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Offline Dipper

Can we say for sure that each and every review is genuine?

Are a minority inflating their numbers? This isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. Just a question for discussion and not aimed at anyone. It’s been on my mind a while.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Can we say for sure that each and every review is genuine?

Are a minority inflating their numbers? This isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. Just a question for discussion and not aimed at anyone. It’s been on my mind a while.
No doubt some will post fake reviews for a variety of reasons like increasing their review count to try and improve their standing and online persona, multiple reviews of the same girl when nothing has really changed have limited value IMO

I would have thought that doing a review of someone that you simply haven't seen would likely be called out though especially if others had seen the girl and started questioning some of the finer details

Offline catweazle

Can we say for sure that each and every review is genuine?

Are a minority inflating their numbers? This isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. Just a question for discussion and not aimed at anyone. It’s been on my mind a while.

I think inevitably there will be a few fake reviews. Mods are bloody good at spotting them, though.

That said,  I don't think it's done to inflate  stats, it's either touting or white knighting.

Offline sim0256

Alabama.

I mean girls normally visitors , who do not allow reviews on sites like AW and EI or one is punting in the dark unless there is a review on here .

Those site reviews might not be worth much but they are a starting point and it shows the importance of putting up reviews here.

Offline Littlefoot

I am guessing that they have left that at a default setting as not relevant and/or data not collected.

 :hi: :hi:

Offline Dipper

I think inevitably there will be a few fake reviews. Mods are bloody good at spotting them, though.

That said,  I don't think it's done to inflate  stats, it's either touting or white knighting.

But the new stats tables MIGHT lead to an increase of fakes?

Offline LLPunting

Can we say for sure that each and every review is genuine?

Are a minority inflating their numbers? This isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. Just a question for discussion and not aimed at anyone. It’s been on my mind a while.

By all means be concerned for fake reviews as far as they are being lodged to inflate review counts but if you're going to toss out the accusation then state your own grounds for suspicion.  All of us would have to be subject to that lens:
So how many of your reviews are fake? 
Why should we consider you less suspect than anyone else?
What's your criteria for suspicion?  Just that someone visits more women than you think is fair/reasonable/plausible/affordable based on your own punting restrictions or your judgement about how much sex any punter might/should want to pay for?  Doesn't seem reasonable does it?
That they're lodging them simply to maintain useful/full access to the site?
What about pimps/SPs touting or trolling?  Unless we're certain about spotting all of these efforts then they adulterate our efforts to spot others posting un/believable fakes.

Perhaps we do have fantasists here getting their kicks from metaphorical willy waving by inflating the number of notches on their bedposts, but how many of them exist in a normal population let alone a punting one?  Who's done the definitive studies on that?  Incel studies? 

The data is incomplete as far as just looking at all the contributions here because it is certain that plenty of punters here aren't reviewing, it is certain that many punters who do contribute punt more often than they review so punting budgets are generally unknown.

Every punt is YMMV, maybe less variance with super reliable SPs but still not certain. 

A fluffy or WK review may be overly favouring of an SP but it could still be a valid review of a real event.  Yet more mud in the review count water.

A neutral or neg could be trolling of an SP but unless the reviewer is so inept in camouflaging their feelings and motives or keeping their story consistent there's not a lot we can be certain about. 

And there's still the possibility that an SP will challenge the review in person or by proxy for whatever good or bad motive she may have. 
And what about WKs who challenge negs about their darlings, kinda ruins our baselines for suspecting negs right?

Repeated posting of walks, ghostings or cancellations might be suspect but apart from inflating review count how does that really raise a punter's standing? 

Ultimately though, why should review count even matter if we're here to collate truthfulness about SP services?
Review count should only be a consequence of everyone here doing their bit to increase the credible knowledge pool about the SPs available.

Offline JontyR

It's an interesting feature. And fair play for thsoe that are towards the top of the rankings.

It's a given that those that are more along the lines of 15 minute pump and dumps will probably rack up more reviews than those of us that punt for longer but less often. But they still have to write them up and it does create the culture of the site which is one around contribution.

I certainly think that it'll mean that punters will be encouraged to write up whatever experiences they can even if they aren't ever going to be on the honours board. Given that blokes are pretty competitive in nature I do wonder whether there may be a stacking of reviews (ie keeping them to submit together at the start or end of the month) but I think this will be minimal.   

Offline myothernameis

Can we say for sure that each and every review is genuine?

Are a minority inflating their numbers? This isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. Just a question for discussion and not aimed at anyone. It’s been on my mind a while.

This month, have posted 3 reviews, and today includes two of them.  Each of my reviews is genuine, and the two in the Glasgow massage section, I wasn't intending in doing a review for these establishment, as there wasn't really a lot to be said

But guess with the new minimum requirement, thought it best to add my reviews

Offline Dipper

By all means be concerned for fake reviews as far as they are being lodged to inflate review counts but if you're going to toss out the accusation then state your own grounds for suspicion.  All of us would have to be subject to that lens:
So how many of your reviews are fake? 
Why should we consider you less suspect than anyone else?
What's your criteria for suspicion?  Just that someone visits more women than you think is fair/reasonable/plausible/affordable based on your own punting restrictions or your judgement about how much sex any punter might/should want to pay for?  Doesn't seem reasonable does it?
That they're lodging them simply to maintain useful/full access to the site?
What about pimps/SPs touting or trolling?  Unless we're certain about spotting all of these efforts then they adulterate our efforts to spot others posting un/believable fakes.

