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Offline Payyourwaymate

I am not sure if anyone else has also noticed the mania around cryptocurrency is pretty bad at the moment. I'm surprised there is not an off topic thread talking about it to be honest. In the past it seemed to have occurred every couple of years since back in 2013 till now. Personally I have never bought any, though I was aware of it, which has come round to be a regret LOL. Anyway, does anyone think that the crypto market is here to stay now? As in people buying coins as a legitimate investment vehicle? So much money has gone into that space that I think it has become legitimised. Coins which have no purpose have billions of inflow in monies going like Dogecoin. I had to swallow my pride of consistently thinking this was all a fad for years and no one will get rich as people would use it for the intended purpose as a means of payment. I eventually got a hardware wallet and registered on an exchange. I will also now research and speculate  :lol:.

I mean the blockchain tech behind the cryptocurriences is amazing but I think everyone is just sending money in the hopes of striking it big whilst the "whales" have a playground with less restrictions for market manipulation in trading. I don't think the user base going in now are aware of the history of exchanges going down, people doing runners with peoples funds as they did not hold it in hardware wallets, the hacks, leaks etc. Anyway, I got a tiny amount of Ethereum as a tester and when I tried to transfer it to my hardware wallet the fees were too high, I had to convert it back to fiat as there was no point. I just don't see how people can use it as a means of paying for items. On coinbase when I looked there was nothing but fees on fees for transactions. I ended up registering with Binance which also charge fees but allow bank transfers aswell.  I don't know if coinbase allow bank transfers as I did not go as far as checking when I saw the amount of fees they charged. Personally I am just going to go on the prowl for really low priced coins and hope in a couple years it goes big. When I looked at the whitepapers for some of the cryptocurriences like Tron and Tezos, I just did not see how other institutions are not doing this already or what the actual bigger point of what they were doing was. I am not a crypto enthusiast though, so if anyone knows far more please feel free to correct me.

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Offline Gordon Bennett

I have to confess to still not understanding what it is and, therefore by extension, not wanting to touch it with a bargepole. Maybe I'm too old and stuck in my ways though.

Offline lewisjones23

the gambling I like to do consists of animals with 4 legs or apparently 3 legs when I back a horse ....

not for me the crypto rush but good luck to those to have a play

Offline Blackpool Rock

One of the problems with crypto is that it can be very volatile with large swings in price up and down

Offline Squire Haggard

EOS up 44.75% in one day.

I wont be buying any of them. Too unpredictable. Several have tanked over the months/years.

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Offline Payyourwaymate

One of the problems with crypto is that it can be very volatile with large swings in price up and down

Indeed so. Not only that there is still the issue of trusting supposed entities as custodians for the currencies if the person "investing" does not have access to a cold wallet. In turkey there is a mass hunt for a person who took 2 billion of peoples funds and done a runner. Many peoples life savings gone in the wind and this is recent.

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Offline geezer_breezer

Someone recently tried to explain to me me a long term problem with Bitcoin. Roughly speaking, the power required to keep it viable starts to become so large that it affects the viability of the whole currency. Or something like that..

Offline Gordon Bennett

Article in local rag today about opportunists who contact owners of kidnapped dogs trying to extort a ransom. They haven't even dognapped the mutts, they just trawl Facebook looking for people posting pleas to find their missing Fido. Anyway, they give them 24hrs to payup, usually in Bitcoin or they will slaughter the dog.

To me, this sums up how the reality of cryptocurrency is a far cry from the cuddly currency without borders that will heal the world.

Offline ratedj

I've always been aware of cryptocurrencies but it became more prominent in my mind when, through work, I became aware of a financial institution that commenced with producing a dicussion paper. In March Citibank also produced a paper, so it certainly seems that cryptos are gaining more prominence. Like anything, you must do your due diligence, read white papers, check out if any institutions have an upcoming collaboration with a said crypto, but ultimately there will always be an element of risk. Another issue is that cryptos are just too volatile at the moment. What we are seeing at the minute though is the FOMO phenomena, which will likely see more money invested into cryptos.

If you are going to hold a long position, or invest a lot of money, you MUST invest in a hardware wallet, such as a Ledger. I have a position in an altcoin (terminology for any coin other than Bitcoin), and having DCA'd (dollar cost averaged) I'm currently in profit, but I intend on holding long.  All my coins are off the exchange and in my hardware wallet. It is near impossible to time when to buy at an appealing price, but as they say, time in the market is better than timing the market. I use Coinbase Pro to purchase my crypto, where you can bank transfer. My limit orders have always filled, and I have no issues when transferring my crypto to my hardware wallet. Fees are also pretty low, though every exchange will charge fees. Binance are known to sometimes have 'down times' where people cannot withdraw their crypto for a said period of time, so it might be worth checking that out. To note, Bitcoin and Ethereum are known for their high fees, due in part to their high gas fees, so it makes no sense to transfer low amounts to hardware wallets.

