Whats A Fair Price for a Punt

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I think that because it's unskilled it should be low unless you have a decent reputation I can honestly say I've only seen less than a handful of memorable punts the rest were shit and a waste of my money

Just because a lady doesn't have a diploma from the University of Escorting doesn't mean that she's unskilled.

[Sadgit]

Relax dude.

LOL

It makes me laugh no matter how many times I say I have no intention of trying to change the status quo some of the replies totally bypass this comment and gear their reply as if Im trying to change the industry.

I am merely pointing out what I believe to be a fact....Its a buyers market.
There are more WG's than you can shake a stick at and thats a FACT.

Unless they have a better financial alternative they would punt for less....FACT.
Do I intend to do anything about it....Why the phuck would I... FACT

I just find it incredible how people read what they want from a post and ignore other facts if it doesnt support the point there trying to make.
Points raised on PRICE, LOCATION,
On closer inspection they would realize there points are irrelevant to as they only address the statements I made in their distorted version of what is actually in print.

Pointing out your idea is naive in the extreme is a contribution. It may even be a valuable one.

What we are discussing is a pricnciple of economics and market forces.
Unfortunately I cant take credit for the principles of economics that is being applied so its NOT my idea.....Geez are you for real !!

Dont hate the players....hate the game 

[wristjob]

I think that because it's unskilled it should be low unless you have a decent reputation I can honestly say I've only seen less than a handful of memorable punts the rest were shit and a waste of my money

Well, often what you are paying for is a girls looks, which I guess is a parallel to intelligence, sporting skill - the factor that makes it so just anyone can't do it. Now anyone can be an escort, but then anyone can be a footballer, but not one people want to go and see.

I'd also say it is very much a skilled profession - certainly with regards to some girls. Plenty who can't be bothered to learn those skills just as in any job.

I guess the other thing is it's a bit more personal than most jobs, and there are risks too. Sometimes I walk out from seeing a stunning girl and can't believe I can pay a relatively small amount of money and got to do pretty much what I wanted with her. Cmon, we've all thrown hundreds at civvy girls and never even got a sniff and probably rarely as hot as the girls we've punted with.

[wristjob]

I am merely pointing out what I believe to be a fact....Its a buyers market.
There are more WG's than you can shake a stick at and thats a FACT.

Unless they have a better financial alternative they would punt for less....FACT.

A buyers market only really applies to something you need to sell.

Things have minimum prices as well. If some guy wanted to do me up the jacksie and offered me £10m I take it. if he then dropped it to £10 cos nobody was going to pay more (a valid point) then I think I'd give it a miss. People have their price and I guess there's a minimum to be willing to get intimate with a total stranger who you may find hideous. Sure some people have no choice (ie drug addicts) and then it comes cheap - and those girls don't appeal to most of us. Most other girls have the choice not to do itm and at lower prices they won't

[Sadgit]

Relax dude.

LOL

It makes me laugh no matter how many times I say I have no intention of trying to change the status quo some of the replies totally bypass this comment and gear their reply as if Im trying to change the industry.

I am merely pointing out what I believe to be a fact....Its a buyers market.
There are more WG's than you can shake a stick at and thats a FACT.

Unless they have a better financial alternative they would punt for less....FACT.
Do I intend to do anything about it....Why the phuck would I... FACT

I just find it incredible how people read what they want from a post and ignore other facts if it doesnt support the point there trying to make.
Points raised on PRICE, LOCATION are totally missing the point.

The arguments stating this would never work may well be right but I havent seen a single argument based on the economic laws of supply and demand and the lack of any USP to support their argument .

On closer inspection they should realize there points are irrelevant  as they only address the statements I made in their distorted version of what is actually in print.

Pointing out your idea is naive in the extreme is a contribution. It may even be a valuable one.

What we are discussing is a principle of economics and market forces.
Unfortunately I cant take credit for the principles of economics that is being applied so its NOT my idea :-)
If you have an issue with the principle you need to take it up with Milton Friedman or one of the other great economist .....Geez are you for real !!