Perhaps we do have fantasists here getting their kicks from metaphorical willy waving by inflating the number of notches on their bedposts, but how many of them exist in a normal population let alone a punting one?  Who's done the definitive studies on that?  Incel studies? 

The data is incomplete as far as just looking at all the contributions here because it is certain that plenty of punters here aren't reviewing, it is certain that many punters who do contribute punt more often than they review so punting budgets are generally unknown.

Every punt is YMMV, maybe less variance with super reliable SPs but still not certain. 

A fluffy or WK review may be overly favouring of an SP but it could still be a valid review of a real event.  Yet more mud in the review count water.

A neutral or neg could be trolling of an SP but unless the reviewer is so inept in camouflaging their feelings and motives or keeping their story consistent there's not a lot we can be certain about. 

And there's still the possibility that an SP will challenge the review in person or by proxy for whatever good or bad motive she may have. 
And what about WKs who challenge negs about their darlings, kinda ruins our baselines for suspecting negs right?

Repeated posting of walks, ghostings or cancellations might be suspect but apart from inflating review count how does that really raise a punter's standing? 

Ultimately though, why should review count even matter if we're here to collate truthfulness about SP services?
Review count should only be a consequence of everyone here doing their bit to increase the credible knowledge pool about the SPs available.

There were no accusations as i made mention of in my original post. There won’t be any either.

You seem to have taken this personally which wasn’t the intention. It’s something that’s been on my mind for many years, long before this stats table came in.

You raise some great points later on in your post. Relax.  :drinks:
« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 02:59:19 pm by Dipper »

Online alabama1

Alabama.

I mean girls normally visitors , who do not allow reviews on sites like AW and EI or one is punting in the dark unless there is a review on here .

Those site reviews might not be worth much but they are a starting point and it shows the importance of putting up reviews here.
Sorry mate, i didn't understand a word of that !

Offline Littlefoot

Sorry mate, i didn't understand a word of that !

I think he’s talking about some girls sometimes won’t allow him to leave reviews on AW and a northern Irish escort site (EI). Then he goes on to mention those sites are not very reliable anyway, but their reviews or feedback are better than nothing. But without them you are punting in the dark unless there’s reviews on UKP to read. Basically he’s stressing the importance of UKP reviews, I think that’s what he means.   :hi:

Online alabama1

I think he’s talking about some girls sometimes won’t allow him to leave reviews on AW and a northern Irish escort site (EI). Then he goes on to mention those sites are not very reliable anyway, but their reviews or feedback are better than nothing. But without them you are punting in the dark unless there’s reviews on UKP to read. Basically he’s stressing the importance of UKP reviews, I think that’s what he means.   :hi:
Cheers for translating that into my native tongue mate !  :thumbsup:

Offline Littlefoot

Cheers for translating that into my native tongue mate !  :thumbsup:

 :hi:

Offline FiveKnuckles

Can we say for sure that each and every review is genuine?


no doubt a few lurkers have written fake reviews to justify their existence.   🐆 instinct within us can detect some of the BS reviews.

guys that have reviewed many times are usually consistent with the location, appearance, etc.  congrats to those that make the 100 :drinks:

Offline Hobbit

Nice feature but let's remember that it's not the size of your review count that makes you a man. :D It ain't a competition. Integrity and quality of reviews is also an important factor.

Offline LLPunting

There were no accusations as i made mention of in my original post. There won’t be any either.

You seem to have taken this personally which wasn’t the intention. It’s something that’s been on my mind for many years, long before this stats table came in.

You raise some great points later on in your post. Relax.  :drinks:

This wasn't taken personally.   :hi:

You raised the idea/concern that people posting "too many" reviews could be suspect, the accusation is a general one about how UKP (or any community collating knowledge) establishes credibility.  The few points I raised were challenging you to be more specific about establishing suspicion of any review such that it wouldn't count.  In trying to set your criteria, which would hopefully be far broader and numerous than those needed to address my limited points, the number of reviews becomes largely irrelevant as you are policing for "believability" or "sufficiently not suspicious" and having to assess reviews, whether they have few words or many and whether they cover many points of interest or barely any.  This in the wider space of how useful any review is i.e. what's the value of a ghosting VS a cancellation VS a B&S not taken VS a B&S taken with an unidentifiable SP who moves on unpredictably VS a neg/neut/pos with an SP who is always available through the same ad irrespective of the photos being her VS etc.

Offline Thepacifist

Respect to the top 100 prolific punters :hi: :drinks:


Offline daviemac

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What a brilliant idea.  ;)

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=300378
You've revived this thread to link to the one you started 18 months ago which got the same response as this one, including. -

I think a review league table or any sort of acclaim for best reviews, would just encourage petty behaviour.
Agree. It will just create a keyboard warrior battle.

If it wasn't a good idea 18 months ago what makes you think it's a good idea now.   :unknown: