Do former BB'ers deserve a second chance?

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

Would you book a girl who has offered BB in the past but has now stopped, or would  a WG always be out of bounds like radioactive waste

for years if not forever?  Would her hottness be a factor, or all-clear documentation? or length of time passed with no further BB reports?

Or would all BB'ers remain always on your "no way Jose" list?  Just asking!

[hunkybc]

For me I would try and avoid...I get that it's a past thing, but  it would be too risky!

[PunterNumber69]

How do you really know she's stopped?

Polygraph machines are usually a bit cumbersome to take to bookings.

[LLPunting]

What would be your reassurance?

She's crazy and found religion?
She's got an unshakeable conscience and a communicable, incurable STI?

If you are risk averse about known BB'ers then there is no returning.  Second chances are only offered by those who have a fixation that's over-riding good sense.  Any consequences are all on the punter who dives back in, just like the fool who plays with the gun he knows was once loaded and looks the same now.

[PaulRuff]

All girls are BBing someone...husband, boyfriend, ex, pimp, 'special' clients, all & sundry...don't kid yourself that any of them make EVERYONE who slings it up them use protection.

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

What would be your reassurance?

She's crazy and found religion?
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If you are risk averse about known BB'ers then there is no returning.  Second chances are only offered by those who have a fixation that's over-riding good sense.  Any consequences are all on the punter who dives back in, just like the fool who plays with the gun he knows was once loaded and looks the same now.

That second one  scared the crap out of me, LL..

Some of the best known/popular SP's reviewed on this site probably BB'ed someone at some point

(some dodgy Sergei/punter) yet we as punters are comfortable with that risk.

An SP who has...let's say seen the error of her past risky activities and openly renounced it we would be less comfortable with?

True, there would be no fool-proof way of knowing 100% if she still does it  (polygraph machines are rather bulky)

apart from someone blowing her cover ( with evidence) but isn't that true up to a point with ALL SP's?

ALL SP's are a loaded gun we all play with.  Why the division?

[LLPunting]

That second one  scared the crap out of me, LL..

Some of the best known/popular SP's reviewed on this site probably BB'ed someone at some point

(some dodgy Sergei/punter) yet we as punters are comfortable with that risk.

An SP who has...let's say seen the error of her past risky activities and openly renounced it we would be less comfortable with?

True, there would be no fool-proof way of knowing 100% if she still does it  (polygraph machines are rather bulky)

apart from someone blowing her cover ( with evidence) but isn't that true up to a point with ALL SP's?

ALL SP's are a loaded gun we all play with.  Why the division?

It's the difference in number of live bullets in the cylinder or magazine and the decreasing number of empty cartridges.

[Hobbit]

Would you book a girl who has offered BB in the past but has now stopped, or would  a WG always be out of bounds like radioactive waste

for years if not forever?  Would her hottness be a factor, or all-clear documentation? or length of time passed with no further BB reports?

Or would all BB'ers remain always on your "no way Jose" list?  Just asking!

All girls bareback Someone. If you don't like it, then find a different hobby like gardening, it's much safer.

This business has risks from beginning to end and all punters know that.

[unclepokey]

Surely the point is that many SPs are BB with partners/spouses. And some are BB ing with punters.
You takes the risks  or you cover up regardless of who you fuck or are fucked by or indeed who has been the fucker or fuckee of the individual you wish to fuck.
Giving anybody a 2nd chance is entirely not the point.

[pantywetter]

Ha, climb down off your high horse.

We are punters who pay to fuck many women with no idea where they’ve been. 

Some would consider us “radioactive waste”.

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

All girls bareback Someone. If you don't like it, then find a different hobby like gardening, it's much safer.

This business has risks from beginning to end and all punters know that.

Not sure how you got to this conclusion from what I wrote above Mr H, punting is a risk, we all know and accept that.

But would a former BB'er be a consideration for your TDL or forever banned/binned and why the division since both camps are risky?

Just a debate and not getting at anyone.

[Plan R]

There's one girl (I'm going to assume providing a link would be defamatory in this context ?).
I'd really like to punt her - but when her profile first went up a couple of years back,  it included BB.

