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Offline Mr_Shins

It's nothing new, there was clips4sale / clipstore or whatever it was called (think it may have changed from one to the other) which commonly sold content, a lot of it "Dominatrix" based.

I was on 2 videos with Mistress Cameo in 2007 and a couple with Jessica Wood in 2012. Whilst I prefer to do rather than watch, there are others who get a thrill in watching those ladies beat me up with their shoes but don't really want it done to themselves are just aren't brave enough.

The first one I made with Mistress Cameo was her biggest selling video of the month at one point.

Certainly revenue pulled in from those would supplement any they made doing "sessions" but I'm not sure it's easy money for everyone. Still, people can say it's simply acting, not sex work. Neither of those two ladies bared themselves for our videos and nor did I.

Offline Home Alone

Firstly, "we" is not a homogenous group of people with one viewpoint.  But since you want to hear it in my own words, I shall do you the courtesy.
Thank you.
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And aside from that one comment of yours, I've never found reason to feel negatively towards your posts.  However, I found that particular post of yours just shockingly cold hearted and selfish and responded in an out of character way, but with the intention of making you reconsider what you said.  I shall try and be polite and reasonable because I think there is value in a debate, but no value in trolling or trying to win an argument for its own sake.
As do I.
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It's quite simple.  I wouldn't want to punt with someone who has been coerced, trafficked, forced or driven to do something they are unhappy with because of economic hardship - and the notion of hoping economic hardship drives more women into sex work is something I find repugnant.  I would hope that those WGs I have seen made their choices to become sex workers from their own free will.  Idealistic, but there it is.
And I couldn't - and don't - disagree with a word of that. As I often post, I, almost invariably "shop in the MILF and GILF aisles of the 'punting market' ", visiting mature British-born SPs who have, for want of a better phrase, have made a 'career choice' to become Escorts.

When you challenged me, I took refuge in: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=279984.msg2907670#msg2907670 of which, with no communication between him and me, NightKid clarified my intention in: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=279984.msg2908724#msg2908724

Had I not given vent to my shallow side in the post to which you took exception - offensively, through your ignorance of my personal situation; there will always be a part of me regrets that I shall never be a father, no matter what extra difficulties it would have imposed - and had I been as verbose as I often am, I am sure I would have made the point that, while the current economic situation may make thousands of women redundant from the jobs they currently have, some of them may move into new careers as Escorts, in which their earning potential may exceed their current earnings.

And that would still be the case, even if the increased number of SPs led to a reversal of last year's trend to a not-insignificant rise in the fees charged by SPs.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 03:42:48 am by Home Alone »

Offline Thephoenix

Firstly, "we" is not a homogenous group of people with one viewpoint.  But since you want to hear it in my own words, I shall do you the courtesy.  And aside from that one comment of yours, I've never found reason to feel negatively towards your posts.  However, I found that particular post of yours just shockingly cold hearted and selfish and responded in an out of character way, but with the intention of making you reconsider what you said.  I shall try and be polite and reasonable because I think there is value in a debate, but no value in trolling or trying to win an argument for its own sake.

It's quite simple.  I wouldn't want to punt with someone who has been coerced, trafficked, forced or driven to do something they are unhappy with because of economic hardship - and the notion of hoping economic hardship drives more women into sex work is something I find repugnant.  I would hope that those WGs I have seen made their choices to become sex workers from their own free will.  Idealistic, but there it is.

It is idealistic, but I would hope that most punters would agree.

