GFE vs PSE

[WASA38]

Am I alone in finding the distinction often made beween GFE and PSE somewhat arbitrary ?

What I seek and have successfully found  is surely not unusual, namely porn star performance combined with girl friend attitude. A girl friend doesn't have to be a prude.

Perhaps grounds for a third acronym, ie GF+PS-E.

Of course this all begs the question, 'what constitutes PSE ?' Perhaps definable in terms of a mandatory combination of 'Enjoys', including, inter al,, anal, CIM, DT, RO, DFK, fingering, rimming both ways and swallowing.

[jimbobted]

GFE for me indicates "vanilla" nothing too raunchy, unlikely to include CIM etc unless she likes that sort of thing. Probably getting a bollocking for leaving the big seat up and making big wet footprints after the shower too  . PSE to me suggests something a bit more no holds barred with the girl prepared to do stuff she doesn't necessarily particularly enjoy (though I wouldn't expect anyone to do something the dislike). Implies rougher sex, bit of arse spanking etc.
Hottest GF I ever had was quite adventurous but wouldn't do deep throat or face fucking and was very squeamish about cum - in her pussy was the only option. Once persuaded her to have it on her tits and she went all nervous and weird, and no way was it going in her mouth or down her throat. I believe this had its roots in a bit of abuse from a much older man when she was a teenager - tale of a forced face fucking and CIM. She wasn't a prude by had her limits.

[Jonestown]

Am I alone in being amazed that people expect something largely illegal (a racket) like prostitution to be organised and run along guidelines and regulations ?

[threechilliman]

GFE for me indicates "vanilla" nothing too raunchy, unlikely to include CIM etc unless she likes that sort of thing. Probably getting a bollocking for leaving the big seat up and making big wet footprints after the shower too  . PSE to me suggests something a bit more no holds barred with the girl prepared to do stuff she doesn't necessarily particularly enjoy (though I wouldn't expect anyone to do something the dislike). Implies rougher sex, bit of arse spanking etc.
Hottest GF I ever had was quite adventurous but wouldn't do deep throat or face fucking and was very squeamish about cum - in her pussy was the only option. Once persuaded her to have it on her tits and she went all nervous and weird, and no way was it going in her mouth or down her throat. I believe this had its roots in a bit of abuse from a much older man when she was a teenager - tale of a forced face fucking and CIM. She wasn't a prude by had her limits.

For me its not about services, more style of delivery, PSE being more 'aggressively' delivered. Quite possible to have a vanilla PSE where only basic services are delivered, as well as a filthy GFE where more exotic services are on offer.

[bender999]

Am I alone in being amazed that people expect something largely illegal (a racket) like prostitution to be organised and run along guidelines and regulations ?

Prostitution i.e. the exchange of sexual services for money is NOT illegal in the UK. It may even be governed by consumer protection legislation. Anyone fancy a test case?
 

[Jonestown]

Prostitution i.e. the exchange of sexual services for money is NOT illegal in the UK. It may even be governed by consumer protection legislation. Anyone fancy a test case?

Prostitution is legal under specific conditions, I would say the the majority of prositution carried out in this country does not conform to the legal requirements.

[bender999]

Prostitution is legal under specific conditions, I would say the the majority of prositution carried out in this country does not conform to the legal requirements.

Why do you say that?

[Jonestown]

Why do you say that?

First take out of the equation brothels, parlours, agencies, TCM's, street activity, multi occupancy flats, etc., and you are not left with much, only true Indies fall within the law.

As for consumer protection, any contract covering an act that is deemed to be illegal can not be enforced in law, or so I understand.

[bender999]

First take out of the equation brothels, parlours, agencies, TCM's, street activity, multi occupancy flats, etc., and you are not left with much, only true Indies fall within the law.

As for consumer protection, any contract covering an act that is deemed to be illegal can not be enforced in law, or so I understand.

It is not a crime to sell sex in a brothel, unless the worker is involved in the management of the business. There's relatively little street activity these days.