Offline kuck

A general belief amongst enthusiasts is that fiat currencies lose value as more money gets printed every year. There is only a limited number of Bitcoins that will ever be minted. This makes Bitcoin a good store of value - an inflation hedge, if you will. There's an analogy to gold here, but with gold you have to deal with physical nonsense.

If you're in it for the long term (HODLing), only stay with coins that are likely to not fade away. These would be BTC, ETH, DOT, and ADA. The other coins are for short term trading, if you can make sense of the trends and make predictions that are better than random.

It is currently a bull market and it is hard to go wrong with trading, the only general direction is up which makes predictions easy. Remember to not lose all your money when it goes bearish. Don't trade without stop losses, for example.

And then there is the rise of Dogecoin. It might be a sign that we are in a hype bubble. Or it might mean that Dogecoin investors are a different class of investor (idiots or similar). I bought £50 worth of Doge two months ago and today cashed out £650.

Offline Anallover316

Follow Blockchain Backer on YouTube. His videos are amazingly comprehensive.

XRP is one to get in on, currently trading around $1.50 but when a court case with SEC is resolved in the near future you could see that up around the $10 with 18-24 months.

Offline Blackpool Rock

A general belief amongst enthusiasts is that fiat currencies lose value as more money gets printed every year. There is only a limited number of Bitcoins that will ever be minted. This makes Bitcoin a good store of value - an inflation hedge, if you will. There's an analogy to gold here, but with gold you have to deal with physical nonsense.

If you're in it for the long term (HODLing), only stay with coins that are likely to not fade away. These would be BTC, ETH, DOT, and ADA. The other coins are for short term trading, if you can make sense of the trends and make predictions that are better than random.

It is currently a bull market and it is hard to go wrong with trading, the only general direction is up which makes predictions easy. Remember to not lose all your money when it goes bearish. Don't trade without stop losses, for example.

And then there is the rise of Dogecoin. It might be a sign that we are in a hype bubble. Or it might mean that Dogecoin investors are a different class of investor (idiots or similar). I bought £50 worth of Doge two months ago and today cashed out £650.
It can sometimes appear to be easy investing when there is an extended bull run as basically even a trained monkey can jump on an investment and make money.
The thing is though can you or anyone else please tell us at what point the market will peak so that we can all cash out before it starts to drop  :unknown:

Someone else already posted about time in the market being important rather than timing the market but there is another expression - There are two type of investor, firstly there are those who can't time the market and secondly there are those who don't know they can't time the market  :hi:

Personally I like a gamble but i've never touched crypto and don't intend to either, for me it just seems dodgy with too many unknowns.
Some people invested a small amount near the start and have seen fantastic returns.
Well done to those people who were prepared to take a risk but  my thought is that as with so many investments by the time the majority of people jump on board the big money has already been made.
Too many parallels to a Ponzi scheme for my liking  :thumbsdown: 

Offline Blackpool Rock

Someone recently tried to explain to me me a long term problem with Bitcoin. Roughly speaking, the power required to keep it viable starts to become so large that it affects the viability of the whole currency. Or something like that..
Bitcoin is hugely energy intensive, sounds crazy as most people would think it had little or no impact on the environment and that printing physical money would be bad however it's down to the amount of computer power now required to mine new Bitcoins and also check transactions.

Just rescued this article from my e-mail bin

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Offline kuck

It can sometimes appear to be easy investing when there is an extended bull run as basically even a trained monkey can jump on an investment and make money.
The thing is though can you or anyone else please tell us at what point the market will peak so that we can all cash out before it starts to drop  :unknown:


Nobody can tell. :D
There are some indicators, fundamentals, trends etc. Or for Doge - whether Elon has just tweeted about it.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Nobody can tell. :D
There are some indicators, fundamentals, trends etc. Or for Doge - whether Elon has just tweeted about it.
This is the problem and for many youngsters who read about what phenomenal profits others have allegedly made buying Bitcoin et al on Facebook etc they jump on board and think this is how they should be investing all of their money  :dash:

I can see that perhaps for a seasoned investor who has already grown a decent portfolio and is financially secure it may be worth them sticking a small amount say £50 - £100 in a number of different cryptos especially any new ones where the potential for growth is better.
I would say though that people should almost be doing it more for a bit of fun as a speculative punt or almost investment game rather than looking at it as a real investment or future pension funds

