Sugar Daddy platform users  (all platforms not just Seeking) is ~3.5 million!
External Link/Members Only

Don't you think a lot of this is fuelled by men secretly competing and liking the idea of "keeping the girl to themselves", even if they don't realise it. I mean, there's the idea that these girls aren't seeing a lot of guys but a part time sp won't be seeing that many either.

I'm someone who has been a sd and I'm just too busy to chase anymore and it's given me an opportunity to reflect.

[datwabbit]

I can't really claim any credit for "revealing" the shift, Jesse.  Others have pointed in the same direction.

However the "numbers" that I crunched above did somewhat flabbergast me!  I hadn't realised to what an extent the market seems to have shifted to Seeking.

The trouble is that, for many of us who are used to the Adult Work system, transferring some or all of one's attention to Seeking would involve a very major change of gear. 

I have read much on UKP (including in your long post above) about the time, energy, patience, commitment and stamina needed to play the Seeking game, and about the large number of failures many people seem to endure before they get a success – however rewarding that success may turn out to be.

So sadly, it's not for everyone!

You can only spend your money once.
Similarly you can only spend your time once.

And no amount of competing or gloating is going to increase either my time or my money so I'm thinking differently these days.

[RandomGuy99]

Stop punting for a couple of years to save a few grand and you can have some of your own - you'd be sitting on a gold mine in no time 

Haha I think a total body transplant might be cheaper.

[jesse4585]

So sadly, it's not for everyone!

Indeed. Definitely not for me, at least not while I'm in London.  Plenty of good regular whores here,  & so far I've had no problems linking up with them, thanks in part to this excellent forum.  Feel bad for punters located in the 'punting desert' areas, especially if they don't want to make the time investment to get good on Seeking. As said these trends don't always keep going in the same direction forever,  hopefully matters will improve.

[jesse4585]

Don't you think a lot of this is fuelled by men secretly competing and liking the idea of "keeping the girl to themselves", even if they don't realise it?

Yes I do. As others have there's probably lots of other reasons for it too.

[tantric talents]

Interesting post and surprising revelation for me wrt sd numbers in the uk!

[Vice Admiral]

I’ve been browsing on Seeking.

Most of the girls' “Seeking” lists consists of some of these choices:
Luxury lifestyle
Emotional connection
Investor [!]
Vacations
Travel with you
Platonic [!]
Fine dining
Life of leisure

Fuck that for a game of soldiers!  (Or, in my case, sailors.)

Very few girls include the only two categories that point towards their being directly interested in the nitty-gritty, namely:
Friends with benefits
No strings attached

I'm beginning to think that Adult Work girls’ Enjoys Lists have a lot to be said for them...

At least you know what you’re going to get in return for your time and money.

(More or less…)

[freeze44]

Agree things are changing and modern tech and rising living standards are part of this reckon.

The sugar baby thing has been going on for a long time but was only for the wealthy previously. I used to live near one and she was kept by a guy, with her own place and imagine an allowance etc as long as she banged the old fart on a regular basis. Now the SB thing is wider spread as more have the means to have a 'bit on the side' and looking at the prices the SB's will settle for, it looks like there is quite a bit of competition which makes prices more affordable.

The internet has made selling all forms of sex much easier from cam girls to full sex. Would imagine the cam aspect is something quite a few wg's would chose if can make a decent fist out of it.

There will always be wg's though reckon and the internet helps sift the market and this site supports punters and is in my view central to ensuing we as punters get the best service as possible for the best value. That's why we need to keep an eye out for the fan boys, fluffy's and dickheads who don't realise that their cunt struck way's only serve to ensure we as punters get a worse service and pay higher rates! That would finish many of us of and shrink the market and fuck it up for all.

[tynetunnel]

A search made on Seeking for girls aged 18 to 35 who give Portsmouth as their location and who have joined the site within the last year gets 364 hits.

But, out of the 364 to have joined SA, 325 will have signed up and then never logged back in again after a few hours or days.... 

[Vice Admiral]

But, out of the 364 to have joined SA, 325 will have signed up and then never logged back in again after a few hours or days.... 

