Sergi, Leroy and Davemate fixing the market?

[Rickrabbit]

Just did an AW search within 5 miles of Ilford and happen to notice something of a trend. Around 10 new profiles (set up in the last 24/48hrs) all with just one photo on the profile page, no telephone number, minimum writeup and curiously enough, many without the usual warning you get on new profile setups. The other thing they have in common is that they feature half hour service at £60 and a full hour at £100. Is somebody trying to set a minimum bar at these rates going into 2015 I wonder?

I remember that there was always a tendency to have a brace of new profiles set up in the Enfield are from time to time, all with the same distance away miles and similar scant information. I guess just like building firms have land banks pimps,pro$$ies and chancers have profile banks which they keep topped up, so that when they put them out there they avoid the warnings that you get on new setups. 

[Jimmyredcab]

That is in my catchment area, I am very wary of profiles in that area, I now tend to just ignore them.   

[Sedlmayer]

Just did an AW search within 5 miles of Ilford and happen to notice something of a trend. Around 10 new profiles (set up in the last 24/48hrs) all with just one photo on the profile page, no telephone number, minimum writeup and curiously enough, many without the usual warning you get on new profile setups. The other thing they have in common is that they feature half hour service at £60 and a full hour at £100. Is somebody trying to set a minimum bar at these rates going into 2015 I wonder?

I remember that there was always a tendency to have a brace of new profiles set up in the Enfield are from time to time, all with the same distance away miles and similar scant information. I guess just like building firms have land banks pimps,pro$$ies and chancers have profile banks which they keep topped up, so that when they put them out there they avoid the warnings that you get on new setups. 

That may well be the idea, but since the sex industry is the ultimate unregulated market, there is nothing whatsoever to stop others entering the market at lower rates. Fixing the sex market either from the supply side (pimps and prostitutes setting prices) or from the demand side (punters saying that they won't pay more than X) will never work, because every individual will charge and pay what suits them.

[Aspen]

Batches of profiles like that seem to be PG scams and the like. They pop up all over and I noticed a load appear a couple of days agoi. Some of them don't have PG, so don't know what the purpose is there. Maybe to dilute the genuine ones, of which there are very few anyway.

[SirFrank]

Much the same in Cardiff. A few weeks ago I trawled through almost two pages of newly created bullshit profiles. I did think why fucking bother. I even contemplated putting in the legwork to goose the duchess but things haven't quite got that bad yet

[Corus Boy]

Much the same in Cardiff. A few weeks ago I trawled through almost two pages of newly created bullshit profiles. I did think why fucking bother. I even contemplated putting in the legwork to goose the duchess but things haven't quite got that bad yet

One little amusement when you have spare time is to start a new Hot List, with a distictive name.

Add all the new mass profiles to it.

Revisit it from time to time and notice if they have all migrated to the same new location

[The_Don]

This is why I like to use regulars.

But still test the market and on that note:

I thank UKP (and its members that add usable content) for being here. Helping punters limit the odds of a bad punt 

[smiths]

Just did an AW search within 5 miles of Ilford and happen to notice something of a trend. Around 10 new profiles (set up in the last 24/48hrs) all with just one photo on the profile page, no telephone number, minimum writeup and curiously enough, many without the usual warning you get on new profile setups. The other thing they have in common is that they feature half hour service at £60 and a full hour at £100. Is somebody trying to set a minimum bar at these rates going into 2015 I wonder?

I remember that there was always a tendency to have a brace of new profiles set up in the Enfield are from time to time, all with the same distance away miles and similar scant information. I guess just like building firms have land banks pimps,pro$$ies and chancers have profile banks which they keep topped up, so that when they put them out there they avoid the warnings that you get on new setups. 

This has been going on on A/W in my area for years. As ever its about sorting the gems from the shit, this year A/W has got markedly worse in my view with profile swapping becoming more prevalent sadly.

The good thing is there will always be other WGs and pimps who think differently and charge a different rate so trying to fix the market in London at least is no easy task fortunately.

[Sedlmayer]

This has been going on on A/W in my area for years. As ever its about sorting the gems from the shit, this year A/W has got markedly worse in my view with profile swapping becoming more prevalent sadly.

The good thing is there will always be other WGs and pimps who think differently and charge a different rate so trying to fix the market in London at least is no easy task fortunately.

Is impossible, actually. One example would be this - if it hadn't been for the influx of Poles, Czechs and Hungarians we'd be paying north of £200/hr now. As it is, these EE girls have come in and undercut British prostitutes, with the result that prices are now, in my experience and in real (adjusted for inflation) terms the lowest they have been in a long time.
The British prostitutes were attempting to force prices up, but it didn't work because the EE girls were prepared to work for less.

[Curious6705]

Tbh I don't see how it is "fixing the market". 

As has been pointed out there's nothing to stop anyone else putting up a profile with different pricing.

Spam and trolls are features of the Internet - but at the same time the Internet has transformed punting for the better.

[Jimmyredcab]

Tbh I don't see how it is "fixing the market". 

As has been pointed out there's nothing to stop anyone else putting up a profile with different pricing.

Spam and trolls are features of the Internet - but at the same time the Internet has transformed punting for the better.

Has it really. ??????????????

The main reason I am semi-retired from punting is due to the amount of fake profiles and headless photos on Adultwork, you lads may be willing to travel miles on the off chance of finding a gem ------------ I am no longer willing to do that.   

[Curious6705]

Has it really. ??????????????

The main reason I am semi-retired from punting is due to the amount of fake profiles and headless photos on Adultwork, you lads may be willing to travel miles on the off chance of finding a gem ------------ I am no longer willing to do that.   

Yes it has. Before the Internet there were few, if any, photos and less choice, and in real terms prices were much higher. The Internet also removed barriers for providers to enter the market.

[James999]

Yes it has. Before the Internet there were no photos and less choice, and in real terms prices were much higher. The Internet also removed barriers for providers to enter the market.

I partly agree with that, but the majority of providers who have entered the market tend to be EE's / Pimped girls, Pre AW there used to be more small "agencies" and parlours, they used to advertise in local press for girls to escort, as such they would attract genuine girls (mainly English) who wanted to earn some extra cash but were not able to set up the process or work from home.

These type of girls entering the market has pretty much vanished, as the adds in the paper suggesting they could earn £1500 per week tempting them have gone, and the leap from being short on cash to setting up herself on AW is to big a leap for most girls

[Jimmyredcab]

Yes it has. Before the Internet there were few, if any, photos and less choice, and in real terms prices were much higher. The Internet also removed barriers for providers to enter the market.

I search Adultwork daily, I request 18-30 within 25 miles of my postcode, I get hundreds of profiles, 95% of them are totally useless, of the remaining 5% you struggle to make contact let alone secure a booking.
Adultwork is fucking useless and getting worse day by day.   
It was OK a few years ago but now it is full of Romanian scum.     

[Jimmyredcab]

I partly agree with that, but the majority of providers who have entered the market tend to be EE's / Pimped girls, Pre AW there used to be more small "agencies" and parlours, they used to advertise in local press for girls to escort, as such they would attract genuine girls (mainly English) who wanted to earn some extra cash but were not able to set up the process or work from home.

Spot on.     

There used to be at least half a dozen brothels within a short drive of my house, they have all closed down, some on here may remember Gigglesgirls of Ilford run by Sunni Tara, some excellent girls worked there including many English.

[Sedlmayer]

I search Adultwork daily, I request 18-30 within 25 miles of my postcode, I get hundreds of profiles, 95% of them are totally useless, of the remaining 5% you struggle to make contact let alone secure a booking.
Adultwork is fucking useless and getting worse day by day.   
It was OK a few years ago but now it is full of Romanian scum.     

