Are WG's feeling the pinch?

[JustaPunter]

A fair few people who routinely use food banks in London have a car, expensive mobile phone and Sky Tv and internet.

The only thing they are struggling with is money management.

I have been making better money in the past 3 months than ever, much more than the so called good times before Covid

[pantywetter]

i always laugh at these posts, as punters cite economic laws, and predict price drops as being inevitable, 15 years of serious punting, prices creep up, girls in general, enter the market, if they dont make any money, they leave the market,the next day, other girls turn up, a tiny minority might drop their prices, but ive never noticed, and am fairly vigilant about that sort of thing.the fact is there is never going to be a disruptor in commercial sex, like ryan air, we will always pay a bit more than we are happy to pay.

Not sure it’s a constant upwards curve.  Prices seem to stay fairly stable from 2005-2019.  I started feeling a bit of inflation then.  Then we had Covid and everything went bananas, but the heat seems to be going out of that now.

It’s surprising how little inflation we have had.  I think like a lot of things it was because of the immigration policy.

[MysteryManNo.7]

A fair few people who routinely use food banks in London have a car, expensive mobile phone and Sky Tv and internet.

The only thing they are struggling with is money management.

I have been making better money in the past 3 months than ever, much more than the so called good times before Covid

Completely agree with you on this. I'm not a high earner at all despite a recent promotion and corresponding pay rise but even if I lost my job it would take a very long time for me to go hungry due to savings and not living beyond my means, even with an expensive hobby like punting!

[estats]

i always laugh at these posts, as punters cite economic laws, and predict price drops as being inevitable, 15 years of serious punting, prices creep up, girls in general, enter the market, if they dont make any money, they leave the market,the next day, other girls turn up, a tiny minority might drop their prices, but ive never noticed, and am fairly vigilant about that sort of thing.the fact is there is never going to be a disruptor in commercial sex, like ryan air, we will always pay a bit more than we are happy to pay.

Yes, but what you are not factoring is in that 15 years the average salary in the uk has increased 40%. So , actually, prices "creeping up" is a real terms decrease.

Also, in that 15 years we have had price stability not eroding incomes, e.g. not 10% inflation.

Like I've said since the start of the year, we shall see come the winter.

[estats]

1 - Escorting is low barrier, high margins. But also high risk! If you get found out, it could ruin your life. So even if it's easy to enter, not many people are willing to shag strangers for money. The so called Brazillians are probably Roms.

2 - The BoE have already said they want to create a new recession just to fight inflation. So yes less damand.

But! This is a big but! WG's are nonsensical! Even if they had fewer clients they will refuse to lower prices on principle. They attribute price to their own self worth and they only put prices up.

Even your point about people spending less, hasn't stopped business from raising prices because their prices have gone up. Even restaurants which are already low-margin are having to bump up prices.

There's already record food bank usage and many people don't even have £500 of savings. So where is the price falls or even supply increases.

My basic point is no one will escape the economic headwinds incoming. However nonsensical anyone is, or wants to be, the pure economics will catch-up with them.

My one big caveat is, that is unless the central banks and government come up with another QE style instrument to keep the plates spinning and kick the economic problems 10 years down the road.

[Mrcambridge69]

In the last 2 days I’ve had unsolicited texts from WGs offering meetings at discounted prices. Never had this before so not sure if it’s a sign of the times and punters aren’t making the bookings these days or purely coincidence.

[willie loman]

Yes, but what you are not factoring is in that 15 years the average salary in the uk has increased 40%. So , actually, prices "creeping up" is a real terms decrease.

Also, in that 15 years we have had price stability not eroding incomes, e.g. not 10% inflation.

Like I've said since the start of the year, we shall see come the winter.

fair point, but when wgs increase price as happened last week  in the big 2 edinburgh saunas, it was 20%, entrance fee had gone up 25% the previous year, mind you the saunas are run as businesses, so to an extent they actually follow economic theory, but in the wild west of adultwork, girls charge what they they think they can rinse a man for, and if it doesnt work, they just leave the business.

[Chazz]

I've only met one SP who adjusted her prices to match demand. She was a canny operator who had a long term financial plan, and has long since retired. She'd drop her prices if things were quiet or she needed cash quickly. This is how I first met her, during one of her 'sales'. I remember her saying that she was always cautious when she dropped her rates, as it attracted  a worse kind of punter, and she preferred the clients who could afford her higher prices.