Ah.  Interesting observation.

[southern punter]

Very interesting number crunching guys.  Usually I am very sceptical of website visitor/member numbers, but what is really striking to me is that even if you ignore half of that 2 million as bot/fake profiles, and then ignore half of what's left as real but inactive accounts, and then ignore half of what's left as timewasters, you still end up with far more on seeking than AW.  I, too, had been distinctly unimpressed with AW's almost nonexistent British 20-something membership in my area for a while, and seen a few threads saying things had moved to Seeking, but this really puts it in perspective. 

It's a shame to me because Seeking has always struck me as the worst of both worlds TBH.  A major reason I started punting is to avoid all the "prove your worth by conspicuous consumption" crap.  I don't enjoy doing it and I don't want the company of people who buy into it.  Even if it worked out cheaper, it strikes me as less appealing.  Perhaps I am too harsh in assuming the majority of "sugar babys" are like that.

As an aside, in my town it seems like those in the demographic you want who DO decide to become fully fledged SW are more likely to appear in parlours than AW.  These days almost nobody in that age bracket has their own place to work from, and perhaps they find it easier/safer to use a parlour as a workplace than book hotels or do outcalls?  I don't know if the same can be observed in Portsmouth.

[mike63]

It did seem to me that looking at the original posts Portsmouth has about 30 British  girls on AW, of whom 3 are new within the last year. And it seems quite likely that some may have retired. My point is that you may only need a few new girls each year to replace retired girls and the total number stays at about 30. You are hardly likely to have 30 retiring and 30 new ones to replace them in a year, and if more enter than leave I assume some would find insufficient work. I think numbers might balance themselves out, rather than indicate it's dying.

[Herts_Outcaller]

So obviously it's not literally the "death" of the profession when both Adultwork , UKP and Agencies are still going strong.

You're only coming across very few providers as you're limiting by town, age, nationality, website, registration date AND last log-in date. If you said, say All of hampshire (reasonable driving distance), then included foreign workers and agency workers, then you'd probably have a more than 100 to chose from even without going above 35. There may be girls as well who'll still answer the phone even if they haven't logged in in a while.

One thing is, British call girls are naturally rarer as a % of the total than in previous decades for the same reason that British cleaners, nannys and minicab drivers have a lower % of British-born workers - these are the jobs that nobody wants to do, so they end up being done by immigrants.

Problem is that what some punters expect is a £60 British girl who includes anal , owo cim and dfk. Such girls are going to be very rare. If you were a girl growing up in the UK, even from a poor background, would you do it?

[Herts_Outcaller]

One hours drive (40 miles) of PO1 + Dislikes Bareback + 18-35 = 490 profiles to be fair

[Steely Dan]

I happen not to believe many of the numbers posted above.  I believe the raw AW numbers about Portsmouth - cant argue.  But why the focus on British only?  The SB numbers: Forget about 'ignore half' and conclude its more than AW.  More like ignore 95% as not real (e.g. joiners that don't really stay), and another 4% as not really going to end up fucking UKP members(time wasters, non sex daters, want really rich men, or want Love island hunks in trunks - whatever).  So that leaves 1%.  Maybe I am wrong...but I made up my numbers just like you lot did.

And as well as adding in the non Brits on AW , we can add in agencies and brothels and parties.  And these are fucking daily or hourly - the 1% 'real' SB girls might be doing it only once a week.

My estimate is still there is WAY more paid for sex on AW (and the other old sources) than seeking.  AW is still the market.  Just my judgement.

Price rise?  I believe the cost of AW girls has gone up less than the cost of a train journey over the last 10 years.  I must look at puntingwiki.  A few of us did a deep dive analysis of prices by region and nationality a few years back.  The key is to look at the cost of girls that we actually fuck, not any that post a profile. Perhaps I'll turn off Netflix and update the analysis.  Help welcome....

Meanwhile I am off to a 4 hour party tomorrow.  Which is the same price it was in 2013.  5 girls will be there.  2 Brits, one Spanish, one Czech  one TBD.  Similar to 2013.