Dead right there mate.

[Curious6705]

I search Adultwork daily, I request 18-30 within 25 miles of my postcode, I get hundreds of profiles, 95% of them are totally useless, of the remaining 5% you struggle to make contact let alone secure a booking.
Adultwork is fucking useless and getting worse day by day.   
It was OK a few years ago but now it is full of Romanian scum.     

You claim AW is useless, when other UKP punters in the London area seem to be having the time of their lives?!

Business takes me into Central London now and then and I take advantage of that to punt - and I don't have to go out of my way or travel miles to do so. Compared to me you live right on the doorstep. Why is it so easy for me and so difficult for you?

[James999]

You claim AW is useless,

AW is without a doubt the best resource there is, but Jimmy is right, the site has gone downhill dramatically, the majority of the new profiles are Fake or the pimped EE ones, where they move every few days, you could be lucky and meet a nice EE girl but if you wanted to return she'd likely be moved 200 miles away and then a few weeks later returned to Romania or wherever.

I switched off my AW alerts due to so many fake profiles, if you messaged 20 of the new profiles on AW you'd probably get 5 messages read and one or two replies, and the majority of profiles vanishing within a couple of weeks.

A few years ago AW was without a doubt far better than it is today.

[Curious6705]

I partly agree with that, but the majority of providers who have entered the market tend to be EE's / Pimped girls, Pre AW there used to be more small "agencies" and parlours, they used to advertise in local press for girls to escort, as such they would attract genuine girls (mainly English) who wanted to earn some extra cash but were not able to set up the process or work from home.

These type of girls entering the market has pretty much vanished, as the adds in the paper suggesting they could earn £1500 per week tempting them have gone, and the leap from being short on cash to setting up herself on AW is to big a leap for most girls

Most of the EE girls I have seen from AW are independent. But a pimp is often helpful to the WGs. For example Polish WGs who work independently from Roksa or Odloty in Poland may apply to an agency who will organise accommodation for them to work from in the UK.

Small agencies probably exist - they do out here in the sticks - but almost nobody uses them because in real terms they are charging what they used to, and their competition - mainly on AW - is much cheaper.

The ethnicity of brothel girls has always been varied. I first began to see EE girls appearing in local brothels after the Wall came down, probably 10 years before even PNet became established, and South American girls were there too.

[Curious6705]

AW is without a doubt the best resource there is, but Jimmy is right, the site has gone downhill dramatically, the majority of the new profiles are Fake or the pimped EE ones, where they move every few days, you could be lucky and meet a nice EE girl but if you wanted to return she'd likely be moved 200 miles away and then a few weeks later returned to Romania or wherever.

I switched off my AW alerts due to so many fake profiles, if you messaged 20 of the new profiles on AW you'd probably get 5 messages read and one or two replies, and the majority of profiles vanishing within a couple of weeks.

A few years ago AW was without a doubt far better than it is today.

I've punted half a dozen WGs from AW in the last couple of months. One of them was English, but the rest were EE. And I live in an area often described on here as a Punting wilderness. By comparison London is teeming with punting opportunities.

As AW has grown spam has grown with it, as is always the case with the Internet. We've seen the same thing  happen to UKP as well, but that has not diminished UKP's usefulness, which has rather increased, because it's a "bigger" site now. We sort the wheat from the chaff, as we do with all Internet stuff.

[Sedlmayer]

AW is without a doubt the best resource there is, but Jimmy is right, the site has gone downhill dramatically, the majority of the new profiles are Fake or the pimped EE ones, where they move every few days, you could be lucky and meet a nice EE girl but if you wanted to return she'd likely be moved 200 miles away and then a few weeks later returned to Romania or wherever.

I switched off my AW alerts due to so many fake profiles, if you messaged 20 of the new profiles on AW you'd probably get 5 messages read and one or two replies, and the majority of profiles vanishing within a couple of weeks.