[Coriniumstud]

Doubt it, a few new roms have appeared in my area charging £80/hh.   £130/h 

[hamchang]

A fair few people who routinely use food banks in London have a car, expensive mobile phone and Sky Tv and internet.

The only thing they are struggling with is money management.

I have been making better money in the past 3 months than ever, much more than the so called good times before Covid

I suggest you spend a day helping at your local food bank. Probs best to leave the Daily Mail behind though if you do. You might then see what utter desperation looks like when you have a single parent nurse working 3 jobs and still has no money to put food on the table for their family.

[themagicrat]

Yes, but what you are not factoring is in that 15 years the average salary in the uk has increased 40%. So , actually, prices "creeping up" is a real terms decrease.

Also, in that 15 years we have had price stability not eroding incomes, e.g. not 10% inflation.

Like I've said since the start of the year, we shall see come the winter.

Thai agency escorts have been £150ph for pretty much all this century.

[Thephoenix]

I suggest you spend a day helping at your local food bank. Probs best to leave the Daily Mail behind though if you do. You might then see what utter desperation looks like when you have a single parent nurse working 3 jobs and still has no money to put food on the table for their family.

Tbf to the previous post you commented on I have a granddaughter who occasionally helps at a food bank.
Of course there are many tragic stories of people in desperate need, but she has often commented on her suspicions of some of the regulars turning up in better cars than she has, carrying the latest model smart phone, finishing their ciggy outside.

I guess there's no way of knowing, and in any case food banks shouldn't be necessary, but money management should be an important factor.

Incidentally a fully qualified nurse's salary starts at £24, 907 rising to £30,615.
Obviously London salaries are higher.
My granddaughter is also a single mother and doesn't earn that much, but is able to manage.

Of course outgoings will vary.

As a child growing up under rationing in 40's and 50's,  my mother would struggle to make ends meet every week, but I doubt she would have considered asking for charity.

[LLPunting]

Yes, but what you are not factoring is in that 15 years the average salary in the uk has increased 40%. So , actually, prices "creeping up" is a real terms decrease.

Also, in that 15 years we have had price stability not eroding incomes, e.g. not 10% inflation.

Like I've said since the start of the year, we shall see come the winter.

Using a mean value in this era of disproportionate wealth distribution is misleading.  Try a mode or median value.
150 was a lot of money then, far more than many well/highly paid regular jobs.  Now, all these years later and despite income increases, once you figure in the real term change in remuneration for any given job, 150 ph is still a fuck of a lot of money to be earning, even if net profit has dropped because of fixed cost increases.  Girls can move and many have shifted to "cheaper" accommodation and areas, dont' forget they were paying silly rents in central London before, they may simply have moved to the same price further out or even reduced their outgoings or improved their quality of accomodation by moving out.  There are no violins playing for the trading costs of SPs.

[lillythesavage]

Tbf to the previous post you commented on I have a granddaughter who occasionally helps at a food bank.
Of course there are many tragic stories of people in desperate need, but she has often commented on her suspicions of some of the regulars turning up in better cars than she has, carrying the latest model smart phone, finishing their ciggy outside.

I guess there's no way of knowing, and in any case food banks shouldn't be necessary, but money management should be an important factor.

Incidentally a fully qualified nurse's salary starts at £24, 907 rising to £30,615.
Obviously London salaries are higher.
My granddaughter is also a single mother and doesn't earn that much, but is able to manage.

Of course outgoings will vary.

As a child growing up under rationing in 40's and 50's,  my mother would struggle to make ends meet every week, but I doubt she would have considered asking for charity.

Foodbanks work on being on benefits, if you can supply paperwork you are on benefits, and we all know that system is abused, then you can also abuse a food bank.

Never any shortage of volunteers for them, lots of good food to be had, if you think that does not happen, you are mistaken.

[Moby Dick]

As a child growing up under rationing in 40's and 50's,  my mother would struggle to make ends meet every week, but I doubt she would have considered asking for charity.

Did you have many uncles?

[Murray Mint]

Did you have many uncles?

An uncalled for slur.....