Offline anyfucker

Nobody can tell. :D
There are some indicators, fundamentals, trends etc. Or for Doge - whether Elon has just tweeted about it.
i read the guy who developed DOGE sold his holding to buy a Honda car, now DOGE is worth more than the Honda company

Offline kuck

This is the problem and for many youngsters who read about what phenomenal profits others have allegedly made buying Bitcoin et al on Facebook etc they jump on board and think this is how they should be investing all of their money  :dash:

I can see that perhaps for a seasoned investor who has already grown a decent portfolio and is financially secure it may be worth them sticking a small amount say £50 - £100 in a number of different cryptos especially any new ones where the potential for growth is better.
I would say though that people should almost be doing it more for a bit of fun as a speculative punt or almost investment game rather than looking at it as a real investment or future pension funds

No different from the people you run into at casinos who are convinced their system works and will pay off one day, never mind that they're just being unlucky right now :D

I'd think crypto would be better than casino gambling during the bull run at least, specially if you don't hold low cap shitcoins. Of course if someone is putting in more money than they can afford to lose, they'll be wrecked by either system.

Offline ratedj

This is the problem and for many youngsters who read about what phenomenal profits others have allegedly made buying Bitcoin et al on Facebook etc they jump on board and think this is how they should be investing all of their money  :dash:

I can see that perhaps for a seasoned investor who has already grown a decent portfolio and is financially secure it may be worth them sticking a small amount say £50 - £100 in a number of different cryptos especially any new ones where the potential for growth is better.
I would say though that people should almost be doing it more for a bit of fun as a speculative punt or almost investment game rather than looking at it as a real investment or future pension funds

As far as I know there are no failproof systems with crypto, and as with most investments/gambles, you should never invest more than what you can afford to lose.

Offline Payyourwaymate

It can sometimes appear to be easy investing when there is an extended bull run as basically even a trained monkey can jump on an investment and make money.
The thing is though can you or anyone else please tell us at what point the market will peak so that we can all cash out before it starts to drop  :unknown:

Someone else already posted about time in the market being important rather than timing the market but there is another expression - There are two type of investor, firstly there are those who can't time the market and secondly there are those who don't know they can't time the market  :hi:

Personally I like a gamble but i've never touched crypto and don't intend to either, for me it just seems dodgy with too many unknowns.
Some people invested a small amount near the start and have seen fantastic returns.
Well done to those people who were prepared to take a risk but  my thought is that as with so many investments by the time the majority of people jump on board the big money has already been made.
Too many parallels to a Ponzi scheme for my liking  :thumbsdown:

I was like that for years. I remember a man telling me you need to get it, it will be the next big thing. An acquaintance who I used to speak to cashed out 6 figures from the last rise when it went to 20k on the last rise about 2 years ago or so as he had bitcoin back in 2011. I still remember when I first learnt about crypto and went on the forums and there were die hard fanatics saying how it will change the world and they will always hold. Now there are people who became rich and I am just looking mouth agape like a fool with my standard investments returning fuck all compared to their returns lol. It may be too late but I'll dabble just in case.
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Offline Payyourwaymate

I've always been aware of cryptocurrencies but it became more prominent in my mind when, through work, I became aware of a financial institution that commenced with producing a dicussion paper. In March Citibank also produced a paper, so it certainly seems that cryptos are gaining more prominence. Like anything, you must do your due diligence, read white papers, check out if any institutions have an upcoming collaboration with a said crypto, but ultimately there will always be an element of risk. Another issue is that cryptos are just too volatile at the moment. What we are seeing at the minute though is the FOMO phenomena, which will likely see more money invested into cryptos.

If you are going to hold a long position, or invest a lot of money, you MUST invest in a hardware wallet, such as a Ledger. I have a position in an altcoin (terminology for any coin other than Bitcoin), and having DCA'd (dollar cost averaged) I'm currently in profit, but I intend on holding long.  All my coins are off the exchange and in my hardware wallet. It is near impossible to time when to buy at an appealing price, but as they say, time in the market is better than timing the market. I use Coinbase Pro to purchase my crypto, where you can bank transfer. My limit orders have always filled, and I have no issues when transferring my crypto to my hardware wallet. Fees are also pretty low, though every exchange will charge fees. Binance are known to sometimes have 'down times' where people cannot withdraw their crypto for a said period of time, so it might be worth checking that out. To note, Bitcoin and Ethereum are known for their high fees, due in part to their high gas fees, so it makes no sense to transfer low amounts to hardware wallets.

Thanks for the info about coinbase, I did not know. My cold wallet is Ledger aswell. I deffo agree with your points.

Offline kuck

@ratedj @Payyourwaymate How much worth of crypto did you have to consider getting a hardware wallet?

Mine is on exchanges - primarily because I like to have stop losses set.