[Sadgit]

A buyers market only really applies to something you need to sell.

They need to make money and unless they have a financial alternative to earn more money they NEED to sell their ass

Its a buyers market refers to the fact A situation in which supply exceeds demand, giving purchasers an advantage over sellers in price negotiations.

Where did you get your definition from 

[Jimmyredcab]

They need to make money and unless they have a financial alternative to earn more money they NEED to sell their ass

Its a buyers market refers to the fact A situation in which supply exceeds demand, giving purchasers an advantage over sellers in price negotiations.

Where did you get your definition from 

There is indeed an over supply of prostitutes but the vast majority (on Adultwork) are lowlife skanks ----------- FACT. 

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I agree with wristjob.  Just because in theory any woman can set up a business on AW, that doesn't mean that any woman would actually be able to do it - let alone do it well.  UKP wouldn't need a reviews section otherwise, so it's not an unskilled job.  And would you want to not be able to tell anyone what you do for a living, even family and friends (perhaps especially family and friends), regardless of how well you were being paid?

If every punter suddenly decided that they wouldn't or couldn't pay more than, say, £50 an hour and no one budged on this then WGs would inevitably either have to reduce their rates or decide that £50 an hour wasn't enough for this job and follow another line of work.  However, I think that punters will always blink first...we are blokes, after all!     

[smiths]

I agree with wristjob.  Just because in theory any woman can set up a business on AW, that doesn't mean that any woman would actually be able to do it - let alone do it well.  UKP wouldn't need a reviews section otherwise, so it's not an unskilled job.  And would you want to not be able to tell anyone what you do for a living, even family and friends (perhaps especially family and friends), regardless of how well you were being paid?

If every punter suddenly decided that they wouldn't or couldn't pay more than, say, £50 an hour and no one budged on this then WGs would inevitably either have to reduce their rates or decide that £50 an hour wasn't enough for this job and follow another line of work.  However, I think that punters will always blink first...we are blokes, after all!   

And its how you would know that every punter wouldnt pay over £50 an hour in reality even if this was possible. All we would have is the punters word of course, people sometimes lie, FACT.

This also assumes every punter would be aware there was a £50 an hour maximum, how would those unaware of the forum find out about it, from mystic meg.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

And its how you would know that every punter wouldnt pay over £50 an hour in reality even if this was possible. All we would have is the punters word of course, people sometimes lie, FACT.

This also assumes every punter would be aware there was a £50 an hour maximum, how would those unaware of the forum find out about it, from mystic meg.

Exactly.  For the sake of clarity maybe should've started that paragraph with "In theory", but we all know that it's never going to happen anyway!

[wristjob]

They need to make money and unless they have a financial alternative to earn more money they NEED to sell their ass

Its a buyers market refers to the fact A situation in which supply exceeds demand, giving purchasers an advantage over sellers in price negotiations.

Where did you get your definition from 

Well i think we have a benefits system here so few people would actually starve - that's an alternate means and there are others.

Buyers market. not really. If every girl on AW wants to work 8 hours a day sure there's an oversupply. If you were a girl and had a choice - charge £100/hour and see 3 clients a day or charge £60 and see 6 which would you go for? There's always the risk of STDs and see half the clients, have half the risk. Go cheaper and you might see clients who look like old man Steptoe not these more affluent, refined types. You might value the fact you have time to spend as you like during the day. if you earn a little more for working twice as much then I'd probably go the lazy route.

[Curious6705]

What we are discussing is a principle of economics and market forces.
Unfortunately I cant take credit for the principles of economics that is being applied so its NOT my idea :-)
If you have an issue with the principle you need to take it up with Milton Friedman or one of the other great economist .....Geez are you for real !!

You are talking about trying to fix the market by manipulating the demand side. Never going to happen. The idea that you could do so is utterly ridiculous. For starters, as smiths points out, you would need the likes of Mystic Meg doing your marketing ... 

[vt]

My $0.02 worth...