[willie loman]

Using a mean value in this era of disproportionate wealth distribution is misleading.  Try a mode or median value.
150 was a lot of money then, far more than many well/highly paid regular jobs.  Now, all these years later and despite income increases, once you figure in the real term change in remuneration for any given job, 150 ph is still a fuck of a lot of money to be earning, even if net profit has dropped because of fixed cost increases.  Girls can move and many have shifted to "cheaper" accommodation and areas, dont' forget they were paying silly rents in central London before, they may simply have moved to the same price further out or even reduced their outgoings or improved their quality of accomodation by moving out.  There are no violins playing for the trading costs of SPs.

interesting points, quite a few girls even use their own homes.

[Thephoenix]

Did you have many uncles?

Funny you should say that now I come to think about it.🤔

[JustaPunter]

I suggest you spend a day helping at your local food bank. Probs best to leave the Daily Mail behind though if you do. You might then see what utter desperation looks like when you have a single parent nurse working 3 jobs and still has no money to put food on the table for their family.

I don’t read any newspapers.

But you clearly enjoy the propaganda from left wing rags

[LLPunting]

I don’t read any newspapers.

But you clearly enjoy the propaganda from left wing rags

So poverty and hardship is a myth?  Nobody in UK is struggling?  Nobody anywhere? 
On what "evidence" do you form your opinions then if you despair of print journalism?  What's your paradigm for assigning credibility of "facts" that you are unable to determine by personal witness of an undeniable, universal truth?

[JustaPunter]

So poverty and hardship is a myth?  Nobody in UK is struggling?  Nobody anywhere? 
On what "evidence" do you form your opinions then if you despair of print journalism?  What's your paradigm for assigning credibility of "facts" that you are unable to determine by personal witness of an undeniable, universal truth?

Based on evidence that I see with my own eyes.

Everybody I know is earning good money, though the only people who are making anything are grafters.

Some people like to moan about things then are too lazy to graft

[Coriniumstud]

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[Southendlothario]

I only really get the opportunity to jave a go once or twice a year, due to finances, and having to book time off of work.
Are WG's feeling the pinch? Who cares?
They charge on average £150/hr (cant see many others that earn that sort of hourly rate, and pay zero taxes on that (cant imagine many filling out tax returns lol).
Half probably live on benefits of some kind or another?
If theyre not getting many in through the door thats their problem not mine   

[MissWolf]

I only really get the opportunity to jave a go once or twice a year, due to finances, and having to book time off of work.
Are WG's feeling the pinch? Who cares?
They charge on average £150/hr (cant see many others that earn that sort of hourly rate, and pay zero taxes on that (cant imagine many filling out tax returns lol).
Half probably live on benefits of some kind or another?
If theyre not getting many in through the door thats their problem not mine   

By heck you're a judgemental joy of a man aren't you, no fear of empathy or good will on your watch 

I believe you are wrong on many of your ill based assumptions, indie Escorts I know all file tax returns,  have accountants etc

Let's face it most people are feeling the pinch atm and it's only getting worse,they may earn 150 an hour but if they are only seeing 2 or 3 clients awake their wage is little different to a basic wage factory worker and they often have many more expenses to cover.

If they do I calls from a hotel or tour they will need to make 100 to 150 a day before they see any profit or cover expenses etc

Obviously I'm not going to even make a dent in the opinions of those on this site so I'm expecting shit for this post but ho hum

Just remember walk a mile in the shoes of another before you pass comment on their situation or something you know nothing about

[tynetunnel]

…they may earn 150 an hour but if they are only seeing 2 or 3 clients awake their wage is little different to a basic wage factory worker and they often have many more expenses to cover…

It’s still £150 an hour however you dress it up! Since minimum wage for an adult is £9.50 an hour, it’s 15.8 times more per hour

So basic wage factory worker on 37 hour week will earn gross pay of £351.50 per week. To earn the same amount at a rate of £150 per hour the WG only needs to work 2.35 hours a week…

You suggest 2-3 clients a day. Let’s assume it’s 3, 1 for an hour and 2 for a half hour. And let’s keep the maths simple: £150 per hour, and £75 a half. WG works the same as factory worker = 5 days x £300 (150+75+75) = £1500 gross pay for actual hours worked of 10 hours.