A few years ago AW was without a doubt far better than it is today.

Spot on.

[Jimmyredcab]

You claim AW is useless, when other UKP punters in the London area seem to be having the time of their lives?!

I have no desire to be disrespectful to my fellow punters but some gentlemen on here would fuck anything with a pulse, that is something I am no longer able to do.

[Jimmyredcab]

Why is it so easy for me and so difficult for you?

Maybe because you find photos like this acceptable, I don't.
From one of your positive reviews ----------

Hidden Image/Members Only

[smiths]

Tbh I don't see how it is "fixing the market". 

As has been pointed out there's nothing to stop anyone else putting up a profile with different pricing.

Spam and trolls are features of the Internet - but at the same time the Internet has transformed punting for the better.

Indeed the net has transformed my punting for the better, this site being an example. Pre-net i NEVER knew what a WG looked like until she opened her door to me, now SOMETIMES i know, and with punters i find credible i can ask them.

A/W has got worse this year but for me thats been off-set by this site and talking to punters i know and being prepared to walk if necessary with a plan B option available. I am mystified how a punter in my area of London (North and Herts) cant locate a good WG, there are plenty of them on A/W and reviewed on here. Obviously a punter like redcab will only pay a minimum of £100 an hour and a maximum of £150 an hour so limits his choice tbough there are still plenty of WGs who charge those rates.

As Sedlmayer said if it werent for EE WGs prices would be much higher with less services on offer. Before the first big EE WG invasion of the mid-90s most Brit WGs didnt even offer kissing. Thankfully most EE WGs i punted with did and charged less, god bless them.

[smiths]

You claim AW is useless, when other UKP punters in the London area seem to be having the time of their lives?!

Business takes me into Central London now and then and I take advantage of that to punt - and I don't have to go out of my way or travel miles to do so. Compared to me you live right on the doorstep. Why is it so easy for me and so difficult for you?

A/W certainly isnt useless, its still the best site i know to locate WGs off of and i have punted with some gems this year. The problem is the owners dont give a shit about helping punters so allow scams and then often take the credits accrued for themselves.

[Aspen]

but at the same time the Internet has transformed punting for the better.

I don't think so at all.

Independent ads are few and far between now, whereas when I first tried, it was easy to find someone fairly local, and at a reasonable price There were lots of small ads around. The internet, and particularly AW, has hiked the prices and the scams and dramatically reduced availability in areas outside the big cities.

[Curious6705]

Maybe because you find photos like this acceptable, I don't.
From one of your positive reviews ----------

Hidden Image/Members Only

Until recently she had face pictures in her public gallery. And I purchased a view of her PG, which also includes a number of face pictures, before making a booking.

[Curious6705]

I don't think so at all.

Independent ads are few and far between now, whereas when I first tried, it was easy to find someone fairly local, and at a reasonable price There were lots of small ads around. The internet, and particularly AW, has hiked the prices and the scams and dramatically reduced availability in areas outside the big cities.

Honestly I think for the vast majority of punters the Internet has helped enormously. I believe it facilitated the influx of EE WGs bringing prices down and services up.

If the Internet had not changed things for the better there wouldn't be a forum like this for you to make such a claim on.

[Silver Birch]

I don't think I would have even started punting at all if it wasn't for AW. It is just too easy to find someone who 'allegedly' will be what I am looking for.

I think every single one of my punts has been found on AW, so it has been a VERY useful website to ME. In tandem with info from ukp, most of these punts have been positive. I haven't been around long enough to remember AW's good old days!

I can never be sure, but I do try to avoid Sergei and Leroy's girls and book those I THINK are indies. I haven't visited a shared house in a long time so if there is price fixing going on, it hasn't affected me so far.

[Curious6705]

Indeed the net has transformed my punting for the better, this site being an example. Pre-net i NEVER knew what a WG looked like until she opened her door to me, now SOMETIMES i know, and with punters i find credible i can ask them.