But isn't that the dilemma of punting?
The reality is that as a punter you're unlikely to know.
Isn't the reality that as a punter you just want the best service for the least price? :unknown:


Offline Crackpot11

Prices will level out soon enough as although there are some desperate punters I would imagine there will be many who don’t punt again for a while. The same for the other side as although some newbie escorts will join up others will stay in lockdown. I think the worry will be for tourers. Where I live there are limited good escorts so I rely on some choice regulars and the occasional tourer. It is going to be harder for those who work from hotels as it will be hard for punters to go unobtrusively into hotels. I suppose the solution is air b n b bookings but I think until next year you will be lucky if you can just punt a few regulars.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 08:33:54 am by Crackpot11 »

Offline Spencer Fobby

Thank you. As do I.And I couldn't - and don't - disagree with a word of that. As I often post, I, almost invariably "shop in the MILF and GILF aisles of the 'punting market' ", visiting mature British-born SPs who have, for want of a better phrase, have made a 'career choice' to become Escorts.

When you challenged me, I took refuge in: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=279984.msg2907670#msg2907670 of which, with no communication between him and me, NightKid clarified my intention in: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=279984.msg2908724#msg2908724

Had I not given vent to my shallow side in the post to which you took exception - offensively, through your ignorance of my personal situation; there will always be a part of me regrets that I shall never be a father, no matter what extra difficulties it would have imposed - and had I been as verbose as I often am, I am sure I would have made the point that, while the current economic situation may make thousands of women redundant from the jobs they currently have, some of them may move into new careers as Escorts, in which their earning potential may exceed their current earnings.

And that would still be the case, even if the increased number of SPs led to a reversal of last year's trend to a not-insignificant rise in the fees charged by SPs.

Thanks for the thorough explanation, and my apologies for my stinging response to your original post - I was not aware of your personal situation, I'm sorry that's the case - truly.  I did overreact and I can see that this would have caused more impact than intended.  We all make mistakes from time to time.  Sometimes - as your last sentence points out - the way we phrase things can change the perceived intent dramatically.

It's interesting to note, though, that while you "couldn't - and don't - disagree with a word" of my explanation in reply #96, we have posters like Chadpitt who respond to the very same reply quite differently and think those same words make me a 'cuck-simp'.  So it seems there may indeed be a few low-lifes who would like get cheaper sexual satisfaction out of someone else's hardship.  Either that, or he's just a troll.

Banned reason: Abuse of mod.
Banned by: daviemac

Offline chadpitt

@Spencer Fobby I wouldn't throw the world "troll" around when you've been fighting with Home Alone and involved LLPunting and Nightkid into your sanctimonious inane rants.

You've distorted people's statements to make out as if punters want women to suffer 3rd world style extreme poverty. When in actual fact we are saying that more competition in what is generally accepted to be a high-paid and easy market is not a doom and gloom scenario for women.


Offline Turtle1

High supply less demand tends to mean lower prices, i don't see that happening.

Offline LLPunting

Shall we try and tone this down a bit?  You put some effort into your rational argument here but still have to wind it up with a personal dig and some trollish suppositions about what I may or may not think.

Here's what I think:  If anyone actually hopes the current wave of job losses results in more women going on the game, then that's a pretty morally reprehensible position.

If that's what you think then how do you establish the motivation of the women you pay for sex?
Just because you're ignorant of their circumstances doesn't make you free from condemnation and contempt by your own values.

Why does anyone without any other forms of income want payment for the work they do?  Now ask yourself that same question about women.  Then ask it about women who have no particular non-sex-work skillset that's in demand.  Try asking it about women who have high debts or expenses with no recourse to high income conventional work?  Women with kids or care responsibilities and unable in the current job market to get multiple low paid jobs e.g. cleaning, pet care, etc.  Especially considering her necessary time commitments.

Offline Icarus

The paid sex market has never followed market rules, the saunas work more or less as an informal cartel, the independants charge what they want, depending on how keen they are for business, some girls are happy for one customer a day, ironically its the much despised romanian gangs, who view it as a business, and keep prices low.

Even cartels are subject to market forces. If Sauna’s doubled their prices overnight they would no doubt experience a severe drop in demand. Are they operating at the most efficient revenue generating point? Potentially not. But if customers aren’t coming through the door, then the girls working in such establishments aren’t being paid and thus they will, eventually, leave.

