Does Sergi get freebies?

[Good-timer]

Just curious to know if anyone has ever spoken to a WG before who is run by a Sergi if they have to shag him regularly for free?             For me to be in a house with a girl walking round in next to nothing I'd be wanting some action all the time.

[Happyjose]

Just curious to know if anyone has ever spoken to a WG before who is run by a Sergi if they have to shag him regularly for free?             For me to be in a house with a girl walking round in next to nothing I'd be wanting some action all the time.

So, in your pimp scumbag fantasy, not only would you illegally control the activities of another person for gain, you’d also use your position to effectively force them to have sex with you.

Good to know

[daviemac]

Agree with Happyjose on this one OP, most decent minded people abhor the type of people who control girls in prostitution and force themselves on them as part of the deal.

You wanting to emulate this shows what kind of person you are.   

[pythondan]

+1 - I would not be attracted in the slightest to a girl that was controllled and not working under her own free will.

Maybe there should be an "Ethical Punter" scheme where members agree to avoid/walk from suspect situations and report suspicions of controlled girls to Crimestoppers.

[Happyjose]

+1 - I would not be attracted in the slightest to a girl that was controllled and not working under her own free will.

Maybe there should be an "Ethical Punter" scheme where members agree to avoid/walk from suspect situations and report suspicions of controlled girls to Crimestoppers.

You’ll find many threads on here where members are advised to report situations like you have described to the authorities

[Thecunninglinguist]

I would have thought that sex on demand for the pimp and any of his mates he chose was all part of the control and coersion used to keep his meal ticket compliant? Sorry if that spoils anyone's illusions but part of seeing the picture of non independent and the majority of non British women.

[winkywanky]

Just curious to know if anyone has ever spoken to a WG before who is run by a Sergi if they have to shag him regularly for free?             For me to be in a house with a girl walking round in next to nothing I'd be wanting some action all the time.

A very high likelihood they do, either the pimp is her 'boyfriend' (some girls actually believe this) or the girls realise this is 'part of the deal' and have to endure it.

I'm not quite sure whether you're getting off on the idea of this (or even considering pimping as a career option) but unless you come up with a plausible and genuine reason for asking, you potentially sound like a bit of a cunt.

[tantric talents]

Does a bear shit in the woods? 
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Please feel free to continue the list....

[winkywanky]

Hardsports will be (a lot) extra  .

[tantric talents]

 

Hardsports will be (a lot) extra  .

[nodrah]

Does a bear shit in the woods? 
Is the Pope a Catholic?
Please feel free to continue the list....

Is good timer a twat ?

[Zak67]

Of course he does.

All you need to do us look on pornhub.
Roumanian escort and you'll see sergi at work

[Bonker]

Does the pope shit in the woods?

[Hotdogboy88]

Feels there’s been a massive over reaction by some posters here considering we on a punting site and not mumsnet which I thought I was reading the first few responses.

If I suspect any dodgy pimp stuff that the girl not happy with then I jog on. But believe me no girl is here as advised by her career adviser.

Of course he gets freebies.  You wouldn’t not test your coffee/product in a coffee/said product
shop/ outlet.

[LLPunting]

A very high likelihood they do, either the pimp is her 'boyfriend' (some girls actually believe this) or the girls realise this is 'part of the deal' and have to endure it.

I'm not quite sure whether you're getting off on the idea of this (or even considering pimping as a career option) but unless you come up with a plausible and genuine reason for asking, you potentially sound like a bit of a cunt.

By "bit" I think you meant "total", you Eeengleesh and your stooopid reservation!

OP, is generally conforming to his trait of being a taker, as evidenced by his history.

[Kenco657]

Feels there’s been a massive over reaction by some posters here considering we on a punting site and not mumsnet which I thought I was reading the first few responses.

If I suspect any dodgy pimp stuff that the girl not happy with then I jog on. But believe me no girl is here as advised by her career adviser.

Of course he gets freebies.  You wouldn’t not test your coffee/product in a coffee/said product
shop/ outlet.

It’s not an overreaction.
Discussing the positives of pimping out WG’s should be met with a hard smack in the mouth.
Shame on the op for even bringing this up.
It’s not exactly a question that requires a lot of thought to know the answer.
Definitely doesn’t need to be a thread about it.

[PLeisure]

OP, how old are you. Genuine enquiry...

[LLPunting]

OP, how old are you. Genuine enquiry...

Sadly it's not chronological age that will make any difference, apart from if he's so old he gets leniency from m'lud.