The OP is deluded if he thinks he can rig the demand side of the market, but there is anecdotal evidence that the oversupply of prossies from new EU accession countries is mopping up the increasing demand as the economy recovers, keeping prices static/slightly falling in nominal terms, definitely falling in real terms as they appear to have been for around 10 years now.

Many punters report that punting is better value now than ever, with an increase in services available and the quality in terms of looks at all levels being higher than ever.

The current influx from Romania has lowered prices at the bottom end of the London market and as we know, the quality can be variable, but it also means that there is quality often reported on here around the £80-90 mark, just above the base level. I think this is holding down the middle of the market where English indie girls are now charging £120-130 if they want to be busy, whereas they could be at £150 or more a few years back. EEs with a good reputation are around £100, whereas they could be £120 previously. Of course, some girls won't lower rates on principle, but it's likely they are less busy than they were a few years back, there is a thread on SAAFE to back this up.

There is a lot of price elasticity with Romanians as the bottom 25% of jobs (ie. young unskilled) in Romania pay less than £1.08ph, the minimum wage being £0.92ph which work out to only £154-£182 monthly for 168hrs full-time job. Getting as little as £20-£30ph here after 'expenses' in prostitution means they can earn more than a typical monthly wage in a day. In a month, more than a years wages back home. In a year, more than a decade's worth of Romanian earnings...it's a no-brainer for many!

If the influx continues, I can foresee further price erosion as supply continues to outstrip demand. The best thing we can do as punters is to point out good service and VFM as we see it and let the market do the rest.

[jcdmj12]

My $0.02 worth...

The OP is deluded if he thinks he can rig the demand side of the market, but there is anecdotal evidence that the oversupply of prossies from new EU accession countries is mopping up the increasing demand as the economy recovers, keeping prices static/slightly falling in nominal terms, definitely falling in real terms as they appear to have been for around 10 years now.

Many punters report that punting is better value now than ever, with an increase in services available and the quality in terms of looks at all levels being higher than ever.

The current influx from Romania has lowered prices at the bottom end of the London market and as we know, the quality can be variable, but it also means that there is quality often reported on here around the £80-90 mark, just above the base level. I think this is holding down the middle of the market where English indie girls are now charging £120-130 if they want to be busy, whereas they could be at £150 or more a few years back. EEs with a good reputation are around £100, whereas they could be £120 previously. Of course, some girls won't lower rates on principle, but it's likely they are less busy than they were a few years back, there is a thread on SAAFE to back this up.

There is a lot of price elasticity with Romanians as the bottom 25% of jobs (ie. young unskilled) in Romania pay less than £1.08ph, the minimum wage being £0.92ph which work out to only £154-£182 monthly for 168hrs full-time job. Getting as little as £20-£30ph here after 'expenses' in prostitution means they can earn more than a typical monthly wage in a day. In a month, more than a years wages back home. In a year, more than a decade's worth of Romanian earnings...it's a no-brainer for many!

If the influx continues, I can foresee further price erosion as supply continues to outstrip demand. The best thing we can do as punters is to point out good service and VFM as we see it and let the market do the rest.

Yep, agree with this, also increased information flow due the popularity of AW and sites like UKP is also making the market a lot more efficient.

[Sadgit]

You are talking about trying to fix the market by manipulating the demand side. Never going to happen. The idea that you could do so is utterly ridiculous. For starters, as smiths points out, you would need the likes of Mystic Meg doing your marketing ... 

For real....another dude that hasnt read the post in chronological order or just selectively choosing to ignore elements of what I actually said.

NEWS FLASH.... I have no intention of trying to change the market.
Really hope I dont have to say that again but I know I will 

[Sadgit]

My $0.02 worth...

The OP is deluded if he thinks he can rig the demand side of the market,

WTF.....Just where did the OP say he intends to rig the demand.

Are you just following like a sheep on what others have said or are you actually reading what I have said and taken all statements made by me into account.