[Jonestown]

It is not a crime to sell sex in a brothel, unless the worker is involved in the management of the business. There's relatively little street activity these days.

A brothel and the running of it is in itself illegal, so how can sex in a brothel be legal ?

[bender999]

A brothel and the running of it is in itself illegal, so how can sex in a brothel be legal ?

Managing or running a brothel is illegal. Agreed. Individuals who sell sex within the brothel but are not involved in the management of running of it are not doing anything illegal. The law is to protect people from being extorted or coerced into something they dont want to do. This is quite an important point we are discussing as you are claiming that the majority of punters are taking part in an illegal act. I disagree.

[jesse4585]

Am I alone in finding the distinction often made beween GFE and PSE somewhat arbitrary ?

Nope.

It's a shame many of us punters seem adverse to collective action, or maybe as the no 1 punting site we could come up with an "official" definition on what we expect from the terms.   Maybe something like the below, perhaps as you say fleshed out to include specific services.

GFE = is a girlfriend like experience where she acts like she genuinely likes you and has a personal connection. Giving not just her body & companionship, but what feels like real affection.

PSE = someone up for doing all sorts of kinky & dirty things,  often in an impersonal way like in some porn.

I guess both good GFE & PSE WG's have to be good actresses, otherwise they are more P&D.   A good GFE is ideally the sort who sees a bit of beauty in everything, so she can sometimes find even us below average punters attractive.  A good PSE WG is open minded & kinky.

Only going from limited experience, but I tend to find GFE WG's match the above.  Haven't tried a PSE yet.

[mike63]

Nope.

It's a shame many of us punters seem adverse to collective action, or maybe as the no 1 punting site we could come up with an "official" definition on what we expect from the terms.   Maybe something like the below, perhaps as you say fleshed out to include specific services.

GFE = is a girlfriend like experience where she acts like she genuinely likes you and has a personal connection. Giving not just her body & companionship, but what feels like real affection.

PSE = someone up for doing all sorts of kinky & dirty things,  often in an impersonal way like in some porn.
Or you could just decide what services you want, find a SP who will provide them and not worry about finding a description that covers it? I'm sure I've read 'GFE with a hint of PSE' on some SP's profiles, which should suit most eventualities.
I guess both good GFE & PSE WG's have to be good actresses, otherwise they are more P&D.   A good GFE is ideally the sort who sees a bit of beauty in everything, so she can sometimes find even us below average punters attractive.  A good PSE WG is open minded & kinky.

Only going from limited experience, but I tend to find GFE WG's match the above.  Haven't tried a PSE yet.

[mike63]

Nope.

It's a shame many of us punters seem adverse to collective action, or maybe as the no 1 punting site we could come up with an "official" definition on what we expect from the terms.   Maybe something like the below, perhaps as you say fleshed out to include specific services.

GFE = is a girlfriend like experience where she acts like she genuinely likes you and has a personal connection. Giving not just her body & companionship, but what feels like real affection.

PSE = someone up for doing all sorts of kinky & dirty things,  often in an impersonal way like in some porn.

I guess both good GFE & PSE WG's have to be good actresses, otherwise they are more P&D.   A good GFE is ideally the sort who sees a bit of beauty in everything, so she can sometimes find even us below average punters attractive.  A good PSE WG is open minded & kinky.

Only going from limited experience, but I tend to find GFE WG's match the above.  Haven't tried a PSE yet.

Apologies for above should read -It might be easier to decide the services you want, find an SP who provides them and not worry about trying to fit that into a description. I'm sure I've read 'GFE with a touch of PSE' on some SP's profiles, which seems to cover most eventualities.

[jesse4585]

It might be easier to decide the services you want, find an SP who provides them and not worry about trying to fit that into a description.

As others have said, it's not just about services but more the way they're delivered. I know this isn't true for all punters, but some of us like having basic services delivered the same way a GF does, not in an affection free pump & dump style.  The 'GFE' label is often a good way to find this.

I'm sure I've read 'GFE with a touch of PSE' on some SP's profiles, which seems to cover most eventualities.