An independent who only wants one client a day would contribute to increasing prices (albeit at a very small level as I don’t see this as a substantial % if providers) but they presumably also increase service levels due to that. The corollary would be the Romanians who put downward pressure on prices but service levels as well. Again, it’s just SPs differentiating their offering within a market because if the roms offer too low a service at too high a price or the Indy offers too low a service at too high of a price then neither gets customers.

The bottom line is always the same; if prices were indeed too high then people would not be paying them.

How much is rent on a nightly basis?

What's a reasonable spend on groceries for a week?

How many hours do you need to work a week to cover your essential spending?  How much does the average person?

My rent is £0 and I spend about £200/wk on essentials. As I have a well paying job that’s approximately 2-3 hours work per week.

I don’t have much time for games so how about you state your point instead of the questions? If your point is that people’s income should be somehow linked to number of hours worked then you’re arguing against capitalism and basic economics.

Offline usroads

I reckon that SP's, with no other income, could get by very comfortably on an average of 2 bookings a day @ £120 ph

Offline NightKid

The bottom line is always the same; if prices were indeed too high then people would not be paying them.

Disagree to an extent - in this particular industry you'd find quite a few who are willing to pay above the odds, as evidenced by some of the reviews we get.

I concur with your other points about market forces though.

I reckon that SP's, with no other income, could get by very comfortably on an average of 2 bookings a day @ £120 ph

Even at 2 bookings a day @ £100 ph and going on a 5 day working week, it'll be more than comfortable considering that's a gross taking of £1000 per week.

Which is not accounting for expenses obviously, but if costs were managed wisely I'm sure the net could still turn out anywhere between 25-50%
« Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 08:16:12 am by NightKid »

Offline davidgood

My view is that supply  is going to decline even when we get back to near normality and that we are not going to see a fall in prices.

My reasons for this are that because of Brexit a lot of the EEs and Brazillians who can be here legally because of Spanish and Portugeuse origins will not be able to come and go as they used to.

Part timers who have another source of income or a partner to support them are going to think twice about whether they want to go back to whoring and the risks that go with it.

Full timers are at best going to stick to their current prices but I forsee these edging up. I have already seen one SP up her regional price by £20.

I see a lot more SPs having a reasonable base price but then asking more for extras.

Porn star girls who are well established on Only Fans and other platforms and are making money from it are going to stick to their £200 or more hourly rates as getting one or two well heeled punters a week will be a bonus for them.

If there is a fall in prices I will be delighted but I think it is unlikely and if it happens it will be at the bottom end of the Market in my view.

Regards,

davidgood


Offline Icarus

Disagree to an extent - in this particular industry you'd find quite a few who are willing to pay above the odds, as evidenced by some of the reviews we get.

I concur with your other points about market forces

Ah, but who decides what ‘the odds’ are? It’s all subjective.

One mans over the odds is another mans VFM.

Offline NightKid

Ah, but who decides what ‘the odds’ are? It’s all subjective.

One mans over the odds is another mans VFM.

Not really, there are clear examples of being objectively overpriced - exhibit A: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=280267.0 In this case, she is so because her prices inflated dramatically over a short span of time.
Another example would be two different stores selling the exact same product with the exact same specs e.g. a loaf of bread, and one selling it at £1 whilst another sells it at £100.

It's value what's subjective, not price.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 02:43:23 pm by NightKid »

Offline Icarus

Not really, there are clear examples of being objectively overpriced - exhibit A: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=280267.0 In this case, she is so because her prices inflated dramatically over a short span of time.
Another example would be two different stores selling the exact same product with the exact same specs e.g. a loaf of bread, and one selling it at £1 whilst another sells it at £100.

It's value what's subjective, not price.

I’m aware there are different theories for pricing a good or service but I don’t know of one that is universally revered as the ‘best.’ What do you mean by price being objective? In what way are you determining the ‘correct’ price?