Of course not 

[Rochdull lad]

I'd love to see this thread used in the first year of an Economics degree course!!

[Sadgit]

Buyers market. not really. If every girl on AW wants to work 8 hours a day sure there's an oversupply. If you were a girl and had a choice - charge £100/hour and see 3 clients a day or charge £60 and see 6 which would you go

But thats not the choice Id be faced with.

The true choice would be earn (for example) half of what im earning £75.00 an hour or do something else.
Hmmm....Now what else can I do that pays £75 an hour with my skill set.

The chances are if I had an alternative id probably wouldnt be doing this in the first place....WOULD I ???

I got to stop this as Im pretty sure most of you just arent seeing this is a discussion about business, economics, market forces, supply and demand, USP's etc.
The SWOT matrix applied is fairly universal regardless of the business.

This is not my invention or an idea I came up with (sorry to disappoint).
Im just pointing out these rules apply to all business so could effectively apply to this one....dont shoot he messenger

Wonder why folks find that hard to comprehend 

[Sadgit]

I'd love to see this thread used in the first year of an Economics degree course!!

Would be great to see but my money would be after consulting their text books they would try to apply the tried and tested rules of economics that to date can be successfully
applied to any business model I know of.
 

[wristjob]

But thats not the choice Id be faced with.

The true choice would be earn (for example) half of what im earning £75.00 an hour or do something else.
Hmmm....Now what else can I do that pays £75 an hour with my skill set.

The chances are if I had an alternative id probably wouldnt be doing this in the first place....WOULD I ???

I got to stop this as Im pretty sure most of you just arent seeing this is a discussion about business, economics, market forces, supply and demand, USP's etc.
The SWOT matrix applied is fairly universal regardless of the business.

This is not my invention or an idea I came up with (sorry to disappoint).
Im just pointing out these rules apply to all business so could effectively apply to this one....dont shoot he messenger

Wonder why folks find that hard to comprehend 

The only person finding it hard to comprehend is you. Possibly you should read what I wrote.

6 bookings @ £60 compared to 3 bookings at £100. 6 hours work for £360, 3 hours for £300. That means you work the extra 3 hours for £60 - those 3 hours are worth £20/hour if you drop the rate. Worse even, if you give a girl 20 mins to sort herself between appointments, emails texts etc then those 3 hours on her back are 4 hours.

I run my own business, I have this issue all the time. I can drop prices, sell more, do more work but with a lower margin on each trade I might not be better off.

Probably 2 other things to consider. higher rate tax. OK i know maybe it's not all declared but there's only so much that can be hidden. hit the higher rate and you don't see as much of your hard earned.  Well income tax can be dealt with but what can't is VAT. hit 79k/year and you are buggered as a prossie. You probably need to do £100k turnover to be as well off as £78k, and anything between you are worse off.

Everybody has an alternatve, and the money from selling your body gets so bad they'll just quit and take up mobile hair dressing.

[seeker]

What sadgit is saying is right in principle. ....IF ALL punters refused to pay more than say 100 ph then the price would fall to that rate  But    There will be a point that it becomes uneconomical for the wg say 50ph and she migth do some thing else even though 50ph is still good money and a lot would still carry on working .
Why do wg charge so much ? Because us punters allow them to ....if we ALL REFUSED to see the greedy cows  thier prices would soon drop .

[GreyDave]

There is indeed an over supply of prostitutes but the vast majority (on Adultwork) are lowlife skanks ----------- FACT. 

Partly the facts Vt has mentioned earning a decade of income in a month is the most relevant. And its the most alarming as :thumbsdown ALL trades and business will be affected by this from Cabbies to Engineers and computer programers.  Tell me where in the world Jimmy could go and earn the same relativly as these girls can ie decade in a month..... Bet he'd be off it a shot if there was a place eh?..... I mention in a post a while ago I thought it was the golden age of punting for us here at the moment, it is enjoy it! A mate who worked in Russia and Thailand told me the prices there are now in russia higher and Thai land almost european =  where 10 years ago where burger and fries cost!!