A/W has got worse this year but for me thats been off-set by this site and talking to punters i know and being prepared to walk if necessary with a plan B option available. I am mystified how a punter in my area of London (North and Herts) cant locate a good WG, there are plenty of them on A/W and reviewed on here. Obviously a punter like redcab will only pay a minimum of £100 an hour and a maximum of £150 an hour so limits his choice tbough there are still plenty of WGs who charge those rates.

As Sedlmayer said if it werent for EE WGs prices would be much higher with less services on offer. Before the first big EE WG invasion of the mid-90s most Brit WGs didnt even offer kissing. Thankfully most EE WGs i punted with did and charged less, god bless them.

Yes - it's a real puzzle that one. 

Personally I've benefited enormously from adverts, and reviews and advice on the Internet, especially on UKP - including that offered by yourself re parties. 

[smiths]

Until recently she had face pictures in her public gallery. And I purchased a view of her PG, which also includes a number of face pictures, before making a booking.

The point is you had a good punt with this WG, if i only punted with WGs with face pictures i would of missed out on some great WGs over the years and it would limit my choice.

I either take a chance or get a rec off here or from punters i know, trust and/or respect. Whats incredible to me is with all the info on here about good WGs in London some punters reckon they cant locate any.

To give just a few who offered me and some others a good service; Hot Katalina, Hot Ameera and Sensual Brigit.

[Aspen]

Honestly I think for the vast majority of punters the Internet has helped enormously. I believe it facilitated the influx of EE WGs bringing prices down and services up.

So you think EE's have brought prices down and standards up? They may have affected prices but only in certain areas, and in no place as much as AW has affected them upwards. As for services up, it's precisely the opposite. They rip you off and run scams on a scale that wasn't the case before the internet.

If the Internet had not changed things for the better there wouldn't be a forum like this for you to make such a claim on.

I'm not claiming anything, I am passing on my experience and perceptions. As someone who clearly doesn't like contrary views to be heard, I'm sure you can manage to ignore what contravenes what you want to bang on about.

[GeeWiz]

I agree with JRC.  The halcyon days of AW are gone.  Finding the site was like being given the keys to another realm.  The over-run massage parlours and over-priced agencies could take a back seat.  Yet I'm now prepared to visit a MP once again this holiday season to try find a decent local lass.

I'm no Bernard Manning, but the ability to speak more than pigeon English is pretty important to me.  I'm mindful that I may be making my excuses to leave and batting off demands for a tenner just for checking out their lineup though.  Merry Christmas!

[smiths]

So you think EE's have brought prices down and standards up? They may have affected prices but only in certain areas, and in no place as much as AW has affected them upwards. As for services up, it's precisely the opposite. They rip you off and run scams on a scale that wasn't the case before the internet.

I'm not claiming anything, I am passing on my experience and perceptions. As someone who clearly doesn't like contrary views to be heard, I'm sure you can manage to ignore what contravenes what you want to bang on about.

Its a fact EE WGs brought prices down and offered more extensive services in London. I punted before many were here pre-net and know. Before A/W there were dishonest WGs of course, with this site punters can now see the scale of scams on A/W which is on the rise, but gems can still be found and are as reviews show.

The heart of the problem is A/W isnt in business to help punters but using it in unison with this site can help. I am though talking from a London perspective only and agree its regional but that can work both ways of course. For example Agencies in Newscastle were charging less than many Indies on A/W, the basic entry price for London Agencies is often £150 an hour, there are many genuine WGs charging less than that in London.

[Curious6705]

So you think EE's have brought prices down and standards up? They may have affected prices but only in certain areas, and in no place as much as AW has affected them upwards. As for services up, it's precisely the opposite. They rip you off and run scams on a scale that wasn't the case before the internet.

I'm not claiming anything, I am passing on my experience and perceptions. As someone who clearly doesn't like contrary views to be heard, I'm sure you can manage to ignore what contravenes what you want to bang on about.