[jesse4585]

....I made up my numbers just like you lot did. ...

In fairness the numbers we've posted are based as much as possible on searches & what's been reported in reasonably reliable sources, like some of the links I posted.

Maybe a high proportion of the reported 2 million Seeking sugar babes aren't active.  I'm 99% sure there's still many times as many genuine lasses on Seeking versus AW.  As above I've heard many times that about 1 in 5 female students are on Seeking or other sugar babe platforms. E.g. from friends with daughters at Uni.  There's no such talk about AW.

One thing you sceptics could try is next time you punt a student WG,  ask her to guess how many of her fellow students are sugar babes compared to on AW.    As said these things are now widely talked about on campus.  I'll eat my hat if you guys can find a student that thinks there's more active on AW.   

My estimate is still there is WAY more paid for sex on AW (and the other old sources) than seeking.  AW is still the market.  Just my judgement.
...

The amount of paid sex is quite a different thing than the number of active platform users.  You might well be right about this. I hope so anyway.

[Steely Dan]

We are in agreement of many things.  It seems you agree that it is the number of fucks, not the number of girls fucking for money, that matters.

One thing you sceptics could try is next time you punt a student WG,  ask her to guess how many of her fellow students are sugar babes compared to on AW.   

This is terrible market research.  Asking an escort about how many other escorts there are?  Birds of a feather flock together. Could be one in 5 of her social circle.  Meaningless.  Ask the Christian Union girls how many of their friends fuck for money.

I am 99% sure that all these numbers about 1 in 5 students fucking for money are made up by anti escort (anti austerity/anti Tory/anti tuition fees) activist types with an agenda.  People make up numbers and others report those numbers as most reliable.  One data source says it is 3%. And that include non-fucking sex work.  And this 3% comes from a site with a bias against sex work.

Of the 11 percent of students involved in unconventional methods to make money, three percent are partaking in adult work for financial sustenance, while four percent are turning to it in sudden cash crises. The most common forms of student adult work include ‘sugar dating’ (without sexual relations), sexting, phone sex, participating in live adult cam shows and even prostitution.

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[Blackpool Rock]

Indeed Vice Admiral.  My somewhat imprecise post may have overstated matters a little.

Still,  for me at least the shift you revealed from AW > Sugar Daddy platforms is a very real & interesting phenomena, and quite the untold story.  There's almost certainly over 10 Sugar Babes for each regular whore working AW, borthels & agencies etc.  Probably the ratio is over 20:1   But only a decade back it things were very different.

Back in 2010 very few in UK were using Seeking.

In 2012,  Seeking reported 50,000 sugar babes,  a decent number, but still less than the total of regular whores.
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Whereas now they apparently have over 2,000,000 !
According to this BBC documentary, the total number of UK Sugar Daddy platform users  (all platforms not just Seeking) is ~3.5 million!
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I'm not sure their claimed numbers are correct or as others have said that may be the number of girls on their register either genuine or fake but not necessarily the number of active girls
I've just (very quickly so i'm not claiming my numbers are 100% accurate) done a bit of research using the ONS data and the UK population is roughly 68 Million of which around 20% are under 16 (couldn't find the figure for 18 but close enough) and around 20% are over 65 leaving around 40 Million of which around half are female so 20 Million women age 16-65.
What age qualifies you to be classed as a "Sugar babe"  If we assume around 30 max then this means there are surely only about 5-6 Million qualifying girls in the UK of which they claim 2 Million are Sugar babes on their website (or 1 in every 2.5-3 girls in the country aged 18-30)
The BBC figure of 3.5 Million indicates that the majority of women are somehow on the game 

[BobAJobMan]

Some women seem to be shifting to, or starting out by, just doing camming or selling content on e.g. Only Fans. Not sure whether it's because they're worried about the safety of physical meets, or just find logistics difficult re. hotels etc., or just CBA.