She's a Rom, and I think it's arguable that BB might have been included as English is not her first language,
but as much as I'd like too ....it's just too risky

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[mradventures]

many rom profiles state BB when the profile goes up for some reason :/

[WelshClipper]

many rom profiles state BB when the profile goes up for some reason :/

ROM’s have a bad habit of just ticking every box willy nilly. They are the best most passionate intense do-anything escorts out there 

Usually BB disappears soon afterwards when Sergei checks the profile and removes “likes” he thinks will lose business.

There is some conjecture in my response 

[LLPunting]

ROM’s have a bad habit of just ticking every box willy nilly. They are the best most passionate intense do-anything escorts out there 

Usually BB disappears soon afterwards when Sergei checks the profile and removes “likes” he thinks will lose business.

There is some conjecture in my response 

Conjecture and sarcasm are not the same.

[Clitheroelad]

All girls are BBing someone...husband, boyfriend, ex, pimp, 'special' clients, all & sundry...don't kid yourself that any of them make EVERYONE who slings it up them use protection.

Thats a very valid point. Theres been an intersting discussion 9n the NW board about BB'ers andbtheir clients.

[funfungoodguy]

Setting aside the really rough end of the trade where all sorts of things go on - associations with narcotics, trafficking and so on, that's off the Rader for most punters, so I'm focussing on the generally more respectable aspect of punting and SPs;

In that part of the market the offering of unprotected sex is frowned upon as are traffickers and drug users.
A punter expects the WG to present clean premises, a nicely presented girl, who observes decent standards of sexual health management and the punter is expected to do the same.

That said punting is not risk free, paying to have sex with a girl who makes a job of it, and maybe sucking another guys cock a few minutes before you got there does bring risks that one accepts. i expect most blokes that do this have had some kind of STI at some point and had to nip off to the GUM clinic to get it sorted.

The above maybe kind of rounds up how i expect punting goes for most blokes?

But there are girls who transgress and get a reputation for barebacking, in this forum these are considered unacceptable and stepping outside the standard one expects. the same applies for the girls who continued to trade during lockdowns (when they didn't have to - i mean the ones with sound finances or other work) - when most of us were having to stay at home, those WGs decided to stuff the rest of us and continue to trade.

Being a whore, deciding to work as a prostitute (sometimes alongside or instead of really very decent other work - they are not all just dummies who couldn't do anything else)  - even a reasonably respectable one, does mean getting your head round having sex of all sorts with multiple random guys without knowing their history, with the aim of making money out of it. A seasoned swinger perhaps has less of a hurdle to cross.

But those who let standards drop offering unprotected sex and trading during the pandemic and so on have shown they have lesser standards and for my money are not likely ever to suddenly restore higher standards. In any line of work letting standards drop just to make more money is generally seen as roguish and unscrupulous or greedy.

No second chances - there are loads of other girls
FF
 

[cotton]

What is the hysteria around hookers that bareback ? - if you as a punter wear a condom then you are looking after your own safety irrespective if she is barebacking every tom dick and abdul 

[Hobbit]

Not sure how you got to this conclusion from what I wrote above Mr H, punting is a risk, we all know and accept that.

But would a former BB'er be a consideration for your TDL or forever banned/binned and why the division since both camps are risky?

Just a debate and not getting at anyone.

Well, when I look for hookers, BB is not one of my search criteria. For me, the most important thing is DFK, Swallow, and enthusiasm. If they meet that criteria then I would consider seeing them.

The question you are asking has no validity because as I've explained already ALL hookers bareback someone and therefore there is no such thing as a "former barebacker". I don't really know how simpler I can make it for you to understand. Maybe someone here could turn this into a nursery rhyme for you to understand?

[daviemac]

What is the hysteria around hookers that bareback ? - if you as a punter wear a condom then you are looking after your own safety irrespective if she is barebacking every tom dick and abdul 

Not the way I look at it, if I have sexual contact with someone who has an STI the chance of me catching it are infinitely higher than if I have sexual contact with someone who hasn't.

