Conned on a bank transfer, advice please

[Thebuilderman]

I've been shafted tonight on a bank transfer.

First time doing this, found the girl on AW and her reviews read pretty well - 60 odd positive. To cut a long story short for some stupid reason I agreed to pay by bank transfer then the excuses started.

I've already contacted my bank, they've told me to wait until the morning just in case the money gets sent back but I don't think it will be. She's obviously assured me she's sent it back.

From a legal standpoint how honest do I need to be with them and the police? Because quite frankly I want her to swing for this. Unfortunately I don't have her full address, only a postcode, or I'd have already gone round and taken what's mine. The idea of banging on every door until I found her did cross my mind.

Rest assured too, once this is resolved I will be naming her - I just don't want to right now as she's unaware I'm involving the bank/potentially police .

[Malvolio]

You would have to be totally honest with the police for them to take you seriously - including giving them your personal details.

Never pay any money up front for a WG - that is not how punting works in this country.

[AnthG]

You won't get the money back. There is no way for the bank to return the money to you. I used to work in a bank so can say this for certain. It was some years ago though. But I doubt anything will have changed.

All the bank would be doing is asking her to make a bank transfer back to you. And if she is a crook she obviously wont do this.

The police are not going to do anything either. And especially if you tell them how you were conned, which I cannot personally think of a way around that as they will want to know why you sent her the money.

Your only option I can think is to get someone else with a different AW account to book her and get her full address and don't send her any more money.

[lewisjones23]

money is gone - you are a mug - post her link

that covers the basics, everything else is just filler

[Avg_Joe]

money is gone - you are a mug - post her link

that covers the basics, everything else is just filler

may sound harsh, but that's about the size of it

[Thebuilderman]

Yeah you're probably right. First and last for me, nasty little skank.

Lovelylilly121. Obviously just seen her feedback on here too, reads very differently to her AW feedback. If anyone wants to get me her address I'll drop you a finders fee.

[Horizontal pleasures]

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

[Thebuilderman]

I've just checked her AW profile, she's now residing halfway across the country from where she apparently was 6 hours ago.

I'll chalk it down to experience but I'll make sure reviews are left everywhere so nobody's tempted to make the same mistake I am.

[Avg_Joe]

here's another picture, she uploaded to a place, appropriately called "bentbox".co

Hidden Image/Members Only

start with a review here, look at others to get an idea of the format/things to include, and, if you have her bank account details, i'd at least post the back end of the account number so anyone searching that by chance, will also find her here

[Thebuilderman]

There really isn't much to include, not like I can comment on what she looks like.

[magnetico]

How much did you pay?

[Kev40ish]

You’ve got her number. Just post it on Tinder, Craigslist, offering freebies.

[Avg_Joe]

also, did you put any sort of booking request in? if so then you can leave feedback, also, hse has 2 dispputes showing already, hover over the ratings label and you'll get an info popup

also might be worth trying to start a dispute, if for no other reason than it will be another black mark against her when others look

[fallentrees1321]

You would have to be totally honest with the police for them to take you seriously - including giving them your personal details.

Never pay any money up front for a WG - that is not how punting works in this country.

This

and I doubt even if they had her details the police would be that willing to get involved

[hillingdonpete]

Post the bank details on here.
You can check to see if the sort code is one of those credit card/ PAYG type accounts.

I posted some details on here a while ago.

Anyway, why have you joined here and checked her FB after you made a booking?

[Thebuilderman]

I assumed AW feedback would be enough of a guide. Obviously not.

[ipreferbutts]

I assumed AW feedback would be enough of a guide. Obviously not.

I learned very quickly that AW feedback is basically a load of bollocks - full of fake reviews and negative reviews are rarely included by the escort (or if they are, the escort always blames the punter for the bad experience. Ever notice how it's never the escort's fault for the bad service? ). Alarm bells should be ringing when there's huge numbers of positive reviews for something and not one single negative review.