Offline willie loman

Even cartels are subject to market forces. If Sauna’s doubled their prices overnight they would no doubt experience a severe drop in demand. Are they operating at the most efficient revenue generating point? Potentially not. But if customers aren’t coming through the door, then the girls working in such establishments aren’t being paid and thus they will, eventually, leave.

An independent who only wants one client a day would contribute to increasing prices (albeit at a very small level as I don’t see this as a substantial % if providers) but they presumably also increase service levels due to that. The corollary would be the Romanians who put downward pressure on prices but service levels as well. Again, it’s just SPs differentiating their offering within a market because if the roms offer too low a service at too high a price or the Indy offers too low a service at too high of a price then neither gets customers.

The bottom line is always the same; if prices were indeed too high then people would not be paying them.

IF prices dropped , punting would increase with frequency, and perhaps new clients would appear, if only there was a ryan air of punting.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 06:36:47 pm by willie loman »

Offline scutty brown

interesting ringing around the Thai places in Preston around 6pm yesterday..........not one was answering phones or responding to texts.
The only Asian girl I could find working in the town was the chinese girl in the flats near the magistrates court.
Staffing still appears to be a problem

Offline NightKid

What do you mean by price being objective? In what way are you determining the ‘correct’ price?

I've already explained it and gave clear examples in my previous post so I'm not sure how I can explain any better than that.

There is no 'correct' price but you can have something be objectively under or overpriced. One way to express that is comparing the product or service in question against its market value, as I illustrated above.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 07:10:42 pm by NightKid »

Offline jordan452

My view is that supply  is going to decline even when we get back to near normality and that we are not going to see a fall in prices.

+ The amount of SPs on my hotlist I’ve lost in the last few weeks  :dash: it’s looking real bleak out here.

Offline king tarzan

interesting ringing around the Thai places in Preston around 6pm yesterday..........not one was answering phones or responding to texts.
The only Asian girl I could find working in the town was the chinese girl in the flats near the magistrates court.
Staffing still appears to be a problem

Gosh scutty sounds like you only enjoy thai desserts??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :hi: :hi: :hi:
Banned reason: Misogynist who gets free bookings from agencies for pos reviews.
Banned by: daviemac

Offline scutty brown

Gosh scutty sounds like you only enjoy thai desserts??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Yeah, I only like fucking the sweet ones  (thats sweet not sweaty - stop laughing at the back)

Offline LLPunting

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My rent is £0 and I spend about £200/wk on essentials. As I have a well paying job that’s approximately 2-3 hours work per week.

I don’t have much time for games so how about you state your point instead of the questions? If your point is that people’s income should be somehow linked to number of hours worked then you’re arguing against capitalism and basic economics.

Given you're so detached from the realities of the average person and clearly delight in being apart from them the situation is beyond your comprehension.
People being paid for the amount of labour they expend is the fundamentals of capitalism and basic economics, you're clearly being well paid for some other expertise.

Other respondees have clearly cottoned my drift so perhaps you can infer from their replies, using your nous.

Online oddson1970

Whatever you are selling ,it is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.This is true across the board whether you are selling a particular service,a car ,a house or a pint of milk......if prices do rise then it is up to us punters to refuse to pay the inflated prices and we will see a return to normality.

Offline Payyourwaymate

My view is that supply  is going to decline even when we get back to near normality and that we are not going to see a fall in prices.

My reasons for this are that because of Brexit a lot of the EEs and Brazillians who can be here legally because of Spanish and Portugeuse origins will not be able to come and go as they used to.

Part timers who have another source of income or a partner to support them are going to think twice about whether they want to go back to whoring and the risks that go with it.

Full timers are at best going to stick to their current prices but I forsee these edging up. I have already seen one SP up her regional price by £20.

I see a lot more SPs having a reasonable base price but then asking more for extras.

Porn star girls who are well established on Only Fans and other platforms and are making money from it are going to stick to their £200 or more hourly rates as getting one or two well heeled punters a week will be a bonus for them.

If there is a fall in prices I will be delighted but I think it is unlikely and if it happens it will be at the bottom end of the Market in my view.

Regards,

davidgood

I agree with your reasoning. If that really does happen, it will be sad times indeed for punters in the UK.

Offline mrfishyfoo

His point is easy to grasp, he has no problem with women doing this by choice, but not through economic compulsion, or that is how i am reading it.

What utter crap !!!

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

I don't chose to get up on a daily basis and go to work albeit I must as a consequence of economic compulsion as I like the freedom that economic compulsion gives me.  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

Offline willie loman

What utter crap !!!

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

I don't chose to get up on a daily basis and go to work albeit I must as a consequence of economic compulsion as I like the freedom that economic compulsion gives me.  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

I think most  of understand that, but the  point is do you do the job of your choice, more or less, or do you do the job because you have no other choice?

Offline whoya.kiddin

Probably wise to admit first off that it has now been six months since I was in the saddle so I am somewhat removed from the current state of the market.

- however -

I do not recognise any dramatic reduction in the length of my hotlists.  In January my hotlist was at mid 80's and has stayed pretty static ever since.  Some have gone, I have listed a few (most of which have also gone) and some (plenty) remain who are obviously not actually trading.  But by and large there has not been HUGE turnover or sign of a seismic change in the market. 

I also take predictions of desperate shortage in SP's pushing up prices with a pinch of salt.  It is difficult to predict what the immediate effect of the complex array of economic, political, social, psychological and demographic changes that accompany brexit and the COVID-19 lockdown on the cost of me getting my leg over...

but people generally being a bit hard up probably means more SP's and less punters with cash in their pockets.  I am hopeful young, beautiful, skint Hungarians (and Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and Latvians) will continue to make their way to our shores so they can fill their pockets at the expense of old fat fuckers like me.  Omens are good.  I am looking forward to the end of lockdown and - indeed - supply exceeding demand, driving prices down and forcing the poor desperate wenches to offer a better quality and broader range of services.

Roll on my impending return to the saddle!

Offline James

Its crap due to hotels being limited hard to find a girl
Banned reason: Unhealthy obsession with SP malicious posts out of spite
Banned by: daviemac

Offline Mr_Shins

Probably wise to admit first off that it has now been six months since I was in the saddle so I am somewhat removed from the current state of the market.

- however -

I do not recognise any dramatic reduction in the length of my hotlists.  In January my hotlist was at mid 80's and has stayed pretty static ever since.  Some have gone, I have listed a few (most of which have also gone) and some (plenty) remain who are obviously not actually trading.  But by and large there has not been HUGE turnover or sign of a seismic change in the market. 

I also take predictions of desperate shortage in SP's pushing up prices with a pinch of salt.  It is difficult to predict what the immediate effect of the complex array of economic, political, social, psychological and demographic changes that accompany brexit and the COVID-19 lockdown on the cost of me getting my leg over...

but people generally being a bit hard up probably means more SP's and less punters with cash in their pockets.  I am hopeful young, beautiful, skint Hungarians (and Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and Latvians) will continue to make their way to our shores so they can fill their pockets at the expense of old fat fuckers like me.  Omens are good.  I am looking forward to the end of lockdown and - indeed - supply exceeding demand, driving prices down and forcing the poor desperate wenches to offer a better quality and broader range of services.

Roll on my impending return to the saddle!

But haven't you forgotten, we have also had Brexit? Doesn't that stop these people just turning up here? Even if they are allowed in, it would be either as tourists, or jobs for which they have already been offered and have obtained the necessary work permit.

Coming here to be escorts is likely to be far more difficult.


Offline whoya.kiddin

But haven't you forgotten, we have also had Brexit? Doesn't that stop these people just turning up here? Even if they are allowed in, it would be either as tourists, or jobs for which they have already been offered and have obtained the necessary work permit.

Coming here to be escorts is likely to be far more difficult.