[daviemac]

Feels there’s been a massive over reaction by some posters here considering we on a punting site and not mumsnet which I thought I was reading the first few responses.

If I suspect any dodgy pimp stuff that the girl not happy with then I jog on. But believe me no girl is here as advised by her career adviser.

Of course he gets freebies.  You wouldn’t not test your coffee/product in a coffee/said product
shop/ outlet.

So you're another one who sees no wrong in EE pimps controlling prostitutes and forcing themselves on them whenever they like.   

There's a vast difference between a girl choosing to go into sex work of her own free will and being coerced and or forced by some pimp.

There's been raids in recent years on Romanian brothels in the NE where girls were trafficked for prostitution so 'Sergie's' have a history of it.

Yes this is a punters forum where paid for sex is discussed but that doesn't mean we have to condone the illegal activities of low life scum pimps exploiting the more vulnerable. It's been said before on here as responsible punters we should be reporting instances where trafficking is suspected, we are, after all, in a better position to spot such things.

Feel free to explain why you think the points I've raised are wrong and why I should be posting such things on Mumsnet.

[hawkzville]

On the occasions where I have spotted the likely Sergi skulking around (usually happens where the W/G works from a hotel room and they leave it to the last minute to head out and drink snake venom or slaughter  babies or whatever they do) and my immediate thought is to punch such a scum-bag into next week; before mentally checking myself with the thought that as they have such a low-life existence pulling a knife would likely be second nature. I'm sure Sergi helps himself as he sees fit; without care or concern to the implications of his actions. For me the most likely reason I'll end this hobby will be because one day I just won't be able to restrain myself; clearly that would be a bad idea, hence I now punt very rarely.

[Hotdogboy88]

So you're another one who sees no wrong in EE pimps controlling prostitutes and forcing themselves on them whenever they like.   

There's a vast difference between a girl choosing to go into sex work of her own free will and being coerced and or forced by some pimp.

There's been raids in recent years on Romanian brothels in the NE where girls were trafficked for prostitution so 'Sergie's' have a history of it.

Yes this is a punters forum where paid for sex is discussed but that doesn't mean we have to condone the illegal activities of low life scum pimps exploiting the more vulnerable. It's been said before on here as responsible punters we should be reporting instances where trafficking is suspected, we are, after all, in a better position to spot such things.

Feel free to explain why you think the points I've raised are wrong and why I should be posting such things on Mumsnet.

If you read my post I clearly said I have nothing to do with girls I feel did choose this line of work 100% independently.
The mums net comment was just a bit lighthearted as a couple of posts went right over the top in “my opinion”
Chill out.

[Hotdogboy88]

Isn’t sergi jus ukp slang for a pimp in general or is it solely Romanian pimps? I believe the OP meant pimps in general. Which is why I refuse to see girls who work for agency’s. Dress it up as you want but they are pimps at the end of the day. I refuse to hand my money over to girls who are not independent. 

[Beamer]

So you're another one who sees no wrong in EE pimps controlling prostitutes and forcing themselves on them whenever they like.   

There's a vast difference between a girl choosing to go into sex work of her own free will and being coerced and or forced by some pimp.

There's been raids in recent years on Romanian brothels in the NE where girls were trafficked for prostitution so 'Sergie's' have a history of it.

Yes this is a punters forum where paid for sex is discussed but that doesn't mean we have to condone the illegal activities of low life scum pimps exploiting the more vulnerable. It's been said before on here as responsible punters we should be reporting instances where trafficking is suspected, we are, after all, in a better position to spot such things.

Feel free to explain why you think the points I've raised are wrong and why I should be posting such things on Mumsnet.

A lot to agree with here .... basic human rights should be prevalent in what ever market you work in or enjoy as a service.

[guymids-72]

Before even considering seeing a new SP I have to be 100% sure they are independent.
Couldn't live with myself if I saw trafficked girls.....

[Moby Dick]

Feels there’s been a massive over reaction by some posters here considering we on a punting site and not mumsnet which I thought I was reading the first few responses.

If I suspect any dodgy pimp stuff that the girl not happy with then I jog on. But believe me no girl is here as advised by her career adviser.

Of course he gets freebies.  You wouldn’t not test your coffee/product in a coffee/said product
shop/ outlet.

Massive Over Reaction??
Sounds like you are sitting on the fence and missing the point.
OP deserves to be questioned about his views.
I do not believe this site is about supporting and advocating the practices of pimps who coerce, control and force women into prostitution.
Glad to hear you report it and move on, but why defend the OP?