To give an analogy: Do you ever see a product on Amazon with ZERO negative reviews? It's basically unheard of that a product with 100+ reviews is going to leave everyone satisfied. There will always be a few people who were dissatisfied. Therefore, why should it be any different with an escort? Basic common sense should tell you this.


As for your situation - contact your bank, contact the police, post her bank details publicly on the internet wherever you can, give a negative review of her on here. Do everything you can, worth a shot at getting your money back. Although I doubt you will do unfortunately.

Anyone who asks for money over the internet is trying to scam you. Without question. This includes escorts asking for a "deposit" or escorts who request you to go on cam before you meet up. It's all designed to scam you out of your cash without actually delivering the services you requested.

[LLPunting]

Posting on here before you resolved things was dumb because she may well be aware of this site and she may have some fluffies who will tell her anyway.

Suggest you give your OH full control of your bank account and ask her to give you a cash allowance from now on.

[AnthG]

only a postcode

So you know her postcode. You could very easily then just send an anonymous letter to every single house in her street saying do you know in your street you have a prostitute and a thief living here. Here is her AW profile to show you who she is. Avoid this girl and don't let your kids go near her.

You won't get your money back, but you will get just desserts which is worth as much.

If its a street that is not that long. You could go to your local library and look on the electoral register for that street for girls living there around that age who also have not lived there for many years.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Builderman, suggest you bite the bullet on this one forget your losses and;

 DON'T DO IT AGAIN!

[Squire Haggard]

I've been shafted tonight on a bank transfer.

First time doing this, found the girl on AW and her reviews read pretty well - 60 odd positive. To cut a long story short for some stupid reason I agreed to pay by bank transfer then the excuses started.

I've already contacted my bank, they've told me to wait until the morning just in case the money gets sent back but I don't think it will be. She's obviously assured me she's sent it back.

From a legal standpoint how honest do I need to be with them and the police? Because quite frankly I want her to swing for this. Unfortunately I don't have her full address, only a postcode, or I'd have already gone round and taken what's mine. The idea of banging on every door until I found her did cross my mind.

Rest assured too, once this is resolved I will be naming her - I just don't want to right now as she's unaware I'm involving the bank/potentially police .

Create another account, then make a booking. That way you'll find her address.

[bhudda]

So you know her postcode. You could very easily then just send an anonymous letter to every single house in her street saying do you know in your street you have a prostitute and a thief living here. Here is her AW profile to show you who she is. Avoid this girl and don't let your kids go near her.

You won't get your money back, but you will get just desserts which is worth as much.

If its a street that is not that long. You could go to your local library and look on the electoral register for that street for girls living there around that age who also have not lived there for many years.

If she never intended to see him it may not be her real post code

[Knny]

No doubt she will be reading this.  She should know that some people would not take this lying down and she risks her well being.  Unless she plans to emmigrate or go completely underground, she can definitely be found.  Easily found. 

She should return the money and be more careful and honest in future.

[Titti Tatti]

To cut a long story short for some stupid reason I agreed to pay by bank transfer

Move along, just a regular car crash. Normal causes, only wallet and pride hurt.

[Waldorf salad]

Hang around at the postcode area, look for activity of comings amd goings. It wont take long to suss out her address

[jackdaw]

Hang around at the postcode area, look for activity of comings amd goings. It wont take long to suss out her address

He most likely hasn’t got her postcode! He’s got a postcode she gave him. She...or he...most likely lives somewhere completely different.

I have some sympathy with thebuilderman, scam is better worked than many. We all know AW feedback can be shite...but hers looks as convincing as most I’ve seen.

The key to avoiding it...of course..was “don’t pay for a punt in advance”, it practically always means it’s a scam.

[Blackpool Rock]

Yeah you're probably right. First and last for me, nasty little skank.

Lovelylilly121. Obviously just seen her feedback on here too, reads very differently to her AW feedback. If anyone wants to get me her address I'll drop you a finders fee.

