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Offline scutty brown

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A woman who ran a successful brothel has been ordered to hand over more than a quarter of million pound worth of profits.

Guoyan Ma was found guilty of five charges of controlling prostitution for gain involving women aged between 35 and 49. The women were described as “the tip of the iceberg” and a court heard on Monday that 60-year-old Ma had benefited by a total of £274,866

The Proceeds of Crime case had been listed for a full hearing but the benefit figure was agreed out of court as was the figure of £389,685 as her realisable assets. Liverpool Crown Court heard that her assets included her home and the premises used as the brothel, cash in five bank accounts and her car, a Toyota Yaris.

Judge Neil Flewitt, KC ordered that she hand over the benefit figure within three months or face 30 months imprisonment in default.

Ma, of Clarence Street, Padgate, Warrington, was sentenced to 18 months in prison suspended for two years and ordered to carry out unpaid work and rehabilitation activities after being convicted in July last year after a trial.

The jury heard how the brothel provided an opportunity for Chinese women to earn money to remain in the country illegally. Ma, a naturalised British citizen, used mobile phone messaging applications to recruit women and then advertised their sexual services to men through flare messages written through the help of Google Translate.

She would arrange for the women to travel to the brothel at Pyramid Court in Warrington town centre, where men would pay the women to engage in sexual activity. The regularity and volume of the business, which would see upwards of seven visits from men a day, was described as a ‘significant’ operation, with an expectation of ‘significant financial gain’, said Simon Parry, prosecuting.

The court heard that cameras inside the property had been placed in the hallway facing the front door as well as the kitchen for Ma to see who was coming in and out of the address. There was also a variety of sexual paraphernalia in the bedrooms.

A police surveillance operation in August and September 2019 recorded women who had been employed by Ma attending and leaving the property. She was arrested the following month at the brothel.

When her mobile phones were analysed, messages dating back from 2014 to 2015 were found. These included some from her speaking to the women about weekly takings of between £2,705 and £3,135.



Any idea what a "flare message" is? That's a new one to me

Offline Cent

Any idea what a "flare message" is? That's a new one to me
broadcast text

Offline markballoon

Its normally used in drug business.  The 'Dealer' will send a flare message out to all the smackheads to tell them what goods he has etc.

Offline Shabaz

They will send a text to every contact they have in there phone

"New girl starting today, 5 girls working"

Offline markmark13

Daft, probably very daft, question. If she doesn't pay the £359k within 3 months and goes to prison, does she still owe it afterwards?

Offline finn5555

Daft, probably very daft, question. If she doesn't pay the £359k within 3 months and goes to prison, does she still owe it afterwards?

Normally as part of the sentence, if they don’t pay it back, they stay in prison longer

Offline RandomGuy99

Daft, probably very daft, question. If she doesn't pay the £359k within 3 months and goes to prison, does she still owe it afterwards?
They'll say her assets were paid for with the proceeds of crime and they'll seize them and sell them to realise the cash.

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« Last Edit: July 05, 2023, 11:57:17 pm by RandomGuy99 »

Offline RandomGuy99

Not good that she was recording everyone who was coming and going and keeping phone call info back to 2014/2015.

Offline Nevercold8

Recording everything is just the dumbest thing you could do. Basically just evidence against you.

Offline RandomGuy99

Recording everything is just the dumbest thing you could do. Basically just evidence against you.
I wonder if they have all the phone numbers of the punters too?

They can probably match the phone numbers to the people's faces.

Why would she record everything? Seems odd.

Offline scutty brown

If you combined those records with a Ring doorbell there would be problems

Offline JoJo93

Seems odd how can they determine it was indeed a "Brothel" and not a massage parlour?

Offline RandomGuy99

Seems odd how can they determine it was indeed a "Brothel" and not a massage parlour?
If more than one SP is working at the same location, then it's a brothel under the law especially if they're offering full service.  Presumably the police must have sent someone in or contacted them to find out what was on offer and then they paid a visit in person and they must have found multiple SPs on site and the video footage must have confirmed multiple SPs working there at the same time.

It sounds like this place brought attention to itself with the number of SPs and visitors per day.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2023, 03:27:13 pm by RandomGuy99 »

Offline RandomGuy99

If she stored the video and phone records since 2014 then there's potentially the details of:

7 people a day x 320 days a year x 5 years before she was arrested = 11,200 punters

How many of them used punting phones?

It's really easy to do surveillance of these places. Just drop them a text making a booking. You get the address. You no show and then you sit there and watch for a day or two and see what happens.  The entrance must have been visible from the street for the police to have watched the women coming and going.  They may also have gotten reports from neighbours.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2023, 08:50:48 am by RandomGuy99 »

Offline Chris1990mcr

If she stored the video and phone records since 2014 then there's potentially the details of:

7 people a day x 320 days a year x 5 years before she was arrested = 11,200 punters

How many of them used punting phones?

It's really easy to do surveillance of these places. Just drop them a text making a booking. You get the address. You no show and then you sit there and watch for a day or two and see what happens.  The entrance must have been visible from the street for the police to have watched the women coming and going.  They may also have gotten reports from neighbours.

