Author Topic: Knowing a WG from her personal life (Read 2371 times)

Tom27 · « **on:** September 30, 2015, 06:02:14 pm »

Hello everybody,

Before I get to the topic that I want to discuss I would like to introduce myself. Been registered to UKP for a while now, reader not really a poster (until now). Lived in the UK for the past 2 years now, but I am originally from the Netherlands, where I first started punting 5 years ago (apologies in advance for bad spelling etc.)

So this situation occured to me a few years back in the Netherlands. I visited this Dutch version of AW and found this stunning girl. 19 years old, red hair, good pair of breasts and a fantastic body. I contacted hear and soon we arranged that she would come and visit me on a Wednesday afternoon.

So on Wednesday afternoon this girl arrives on my doorstep. When I open my front door and I saw her for the first time I was shocked and terrified at the same time. This girl, her working name was Lisa, turned out to be a "friend" of a "friend" who I've had met several times in the past. Which was both good and bad.

On one hand it was good,since she was a complete stunner, but it was mostly bad because you don't want all your friends to know about your hobby. However I do decide to invite her in, which she accepts. Inside we both talked about this sorta awkward situation we are now in. Lisa remembered me and was offcourse scared that I would expose her to her friends. I told her that I felt the same we decided not to proceed with the date and she ends up staying a hour orso telling me why she does the work (car repairs, new furniture, etc,etc).

Fast forward a few days and I receive a message from Lisa, saying that she needs to talk to me. I agree and meet with her. She tells me straight up that even tough we cancelled our meeting she still needs money and proposes that we could meet reguarly for paid sex. Not really willing to decline a offer which such a gorgeous creature I accept and for the following 4 months we meet every Wednesday night for multiple hours. Eventually I evolved into something more then just paid meetings, to the point that we did more "advanced" stuff then you would do with a regular WG.

So, that's my story. Felt the need to share it as something similaer must have happend to someone else and was just wondering how it turned out for them.

Keep writing reviews gentlemen

T27

hungrypunt · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2015, 06:20:53 pm »

Hi Tom,
Could have been worse...imagine if your sister turned up

More advanced stuff meaning what exactly ?

vw · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2015, 06:56:25 pm »

So your another one with @EAS #risky. So assume you want to know how yours will end ? Do you want to end it ?

a_polite_gentleman · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2015, 06:57:46 pm »

Quote from: hungrypunt on September 30, 2015, 06:20:53 pm

More advanced stuff meaning what exactly ?

Careful, he did say he was dutch. Those guys can get pretty kinky

(no offense Tom)

vw · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:00:15 pm »

Quote from: a_polite_gentleman on September 30, 2015, 06:57:46 pm

Careful, he did say he was dutch. Those guys can get pretty kinky (no offense Tom)

Honesty is best i don't care if he stamps his punting clogs. We always put the punter first just need to know intentions !

TheNewSeeker · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:07:58 pm »

Quote from: Tom27 on September 30, 2015, 06:02:14 pm

So, that's my story. Felt the need to share it as something similaer must have happend to someone else and was just wondering how it turned out for them.

Hmm Tom, that story could still bite you up the bum I suppose. But I'd have done the same - quite an erotic situation. I'd pay a number of acquaintances for sex if I could. Thanks for sharing and coming out of lurking

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Can we come to you for advice on the Dutch scene, what's the Dutch AW equivalent then? Going the Hague soon

Horizontal pleasures · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:10:01 pm »

Is this history or are you still seeing Lisa?

vw · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:10:06 pm »

Quote from: TheNewSeeker on September 30, 2015, 07:07:58 pm

Going the Hague soon

War crimes ?

TheNewSeeker · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:14:24 pm »

Quote from: virtualwaster on September 30, 2015, 07:10:06 pm

War crimes ?

I'm going for two lips

Tom27 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:29:43 pm »

Hi guys,

Good to see some responses. So just to clarify, I'm not seeing Lisa reguarly but occasionally we meet when I'm back in my home country. With advanced stuff I mean things like car and outdoor sex, going places together, like clubbing and stuff, overnight meetings, etc etc.