[Beamer]

Massive Over Reaction??
Sounds like you are sitting on the fence and missing the point.
OP deserves to be questioned about his views.
I do not believe this site is about supporting and advocating the practices of pimps who coerce, control and force women into prostitution.
Glad to hear you report it and move on, but why defend the OP?

+1

[Hotdogboy88]

Massive Over Reaction??
Sounds like you are sitting on the fence and missing the point.
OP deserves to be questioned about his views.
I do not believe this site is about supporting and advocating the practices of pimps who coerce, control and force women into prostitution.
Glad to hear you report it and move on, but why defend the OP?

I didn’t set out to defend him, if it’s come across as that was nt my intention. It was clearly a stupid question that should and was originally ignored y myself as not worth a response, but some walked straight into it. No reaction to the op was the best option. That’s coming from a guy who refuses to see agency/pimp controlled girls. Unlike some of the posters who have reviewed agency controlled girls. You couldn’t make it up.

[Hotdogboy88]

A lot to agree with here .... basic human rights should be prevalent in what ever market you work in or enjoy as a service.

Hope this review helps illustrate my point.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=246437.0

[Moby Dick]

I didn’t set out to defend him, if it’s come across as that was nt my intention. It was clearly a stupid question that should and was originally ignored y myself as not worth a response, but some walked straight into it. No reaction to the op was the best option. That’s coming from a guy who refuses to see agency/pimp controlled girls. Unlike some of the posters who have reviewed agency controlled girls. You couldn’t make it up.

No reaction?
Really?
The OP and possible others (that are reading or thinking this) need to be made aware that pimping/controlling will not be tolerated.
If we just ignored his post then others may think we accept.

[Moby Dick]

Hope this review helps illustrate my point.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=246437.0

Nope, you fucked up and now are diverting attention.
If you have a point to make about this review then why not make it there and then?

[Hotdogboy88]

No reaction?
Really?
The OP and possible others (that are reading or thinking this) need to be made aware that pimping/controlling will not be tolerated.
If we just ignored his post then others may think we accept.

Fair enough. That’s a good point.
Like I said it was only my opinion and respect yours. I’m certainly not going to demand you justify your opinions to me. 

[Moby Dick]

Fair enough. That’s a good point.
Like I said it was only my opinion and respect yours. I’m certainly not going to demand you justify your opinions to me. 

[Hotdogboy88]

Nope, you fucked up and now are diverting attention.
If you have a point to make about this review then why not make it there and then?

Because I’ve only just seen it. The girl he saw at a bargain price so she had some money to give to her pimp has long gone now. The hypocrisy of it.

[nightbot]

I don't think it's an overreaction to call out someone for something that can potentially enable more trafficking and coercion in this industry.

And if anything this being a punter's forum should mean posts like OP's should get called out even harder because while people here pay for sex, the people here should be more familiar with the importance of consent and free will than people elsewhere. Normalising anything otherwise should not be acceptable imo. And ignorance is a form of acceptance as well.

[Jonestown]

The OP and possible others (that are reading or thinking this) need to be made aware that pimping/controlling will not be tolerated.

Pimping/controlling are an indivisible part of prostitution, just the same as drug dealers are part of recreational drug use. Just being involved in prostitution at any level gives oxygen to pimps and controllers, its virtually  impossible to identify those girls that are truly 100% independent. Traffiking is a now much abused term, (just giving a wg a post punt lift to her next job counts as trafficking), coercion is the real enemy here, girls having to take part in prostitution against their will.

[Global_Punter]

Most of the girls are the pimps girlfriends and in most cases their wife's ( I noticed these with Romanians )

Exploring more before the girls get in the trade they date this guys, another bad taste to the mouth some get raped to get them in line.

BUTT as stated its nothing to fantasize about...   

[Moby Dick]

Pimping/controlling are an indivisible part of prostitution, just the same as drug dealers are part of recreational drug use. Just being involved in prostitution at any level gives oxygen to pimps and controllers, its virtually  impossible to identify those girls that are truly 100% independent. Traffiking is a now much abused term, (just giving a wg a post punt lift to her next job counts as trafficking), coercion is the real enemy here, girls having to take part in prostitution against their will.

I think you have raised some good points.
But also note there are plenty of WGs who choose to do this as a job.
They do it because it pays them better than other jobs and also they don’t have a boss, can choose their own hours, and rate of pay. Independents do exist and they have what I consider a good lifestyle.
I think you can tell the difference between the WG we both describe.