[Vice Admiral]

I am 99% sure that all these numbers about 1 in 5 students fucking for money are made up by anti escort (anti austerity/anti Tory/anti tuition fees) activist types with an agenda.  People make up numbers and others report those numbers as most reliable.  One data source says it is 3%. And that include non-fucking sex work.  And this 3% comes from a site with a bias against sex work.External Link/Members Only

3% is probably not far off – although even that may be on the generous side.

Here's some more statistical analysis!

We'll stick to undergraduate students.

At present there are at most two or three girls in Portsmouth on Adult Work who are in the standard undergraduate age range (18 to 22) and who claim to be – or could conceivably be – students.  So we'll ignore Adult Work, and assume that most students selling sex are on Seeking.  (Of course there are other ways student girls can find punters, but we're taking a fairly broad-brush approach.)

On Seeking there are currently 214 girls aged from 18 to 22 in Portsmouth.  And there are approximately 20,000 undergraduate students at the University of Portsmouth.

Even if we make the generous assumption that every one of those 214 is (a) a Portsmouth University student and (b) genuinely prepared to have sex in exchange for money, that figure would represent just 1.07% of the undergraduate students at Portsmouth University.

[Vice Admiral]

The – itself statistically generous – 1.07% figure I give above in fact ties in reasonably well with the figure given in the extract from the survey report that Steely Dan quotes, since the activities of the 3% who regularly engage in selling sex in one way or another include "‘sugar dating’ (without sexual relations), sexting, phone sex, participating in live adult cam shows and even prostitution".

[sparkus]

By default these days, most of the WGs active on AW and VS are non-UK, certainly in London.

I rarely encounter anyone English working either in brothels, TCMs or selling rub and tug services on Gumtree.  The British women I've punted with (including those born here to, say, African parents) have not been comparable in service or offer to foreign born WGs. Funnily enough, the white British WGs I've met in brothels have all been hefty and the last two had both featured in wank mags for their hewge jugs.  I did fuck a British born Indian girl in a brothel a while back, she didn't stop talking.

However, I am sure there are still a fair few English women working in the profession but in more specialist ways e.g. through agencies or niche websites for BBWs and matures (both of which charge ridiculous rates).  The younger contingent will all be on SA as it's more socially acceptable, init.

[winkywanky]

Be it punters or WGs, if research simply adds up the number of providers and clients over all platforms, that ignores the basic fact that in both cases there will be the same people with multiple profiles and different 'personas'.

So if for example the average person was on two platforms, that's not two people, it's one. Multiply that by 100,000s and it's easy to see that stats canbe vastly over-inflated.

[smiths]

Whatever happens including a possible Nordic type model it most definitely wont be the death of prostitution, it will always find a way in a society like ours.

They may well be less home grown WGs about but I see no lack of WGs overall in my area, mainly EE and this has been the case for at least the last 10 years with Brit WGs charging a premium usually just because they are Brits.

What is the case though is there are less good WGs about in my experience than 10 years ago, A/W is now like wading knee deep in shit looking for a gem.

[smiths]

We are in agreement of many things.  It seems you agree that it is the number of fucks, not the number of girls fucking for money, that matters.This is terrible market research.  Asking an escort about how many other escorts there are?  Birds of a feather flock together. Could be one in 5 of her social circle.  Meaningless.  Ask the Christian Union girls how many of their friends fuck for money.

I am 99% sure that all these numbers about 1 in 5 students fucking for money are made up by anti escort (anti austerity/anti Tory/anti tuition fees) activist types with an agenda.  People make up numbers and others report those numbers as most reliable.  One data source says it is 3%. And that include non-fucking sex work.  And this 3% comes from a site with a bias against sex work.External Link/Members Only

And how many WGs advertise as students or at the punt tell punters they are students but aren't because they know it turns some blokes on, its always been a fantasy of some to punt with a student. So a smart WG thinks I shall exploit this and it could be kerching for her.

[freeze44]

And how many WGs advertise as students or at the punt tell punters they are students but aren't because they know it turns some blokes on, its always been a fantasy of some to punt with a student. So a smart WG thinks I shall exploit this and it could be kerching for her.

Yep...there a few who advertise as students who been knocking around for years! Must be on their PHD's by now!!