So what you going to do go round and sort her out 
As posted she could have given you any postcode as she clearly moves around or at least says she is moving around.
Imagine sitting in your car staking out the houses in this postcode for people coming and going, before long you notice lots of people going into and out of a particular property so assume this is the girls house / flat etc so you ring the bell and a girl answers, then.......................
By your own admission you don't actually know what she looks like so the girl answering the door could be anyone and you could end up confronting an innocent person who notes your car reg as you leave or next door has picked you up on CCTV etc so they have your image.

I've been robbed and it's a shit feeling, your was by bank transfer, mine was face to face with the threat of being sorted out by the girls "friend".
Yes I contemplated making another booking to exact some sort of revenge by setting her up somehow but once I actually thought about it and the consequences to myself / what I had to lose then I concluded it was better to bite the bullet and cut my losses.
I still haven't forgotten my experience and it still pisses me off but i've learned from it and like you actually signed up to UKP as a result of it where i have received help and advise worth far more than the girl stole from me.
Forget the money it's long gone but you have done what you can by posting a Negative review on here which will hopefully help other ;punters from being ripped off 

[shagmore]

rule #1 of punting, Don't ever pay before you see the WG
rule #2 If things go south, don't expect sympathy from people on here for your stupidity.

[piotrskut]

honestly why the fuck did you pay her with a bank transfer when her first answer is "At the beginning of our meeting please Cash only"?  charles darwin was 100% right   

[DaVINCI]

rule #1 of punting, Don't ever pay before you see the WG
rule #2 If things go south, don't expect sympathy from people on here for your stupidity.

I’d agree with this and to think there was a thread were a good few were saying a WG should implement a deposit to avert timewasters. 

[shagmore]

charles darwin was 100% right 

Brilliant, sums it up

[Thebuilderman]

rule #1 of punting, Don't ever pay before you see the WG
rule #2 If things go south, don't expect sympathy from people on here for your stupidity.

Show me where I asked for sympathy? I didn't.

[Jonestown]

There is no way to get your money back without potentially getting yourself into serious legal difficulties, she probably knows more about you than you do about her, so you have done what needs to be done by alerting the punting community, just walk away from this now. At some point down the line she will no doubt pull a stunt with someone who will give her a good smacking, karma is a wonderful thing.

[The Film Director]

Couldn't see anything on her profile about requiring an up front bank transfer 

[DaVINCI]

Show me where I asked for sympathy? I didn't.

I think this was a general response, can l ask, was this a small deposit  or was this the full amount for the length of booking 

[Punterperson1971]

Can’t you ask bank to do a charge back ??

[Avg_Joe]

I guess you could always report her for undeclared income, cause i bet she's claiming benefits as well

[Jimmyredcab]

Never pay any money up front for a WG - that is not how punting works in this country.

As a general rule you are correct ------------------- however many women in the Dominatrix scene now insist on a deposit to make a booking, this is down to the huge number of timewasters, no deposit ---- no booking.   

[smiths]

As a general rule you are correct ------------------- however many women in the Dominatrix scene now insist on a deposit to make a booking, this is down to the huge number of timewasters, no deposit ---- no booking.   

NEVER pay a WG a deposit is excellent advice, if you allow yourself to be manipulated by these WGs that's up to you. Some us call the tune on how we punt as we are the ones paying.

[magnetico]

Can’t you ask bank to do a charge back ??

You're thinking card payments. It's not what he's done.

[magnetico]

How much did you pay?

?

[RedKettle]

I have been scammed once - the old "husband/boyfriend" turning up just after the cash is handed over.  I contemplated a physical retaliation at that point to get my money back but a second's thought got me to deciding I had alot more to lose then the cash.  Depends on your circumstances but at that stage in my life my marriage and my career would have been at risk if done for thumping the "husband/boyfriend".  As for using force on a woman you are always at risk whatever the rights or wrongs of your case.

I chalked it up to experience, wrote a red review on here, and moved on.

It was gratifying some months later when the woman was jailed for similar offences!! 