Yep seen several AW profiles like that,  perhaps that's the sort of thing the OP is looking for.

[Malvolio]

If you read the AW profiles of WGs who offer both it's clear enough what you get in addition if you opt for PSE.

[Jonestown]

This is quite an important point we are discussing as you are claiming that the majority of punters are taking part in an illegal act. I disagree.

What I’m suggesting is that in a probable majority of instances of paid for sex someone is breaking the law, be it the girl, the punter, the the brothel/parlour/shop owner/manager, the agent.

[bender999]

And I think you're wrong. In the UK the lawmakers do not care about what sexual practices two consenting adults get up to in private, even if money changes hands. They are concerned with people being coerced into doing things they don't want to do and in particular minors, trafficked people and sex slaves and also if they  disturb or embarrass other people. Hence brothels owners, kerb crawlers, street walkers are targetted. Sex workers, both male and female, plying their trade in a private place including a brothel or parlour are not criminals and should not be regarded as such. It may be a sin in some religions but then so is masturbation.

To support your case please provide one instance of a sex worker being charged and found guilty for plying his/her trade in a private place.

[peter purves]

For me its not about services, more style of delivery, PSE being more 'aggressively' delivered. Quite possible to have a vanilla PSE where only basic services are delivered, as well as a filthy GFE where more exotic services are on offer.

I think this is my definition as well to some degree.

I think I would add that with the GFE it has to be as natural as possible, where an actual girlfriend (or newbie GF if we being totally accurate here  ) would care about you.

So for instance, she would not look at her mobile phone during the punt. She would not try to short-change you financially or with regard to service and would care that you had a good time - like a girlfriend

Very few have excelled at this, notables for me are: Jasmine Black, Leila4u and a strange one considering the amount of criticism she receives on here Busty Klara.

As for porn stars, I found Kora Kryk to be the best. I enjoyed my time with Monica Santhiago but that was more a GFE meets PSE. To be honest the porn on the silver screen I have yet to experience in a punt. Most porn stars like you suggest are vanilla compared to their screen performances.

Punter's Alienation 

[threechilliman]

I think this is my definition as well to some degree.

I think I would add that with the GFE it has to be as natural as possible, where an actual girlfriend (or newbie GF if we being totally accurate here  ) would care about you.

So for instance, she would not look at her mobile phone during the punt. She would not try to short-change you financially or with regard to service and would care that you had a good time - like a girlfriend

Very few have excelled at this, notables for me are: Jasmine Black, Leila4u and a strange one considering the amount of criticism she receives on here Busty Klara.

As for porn stars, I found Kora Kryk to be the best. I enjoyed my time with Monica Santhiago but that was more a GFE meets PSE. To be honest the porn on the silver screen I have yet to experience in a punt. Most porn stars like you suggest are vanilla compared to their screen performances.

Punter's Alienation 

I think the only true porn star I've seen is Rebecca More and she was exactly like her porno's. That said, I've had better experience's with ordinary WG's.

[mrfishyfoo]

Am I alone in finding the distinction often made beween GFE and PSE somewhat arbitrary ?

What I seek and have successfully found  is surely not unusual, namely porn star performance combined with girl friend attitude. A girl friend doesn't have to be a prude.

Perhaps grounds for a third acronym, ie GF+PS-E.

Of course this all begs the question, 'what constitutes PSE ?' Perhaps definable in terms of a mandatory combination of 'Enjoys', including, inter al,, anal, CIM, DT, RO, DFK, fingering, rimming both ways and swallowing.

It's all in the delivery IMHO.

As an example balls deep cock sucking done from tip to base in slow motion, and I mean really slowly, ain't PSE but the same done at speed is face fucking.

[getsbettereverytime]

One thing you can pretty much guarantee is for a proper PSE experience you are going to be paying a lot more for it than GFE, if it’s the same price then you probably ain’t going to get much in the way of PSE! You get what you pay for and for me it’s worth sometimes paying over the odds to get a proper filthy hour.