Also, Dutch version of AW is called External Link/Members Only. I'm not sure if their is an English version of it. Mind you The Hague can be a punting desert so cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam might be a better option. PM me if you need help. Least I can do haha

punk · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:49:21 pm »

What reverence does this story have?

Any one?

vw · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:52:16 pm »

Quote from: Tom27 on September 30, 2015, 07:29:43 pm

With advanced stuff I mean things like car and outdoor sex, going places together, like clubbing and stuff, overnight meetings.

Well blow me down with a feather duster, I feel advanced now ! Thanks Tom

punk · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:54:22 pm »

Quote from: Tom27 on September 30, 2015, 07:29:43 pm

advanced stuff I mean things like car and outdoor sex, going places together, like clubbing and stuff, overnight meetings, etc etc.

Also, Dutch version of AW is called External Link/Members Only. I'm not sure if their is an English version of it. Mind you The Hague can be a punting desert so cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam might be a better option. PM me if you need help. Least I can do haha

Hidden Image/Members Only

TheNewSeeker · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2015, 07:59:38 pm »

Quote from: punk on September 30, 2015, 07:49:21 pm

What reverence does this story have?
Any one?

None, but as for relevance, well this is a punters forum. Where we come to off load. No let me rephrase that. Where we can ask question share experiences etc. So Tom . . .

Quote

Felt the need to share it as something similer must have happend to someone else and was just wondering how it turned out for them.

There have been threads here on EAS, Tom may have this (search it Tom) but hey, lets welcome a lurker who has come out as a poster and overtime he can give us some reviews, tips on Amsterdam and on whether all Dutch girls go double.

Personally Tom still think it may end badly, but have no experience of that. Others have.

LL · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:00:27 pm »

Quote from: Tom27 on September 30, 2015, 07:29:43 pm

With advanced stuff I mean things like car and outdoor sex.

Wait, that's the advanced stuff you're referring to?
That's how I started out having sex as a teenager - in a car or outside.
It was shit! Since then I've progressed to shagging in an actual house/flat/hotel, and with a fucking bed in it.

vw · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:02:56 pm »

Quote from: TheNewSeeker on September 30, 2015, 07:59:38 pm

Personally Tom still think it may end badly, but have no experience of that. Others have.

The bit about needing to talk, needing money and then pushing for a regular hookup sounded pushy and manipulative. Good to get others opinion, even if in form of humour.

There has been a lot of this going round on forum these days

punk · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:04:09 pm »

Quote from: LL on September 30, 2015, 08:00:27 pm

Wait, that's the advanced stuff you're referring to?
That's how I started out having sex as a teenager - in a car or outside.
It was shit! Since then I've progressed to shagging in an actual house/flat/hotel, and with a fucking bed in it.

Depends how comfortable the car is?

Placebo88 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:11:27 pm »

Tom , how did you see your relationship with the girl ; did you always view it as primarily business with you in the paying customer role , did you think there was some friendship involved as well , and did you have any strong feelings for her or desires for her to be your girlfriend ?

From what you have written it sounds like you handled it in a cool and considered way ; you took the opportunity and what was made available but did not fall into any traps or become a victim of the dreaded EAS which a fair few threads have been dedicated to of late and which is very rarely a good situation to be in.Having fun in your bookings and maybe also forming some kind of friendship with a regular is ideal but if you want anything more don't look for it with a WG.

Your situation does have its own unique circumstances though as the girl got back in touch with you especially to ask if you wanted to see her on a regular basis and you already had a slight social connection to her - these points make it harder to judge her exact motives.If she was only a part time or occasional WG maybe she saw the opportunity to get the money she wanted from a single regular client who she liked and thought that preferable to seeing random punters ?Do you know if she was still seeing other clients at the same time as you?

Also did you have to pay her when you went out clubbing and were the overnighters offered for free or at discounted rates ?