So compare the factory worker - 37 hours = £351.50 and the WG - 10 hours = £1500

“their wage is little different”

Really? 


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but if they are only seeing 2 or 3 clients awake

I had assumed you meant “a day” but in hindsight perhaps you meant “a week”? If so then perhaps she needs to work harder at her marketing/reviews and/or get another job that will offer a few more hours. I’ve no sympathies with any WG who only sees 2-3 clients a week, while Marlene is doing a full 37 hours at the factory!

[LLPunting]

Based on evidence that I see with my own eyes.

Everybody I know is earning good money, though the only people who are making anything are grafters.

Some people like to moan about things then are too lazy to graft

So you're in a filter bubble with pretty limited parameters.  Be thankful for your privilege, it may not be everlasting.

[Moby Dick]

It’s still £150 an hour however you dress it up! Since minimum wage for an adult is £9.50 an hour, it’s 15.8 times more per hour

So basic wage factory worker on 37 hour week will earn gross pay of £351.50 per week. To earn the same amount at a rate of £150 per hour the WG only needs to work 2.35 hours a week…

No it’s not.

Her hourly rate that we pay isn’t what she gets paid per hour (or banks)
It’s all the hours answering phone calls, emails,  travelling, booking hotels, waiting / tidying / washing / makeup between clients etc.
Then the expense of hotels, advertising (AW display number/available today), fuel/travel costs, costumes, stockings, hair, make up, condoms etc etc.

Not a fair comparison to compare self employed (prostitute or otherwise) with someone on a minimum wage who is also getting pension contributions and holiday pay.

[LLPunting]

By heck you're a judgemental joy of a man aren't you, no fear of empathy or good will on your watch 

I believe you are wrong on many of your ill based assumptions, indie Escorts I know all file tax returns,  have accountants etc

Let's face it most people are feeling the pinch atm and it's only getting worse,they may earn 150 an hour but if they are only seeing 2 or 3 clients awake their wage is little different to a basic wage factory worker and they often have many more expenses to cover.

If they do I calls from a hotel or tour they will need to make 100 to 150 a day before they see any profit or cover expenses etc

Obviously I'm not going to even make a dent in the opinions of those on this site so I'm expecting shit for this post but ho hum

Just remember walk a mile in the shoes of another before you pass comment on their situation or something you know nothing about

Sorry MW, as JP points out, there's something off with your maths.  If you really mean 2-3 a week then you're talking about a part-timer or someone so over-priced (at 150!?  ) that even cherry-poppers know they can find better value elsewhere.
Any attractive woman willing to offer a limited or broad set of services with enough enthusiasm and a pleasing demeanour can be as busy as she wants in pretty much any large town/city in the UK with just thousands of males in.  She just has to properly price her offering respecting how much her likely punters earn by the hour.
Look at what a few good reviews on UKP does for getting a girl's business started and subsequent ones over time in maintaining a reputation.
Appreciate it's not easy being nice to the Public in all their arsey forms, worse so if they're punters with all their possible baggage about women and sex.  But if you're in a service industry... besides you do have recourse here to tell your truth of the encounter.  You've seen that the forum condemns bad punters.

Only reasons for girls to be struggling for business, like any service business:
- Overpriced for what she's offering to the punters able to reach her.
- Wrong location for the punters she's appealing to.

And the following may not make for nice punters once word gets out and risks angering them creating a risky encounter:
- Shitty appointment keeping and contempt for punters' time.
- Bad attitude from the welcome and throughout the encounter.
- Bad skills at services offered.
- Scamming by shorting on time, denying agreed services, charging extras but then not delivering them well or for as long as the punter prefers.

Although looks can trump these latter deficiencies if she's willing to take a lot of P&D but that's probably not a good long run prospect for her already bad attitude or psychological health and possible safety.

[LLPunting]

No it’s not.

Her hourly rate that we pay isn’t what she gets paid per hour (or banks)
It’s all the hours answering phone calls, emails,  travelling, booking hotels, waiting / tidying / washing / makeup between clients etc.
Then the expense of hotels, advertising (AW display number/available today), fuel/travel costs, costumes, stockings, hair, make up, condoms etc etc.