An escort who barebacks any punter who walks through the door is at a far higher risk of catching something than one who only barebacks a trusted partner or even trusted regs.

It's all down to the risk you are prepared to take, personally I'll avoid the one's who bareback all comers, condoms don't give 100% protection.

[cotton]

Not the way I look at it, if I have sexual contact with someone who has an STI the chance of me catching it are infinitely higher than if I have sexual contact with someone who hasn't.

An escort who barebacks any punter who walks through the door is at a far higher risk of catching something than one who only barebacks a trusted partner or even trusted regs.

It's all down to the risk you are prepared to take, personally I'll avoid the one's who bareback all comers, condoms don't give 100% protection.

Thats true. I guess it depends how far you allow the fear of disease to disrupt your punting behaviour , i mean we are all rightly concerned about the issue of disease , some people with an exceedingly elevated concern probably woudnt touch any hookers , for me personally id be satisfied with the risk management afforded by wearing a condom for sex but dont do RO (anymore). I guess if i was including RO on the menu i would be more inclined to exclude barebackers , otherwise to exclude barebackers on the hypothetical risk of catching something while even wearing a condom seems to me excessively cautious , altho i can understand it for those with the additional liability of having partners etc they must be extra careful, but then if your already operating at such a high level of risk awareness your almost at the point of is it wise do it at all because there is always some risks however safe a scenario looks.

[stevedave]

there is no such thing as a "former barebacker".

This pretty much hits the nail on the head for me 

[funfungoodguy]

This pretty much hits the nail on the head for me 

My thoughts exactly. Manage the risks associated with punting - avoid Barebackers.

[B4bcock]

The question you are asking has no validity because as I've explained already ALL hookers bareback someone and therefore there is no such thing as a "former barebacker". I don't really know how simpler I can make it for you to understand. Maybe someone here could turn this into a nursery rhyme for you to understand?

Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, her fanny all smelly and slack

Little Boy Blue fancied a screw and asked her to go bareback

“I’ll pay extra cash to fuck your gash and fill you with spunk inside

Don’t worry about health, it’s all about wealth, if you get pregnant I’ll make you my bride”

Miss M looked askance and said “NO FUCKING CHANCE! That’s an option I never will choose!”

“But look here, Honey, I’ve got loads of money – enough for some Louboutin shoes”

“Oh, alright then”

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

Now that is a Rhyme!..

B4cock..

[Hobbit]

Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, her fanny all smelly and slack

Little Boy Blue fancied a screw and asked her to go bareback

“I’ll pay extra cash to fuck your gash and fill you with spunk inside

Don’t worry about health, it’s all about wealth, if you get pregnant I’ll make you my bride”

Miss M looked askance and said “NO FUCKING CHANCE! That’s an option I never will choose!”

“But look here, Honey, I’ve got loads of money – enough for some Louboutin shoes”

“Oh, alright then”

Well written. 

[stevedave]

Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, her fanny all smelly and slack

Little Boy Blue fancied a screw and asked her to go bareback

“I’ll pay extra cash to fuck your gash and fill you with spunk inside

Don’t worry about health, it’s all about wealth, if you get pregnant I’ll make you my bride”

Miss M looked askance and said “NO FUCKING CHANCE! That’s an option I never will choose!”

“But look here, Honey, I’ve got loads of money – enough for some Louboutin shoes”

“Oh, alright then”

 

[misterm]

For me it depends, was it years ago or weeks ago ? was it just a box ticked in error, or did it actually happen ?

I'd not say never give a second chance, but I would want to see robust messaging on profile stating it wasn't available (not just not on likes list) and a few months to have passed at a absolute minimum (to account for window period of STI tests).

Of course given 2 identically attractive profiles, one with a known history the other not, its clear who would win out

[Happiness]

Personally, I wouldn't ever punt someone that used to bareback at any stage - obviously we can't always know, but if I find intel they ever did BB then I completely avoid. We also can't know for sure that they don't still do it sometimes if they "used to".