What you are saying is contrary to any evidence I've seen myself or offered by other punters.

Before the influx of EE WGs there was little or no DFK or OWO offered, or other services, and in real terms prices were much higher - often for just a rub down and some covered oral.

This is a discussion board, and I welcome all viewpoints, otherwise I wouldn't join in discussions on it.

[Curious6705]

The point is you had a good punt with this WG, if i only punted with WGs with face pictures i would of missed out on some great WGs over the years and it would limit my choice.

I either take a chance or get a rec off here or from punters i know, trust and/or respect. Whats incredible to me is with all the info on here about good WGs in London some punters reckon they cant locate any.

To give just a few who offered me and some others a good service; Hot Katalina, Hot Ameera and Sensual Brigit.

Indeed - the range and quality on offer in London - as reported by genuine punters on here, is fantastic.

I take every opportunity I get to be in London so I can take advantage of it. 

[Aspen]

any evidence I've seen myself or offered by other punters.

"Any" evidence, huh. Bullshit

Before the influx of EE WGs there was little or no DFK or OWO offered,

Bullshit. I don't indulge in DFK but owo has always been around, so total bullshit on that one.

or other services,

More bullshit

 and in real terms prices were much higher - often for just a rub down and some covered oral.

This is a discussion board, and I welcome all viewpoints, otherwise I wouldn't join in discussions on it.

I think an EE pimp would say much the same things that you are.

I reckon they must love you.

[Curious6705]

"Any" evidence, huh. Bullshit

Bullshit. I don't indulge in DFK but owo has always been around, so total bullshit on that one.

More bullshit


I think an EE pimp would say much the same things that you are.

I reckon they must love you.

You haven't posted any reviews, so I don't know what area of the country you are in. I started punting more than 25 years ago, and over the years I've punted in most areas of the country. Pre the Internet this was mostly parlours. I must have seen more than 1,000 WGs - though I've never kept records. The number of WGs who offered me OWO pre the Internet was probably less than half a dozen.

Sex and covered oral in a half hour session in a Parlour cost me up to £80 in the 90s - with no OWO and no kissing.

What's been your experience?

[smiths]

You haven't posted any reviews, so I don't know what area of the country you are in. I started punting more than 25 years ago, and over the years I've punted in most areas of the country. Pre the Internet this was mostly parlours. I must have seen more than 1,000 WGs - though I've never kept records. The number of WGs who offered me OWO pre the Internet was probably less than half a dozen.

Sex and covered oral in a half hour session in a Parlour cost me up to £80 in the 90s - with no OWO and no kissing.

What's been your experience?

In the 80s obviously pre the EE WG invasion AIDS was going to kill us all according to many. Most of the WGs then offered only OW to me as they were paranoid, and virtally no WG offered kissing as that was for their husbands and boyfriends as they told me.

In retrospect it was a bad time to start punting but there were a few part-time WGs who were prepared to offer OWO and a smaller number kissing.

[Aspen]

You haven't posted any reviews, so I don't know what area of the country you are in. I started punting more than 25 years ago, and over the years I've punted in most areas of the country. Pre the Internet this was mostly parlours. I must have seen more than 1,000 WGs - though I've never kept records. The number of WGs who offered me OWO pre the Internet was probably less than half a dozen.

Sex and covered oral in a half hour session in a Parlour cost me up to £80 in the 90s - with no OWO and no kissing.

What's been your experience?

In the 90's I can't say I had a lot of experience. But in any case I never paid more than £50 for half an hour, and usually around £30. I never had OW except on one attempt, but it didn't work for me, so oral was always OWO after that. It sounds like you were paying at least double what I was, but maybe you had the budget to support it. Less than 1 in 5 occasions was at parlours, which I soon grew to detest. One particular place I went to a few times was a hairdressers just inside the northern section of the M25. But for me that didn't count as a parlour. It was all pre-booked a couple of hours ahead, and the routine was the same as pre-booked haircuts except it was done in a room in the basement.

[Curious6705]

In the 90's I can't say I had a lot of experience. But in any case I never paid more than £50 for half an hour, and usually around £30. I never had OW except on one attempt, but it didn't work for me, so oral was always OWO after that. It sounds like you were paying at least double what I was, but maybe you had the budget to support it. Less than 1 in 5 occasions was at parlours, which I soon grew to detest. One particular place I went to a few times was a hairdressers just inside the northern section of the M25. But for me that didn't count as a parlour. It was all pre-booked a couple of hours ahead, and the routine was the same as pre-booked haircuts except it was done in a room in the basement.

Thanks for the background. I paid what was the going rate at my local parlours, which may have been more than in other areas of the country.   

At the risk of pointing out the obvious though, if your experience of punting is all post-90s then you weren't punting before the Internet. I was picking UK WGs from Internet reviews in 1999. I'd been a member of a pay to access Internet forum run by an Amercian, mainly for overseas punting, prior to that, and was pleased to see review sites appearing in the UK.

[Aspen]

if your experience of punting is all post-90s

Where did I say that?

My experience in the 90's and before that does not compare with ~1,000 WG's as you admitted to having done. But for me even though a smaller number, the experiences are still valid.

[Curious6705]

Where did I say that?

My experience in the 90's and before that does not compare with ~1,000 WG's as you admitted to having done. But for me even though a smaller number, the experiences are still valid.

I highlighted the relevant part of your post -

In the 90's I can't say I had a lot of experience.

As your experience was limited IMO it has limited applicability - ie it cannot reasonably be regarded as representative of the state of punting in general. As regards EE WGs I see you also have views which I think explain your posts on this thread.

Ninety per cent of [Romanian WGs] lie, and they rip you off as hard as they can go. They play the 'I don't understand your language, therefore I misunderstood' game to a ridiculous level. If you're willing to stand a one in ten chance of finding a reasonable one, then give them a try, but like most EE's they are basically a waste of time and money. It's just that Romanians are by far the worst, and it seems to be a cultural thing. The only reasonable EE experiences I've had were with Hungarians. but I may have just been lucky. I avoid them all now.

Like others on UKP I've had many good punts with EE girls. Parties have been the mainstay of my punting the last couple of years, and I've played with dozens of EE girls, including many Romanians, who've provided excellent service.

[Aspen]

I highlighted the relevant part of your post -

if your experience of punting is all post-90s

So have I yours.  You blatantly mis-quoted me.

As your experience was limited IMO it has limited applicability - ie it cannot reasonably be regarded as representative of the state of punting in general.

Fortunately I'm not writing for your benefit. I wonder why I bothered responding.

Like others on UKP I've had many good punts with EE girls. Parties have been the mainstay of my punting the last couple of years, and I've played with dozens of EE girls, including many Romanians, who've provided excellent service.

You really do sound like an advert, despite whole threads here about how bad Romainians are. You're welcome to them, frankly you can keep them.

I seriously wonder about someone who claims to have seen over a 1000 WG's, which at the prices you claim to have been paying amounts to not much short of £100,000 if not more. The persona you are projecting doesn't fit. Supposing what you are saying could be true, how representative could you be compared with someone who has spent just a few percent of that amount? My guess is the latter is more typical of the average reader on here, so in fact it's your so-called experience that is unrepresentative in this case. Apart from which you claim to have found owo virtually non-existent in the 90's. That is simply not true, and to have such limited experience you must have been closeted somewhere, which I seriously doubt.

[Curious6705]

So have I yours.  You blatantly mis-quoted me.

Fortunately I'm not writing for your benefit. I wonder why I bothered responding.

You really do sound like an advert, despite whole threads here about how bad Romainians are. You're welcome to them, frankly you can keep them.