This does not read like a typical escort - client relationship ( although there is no set way of how escorts have to conduct their business , this case sounds more like a courtesan ) but fortunately the OP seems like a sensible guy who enjoyed it for what it was and did not cause himself any grief by hoping it would develop into something more - if you can do this then you are ideally suited to punting as EAS would have snared many in this case whether that was the girls intention or not .

punk · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:14:55 pm »

Must be a busy night.

Tom27 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:35:47 pm »

Quote from: Placebo88 on September 30, 2015, 08:11:27 pm

Tom , how did you see your relationship with the girl ; did you always view it as primarily business with you in the paying customer role , did you think there was some friendship involved as well , and did you have any strong feelings for her or desires for her to be your girlfriend ?

From what you have written it sounds like you handled it in a cool and considered way ; you took the opportunity and what was made available but did not fall into any traps or become a victim of the dreaded EAS which a fair few threads have been dedicated to of late and which is very rarely a good situation to be in.Having fun in your bookings and maybe also forming some kind of friendship with a regular is ideal but if you want anything more don't look for it with a WG.

Your situation does have its own unique circumstances though as the girl got back in touch with you especially to ask if you wanted to see her on a regular basis and you already had a slight social connection to her - these points make it harder to judge her exact motives.If she was only a part time or occasional WG maybe she saw the opportunity to get the money she wanted from a single regular client who she liked and thought that preferable to seeing random punters ?Do you know if she was still seeing other clients at the same time as you?

Also did you have to pay her when you went out clubbing and were the overnighters offered for free or at discounted rates ?

This does not read like a typical escort - client relationship ( although there is no set way of how escorts have to conduct their business , this case sounds more like a courtesan ) but fortunately the OP seems like a sensible guy who enjoyed it for what it was and did not cause himself any grief by hoping it would develop into something more - if you can do this then you are ideally suited to punting as EAS would have snared many in this case whether that was the girls intention or not .

Hi, yes I saw it mostly as a business agreement but I believe friendship was involved aswell. I think from her point of view, like you described, she preffered one client, rather then multiple ones.

Clubbing was more part of the built up to the sex. I only paid for the entry to clubs and the occasional drink but nothing more then that. Cost for the meetings was always the same so clubbing was just an little extra thing we would do to enjoy and have fun.

Also, I realize that advanced stuff means something different in the UK. For me advanced means things that you would do outside of a regular meeting. A regular meeting consists of a incall or an outcall meeting, whereas advanced is something that does not fall into that catogory, like car or outdoor sex. Sorry to get your hopes up, as you apperantly all taught the Dutch were quite kinky.

As for revelance I just wanted to see if people have had similaer experiences like mine.

tantric talents · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:38:19 pm »

Tom, I am actually a little curious to know how much she charged?
Are average Dutch girls rates similar in range to those here on AW/type A agencies in general?

PLeisure · « **Reply #21 on:** September 30, 2015, 08:49:20 pm »

hey Tom, welcome to UKP

Sounds like a fun arrangement whilst it lasted. Kind of a paid FB (fuck buddy).
Was there ever a situation where you were both in the same social environment as your mutual friends, ie. nightclub or bar?
Also. Did you get to christen the new furniture the additional funds afforded her? I'm thinking at least a quick shag on the sofa or inside the wardrobe

Tom27 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 30, 2015, 09:08:21 pm »

Originally she wanted to charge me €350 for 2,5 hours (about £260). However after we met we agreed on a fixed rate of €250 for 2 hours (£190), because I told her fair and square that I could not afford to spent that much on a meeting on a regular basis. After a while and to the change in our relationship time became much less of a factor, meaning that I would pay her the money and she would stay as long as she could/wanted or convinient for me.

Her original rates where fair compared to other girls. Girls in the Netherlands usually charge something like €120-€150 an hour, with 150 being the most common for a really good WG. Convert that to GBP and you would have to spent about 89-110 GBP an hour on a girl. Keep in mind that the pound is quite strong right now.