[stampjones]

My view is its about how you personally feel about the risks involved. For me, my basic rational is as described by DM. If they advertise bb they get a lot of unprotected sex and are much more likely to have an sti and therefore much more likely give it to me so I avoid. I accept that I might unknowingly see someone who does bb on the qt, but thats a much lower risk imo as the numbers are likely lower. As soon as she is exposed though I treat her the same as those who advertise as I assume all the bb fans will be straight on her and her numbers will go up. I treat reformed bbers the same - they did it before and are therefore likely to still attract bb punters so higher risk and therefore not for me.  Point is I dont really care whether they have reformed or not - for me they are still in the high risk category

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

For me it depends, was it years ago or weeks ago ? was it just a box ticked in error, or did it actually happen ?

I'd not say never give a second chance, but I would want to see robust messaging on profile stating it wasn't available (not just not on likes list) and a few months to have passed at a absolute minimum (to account for window period of STI tests).

Of course given 2 identically attractive profiles, one with a known history the other not, its clear who would win out

I am with you on this Mr M...misterm..

Like you, with 2 profiles, the girl who's an active BB'er wouldn't get a second thought as would most sensible punters.. but a girl who once upon a time

with at least 6 months/a year clear, did offer it but now refuses and denounces all requests with no reports of anyone BB'ing her, then the risk there

would be as with any other SP, so I guess I would never say never, but even then that would be a hard bridge to cross, mentally. 

People make mistakes, people change, people grow, etc..former smokers, former criminals and yes former BB'ers, we're human not robots,

so...second chance?

[LLPunting]

I am with you on this Mr M...misterm..

Like you, with 2 profiles, the girl who's an active BB'er wouldn't get a second thought as would most sensible punters.. but a girl who once upon a time

with at least 6 months/a year clear, did offer it but now refuses and denounces all requests with no reports of anyone BB'ing her, then the risk there

would be as with any other SP, so I guess I would never say never, but even then that would be a hard bridge to cross, mentally. 

People make mistakes, people change, people grow, etc..former smokers, former criminals and yes former BB'ers, we're human not robots,

so...second chance?

Testing only confirms the testee wasn't infectious at the time of testing for the STIs that were tested for and was likely clear of those that can actually be eliminated

HIV can take years to manifest as an infection whereupon the detected viral load makes a person an infection risk.  Unless you can be CERTAIN of her effective anti-HIV protocols and see evidence of ongoing, repeated HIV testing with "undetected" as the outcome then she's still a ticking timebomb based on the risks she's already taken.  Who (SP or not) is going to publicly evidence their ongoing sexual health testing with their real identity openly displayed?

Relying on reporting or lack thereof on AW or UKP only proves how much you're willing to delude yourself for the sake of a fuck, otherwise realised as your approach to risk, which has little to do with the actual risk involved.

Syphilis can be carried asymptomatically or unnoticed and still be infectious.

How do you establish confidence or certainty in a claimed behavioural change?
The only thing you can have confidence in is the evidence of her past, unprotected promiscuity, and that has a cumulative impact on the risk one individual presents compared to another.

[drillaaaa]

everybody can change therefore deserves a second chance 

[Colston36]

Surely the point is that many SPs are BB with partners/spouses. And some are BB ing with punters.
You takes the risks  or you cover up regardless of who you fuck or are fucked by or indeed who has been the fucker or fuckee of the individual you wish to fuck.
Giving anybody a 2nd chance is entirely not the point.

Couldn't agree more. Anyhow it's their decision - and ours. I have barebacked sometimes in the last 6 years - and before that did all the time as I can't manage with condoms. In all that time - nearly 7 decades - I caught something just twice, at the very start from a 17 year old.

[Jomoore]

Always a gripping topic this one 

I think there's a division.  If someone has ever advertised Bb, then I'd always avoid, as you can just imagine the succession of activity that has taken place  and the underlying mentality.

On the other hand there's a category of lass who have either been reported on as having done it/ agreed to do it during the punt, or who have been accused of it with no evidence but with a suspicion that someone with a grudge was trying to damage their reputation.  This is a much more complex category and needs to be treated on individual merit/ risk assessment.

Plus of course as has been widely acknowledged already, use a condom yourself and you're largely protected.  The remainder of the element of risk is something we tackle day in, day out in this hobby isn't it.