It is difficult to predict what the immediate effect of the complex array of economic, political, social, psychological and demographic changes that accompany brexit and the COVID-19 lockdown on the cost of me getting my leg over...

Offline mrfishyfoo

I think most  of understand that, but the  point is do you do the job of your choice, more or less, or do you do the job because you have no other choice?

Indeed.....albeit given the choice I'd take £2+ per minute for getting fucked.  :hi: :hi:

Offline Icarus

I've already explained it and gave clear examples in my previous post so I'm not sure how I can explain any better than that.

There is no 'correct' price but you can have something be objectively under or overpriced. One way to express that is comparing the product or service in question against its market value, as I illustrated above.

But what you’re doing here is waving your hand and essentially saying it’s so expensive that a majority of people would agree it’s overpriced. That might be true, but there are still people in that thread suggesting that they intended to see the girl at 300/hr and may still do so at 500/hr. Presumably she had more customers at 300/hr than she could fulfill and so raised her prices - I don’t see that as being overpriced, I see it as reacting rationally to market forces. That’s put her out of some peoples range - but that’s the point!

Further, past prices should have no bearing on current or future prices; it could be she was previously underpriced and is now correctly priced, or it could be that market forces have increased the perceived value of her over time. Or it could be you are correct and she is overpriced... in which case we would expect to see the price reduce in time.

People being paid for the amount of labour they expend is the fundamentals of capitalism and basic economics, you're clearly being well paid for some other expertise.

Incorrect. People are paid according to the perceived value of their labor. Not all labor is created equal. Footballers don’t work 40hrs/wk. Doctors and Lawyers don’t earn minimum wage. Why are we holding WGs to different standards than those? Comparing WG rates to average hourly wages or working weeks is folly.

I’ll offer a potential pricing mechanism. I don’t think this is perfect by any means but it’s better than attempting to view prices in relation to ‘normal working wage’ comparisons. How much would it cost us to acquire sex with a comparable woman (age/looks) that’s not a WG? Well, we might assume an hour of swiping on tinder and then maybe 5 hours of your time on a date in an evening plus expenses at the low end. For an older overweight guy to pull a mid twenties stunner it might take considerably more time and (since income increases with age) the chances are his time is quite valuable. It’s quite easy to see how rates of hundreds can easily be justified.


Look, I’m not arguing that prices should be higher. I’d much rather pay less for the same thing. But over the last year on here sniping in review threads regarding prices or complaining about them seems to have replaced attacking new posters lack of reviews as the go to ‘badge of honour.’ The goal of the forum is to look after punters interests, but I don’t think that means a race to the bottom on prices (because by extension, quality). We all benefit from a varied market.

Offline NightKid

But what you’re doing here is waving your hand and essentially saying it’s so expensive that a majority of people would agree it’s overpriced. That might be true, but there are still people in that thread suggesting that they intended to see the girl at 300/hr and may still do so at 500/hr. Presumably she had more customers at 300/hr than she could fulfill and so raised her prices - I don’t see that as being overpriced, I see it as reacting rationally to market forces. That’s put her out of some peoples range - but that’s the point!

You're assuming she's raising it out of increased demand; she could also be raising it out of pure greed so that's a fallacy. And if she raises it against what her competitors charge for the exact same service then that makes her objectively overpriced.

Further, past prices should have no bearing on current or future prices; it could be she was previously underpriced and is now correctly priced, or it could be that market forces have increased the perceived value of her over time. Or it could be you are correct and she is overpriced... in which case we would expect to see the price reduce in time.

But past prices DOES have a bearing - you've literally just explained it yourself here, especially with the being overpriced bit. Another fallacy.

You're arguing against yourself now mate. I've addressed some of fallacies in your argument though I'm still not sure if you get that my point was not so much to do with past pricing but more about current competition, which determines market value.