We made sure that we avoided our mutual friends to avoid them asking questions. So if we went out we would go to a different city, different bars, clubs etc then the ones our friends would usually would go to.

And yes, her new table could support the weight of two people

tantric talents · « **Reply #23 on:** September 30, 2015, 09:12:20 pm »

Thanks Tom. Very enlightening

winkywanky · « **Reply #24 on:** September 30, 2015, 09:15:42 pm »

...yup, just another example of Rip-Off Britain

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PLeisure · « **Reply #25 on:** September 30, 2015, 09:22:57 pm »

Quote from: Tom27 on September 30, 2015, 09:08:21 pm

And yes, her new table could support the weight of two people

So, not IKEA, then !

Horizontal pleasures · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:13:13 pm »

External Link/Members Only

there are a few pages of ladies named LISA on the kinky.nl site, which one is yours?
greetings mister newbie
HP

Placebo88 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:28:03 pm »

Quote from: PLeisure on September 30, 2015, 08:49:20 pm

Sounds like a fun arrangement whilst it lasted. Kind of a paid FB (fuck buddy).

Well put , that's basically what I was meaning by courtesan although I may have misused the word.

Sounds like a good arrangement so long as both parties clearly understand the situation and no-one is secretly hoping for a deeper relationship to develop.

I think this was idea for the girl in question as she was only wanting some extra money from escorting , not a full time salary , and also ended up having some fun in the process.

When you consider how much of the average escort's ( according to SAAFE ) time is spent waiting around for calls , late clients , being stood up by time wasters and preparing themselves and cleaning up after each customer then having a reliable regular is much better.In this case even taking the social time into account she was probably in effect earning a similar hourly rate , actually enjoying herself and missing out on a lot of the tedium and worst aspects of the job.

Leading on from the above a question for the membership in general ( sorry if a thread already exists ); do WGs commonly offer regulars discounts and what kind of deals can you get.It would make sense for WGs considering all the time otherwise spent trying to attract new clients , waiting for the phone to ring and being messed around by idiots ( not UKP members obviously) !

tantric talents · « **Reply #28 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:36:09 pm »

Quote from: Placebo88 on September 30, 2015, 10:28:03 pm

Do WGs commonly offer regulars discounts and what kind of deals can you get.It would make sense for WGs considering all the time otherwise spent trying to attract new clients , waiting for the phone to ring and being messed around by idiots ( not UKP members obviously) !

I never got offered, nor did I ask for a discount from my favourite Polish regular though she did give me a couple of free sessions in exchange for the occasional lift home and having messed me around once on a boooking.
Then again we frequently went hours over time during some steamier sessions so that was well worth having.

Cuntminion · « **Reply #29 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:44:17 pm »

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Today's words on sesame street are

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TheNewSeeker · « **Reply #30 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:49:12 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on September 30, 2015, 09:15:42 pm

...yup, just another example of Rip-Off Britain .

Lol, I can see the headline in the Dail Mail

UK Punters pay over the odds because of unfair common sex market practices
Politicians from all major parties slammed UK regulations which are keeping pants up and having a disasterous effect on the rubber industry. Roger Helmet, UKIP Vice Spokesman called it a rip-off, "its outrageous that British tax payers should fund exhorbitant prices for my hobby", said Helmut outside his favourite milking parlour External Link/Members Only.

Tom27 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:54:03 pm »

Quote from: Horizontal pleasures on September 30, 2015, 10:13:13 pm

External Link/Members Only

there are a few pages of ladies named LISA on the kinky.nl site, which one is yours?
greetings mister newbie
HP

She's not on the website anymore. She stopped offering her services to others after we made our arrangement.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up EAS. I taught it was quite clear that we both saw it as a business agreement. The fact that we got along better along the way just made things more enjoyable for the both of us. As someone allready mentioned for her it was just easier to skip all the hassle and stick with a regular, who did not cause her any trouble and provided her with what she needed.