[Markc]

As most have said we and the escorts we see have all barebacked at sometime in our life.
When l fuck the wife sometimes l wear a condom and sometimes l don’t. But l don’t see myself
as barebacker and the escort l see regularly about once a month l know she has unprotected
sex with her boyfriend but always uses condoms with me and all her other clients.

As long as we all use condoms when we see a working girl if she is barebacking now or has in the
past we should be safe. This hobby does carry some risks and l suppose catching something is one of them.

[filthy.john]

Ha, climb down off your high horse.

We are punters who pay to fuck many women with no idea where they’ve been. 

Some would consider us “radioactive waste”.

Exactly this...

I do think this crusade against BBers is lacking in intellectual rigour and beyond all practical common sense.
By all means highlight those who have a completely carefree attitude to it but it seems to me that anyone with an ounce of common dog would know it only needs one mouldy apple to infect the entire apple cart. By all means, if you want to try to keep your distance from the mouldy apple do so but you need to realise you're just playing a dangerous game with unknown quantities.   

[Home Alone]

I KNOW the SP I see most often barebacks in her private life; she's told me so about the bloke she's seeing at the moment and, knowing her as I do, I'm sure he won't have been the first. Or will be the last.

And I'm fairly certain that 99% - minimum - of the SPs I've seen over the years will have barebacked the blokes in their private lives, too.

That's okay; apart from one visit ten or eleven years ago to an SP - one of my then-Regulars, which I've previously mentioned on here - I've never bare-backed an SP. And on that occasion, I got in touch the next day with my local clinic, who eventually gave me a clear bill of sexual health.

So, while I'd never book an SP who offers clients bare-backing, I know what the risks are and I guess I expose myself to some of them whenever I give any RO to any SP I visit. But that's my choice; I LOVE giving RO and if it leads to me contracting symptoms of a sexually-transmitted disease, then I'll contact the local clinic asap.

[bbwandy72]

It's your life, and your call. For me the answer is no. If she's publicly offered bareback, she's shown herself to not be the sharpest tool in the box and the risk of seeing her is significantly higher than someone that barebacks a relatively few number of people in their private life. Has she turned over a new page? Maybe. Or maybe not. I've seen a lot of escorts lie about a lot of things on their profiles. Do you trust them enough to be telling the truth? I don't think it's worth the risk, and there are plenty of other choices in the sweetie shop. You may have a different opinion. Yes, this has meant that I've missed out on some that I'd really like to have seen. So be it.

[myothernameis]

Would you book a girl who has offered BB in the past but has now stopped, or would  a WG always be out of bounds like radioactive waste

If I liked the look of an escort, and on here it came up, she might offer bare back, in general it wouldn't bother me.   If she had a cracking body, or a service I would like, like squirting I might consider booking her

Now I would know the risks, and like anything, it wouldn't be straight forward, I would consider the risks, do I or not

[myothernameis]

I have barebacked sometimes in the last 6 years - and before that did all the time as I can't manage with condoms. In all that time - nearly 7 decades - I caught something just twice, at the very start from a 17 year old.

I have only barebacked with two escorts, and this happened in the early 90's, from these two escorts, never caught anything.  For me one of them was just by accident, and continued from there on.   This went on for around the next 2 years, and to me it was the best sex, i had ever had.   Mind you I was in my mid 20's, and possibly couldn't grasp the risks, in later years I have thought did this escort offer this to other punters.  As in the area, she was known as dirty girl, and some even called her nymphomaniac

The other escort had been seeing her for 6 months, and she brought up the subject, so we fucked bare back.   But soon found out, she was touting for business, and to happen from her flat.  Soon found out she was a drug user, and the massage parlor to her to never come back, so i stopped seeing her

[Band1t]

Would you book a girl who has offered BB in the past but has now stopped, or would  a WG always be out of bounds like radioactive waste

Yes, as long as I was sure it was no longer offered.

[Whiteknight]

It's just not worth taking any risk if you can't be certain she still BB or not.  Just think about had you caught anything, how will it affect you personally?