[nightbot]

Yea that's a fair point but the other thing being recreational drug use still involves a bit of illegal activity i.e. the dealer producing the drug etc even if the actual usage may or may not be illegal. Whereas buying sex from an independent escort is entirely legal with zero flags on my conscience. I think what I'm saying is that in one case there is an alternative that's entirely legal and in the other there isn't and as such it has more room to facilitate the illegal aspect of that activity.

[Jonestown]

I think you have raised some good points.
But also note there are plenty of WGs who choose to do this as a job.
They do it because it pays them better than other jobs and also they don’t have a boss, can choose their own hours, and rate of pay. Independents do exist and they have what I consider a good lifestyle.
I think you can tell the difference between the WG we both describe.

you can probably tell the difference at the two extremes, but for the majority of girls somewhere in between its not so certain, and there is no real way to establish the true circumstances of a girl. In commercial sex as in any business there is a need for management of some kind, it tend to get labelled pimping, which like prostitution its self is one of the ugliest words in the English language, but not all management involves coercion and heavy handed controlling. We are involved, in our way, with a murky, often dirty business - its hard to claim the moral high ground, and its so easy to fall from grace.

[Happyjose]

I didn’t set out to defend him, if it’s come across as that was nt my intention. It was clearly a stupid question that should and was originally ignored y myself as not worth a response, but some walked straight into it. No reaction to the op was the best option.

This doesn't really make sense

As far as I'm concerned, contentious issues should always be confronted.

Otherwise the enemies of this site (of which there are many) will assume that no challenge means it represents the norm

[Jonestown]

It was clearly a stupid question.....

Exactly, it was written at 6.30am, the OP had probably spent a long lonely night beating his meat and wanted to reach out the world for comfort and solice - and this stupid question was all he could come up with.

[Moby Dick]

you can probably tell the difference at the two extremes, but for the majority of girls somewhere in between its not so certain, and there is no real way to establish the true circumstances of a girl. In commercial sex as in any business there is a need for management of some kind, it tend to get labelled pimping, which like prostitution its self is one of the ugliest words in the English language, but not all management involves coercion and heavy handed controlling. We are involved, in our way, with a murky, often dirty business - its hard to claim the moral high ground, and its so easy to fall from grace.

Very true, there is a difference between pop up parlours and “well run” parlours. Understanding the set up is more important than what’s on offer.
I know “independents” who also work in parlours and are happy to give the parlour “pimp” her cut because they can still earn more money from “walk ins” rather than answering messages, calls, scheduling appointments, that then get cancelled, paying out for hotel rooms, providing clean towels and feel safer etc. The point is it is their choice.
At least this thread may get one or two punters to reconsider where they punt.

[daviemac]

Isn’t sergi jus ukp slang for a pimp in general or is it solely Romanian pimps? I believe the OP meant pimps in general. Which is why I refuse to see girls who work for agency’s. Dress it up as you want but they are pimps at the end of the day. I refuse to hand my money over to girls who are not independent. 

No it isn't, from the punting wiki - 'Sergei: Popular phrase on UKP when referring to an EE Pimp.'

Abdul: Generic term for a South Asian pimp
Kevin: Popular phrase on UKP when referring to an English Pimp.

However you are totally missing the point, you can't seem to understand the difference between a girl who wants to work for an agency and is quite happy to pay them commission for the admin side and EEs who are trafficked into the UK and forced into prostitution.

There was a member on here a while ago who thought it would be fun to book an EE escort and turn up absolutely stinking and dirty knowing full well she's be too scared of the pimp to refuse to see him, he got banned, after he was told in no uncertain terms what we thought of him.

Don't tell me to chill, I've seen first hand the effect these EE / Asian pimps have on families. Thankfully the police in the NE are very proactive and take action.

You condoning, or at least your reluctance to condemn, this type of thing says an awful lot about you as a person. 

BTW I'm one who regularly sees agency girls but the agencies I use are run by ex escorts and all the ones they represent are there by their own choice. In fact by you only seeing 'independents' you have more chance of booking one who's been trafficked than I have. EE pimps tend to stay in the background and let the girls take bookings in order not to attract attention.

[Hotdogboy88]

No it isn't, from the punting wiki - 'Sergei: Popular phrase on UKP when referring to an EE Pimp.'

Abdul: Generic term for a South Asian pimp
Kevin: Popular phrase on UKP when referring to an English Pimp.

However you are totally missing the point, you can't seem to understand the difference between a girl who wants to work for an agency and is quite happy to pay them commission for the admin side and EEs who are trafficked into the UK and forced into prostitution.