Not a fair comparison to compare self employed (prostitute or otherwise) with someone on a minimum wage who is also getting pension contributions and holiday pay.

Sorry, it's totally fair to make the comparison because the wage earners have living costs, costs of work and costs of punting too.  You look at the many reviews where it's clear the girls aren't spending much (if any extra) for "costumes", lingerie, make-up, towels, toiletries, etc.  What you're describing are the fantastical indy "courtesans" who price themselves in the hundreds per hour and have to justify that.  In the cheaper brackets and managed ones the admin overheads are minimal, particularly as reflected in the endemic shoddy appointment management at the cheapest prices.  Accommodation is highly variable for all manner of reasons whether it's tourers, tourists, brothels, shops and those costs are within the budgetary control of the indie girls who can elect where/for whom they work.

[tynetunnel]

No it’s not.

Her hourly rate that we pay isn’t what she gets paid per hour (or banks)
It’s all the hours answering phone calls, emails,  travelling, booking hotels, waiting / tidying / washing / makeup between clients etc.
Then the expense of hotels, advertising (AW display number/available today), fuel/travel costs, costumes, stockings, hair, make up, condoms etc etc.

Not a fair comparison to compare self employed (prostitute or otherwise) with someone on a minimum wage who is also getting pension contributions and holiday pay.

If she’s only seeing 2-3 punters a week, how much admin time can she have? Don’t forget that our factory worker has to commute to/from the factory so that could take hours each week, maybe out on a frosty morning at half five? You’ve made a lot of assumptions about this imaginary WG - supposing she works from home? So no hotels, fuel/travel and our factory girl stills sets off to work with her hair looking nice and her slap on!

We can be as hypothetical as we like, but let’s be honest - a WG that’s earning on a par with a minimum wage factory worker is doing something very, very wrong and/or is very, very lazy 

[estats]

I'm afraid most people completely miss the point again.

There is no money without a money supply. Monetary policy is set by the central banks.

We can back and forth a lot of arguments, but if the monetary supply is tightened , to the point people don't have much or any discretionary spending ability, those in discretionary spending industries will be clobbered and face one of two choices, reduce their margins or go out of business.

It's earning season for many major companies next week, I expect P/E ratios to be falling and a lot of repricing of equity. I will put my money where my mouth is and go short.

Over the last decade we've had cheap money. A lot of capital has been misallocated due to this. A tight money supply will see a lot of changes still many are not seeing. Zombie companies and individuals will be exposed, this will cause a lot of financial pain, but is sadly the symptom of the last 10 years of free money.

[Moby Dick]

Sorry, it's totally fair to make the comparison because the wage earners have living costs, costs of work and costs of punting too.  You look at the many reviews where it's clear the girls aren't spending much (if any extra) for "costumes", lingerie, make-up, towels, toiletries, etc.  What you're describing are the fantastical indy "courtesans" who price themselves in the hundreds per hour and have to justify that.  In the cheaper brackets and managed ones the admin overheads are minimal, particularly as reflected in the endemic shoddy appointment management at the cheapest prices.  Accommodation is highly variable for all manner of reasons whether it's tourers, tourists, brothels, shops and those costs are within the budgetary control of the indie girls who can elect where/for whom they work.

He was talking about £150/hr, which until recently was “higher end” especially for Up North.
Indy Tourers have these costs. They aren’t living costs. They are work expenses.
I don’t know many or tend to see WG who operate from their family home.

However at the lower parlour end you will find you pay £60-70 per half hour.
The parlour will take £20-30 of this.
Plus the WG will have to pay for the room, typically £100, and then pay the receptionist and maid / runner £20tip each at the end of the day.
They will do a full shift, at least 8 hours, sure if they are good and up sell lots of extras then they could clear £600 but not every day is a good day. Some days they would be luck to break even.
Plus still no holidays or pension contributions, and every month they will take a few days off because the painter and decorators are in.

Fair may not be the right word.
It’s not accurate to compare hourly rates of self employed with PAYE.

[Moby Dick]

If she’s only seeing 2-3 punters a week, how much admin time can she have? Don’t forget that our factory worker has to commute to/from the factory so that could take hours each week, maybe out on a frosty morning at half five? You’ve made a lot of assumptions about this imaginary WG - supposing she works from home? So no hotels, fuel/travel and our factory girl stills sets off to work with her hair looking nice and her slap on!

