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Amsterdam mayor under fire for red-light district closure idea
City’s first female mayor faces battle with sex workers over proposal intended to tackle human trafficking
Daniel Boffey in Brussels
Thu 4 Jul 2019 16.29 BST First published on Thu 4 Jul 2019 10.43 BST

 Amsterdam’s red-light district.
 
Amsterdam’s first female mayor is facing a battle with sex workers in the city’s famous red-light district after raising the prospect of closing it down.

Femke Halsema, a former leader of the national Green party who became burgemeester last year, is under fire for suggesting that the city “must dare to think about the red-light district without prostitution”.

A newly formed lobby group, named Red Light United, claims that 90% of the 170 female sex workers they surveyed wanted to work in the windows found in the narrow alleys and canalside streets of the Singel and De Wallen.

One member of the lobby group, going by the pseudonym Foxxy, told the Het Parool newspaper: “Sex workers are people and they are entitled to a workplace.

“Relocating those workplaces is not an option because then the customers will not know where to find the sex workers. Will Halsema also sometimes organise bus trips for them to the Westelijk Havengebied?”

Banning sex work in the famous red-light district is one of the options on which the mayor has said she will consult over the summer with the aim of tackling human trafficking and reducing the number of tourists.

Amsterdam to ban 'disrespectful' tours of red-light district

“These goals are not negotiable,” Halsema said at the launch of her consultation. “For a long time, there was a sentiment of sailors around the red-light district who, after months of sailing, go to a ‘stout’ Dutch woman. The situation now is that predominantly foreign women, of whom we do not know how they ended up here, are laughed at and photographed.”

“Trafficking in human beings takes place in the most beautiful and oldest part of our city,” she added. “Over the course of a few hundred years, situations have arisen that are not acceptable.”

Halsema said the women behind the red-light district’s 330 windows had become just another tourist attraction for people visiting Amsterdam.

“They are laughed at, often called names and photographed against their will,” she said. “In addition, human trafficking, fraud and money laundering must be reduced, and thirdly, I want less inconvenience for residents and entrepreneurs. It must be quieter, cleaner and more livable there than now.”

Short of closing down the red-light district entirely, other possible options include a ban on the brothel windows while allowing sex work to continue, the relocation of some of the windows or, finally, opening more windows to reduce demand but potentially setting up turnstiles on certain streets “so that you shield off pieces of public space for passersby who don’t need to be there”.

Cor van Dijk, chairman of the Ondernemersvereniging Oudezijds Achterburgwal, representing businesses in the red-light quarter, claimed in response that it was the forced closure of about 100 windows by a previous administration that was the cause of problems.

He said: “Many windows have been cleaned up for project 1012, the previous red-light district approach. Those were precisely the windows in the alleys, where customers still had a certain anonymity.

“If more windows are added, you also relieve pressure on a certain part of the red-light district. We don’t think there have been more tourists in recent years, but we’ve compressed the same number of people into a smaller area.”

Debates on the issue are to be held next week in the city centre’s Compagnietheater. Later in the summer, “stakeholders” will be asked for their views with the hope of reducing the possible options to two for consideration by the council.

The Greens hold 10 of the 45 seats on the council but the party has secured the support of the liberal D66 group and the Socialists for its preference for moving sex work on from the city centre.

Halsema has declined to say which of the policies she supports.

“Modern leadership serves and is not dictatorial,” she said. “The discussion about prostitution is now very polarised and moralistic. Prostitution is a historical phenomenon in the city centre. It takes time and money to do something about it. Consensus is needed for that, but the final decision lies with the college and the council. I lead the discussion.”

Halsema said she was “pragmatic” and would not challenge the right for women to be involved in sex work in Amsterdam.

Should the red-light district close down, the council would consider establishing in other parts of the city “prostitution hotels where sex workers rent a room and where only visitors come to make use of their services”, she said.

“Yes, that will probably be accompanied by a lot of protest,” Halsema added. “But also remember that prostitution is now also located in an area where people live relatively safely and pleasantly. Everyone has things that we would rather not see in our backyard. But in general Amsterdammers are tolerant.”

Offline Marmalade

What a stupid sewn-up Cunt! Doesn’t she realise it is also a genuine tourist attraction, and not just for punters, but for muggles who want to see “Amsterdam’s famous RLD”.

It probably gets more visits from tourists than the pretty boring ‘sex museum’ a couple of blocks away...

What she should do is regularise it, establish standard charges for standard services. German Eros establishments are reasonable but even Brussels is civilised in that respect compared to AMS, and closer to the physical set-up. Too many EE grifter types in AMS instead of honest hard working whores.

Holland has long been an international symbol of tolerance and rationality. If it goes down the abolition route one has to ask if Macron or the mighty evangelical United States of Fucked-Up America has put pressure on the silly woman !
« Last Edit: July 05, 2019, 07:27:47 pm by Marmalade »

Offline peter purves

Although there seem to be a few options on the table.

It is not clear if the repercussions have been carefully thought out

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Offline peter purves

"Amsterdam could be about to shut down its famous red light district - but some sex workers say this would put them in danger and want their voices heard."

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Offline puntingguy94

What a stupid sewn-up Cunt! Doesn’t she realise it is also a genuine tourist attraction, and not just for punters, but for muggles who want to see “Amsterdam’s famous RLD”.

It probably gets more visits from tourists than the pretty boring ‘sex museum’ a couple of blocks away...

What she should do is regularise it, establish standard charges for standard services. German Eros establishments are reasonable but even Brussels is civilised in that respect compared to AMS, and closer to the physical set-up. Too many EE grifter types in AMS instead of honest hard working whores.

Holland has long been an international symbol of tolerance and rationality. If it goes down the abolition route one has to ask if Macron or the mighty evangelical United States of Fucked-Up America has put pressure on the silly woman !

Beyond the RLD, the city of Amsterdam, in general, is dying similar to Venice due to over-tourism.

If the window girls of Amsterdam went away, I think it wouldn't make much of a dent in the tourist numbers to Amsterdam. The numbers would still most likely increase yearly, and tourists would still come to the city in droves. Although the window girls are part of the appeal, there's still the drugs, and prostitutes could still be found in other ways. Moreover, many people are visiting for the history, architecture, art, windmills, etc. and have no interest in prostitutes other than to look around for the experience. If they sincerely just want to look around for the experience, then not being able to do that should not impact whether or not they visit.

I certainly agree that stricter regulations to prevent scammers, and perhaps a laufhaus-type system, would be a great change and definitely help. As it stands now, Amsterdam is full of scammers, and I would have no problem with the window girls industry being shut down for that reason alone. The window system works far better in Belgium, and the laufhauses in Germany -- particularly Frankfurt -- are best of all...not to mention, generally half the price and with better service compared to a window girl in Amsterdam.

I think the window girls are working on borrowed time, but so too is the city of Amsterdam itself.

Offline Mr Sinister

@puntingguy94

Yeah the center of Amsterdam is a tourist sithole, away from the center there is a great city to explore i.e bars, restaurants, meeting civvies etc....

Away from the windows you can always see independents anyway.

I do like a window it's quite exciting walking past seeing a variety of girls in the flesh before taking the plunge, I was on a layover recently and had a p&d with a big bubble butt EE just the type which is a struggle to find in the UK at the moment.

Offline Andy_707

I agree with Mr Sinister.

Accept it for what it is - pump & dump, or for me a blow and go.  Don't expect GFE, but for me the girls have always been friendly enough.

When you see a girl you like (there are some gorgeous looking ones), agree a price on what you want before starting.  That way, you'll avoid any potential scamming.  Then for the shy guys, accept that you'll probably be seen leaving  :unknown:

I enjoy a layover.  A bit of window shopping, a few beers in a decent bar, hotel bed, then a short journey to the airport for my ongoing flight.  What's not to like!

Offline puntingguy94

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I do like a window it's quite exciting walking past seeing a variety of girls in the flesh before taking the plunge, I was on a layover recently and had a p&d with a big bubble butt EE just the type which is a struggle to find in the UK at the moment.

Yeah, that's the thing. Some people will definitely have a good experience. If the girls didn't scam, I would fight for the windows.

How much did it cost then and how was the experience? (It sounds like you had a good time.  :) )

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Amsterdam Considering Moving Red Light District Indoors

City council releases plans to build an ‘erotic centre’ to prevent rowdy tourists

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Amsterdam mayor under fire for red-light district closure idea
City’s first female mayor faces battle with sex workers over proposal intended to tackle human trafficking
Daniel Boffey in Brussels
Thu 4 Jul 2019 16.29 BST First published on Thu 4 Jul 2019 10.43 BST

 Amsterdam’s red-light district.
 
Amsterdam’s first female mayor is facing a battle with sex workers in the city’s famous red-light district after raising the prospect of closing it down.

Femke Halsema, a former leader of the national Green party who became burgemeester last year, is under fire for suggesting that the city “must dare to think about the red-light district without prostitution”.

A newly formed lobby group, named Red Light United, claims that 90% of the 170 female sex workers they surveyed wanted to work in the windows found in the narrow alleys and canalside streets of the Singel and De Wallen.

One member of the lobby group, going by the pseudonym Foxxy, told the Het Parool newspaper: “Sex workers are people and they are entitled to a workplace.