There was a member on here a while ago who thought it would be fun to book an EE escort and turn up absolutely stinking and dirty knowing full well she's be too scared of the pimp to refuse to see him, he got banned, after he was told in no uncertain terms what we thought of him.

Don't tell me to chill, I've seen first hand the effect these EE / Asian pimps have on families. Thankfully the police in the NE are very proactive and take action.

You condoning, or at least your reluctance to condemn, this type of thing says an awful lot about you as a person. 

BTW I'm one who regularly sees agency girls but the agencies I use are run by ex escorts and all the ones they represent are there by their own choice. In fact by you only seeing 'independents' you have more chance of booking one who's been trafficked than I have. EE pimps tend to stay in the background and let the girls take bookings in order not to attract attention.

Again I take it you didn’t read my posts. Any suspicion I have or a miss treated I’m out of there and reporting it to the police. Ironically I’m currently a witness that will be called to a case. I have done so on many occasions In The past. I will not tolerate it one bit.

The truth is none of us know 100% whether the girl is forced or not we make judgement calls. But I know of girls that struggle to leave on good terms from as you put agencies run by former escorts. Just because they may not physically abuse them, there are other ways to control them. I’m sure you a responsible punter like most on her.

I didn’t realise at the time responding to such a shit thread would cause so much upset. Wish I didn’t bother now.

[Hotdogboy88]

Oh and thanks for clearing up the different slang for pimps. Would have made a difference to me if I’d known in the first place. As I thought he was on about all sorts of pimps madams agency bosses landlords that know what they renting they rooms for, husbands boyfriends  etc etc. All who one way or the other take money from working girls.

To once again to confirm my stance sergi is a cunt. As are all the above.

[Hotdogboy88]

If I suspect any dodgy pimp stuff that the girl not happy with then I jog on.

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[daviemac]

Again I take it you didn’t read my posts.

Yes I have read your posts, particularly your first reply -

Feels there’s been a massive over reaction by some posters here considering we on a punting site and not mumsnet which I thought I was reading the first few responses.

If I suspect any dodgy pimp stuff that the girl not happy with then I jog on. But believe me no girl is here as advised by her career adviser.

Of course he gets freebies.  You wouldn’t not test your coffee/product in a coffee/said product
shop/ outlet.

Nothing in that to indicate your stance on trafficked / coerced escorts, nor any indication you would report it, in fact you don't condemn it at all with you claiming overreaction. 

All your subsequent post have been attempts at justifying this post with a substantial amount of backtracking.

FYI anyone working in food outlets have the amount they can have free /receive a discount on written into the contract as part of the job description, they can't just help themselves when the feel like it.

I find it best to have a think about what I post before I post it, maybe you should give it a try.

[Hotdogboy88]

Yes I have read your posts, particularly your first reply -

Nothing in that to indicate your stance on trafficked / coerced escorts, nor any indication you would report it, in fact you don't condemn it at all with you claiming overreaction. 

All your subsequent post have been attempts at justifying this post with a substantial amount of backtracking.

FYI anyone working in food outlets have the amount they can have free /receive a discount on written into the contract as part of the job description, they can't just help themselves when the feel like it.

I find it best to have a think about what I post before I post it, maybe you should give it a try.

Because you read into what you wanted to and tried to put me to task for what ever reason. Your entitled to your views and can see where they come from. You probably a little upset that I mentioned agencies take money of girls , like you said you use them and you taken it personally. If that is the case I apologise for offending you. The truth is we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes it’s the obvious coerced cases we need/I will co to us to report for the benefit of the girl, not turn a blind eye to proctect myself. 


 Thank you for you advice.  It’s a cracker. 

[LLPunting]

Oh and thanks for clearing up the different slang for pimps. Would have made a difference to me if I’d known in the first place. As I thought he was on about all sorts of pimps madams agency bosses landlords that know what they renting they rooms for, husbands boyfriends  etc etc. All who one way or the other take money from working girls.

To once again to confirm my stance sergi is a cunt. As are all the above.

So the only girl you will see is a  committed, sole trading streetwalker or home owning homeworker ?
Sorry mate but your high handed logic just imploded.
Go think your morality thru again because your certainties just became deluded, convenient convictions (like the rest of us).
Unless perhaps you only punt personal friends whose circumstances are truthfully confessed to you?

[LLPunting]

Most of the girls are the pimps girlfriends and in most cases their wife's ( I noticed these with Romanians )

Exploring more before the girls get in the trade they date this guys, another bad taste to the mouth some get raped to get them in line.

BUTT as stated its nothing to fantasize about...   

A tad hyperbolic laddie.