I seriously wonder about someone who claims to have seen over a 1000 WG's, which at the prices you claim to have been paying amounts to not much short of £100,000 if not more. The persona you are projecting doesn't fit. Supposing what you are saying could be true, how representative could you be compared with someone who has spent just a few percent of that amount? My guess is the latter is more typical of the average reader on here, so in fact it's your so-called experience that is unrepresentative in this case. Apart from which you claim to have found owo virtually non-existent in the 90's. That is simply not true, and to have such limited experience you must have been closeted somewhere, which I seriously doubt.

I rounded your experience down. If someone says they have little experience of something they often mean, in reality, none at all. Hardly a blatant misquote, especially when the posts are next to each other in the same thread, so anyone reading it can quite easily see if there is a material difference.

You replied to my post, quoting me, so it does appear that you were in fact writing for my benefit.

I've posted before on this forum that in general I allow myself to spend on punting what it would cost me to lease a new BMW or Mercedes and that I set myself personal goals and give myself "pocket money" to spend on anything - often punting - if I achieve them. I've always been able to afford that - I only began punting when I had the disposable income to do so without it hurting me financially. Whether you choose to believe my punting record or not is not something I can change, or am willing to set out to change.  However, I have at least posted here for a couple of years on the subject, including a lot of background information (which I believe is consistent with what I've posted in this thread), and some reviews.

As you did little or no punting in the 90s you don't know if OWO was commonplace or not. In fact like DFK and CIM it became much more common with the Internet, which showed up what different WGs offered.

[Rickrabbit]

Is impossible, actually. One example would be this - if it hadn't been for the influx of Poles, Czechs and Hungarians we'd be paying north of £200/hr now. As it is, these EE girls have come in and undercut British prostitutes, with the result that prices are now, in my experience and in real (adjusted for inflation) terms the lowest they have been in a long time.
The British prostitutes were attempting to force prices up, but it didn't work because the EE girls were prepared to work for less.

This is an observation that member of UKP and UKIP can relate to, not in the same way perhaps 

[Rickrabbit]

Spot on.     

There used to be at least half a dozen brothels within a short drive of my house, they have all closed down, some on here may remember Gigglesgirls of Ilford run by Sunni Tara, some excellent girls worked there including many English.

+1

[Aspen]

I rounded your experience down. If someone says they have little experience of something they often mean, in reality, none at all. Hardly a blatant misquote

As you did little or no punting in the 90s you don't know if OWO was commonplace or not.

What qualifies you to "round my experience down" ?

Yes it was blatant, and I'm inclined to think, deliberate, misquote. You're full of crap chum. absolutely full of it.



This is a lot nearer the truth

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Spot on.     

There used to be at least half a dozen brothels within a short drive of my house, they have all closed down, some on here may remember Gigglesgirls of Ilford run by Sunni Tara, some excellent girls worked there including many English.

+1

[Curious6705]

What qualifies you to "round my experience down" ?

Yes it was blatant, and I'm inclined to think, deliberate, misquote. You're full of crap chum. absolutely full of it.

It was a minor point. So how many punts did you have in the 90s?

As for the red bits I've highlighted - looking at your posting history - you do like a bit of confrontation don't you? So I can't say as I mind particularly what you think I'm full of.

[Aspen]

It was a minor point.

backpedalling eh!

So how many punts did you have in the 90s?

I didn't count. I didn't intend to make a career of it. Suffice to say, enough.

As for the red bits I've highlighted - looking at your posting history - you do like a bit of confrontation don't you?

No I don't. But by the same token I don't like people misrepresenting what I said in order to try and support their own flaky position, and when it's so blatant I tend to point such things out.

So I can't say as I mind particularly what you think I'm full of.

Nor should you, it's really for others to make their minds up what they think of the discussion. That's a lot more important than whatever it is you think.

But there again, if you have gone to all the trouble of reading through my past posts, it would seem that you are a lot more interested than you are making out to be the case.