[wristjob]

There is no way to get your money back without potentially getting yourself into serious legal difficulties

That exactly. I don't know how much better the OP would feel at adding a conviction and maybe jail time to his financial loss but it wouldn't suit me.

Depending on how much you really have to lose I would still try the police. You didn't do anything wrong . My best guess is they would say give it 6 months to see if she comes good on the sex or a refund and then go back.

[WARSZAWA16]

Let's face it, you have been incredibly naive here. Best not to dwell on it too much though as, unfortunately, with the best will in the world, you won't get be getting your money back (sorry to be blunt but that's the way it obviously seems). You will just have to put it down to experience and move on I'm afraid. 

[Cervixbanger]

That exactly. I don't know how much better the OP would feel at adding a conviction and maybe jail time to his financial loss but it wouldn't suit me.

Depending on how much you really have to lose I would still try the police. You didn't do anything wrong . My best guess is they would say give it 6 months to see if she comes good on the sex or a refund and then go back.

I'm not certain the police would even be interested - isn't this a civil, not criminal, matter? You paid for a service which was not delivered and you want your money back. That sounds like commercial breach of contract. Anyone here with legal knowledge like to comment on my view?

[AnthG]

I'm not certain the police would even be interested - isn't this a civil, not criminal, matter? You paid for a service which was not delivered and you want your money back. That sounds like commercial breach of contract. Anyone here with legal knowledge like to comment on my view?

The police wont be bothered anyway. There is no other way to say it. They wont be bothered.

[Rochelle]

I learned very quickly that AW feedback is basically a load of bollocks - full of fake reviews and negative reviews are rarely included by the escort (or if they are, the escort always blames the punter for the bad experience. Ever notice how it's never the escort's fault for the bad service? ). Alarm bells should be ringing when there's huge numbers of positive reviews for something and not one single negative review.

To give an analogy: Do you ever see a product on Amazon with ZERO negative reviews? It's basically unheard of that a product with 100+ reviews is going to leave everyone satisfied. There will always be a few people who were dissatisfied. Therefore, why should it be any different with an escort? Basic common sense should tell you this.


As for your situation - contact your bank, contact the police, post her bank details publicly on the internet wherever you can, give a negative review of her on here. Do everything you can, worth a shot at getting your money back. Although I doubt you will do unfortunately.

Anyone who asks for money over the internet is trying to scam you. Without question. This includes escorts asking for a "deposit" or escorts who request you to go on cam before you meet up. It's all designed to scam you out of your cash without actually delivering the services you requested.

Not anyone, some. I often ask for deposits. I go on outcalls outside London and I always ask for a deposit for my train fare and it's always sent.

[DaVINCI]

I'm not certain the police would even be interested - isn't this a civil, not criminal, matter? You paid for a service which was not delivered and you want your money back. That sounds like commercial breach of contract. Anyone here with legal knowledge like to comment on my view?

lt is a Criminal matter (fraud) and the Police should be looking into but IMO there is not a chance they will.    

The OP would be best putting it down to experience and move on. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

[SlamBoy]

Post the bank details on here.
You can check to see if the sort code is one of those credit card/ PAYG type accounts.

I posted some details on here a while ago.

Anyway, why have you joined here and checked her FB after you made a booking?

Do NOT do this. If you do, you could open yourself up to all sorts of criminal and civil problems relating to data protection etc. etc.

If what you describe is correct, then she could be regarded as having committed a criminal offence. The offence of 'obtaining a money transfer by deception' used to be governed by section 15A of the Theft Act 1968. But it was repealed by Schedule 1 of the Fraud Act 2006. The offence is now governed by section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 as is known as 'fraud by false representation'.

If you wanted to get the police involved you would have to make full disclosure. She is, of course, relying on you being too embarrassed to do that. But that is your option.

Either go to the police and report the offence (and they will have the evidence of the communications and the money trail through your bank to pursue it) or put it down to experience and learn from it.

[SlamBoy]

The police wont be bothered anyway. There is no other way to say it. They wont be bothered.

That is not true.