We can be as hypothetical as we like, but let’s be honest - a WG that’s earning on a par with a minimum wage factory worker is doing something very, very wrong and/or is very, very lazy 

Or past her sell by date?
Or is it use before?

[LLPunting]

He was talking about £150/hr, which until recently was “higher end” especially for Up North.
Indy Tourers have these costs. They aren’t living costs. They are work expenses.
I don’t know many or tend to see WG who operate from their family home.

However at the lower parlour end you will find you pay £60-70 per half hour.
The parlour will take £20-30 of this.
Plus the WG will have to pay for the room, typically £100, and then pay the receptionist and maid / runner £20tip each at the end of the day.
They will do a full shift, at least 8 hours, sure if they are good and up sell lots of extras then they could clear £600 but not every day is a good day. Some days they would be luck to break even.
Plus still no holidays or pension contributions, and every month they will take a few days off because the painter and decorators are in.

Fair may not be the right word.
It’s not accurate to compare hourly rates of self employed with PAYE.

Fair-dos on regional variation on pricing for some levels of escort.  But that would also affect some of the cost levels too, some quite significantly compared to London and the South (East).

As self-employeds the SPs are free to use all their disposable earnings how they like, investing if they like and take as much or as little holiday as they like with direct and fully variable impact on their earnings, + or -.   Many SPs are more focused than civvies in employing their windfall earnings to make and feather their nest(s) for the long term so that they can return to civvy street and humble earnings or just keep draining cock for good money until the cocks stop cumming to see them.

Plenty of girls work inspite of their genuine periods.  Many girls (are forced to) work more than 5 days a week.

If we're comparing brothel/parlour girls to civvies then most wage earners have a cap on the overtime they can work and then get a paltry multiple on their hourly compared to an SP's basic; salaried don't often get O/T per se and being salaried doesn't mean they're earning loads either to compensate. 
Sure an SP might be idle a whole day shift but she's free to accept (or refuse) whatever she's offered at anytime for the services she's prepared to render.  On a quiet day she might settle for what's offered to ensure cashing out, she can stiff punters to get them out early to get another in to scalp sooner or charm the cock in hand to extend and/or upsell.   On busier days she can be more choosy, gouge or just mint it at offered rates, wage earners don't get that luxury.  Plenty of options for an SP to up her takings when the punters are plentiful or sparse but desperate. 

[tynetunnel]

He was talking about £150/hr, which until recently was “higher end” especially for Up North.

Even if we revise to  £100/hour which is dirt cheap, then that’s £1000 a week for 10 hours of work!

[estats]

I've seen quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that demand is reducing. Quite a few escorts do publish an availability calendar, and where 6-12 months ago they were booked up well in advance, this appears less so now and appointments are more available at short notice.

So demand is softening, clearly.  This has to be punters with less disposable income, or them rotating out of certain sectors and price brackets of escorts.

Market forces determine that prices then fall, if margins are high. I do get if a/w acts as a marketplace for cartel pricing, or escorts attach such self worth to pricing, then pricing will act out of phase with demand to some degree. But my point has always been if the economy does weaken, and inflation remains high, then prices will have to fall in discretionary spend areas, there is simply no escaping that fact.

You could argue supply will fall inline with falling demand to stabalise price, but is that really likely? With the cost of living squeezing folks, and escorts still able to take high margins and relatively short working times, you'd have to imagine supply won't fall. Indeed, again anecdotally I've seen so many new providers offering appointments from 4pm or 6pm or part time availability, this would seem to fit with escorting fitting in as an additional income stream for them.

So, the only issue I think you now have to consider is whether central banks will pivot away from tightening monetary policy. I don't think so short term, but medium term, a strong maybe.

I think we've all lived with benign economic conditions for so long, many have forgotten the basic principles. Our economy, without low interest rates will go through a messy readjustment period and everyone will be affected, those who depend on discretionary spend, or people leveraging wealth to spend, will be hammered if they don't adjust quickly.