[vorian]

What sadgit is saying is right in principle. ....IF ALL punters refused to pay more than say 100 ph then the price would fall to that rate  But    There will be a point that it becomes uneconomical for the wg say 50ph and she migth do some thing else even though 50ph is still good money and a lot would still carry on working .
Why do wg charge so much ? Because us punters allow them to ....if we ALL REFUSED to see the greedy cows  thier prices would soon drop .

You can apply that argument to anything,  if for example everyone refused to buy road tax and stuck by it, what could the Government do, we can't all be locked up. Human nature is not collective but individual.

[Curious6705]

For real....another dude that hasnt read the post in chronological order or just selectively choosing to ignore elements of what I actually said.

NEWS FLASH.... I have no intention of trying to change the market.
Really hope I dont have to say that again but I know I will 

You haven't understood the argument you yourself have put forward.     

[Curious6705]

I got to stop this as Im pretty sure most of you just arent seeing this is a discussion about business, economics, market forces, supply and demand, USP's etc.
The SWOT matrix applied is fairly universal regardless of the business.

Oh right - so now your economic "argument" has been trashed you try some management science bullshit instead ... 

[smiths]

Oh right - so now your economic "argument" has been trashed you try some management science bullshit instead ... 

Sadgit is flip flopping all over the place, now using big words to try to explain his points. An early read of this thread shows what his thinking was, he hasnt replied to my post where i asked him to explain the £150 an hour he mentioned in his post 18.

The word IF has been used, well yes IF people stuck together many things might be cheaper BUT people dont ALL stick together as has been proved many many times. Regarding punting Sadgit still hasnt answered how those not aware of this forum would know ALL of us were refusing to pay WGs over a certain rate, and IF we ALL on here did agree to not paying over that price how would it be provable ALL hadnt paid more. The fact is it wouldnt be provable obviously.

Me, you and a number of others who have posted on this thread live in the real world of what actually happens, not the IF world of Sadgit. He is an idealist whereas i and you are realists, we know how punting operates and that many punters arent aware of this forum so wouldnt be aware that ALL of us on here werent paying WGs over a certain amount. Its blindingly obvious of course.

[Curious6705]

Sadgit is flip flopping all over the place, now using big words to try to explain his points. An early read of this thread shows what his thinking was, he hasnt replied to my post where i asked him to explain the £150 an hour he mentioned in his post 18.

The word IF has been used, well yes IF people stuck together many things might be cheaper BUT people dont ALL stick together as has been proved many many times. Regarding punting Sadgit still hasnt answered how those not aware of this forum would know ALL of us were refusing to pay WGs over a certain rate, and IF we ALL on here did agree to not paying over that price how would it be provable ALL hadnt paid more. The fact is it wouldnt be provable obviously.

Me, you and a number of others who have posted on this thread live in the real world of what actually happens, not the IF world of Sadgit. He is an idealist whereas i and you are realists, we know how punting operates and that many punters arent aware of this forum so wouldnt be aware that ALL of us on here werent paying WGs over a certain amount. Its blindingly obvious of course.

Excellent post - I think you pretty much nailed it there. 

[Jimmyredcab]

There are already girls available at £60 an hour, some of our members swear by them, not for me in a zillion light years. 

[vt]

There are already girls available at £60 an hour, some of our members swear by them, not for me in a zillion light years. 

...and some down to £45-50...thereby undercutting the base price to attract custom...this is the mechanism that will lower prices overall for punters as long as supply from low-wage countries continues to outstrip demand...and punters become aware by reviews from pioneering members on here of good service/VFM at lower pricepoints.

It is already happening around the £70-90ph mark...many punters see no need to pay more at the moment.

[GeeWiz]

They try capping salaries in sport, but what happens is incentives are given outside of that to inflate the pay.  Same thing would happen if every SP had the same rate and your favourite was so popular she was hard to book.  Supply and demand.