Police aren't arsed about the punter it isn't a criminal offence is it.

They are arsed about running of these places and trafficking as demonstrated or else they would do a max exodus of booking prossies on adultwork, and once in put them in cuffs.


Offline Man of steel

Interesting read.

Reminds me of Lush Escorts business model in Birmingham.  I wonder whether they are being targeted by the Police. The owners must have made a fortune and probably not declared profits. Trafficking cheap sex and have approx 12 girls working 12 hour shifts in their 4 apartments. Some of the  reviews by Punters appear to insinuate substance use, coercion and exploitation of girls. They have recently tried to change work practices with higher pricing.

Offline RandomGuy99

Interesting read.

Reminds me of Lush Escorts business model in Birmingham.  I wonder whether they are being targeted by the Police. The owners must have made a fortune and probably not declared profits. Trafficking cheap sex and have approx 12 girls working 12 hour shifts in their 4 apartments. Some of the  reviews by Punters appear to insinuate substance use, coercion and exploitation of girls. They have recently tried to change work practices with higher pricing.
And weirdly none of the people that were using Lush seemed to have had a problem with their work practices until they put their prices up by £20 an hour.

Offline JoJo93

If more than one SP is working at the same location, then it's a brothel under the law especially if they're offering full service.  Presumably the police must have sent someone in or contacted them to find out what was on offer and then they paid a visit in person and they must have found multiple SPs on site and the video footage must have confirmed multiple SPs working there at the same time.

It sounds like this place brought attention to itself with the number of SPs and visitors per day.

Thanks for the reply. I was aware of the 'More than one SP at the same location it's a brothel rule' but I thought it was illegal for the police to disguise themselves as a customer? The cameras would of been in public areas for their own security and surely that's not evidence of it being a brothel and not a massage parlour?
I was always under the impression these places were "bulletproof" unless girls were working in our country illegally or they got raided in the act. Interesting read and it's quite off putting using a massage parlor again

Offline scutty brown

Condoms, baby oil, and wipes in the room would have been enough to prove the case

Offline Man of steel

And weirdly none of the people that were using Lush seemed to have had a problem with their work practices until they put their prices up by £20 an hour.

Agree you may be right - the price increase could have been a tactic to make them more reputable. Prior to the price increase and during transition,  alot of young girls recruited who only lasted for approx 2 weeks or so before burnout. Examples - Anna, Bella, Stella. A number of Rom girls etc.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2023, 01:36:43 pm by Man of steel »

Offline RandomGuy99

Agree you may be right - the price increase could have been a tactic to make them more reputable. Prior to the price increase and during transition,  alot of young girls recruited who only lasted for approx 2 weeks or so before burnout. Examples - Anna, Bella, Stella. A number of Rom girls etc.
That must have been a nightmare for the SPs.  12 hrs of a constant stream of random SSs turning up for sex with few breaks and nobody really caring about the physical or mental welfare of the SPs. During those hours they may have had a number of difficult situations and nowhere to go to discuss them or to get help.  Instead it was "the next man is waiting" and pressure to do the job. They must have physically ached at the end of doing a shift never mind doing a week of it.  No wonder they only lasted 2 weeks and on here the SSs were complaining about poor service and it costing them a whole £60 for 30 minutes of an SP's time.  Working in that kind of environment probably led SPs to take drugs to keep going or to face yet another stream of random SSs wanting to have sex with them.  Perhaps the Lush management should try a day of working under those conditions.

I hope the slightly higher prices results in a reduction in the number of SSs and hopefully shorter working hours (maybe a max of 7) and better welfare for the SPs.

Clearly Lush viewed the SPs as consumables that they'd wear out and then replace instead of looking after them to build a longer term business relationship with like some of the agencies do.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2023, 01:59:42 pm by RandomGuy99 »

Offline scutty brown

Interesting read.

Reminds me of Lush Escorts business model in Birmingham. I wonder whether they are being targeted by the Police. The owners must have made a fortune and probably not declared profits. Trafficking cheap sex and have approx 12 girls working 12 hour shifts in their 4 apartments. Some of the  reviews by Punters appear to insinuate substance use, coercion and exploitation of girls. They have recently tried to change work practices with higher pricing.

Police can only target them if someone tells the police what's going on, and the addresses

Offline markmark13

Just Googled that Warrington address. It's about 100 yards from the police station!

Offline RandomGuy99

Just Googled that Warrington address. It's about 100 yards from the police station!
Lol they must have been watching out of their windows with a nice supply of hot coffee and donuts to hand.

Offline Chris1990mcr

Lol they must have been watching out of their windows with a nice supply of hot coffee and donuts to hand.

Probably visiting

Offline JoJo93

Just Googled that Warrington address. It's about 100 yards from the police station!

Almost close enough to be a peep show

Offline psb

Just like the parlour in Cheetham Hill that faced directly at the plod station for years until they busted them for traficking . Though the girl that I used to see there was from Leeds