But I have a feeling you already acknowledge it somewhat ... whether you feel you'll be able to accept it or not, that's entirely your issue so I digress.  :hi:

Offline Southendlothario

No. They make videos with their partners. And it sells.

The new generation of men are happy to pay for nudes instead of punting.

When there are so many free porn tube sites? Ie pornhub, xvideos, xhamster?
Well whatever floats their boat lol

Offline Icarus

You're arguing against yourself now mate. I've addressed some of fallacies in your argument though I'm still not sure if you get that my point was not so much to do with past pricing but more about current competition, which determines market value.

But I have a feeling you already acknowledge it somewhat ... whether you feel you'll be able to accept it or not, that's entirely your issue so I digress.  :hi:

I think the argument is quite logically consistent. Yes, I’m making an assumption. Assuming other people are acting in rational self interest seems a logical starting point and not a fallacy.

Regarding the second point, it was a response to you stating that she is overpriced because she increased her prices quickly. I should have explained myself better, but the point I was getting at is that the time taken to change prices has little relevance to actual price level.

Anyway, I agree it’s best left alone at this point...
« Last Edit: July 25, 2020, 11:52:02 am by Icarus »

Offline LLPunting

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Incorrect. People are paid according to the perceived value of their labor. Not all labor is created equal. Footballers don’t work 40hrs/wk. Doctors and Lawyers don’t earn minimum wage. Why are we holding WGs to different standards than those? Comparing WG rates to average hourly wages or working weeks is folly.

I’ll offer a potential pricing mechanism. I don’t think this is perfect by any means but it’s better than attempting to view prices in relation to ‘normal working wage’ comparisons. How much would it cost us to acquire sex with a comparable woman (age/looks) that’s not a WG? Well, we might assume an hour of swiping on tinder and then maybe 5 hours of your time on a date in an evening plus expenses at the low end. For an older overweight guy to pull a mid twenties stunner it might take considerably more time and (since income increases with age) the chances are his time is quite valuable. It’s quite easy to see how rates of hundreds can easily be justified.


Look, I’m not arguing that prices should be higher. I’d rather pay less for the same thing. But over the last year on here sniping in review threads regarding prices or complaining about them seems to have replaced attacking new posters lack of reviews as the go to ‘badge of honour.’ The goal of the forum is to look after punters interests, but I don’t think that means a race to the bottom on prices (because by extension, quality). We all benefit from a varied market.

Indeed, I made no mention of perceived value, nor did I say there was a fixed rate for labour or a time-based determination.  Your case-making is for the shameless bloating of value based on the exploitation of desperate/deluded consumers who will sacrifice security and fundamental needs for the sake of a fix.
People who pay more for sex than is reasonable i.e. that they can afford without harm to their other interests and responsibilities are likely to be addicts not just randy punters scratching an itch.
Your justification of cost of search presumes ugly punters, able/willing to pay excessively, which is not reflective of the entire market, you are describing a section of the market with a wholly different equation of risk, reward, looks and range/skill/quality of service.  You continue to take a blinkered view from a position of wealth.
Using your same time-determined equation with my costs and determination of a date means I could expect a fuck with an attractive young woman to be bought for 20 (wasting time searching) + 40 (2 meals at Five Guys and a few non-alcoholic drinks and beverages).  Pricing according to Clapham babes might be 30 + 80.
The vast majority of the industry attends to the needs of "ordinary" punters who operate on a budget that is responsible to their other obligations and needs without compromising them.

Your last para is confused, conflicted and self-justifying by presuming negative intent.  NO-ONE has suggested a race to the bottom of anything (regardless of the desires of anal fans).  Punters can punt a fiver for a drug-addled skank or a thousand for a courtesan, suggesting that all sex-workers base their pricing on the characteristics of an unrepresentative sample of the population that may bear no resemblance to their accessible pool of punters is fundamentally faulty.

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Think I’m probably done & maybe for good. Best case scenario with the Oxford vaccine probably means the end of next year. That’ll be around 2 years since I last punted.