Back in the real world, the most I am prepared to pay is £100 an hour.  Bearing in mind that is cash in hand so about ten times the average hourly take home pay, it's still not too shabby.

[GreyDave]

To many of one type of WG will get many others thinking its not worth it and / or what it now happening in Central london flats where several girls work together for a few weeks and under cut the locals. This has caused fights amongst them and police being called this inturn leads to the likes of HH commenting on our pastime ..

[grandmaster-ram-rod]

yes I agree, it would be great if punter power could bring down prices.

but from my own experience that could bring down service quality in many cases, I for one would never barter with a prozzie because saving £10 could be the worse £10 I ever saved

if someone manages to make me drop in price in my profession, I very quickly lose interest in giving them the same quality of service ( no I'm not A male prozzie)

if however they pay my asking price, I will move heaven and earth to make them happy

[Steve2]

There are already girls available at £60 an hour, some of our members swear by them, not for me in a zillion light years. 

There ARE gems at all prices Jimbo.

Just pay what you are comfortable with and hopefully it's a good one

 

[smiths]

...and some down to £45-50...thereby undercutting the base price to attract custom...this is the mechanism that will lower prices overall for punters as long as supply from low-wage countries continues to outstrip demand...and punters become aware by reviews from pioneering members on here of good service/VFM at lower pricepoints.

It is already happening around the £70-90ph mark...many punters see no need to pay more at the moment.

Who are these WGs that are now charging £45-50 an hour please?

[vt]

yes I agree, it would be great if punter power could bring down prices.

but from my own experience that could bring down service quality in many cases, I for one would never barter with a prozzie because saving £10 could be the worse £10 I ever saved

if someone manages to make me drop in price in my profession, I very quickly lose interest in giving them the same quality of service ( no I'm not A male prozzie)

if however they pay my asking price, I will move heaven and earth to make them happy

If you're a tradesman and have been used to charging £30ph, but now find that an influx of foreign workers are willing to do the same job for £15ph, you may get some regulars willing to pay your usual rate because they know and like you, but if you want to maintain levels of business and attract new custom, you will have to consider dropping rates. You won't like it and will resist it, but ultimately you might have to do it with a smile on your face.

It happened to plumbers when the Polish arrived...it's happened to some extent already in the punting world as prices are static/falling and services increased...no reason why it won't continue to happen.

As you rightly say it can't come from the demand side bartering, though some of your customers might reveal other tradesmen's quotes and ask you if you can match them. But it certainly could happen as you see less and less work coming your way as the lower-priced competition squeezes you out and you decide reluctantly to lower your price structure.

[wristjob]

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Why do wg charge so much ? Because us punters allow them to ....if we ALL REFUSED to see the greedy cows  thier prices would soon drop .

They don't charge "so much" - it's market forces and not that simple. If they do incalls they need somewhere to do it from - a nice flat incl all expenses is minimum £700/pcm anywhere in the country. Do it from their house - we can all work from home but they lose a room, inconvenience & security - and some people will do that but same difference, you want a £700 premium for those risks.

The other thing is a WGs life can never really be 7h of bookings a day 5 days a week (why should she be expected to work more than others). Other thing is isn't not really a career is it - you get your 10 years at your peak then it's usually in decline.

The reason they charge what they do is because when you roll all those things up into a ball many won't od it for less and will find something else to do.

if someone manages to make me drop in price in my profession, I very quickly lose interest in giving them the same quality of service ( no I'm not A male prozzie)

if however they pay my asking price, I will move heaven and earth to make them happy

Depends. If they nail you/me down it's hard to give that much of a crap. if market forces mean suppliers are forced to drop their prices cos that's how the market is nowadays then often you get a better services. Early days of the credit crunch people were charging less and customer service was way better.

[vt]

Who are these WGs that are now charging £45-50 an hour please?

Just did an AW search of all of London, incalls and ticked the 'order results by rate/price' box. I got these starting at £40ph...