“Relocating those workplaces is not an option because then the customers will not know where to find the sex workers. Will Halsema also sometimes organise bus trips for them to the Westelijk Havengebied?”

Banning sex work in the famous red-light district is one of the options on which the mayor has said she will consult over the summer with the aim of tackling human trafficking and reducing the number of tourists.

Amsterdam to ban 'disrespectful' tours of red-light district

“These goals are not negotiable,” Halsema said at the launch of her consultation. “For a long time, there was a sentiment of sailors around the red-light district who, after months of sailing, go to a ‘stout’ Dutch woman. The situation now is that predominantly foreign women, of whom we do not know how they ended up here, are laughed at and photographed.”

“Trafficking in human beings takes place in the most beautiful and oldest part of our city,” she added. “Over the course of a few hundred years, situations have arisen that are not acceptable.”

Halsema said the women behind the red-light district’s 330 windows had become just another tourist attraction for people visiting Amsterdam.

“They are laughed at, often called names and photographed against their will,” she said. “In addition, human trafficking, fraud and money laundering must be reduced, and thirdly, I want less inconvenience for residents and entrepreneurs. It must be quieter, cleaner and more livable there than now.”

Short of closing down the red-light district entirely, other possible options include a ban on the brothel windows while allowing sex work to continue, the relocation of some of the windows or, finally, opening more windows to reduce demand but potentially setting up turnstiles on certain streets “so that you shield off pieces of public space for passersby who don’t need to be there”.

Cor van Dijk, chairman of the Ondernemersvereniging Oudezijds Achterburgwal, representing businesses in the red-light quarter, claimed in response that it was the forced closure of about 100 windows by a previous administration that was the cause of problems.

He said: “Many windows have been cleaned up for project 1012, the previous red-light district approach. Those were precisely the windows in the alleys, where customers still had a certain anonymity.

“If more windows are added, you also relieve pressure on a certain part of the red-light district. We don’t think there have been more tourists in recent years, but we’ve compressed the same number of people into a smaller area.”

Debates on the issue are to be held next week in the city centre’s Compagnietheater. Later in the summer, “stakeholders” will be asked for their views with the hope of reducing the possible options to two for consideration by the council.

The Greens hold 10 of the 45 seats on the council but the party has secured the support of the liberal D66 group and the Socialists for its preference for moving sex work on from the city centre.

Halsema has declined to say which of the policies she supports.

“Modern leadership serves and is not dictatorial,” she said. “The discussion about prostitution is now very polarised and moralistic. Prostitution is a historical phenomenon in the city centre. It takes time and money to do something about it. Consensus is needed for that, but the final decision lies with the college and the council. I lead the discussion.”

Halsema said she was “pragmatic” and would not challenge the right for women to be involved in sex work in Amsterdam.

Should the red-light district close down, the council would consider establishing in other parts of the city “prostitution hotels where sex workers rent a room and where only visitors come to make use of their services”, she said.

“Yes, that will probably be accompanied by a lot of protest,” Halsema added. “But also remember that prostitution is now also located in an area where people live relatively safely and pleasantly. Everyone has things that we would rather not see in our backyard. But in general Amsterdammers are tolerant.”

Given the RLD doesnt open up before noon in full swing on a Saturday, thats telling...the AMS RLD is finished.

Offline jaydefo24

@puntingguy94

Yeah the center of Amsterdam is a tourist sithole, away from the center there is a great city to explore i.e bars, restaurants, meeting civvies etc....

Away from the windows you can always see independents anyway.

I do like a window it's quite exciting walking past seeing a variety of girls in the flesh before taking the plunge, I was on a layover recently and had a p&d with a big bubble butt EE just the type which is a struggle to find in the UK at the moment.

Where are you seeing independents?

And where are you meeting civvies?

Offline nbarnes

The problem is the idiot Dutch politicians.

They've wanted to have their cake and eat it and not have to make hard decisions either way.
They've wanted the tolerance voters (and the tourist $) while courting the feminazi vote at the same time, the two are mutually exclusive.

Dutch 'tolerance' has become a byword for 'laziness'.

So they 'decriminalized' when what they should have done was 'regulated' properly.
Same with cannabis. If you just leave this stuff to go to rack and ruin, it goes to rack and ruin.

They should have regulated more strongly and not let the pimps move trafficked EE women into the RLD.
There still would have been some criminal elements, but they wouldn't have complete control of the RLD.
There are plenty of western european and dutch women who would work the windows as indies.

I used to love going to Amsterdam twice a year. Not just for the windows (but mostly ;) ) - now I can get it and get it better in my own backyard :)