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

I tried to put my money where my mouth is and lined up a punt with a well known ex-bare-backer. 

Although no reports of her BB'ing anyone for well over a year now,  the time came and my bottle went so made a polite

excuse and cancelled.  I do love my adventures "Downtown" and because of this I knew that would be a bridge I couldn't cross psychologically.

[Atrueyorkie]

Protect yourself. I’d rather avoid and make sure I have peace of mind.

Why put yourself at risk for the sake of some pussy. It can’t be that good to consider your health.

In short my personal answer is no.

All this “she’s bb someone” is true “BUT”:

If that comes to my attention (I.e. I see a video she bb in) I’d personally strike her off my list. I’m trying to eliminate any risk.

Don’t play with fire, you’ll get burnt

[Whiteknight]

Protect yourself. I’d rather avoid and make sure I have peace of mind.

Why put yourself at risk for the sake of some pussy. It can’t be that good to consider your health.

In short my personal answer is no.

All this “she’s bb someone” is true “BUT”:

If that comes to my attention (I.e. I see a video she bb in) I’d personally strike her off my list. I’m trying to eliminate any risk.

Don’t play with fire, you’ll get burnt

Totally understand your logic, if there are any evidence of BB, you stayed well clear from her.  But seeing good escorts still not risk free.

It's common and we don't know and can't be certain, some SP do BB UTC either as extra or for free to earn regulars, I have had personal experience and incidences like this before, rare but it's out there.

And some do BB on a drunken night out too or with new sexual partner from dating sites.

So there is always a hidden risk for us.

I suppose, protected sex, oral or penetration and no going down on her is the safer option.

[mrwhite]

I'd actively avoid someone that advertises BB - just in case, however:

As others have said, a lot of new profiles (especially where English is a second language) tick all the likes boxes not necessarily knowing what they mean.

There are women out there who post that they don't BB, but more than one of my regulars has in the past got pregnant - pretty sure it wasn't immaculate conception, whilst they may not have been BB the punters they were BB someone!

Do you actively avoid profiles who state they are/have been pregnant/milf (or even gilf) - they have all BB'd someone.

You may presumably have BB with your wife/gf/fuckbuddy/random pick up, should a SP refuse your custom as you have been a barebacker?

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

I'd actively avoid someone that advertises BB - just in case, however:

As others have said, a lot of new profiles (especially where English is a second language) tick all the likes boxes not necessarily knowing what they mean.

There are women out there who post that they don't BB, but more than one of my regulars has in the past got pregnant - pretty sure it wasn't immaculate conception, whilst they may not have been BB the punters they were BB someone!

Do you actively avoid profiles who state they are/have been pregnant/milf (or even gilf) - they have all BB'd someone.

You may presumably have BB with your wife/gf/fuckbuddy/random pick up, should a SP refuse your custom as you have been a barebacker?

A good point, as quite a few of us probably  do BB with partners/FB's/Pickups/etc,  but if SP's avoided us because of it they'd soon go broke and stacking

shelves in Tesco's.  But for an SP to swear she doesn't do BB anymore she risks her credibility being blown out the water by a punter on here or other

sites saying that he had BB'ed her recently.  She'd be putting a lot on the line if found to be lying and looking a lot worst for her.

I guess if we step back and look at it, is the term "Second Chance" even relevant?

Between us Punters and SP's, there's Girlfriends/Partners/FB's/Randoms/Sergei's/Milfs/Affairs/UTC's/Boyfriends/SB's/SA etc,

aren't we all in this risky/shaky Ship the "SS Punting"?

Just never forget your 'Life preserver'..

[Frustrated gentleman]

Surely, it boils down to your own levels of risk management. In my opinion, if you don’t have all the facts, i.e. if you can’t prove  the barebacking has stopped, then you cannot adequately manage the risk.

[Hobbit]

I've said it before and I will say it again. Everyone Barebacks or has Barebacked in their lives, so get over it!

This hobby is not for the fainthearted, and if you are trembling at the thought of someone barebacking, then you should quit and take up Polo. It is extremely fun and a good way of making friends.