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Oops...that last one is £59, but quite a few profiles offering sub-£50ph punting. I have no idea whether they are all genuine profiles and some of them don't look pretty, but it is establishing a new low base price in the London suburbs, the basis for further price erosion across the whole of the London & SE punting market.

So who's going to take on for the team???   

[grandmaster-ram-rod]

Just did an AW search of all of London, incalls and ticked the 'order results by rate/price' box. I got these starting at £40ph...








So who's going to take on for the team???   

ermmmmmmmmmmm not me 

[wristjob]

Yeah well, seen this girl in the past, £30/hour now at weekends External Link/Members Only

Old pics, she is twice the size now. Good attitude though, nice enough girl. plenty of places up North where a basic services starts at £25 (cum once, not hour). Plenty of cheap sex but we all want the hotties.

[smiths]

Just did an AW search of all of London, incalls and ticked the 'order results by rate/price' box. I got these starting at £40ph...


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Oops...that last one is £59, but quite a few profiles offering sub-£50ph punting. I have no idea whether they are all genuine profiles and some of them don't look pretty, but it is establishing a new low base price in the London suburbs, the basis for further price erosion across the whole of the London & SE punting market.

So who's going to take on for the team???   

Thanks for the links, it wont be me taking one for the team thats for sure.

[vt]

Thanks for the links, it wont be me taking one for the team thats for sure.

Maybe on NIK's final farewell punting weekend in London, he can do 4 or 5 of these £40/£50 punts for his £200, go out with a bang and do a valuable service to his grateful forum fans on here!!   

[Sadgit]

As you two seem to be lacking the identical braincells I'll address both you comments in the same post

Oh right - so now your economic "argument" has been trashed blah blah blah

Explain to me how my economic argument is flawed please.
Whilst doing so please pay attention that the economic argument I am presenting is NOT my argument.Its is a  based of the basic laws applied in economics taught to economist throughout the world.
If you or your scholar  SMITHS have managed to rebuke this theory and find a flaw in it then we are wasting our time here.
Somebody better get on the phone to the FT or Economist news paper and let them know a member of a UK Punting has crashed your theories that has taken hundreds of years for you to develop.

Sadgit is flip flopping all over the place, blah blah blah...he hasnt replied to my post where i asked him to explain the £150 an hour he mentioned in his post 18.

Oh is this the answer your looking for that I posted ages ago ?

Im talking about the price structure and how it is formulated.
No matter where you are or what you pay the price is based on what the agencies and WG's think is the maximum they can extract.Not sure why your focusing on a price and not the principle of economics, that its a buyers market not a sellers.
The punters are the buyers....Do you really not understand something as basic as this.

Really sorry but your answer is there and I really dont know how to explain it in more simple terms that are clearly required for you to understand.


Seems that many but especially the both of you  cant grasp the concept of a PRINCPLE and seemed to have not done your home work.
Instead of reading what I actually said you took the replies from others and applied them to me, Unfortunately your sources made tiny mistakes and you built your whole argument on those mistakes and created one huge mistake for yourselves....nice job boys 

You need to understand although  a principle can be 100% correct  bringing that principle to fruition may not be realistic in reality for various reasons but that doesn't mean the principle is incorrect does it now ??

The road tax scenario someone gave is a perfect example.
In theory you could workout how many vehicles are in London and how many holding centers, car parks , staff, clamps, cost of administration etc are available to the government and come up with a theory that in PRINCIPLE if nobody paid the government couldn't administrate towing and storing all the vehicles.
In PRINCIPLE you would be correct and only an idiot (or maybe two) would try and disprove the PRINCIPLE.
The fact that some people may be happy to pay and others think its good value, or they can afford it etc, or it will never happen has SWEET FA to do with the PRINCIPLE…do you get it now.

 


I have always been putting forward the principle and used kindergarden level economics to try and explain this to you.
Its not my fault that the brain cell you both share couldn't workout I was putting forward a "economic principle" despite me repeatedly saying so.

Nobody has presented an economics answer to a economic problem.
Its a BUSINESS…its as simple as that a BUSINESS that can run on an unskilled workforce force, has no USP in an over crowded market paying staff far more than they could get TAX FREE in any other legitimate employment.

It works for one reason only…MEN think with their dicks so pay above the odds.
If they could control their dicks they could control the market.

[Curious6705]

As you two seem to be lacking the identical braincells I'll address both you comments in the same post

Explain to me how my economic argument is flawed please.
Whilst doing so please pay attention that the economic argument I am presenting is NOT my argument.Its is a  based of the basic laws applied in economics taught to economist throughout the world.
If you or your scholar  SMITHS have managed to rebuke this theory and find a flaw in it then we are wasting our time here.
Somebody better get on the phone to the FT or Economist news paper and let them know a member of a UK Punting has crashed your theories that has taken hundreds of years for you to develop.

Oh is this the answer your looking for that I posted ages ago ?
Really sorry but your answer is there and I really dont know how to explain it in more simple terms that are clearly required for you to understand.


Seems that many but especially the both of you  cant grasp the concept of a PRINCPLE and seemed to have not done your home work.
Instead of reading what I actually said you took the replies from others and applied them to me, Unfortunately your sources made tiny mistakes and you built your whole argument on those mistakes and created one huge mistake for yourselves....nice job boys 

You need to understand although  a principle can be 100% correct  bringing that principle to fruition may not be realistic in reality for various reasons but that doesn't mean the principle is incorrect does it now ??

The road tax scenario someone gave is a perfect example.
In theory you could workout how many vehicles are in London and how many holding centers, car parks , staff, clamps, cost of administration etc are available to the government and come up with a theory that in PRINCIPLE if nobody paid the government couldn't administrate towing and storing all the vehicles.
In PRINCIPLE you would be correct and only an idiot (or maybe two) would try and disprove the PRINCIPLE.
The fact that some people may be happy to pay and others think its good value, or they can afford it etc, or it will never happen has SWEET FA to do with the PRINCIPLE…do you get it now.

 


I have always been putting forward the principle and used kindergarden level economics to try and explain this to you.
Its not my fault that the brain cell you both share couldn't workout I was putting forward a "economic principle" despite me repeatedly saying so.

Nobody has presented an economics answer to a economic problem.
Its a BUSINESS…its as simple as that a BUSINESS that can run on an unskilled workforce force, has no USP in an over crowded market paying staff far more than they could get TAX FREE in any other legitimate employment.

It works for one reason only…MEN think with their dicks so pay above the odds.
If they could control their dicks they could control the market.

A wild guess - but did you just get home from school?

[grandmaster-ram-rod]

punting is by it's nature a solitary pastime, how do you suggest we get 100% of punters all together to  make this work,

I think the mods will tell you that even a  site as well respected as this one only reaches the tip of the iceberg

[bel]

 
better to get value for money.
That is where this site comes in .Give truthful feedback with price etc and the chancers will have to change.
John
 

[cockneybstrd]

Sadgit

I see you avoided my point about the fact that demand is more in elastic than elastic and how that combined with supply which is currently more elastic than in elastic.

 

[Qwerty]

If they could control their dicks they could control the market.

If men could control their dicks there wouldn't be a market

[vt]

Sadgit, I appreciate your economic principle, but isn't the market already setting the price, not some notional cartel of escorts/ agencies?

Unfortunately I don't think you will ever be able to form a cartel of punters, so the only mechanism for the market to lower the average strike price is for supply to exceed demand for sufficient time to overcome any price stickiness. More perfect price information for consumers will always help speed the process, this site exists for that purpose as we help each other find the best value for our money.

Interesting subject, thanks for raising it! 

[Steve2]

Maybe on NIK's final farewell punting weekend in London, he can do 4 or 5 of these £40/£50 punts for his £200, go out with a bang and do a valuable service to his grateful forum fans on here!!   

To quote John McInroe

Are you fucking serious?????

[SteveNova]

I look for a good service at a price that I am happy to pay.  Quality and value for money are more important to me that a notional 'fair price'