[Pennine Rover]

Earlier this year most of the local girls to me put up to £80 or £90 per half hour. In the last week many are now £100.  There are the odd tourers or those who think themselves superior ask even more for half an hour.  My income has not gone up by 25% this year and my expenses have risen a fair bit as well. Thus disposable fun money is limited. It the same with going out for a meal.  We used to go about twice a month so it's now once.  Punting will be the same.
One thing I have noticed in my area is that there are few if any new British local girls joining AW. Plenty of long term members good and bad and the usual mix of Ron and Thai that circulate.

[estats]

Earlier this year most of the local girls to me put up to £80 or £90 per half hour. In the last week many are now £100.  There are the odd tourers or those who think themselves superior ask even more for half an hour.  My income has not gone up by 25% this year and my expenses have risen a fair bit as well. Thus disposable fun money is limited. It the same with going out for a meal.  We used to go about twice a month so it's now once.  Punting will be the same.
One thing I have noticed in my area is that there are few if any new British local girls joining AW. Plenty of long term members good and bad and the usual mix of Ron and Thai that circulate.

I think people are mistaking what is happening here. As demand drops, clearly some WG's are putting up their price to try and compensate for falling demand, in a fairly benign economy accepting non-Price determinants on demand, that could be effective, however, clearly this approach only works in a narrow band of cases.

That is if demand falls at such a rate because inflation is rising so quickly, this approach to compensate not only won't cover the fall in demand, but it will further suppress demand.

So if 10 people want to purchase something at £100, if demand now falls to 9 you could flex pricing upwards to compensate. But if demand falls to 5, that strategy is clearly unrealistic. When I talk about demand here, I literally mean a large cohort of people now having very low discretionary spend abillity as real wages fall on a scale not seen for a generation.

It's a point I've been making all year, the next 12 months won't be the business as usual benign economic conditions we've all become use to in the last decades, IMO.

[marcius2018]

So compare the factory worker - 37 hours = £351.50 and the WG - 10 hours = £1500


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I had assumed you meant “a day” but in hindsight perhaps you meant “a week”? If so then perhaps she needs to work harder at her marketing/reviews and/or get another job that will offer a few more hours. I’ve no sympathies with any WG who only sees 2-3 clients a week, while Marlene is doing a full 37 hours at the factory!

What's a factory? Is that one of these things they have abroad?

[daviemac]

What's a factory? Is that one of these things they have abroad?

What are you on about, we've got trading estates full of them.

[king tarzan]

Foodbanks work on being on benefits, if you can supply paperwork you are on benefits, and we all know that system is abused, then you can also abuse a food bank.

Never any shortage of volunteers for them, lots of good food to be had, if you think that does not happen, you are mistaken.

 👀🦊👀

[cunningman]

What are you on about, we've got trading estates full of them.

Are you seriously thinking that we did not suffer a major decline of manufacturing with Thatcher's shift to services?
I voted for her, I should say, and I thought it was somewhat inevitable given the increasing globalisation.

But we have things that look like factories and are packaging plants, or doing final assembly and shipping.
I have local factories - they buy in MDF (and other sheet materials) and bend them and CNC them.

Put it this way - could we manufacture from scratch this keyboard?  My TFT screen?  The PC under my desk?

How about a car?  We used to be able to do that, with British steel, largely.  And without buying all the
electronics from Bosch.

Repackaging 'made in china in bulk' for distribution is technically a factory, on some level, and it fills our
industrial parks.

There is no emoji on here to express my sadness at this.  We train engineers to ... optimise packaging.

[king tarzan]

Are you seriously thinking that we did not suffer a major decline of manufacturing with Thatcher's shift to services?
I voted for her, I should say, and I thought it was somewhat inevitable given the increasing globalisation.

But we have things that look like factories and are packaging plants, or doing final assembly and shipping.
I have local factories - they buy in MDF (and other sheet materials) and bend them and CNC them.

Put it this way - could we manufacture from scratch this keyboard?  My TFT screen?  The PC under my desk?

How about a car?  We used to be able to do that, with British steel, largely.  And without buying all the
electronics from Bosch.

Repackaging 'made in china in bulk' for distribution is technically a factory, on some level, and it fills our
industrial parks.

There is no emoji on here to express my sadness at this.  We train engineers to ... optimise packaging.

I've still got SONY JVC electronic items MADE IN JAPAN

[lamboman]

Are you seriously thinking that we did not suffer a major decline of manufacturing with Thatcher's shift to services?
I voted for her, I should say, and I thought it was somewhat inevitable given the increasing globalisation.

But we have things that look like factories and are packaging plants, or doing final assembly and shipping.
I have local factories - they buy in MDF (and other sheet materials) and bend them and CNC them.

Put it this way - could we manufacture from scratch this keyboard?  My TFT screen?  The PC under my desk?

How about a car?  We used to be able to do that, with British steel, largely.  And without buying all the
electronics from Bosch.

Repackaging 'made in china in bulk' for distribution is technically a factory, on some level, and it fills our
industrial parks.

There is no emoji on here to express my sadness at this.  We train engineers to ... optimise packaging.

I think you need to look at the facts a little more and also take into account the way products are built these days it's not 1965 anymore.
We still have plenty of factories.

[Moby Dick]

I've still got SONY JVC electronic items MADE IN JAPAN

I can believe that.

[daviemac]

Are you seriously thinking that we did not suffer a major decline of manufacturing with Thatcher's shift to services?
I voted for her, I should say, and I thought it was somewhat inevitable given the increasing globalisation.

But we have things that look like factories and are packaging plants, or doing final assembly and shipping.
I have local factories - they buy in MDF (and other sheet materials) and bend them and CNC them.

Put it this way - could we manufacture from scratch this keyboard?  My TFT screen?  The PC under my desk?

How about a car?  We used to be able to do that, with British steel, largely.  And without buying all the
electronics from Bosch.

Repackaging 'made in china in bulk' for distribution is technically a factory, on some level, and it fills our
industrial parks.

There is no emoji on here to express my sadness at this.  We train engineers to ... optimise packaging.

What has this or the comment about 'what are factories' got to do with whether or not working girls are feeling the pinch and the comparison made between wages in a factory and escort's earnings.

If you want to get on your soap box and bleat on about manufacturing in the UK then do it in off topic, it has nothing to do with punting or this thread.

[Whiteknight]

If you want to get on your soap box and bleat on about manufacturing in the UK then do it in off topic, it has nothing to do with punting or this thread.

+1 

[PilotMan]

Everyone is feeling the pinch, these girls need our trade it's their bread and butter the cost of renting a room house hotel all gone up, sooner or later I hope they realise less punters and to tempt them back is to reduce the price, disposable income tight for some punters including me.

This is where you're wrong - not everyone is feeling the pinch.

I know lots of people who aren't affected by higher energy or fuel bills or food, their biggest problem is how to jump the waiting list for a new Defender. In my business, my biggest problem is sourcing stock, I can't get enough to satisfy demand.

The cost of living crisis disproportionately affects those whose expenditure is almost already accounted for with little disposable income. If my fuel and energy costs double it doesn't really affect me, I don't have to stop punting, or curtail any other discretionary spending - in 2020 my energy costs were over £6k P.A. - I've no idea how much they are now, it's not something I think about. I only use Super+ UL in my cars and I couldn't tell you the cost per litre of fuel, I don't even watch the £meter spin around when I fill the tank.

Because punting is an expensive discretionary spend, my assumption is (and it is an assumption) that the majority of frequent Punters would be less affected by the COL crisis than most. If you're in a family household with a tight budget already, you probably aren't punting (or very infrequently).

As for Prossies, the ones who offer a good service will always be in demand and will attract punters who have available discretionary funds for multiple hour bookings. My recent attempts to book girls has been challenging, so it would seem there are plenty of these punters around.

I suspect that you may well be right in that prossies who serve the cheaper end of the market will feel the pinch as some of their punters gradually dry up and therefore have to alter their business model. I see little change in the pricing of quality providers, their typical punter will not be affected by the COL crisis.

 ...........Waits for flaming from the local Trade Union Steward

[Moby Dick]

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^

Plus WG way of thinking is “ooh I haven’t seen as many clients these past few weeks, I am going to have to increase my prices to cover my bills”
They will set a target of what they want to earn. Either they will do more hours (waiting by their dusty phone) or put their prices up.
Very few, unless desperate, will even think of dropping their prices.

[PaulRuff]

Have seen a couple drop from £80hh/£160h to £70hh/£140h in my area over the last week.