Worth noting that some banks don't like you transferring large sums to exchanges. HSBC apparently suspends your account if you deal with crypto. I'm with a different bank and they only once blocked a transfer to Coinbase. Turned out it wasn't a crypto related block - they called to confirm it was really me making the transfer.

Offline ratedj

@ratedj @Payyourwaymate How much worth of crypto did you have to consider getting a hardware wallet?

Mine is on exchanges - primarily because I like to have stop losses set.

Worth noting that some banks don't like you transferring large sums to exchanges. HSBC apparently suspends your account if you deal with crypto. I'm with a different bank and they only once blocked a transfer to Coinbase. Turned out it wasn't a crypto related block - they called to confirm it was really me making the transfer.

Tbh I purchased one before I started purchasing crypto. I understand your point re stop losses, and I imagine the same would ring true regarding anyone attempting to day trade.

Offline Payyourwaymate

@ratedj @Payyourwaymate How much worth of crypto did you have to consider getting a hardware wallet?

Mine is on exchanges - primarily because I like to have stop losses set.

Worth noting that some banks don't like you transferring large sums to exchanges. HSBC apparently suspends your account if you deal with crypto. I'm with a different bank and they only once blocked a transfer to Coinbase. Turned out it wasn't a crypto related block - they called to confirm it was really me making the transfer.

I barely have a thing. Most of my money is tied up in "legitmate" investments or liquid savings. I literally just bought the cold wallet just to see how it works and bought just over £100 worth to test the waters. There's no way I'm putting in thousands at this time. I lost 5K "unrealised" on some bullshit through an actual legitmate investment due to valuations being revised almost a month ago and the burn I felt inside, I stopped everything I did and went to sleep. I was upset for a week, still angers me now because I can't sell without taking mad losses so I have to wait. Never invest in iliquid assests (property investment fund related) unless you are prepared for hard times when shit hits the fan :cry:.

I've made transfers through natwest but it's for such small amounts I don't really see the transactions being flagged. My aim in this is to find an alt coin that booms in a couple years, not throw thousands and go big or go home. Losses hurt, they really do lol.

Offline DrGFreeman

I dont 'get' cypto currencies
to me it seems like a big ponzi scheme, where the value goes up only because new people come in and buy
but what are you actually buying ? where is the value ?
loads of retail investors are pumping money in expecting to make money assuming everything goes up creating huge instability as those retail investors will sell rapidly too

to me there are echos of Enron - apparently the smartest guys in the room were all doing stuff too complicated to explain and apparently making loads of profit
until someone started asking exactly how are you profitable and then everyone saw it was all bullshit
a company worth $90B  to zero in a year

show me why bitcoin is worth $780B


NFTs I do get, I can see value in owning the first tweet, or nyan cat, because you do have something to show for it
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Offline Gordon Bennett

My impression with "normal" investing with likes of Hargreaves Lsnsdown etc is there is a move towards ethical investing. Now it might just be lip-service, and some hard-headed folks will invest in blood-diamonds, chemical weapons and whatever if there is money to be had but..... I do feel more and more people do try to avoid the nasty stuff or the addictive stuff when they're looking for an investment instrument.
I don't get a sense of that with crypto though - it's like there is rabid tunnel vision for the pursuit of 100000% returns with definitely no questions asked about where the stuff has been or is going. Maybe people really don't give a shit as long as they're alright. I think they should give it some consideration though.

Offline kuck

...
show me why bitcoin is worth $780B
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Here's a rhetorical question - why is gold worth $11 Trillion?

Offline DrGFreeman

Here's a rhetorical question - why is gold worth $11 Trillion?

gold has value because it is ever lasting, hard to fake and rare
if civilisation failed and in 1000 years another formed, that gold would still be useful as currency
not so bitcoin

Offline Aldebaran

Sounds to me like investing in a cryptocurrency would be like investing in rainbows because we know they all have a pot of gold at the end of them, don't we?

Offline kuck

gold has value because it is ever lasting, hard to fake and rare
if civilisation failed and in 1000 years another formed, that gold would still be useful as currency
not so bitcoin

Ever lasting - Bitcoin lasts as long as you have at least a few bitcoin miners
Hard to fake - Bitcoin is impossible to fake
Rare - Bitcoin is rare. There's only a limited supply that will ever be minted

If civilisation thrives for another 1000 years, we will be mining asteroids and bringing in shit tonnes of gold making it about as valuable as aluminium.

Offline Aldebaran

Ever lasting - Bitcoin lasts as long as you have at least a few bitcoin miners
Hard to fake - Bitcoin is impossible to fake
Rare - Bitcoin is rare. There's only a limited supply that will ever be minted

If civilisation thrives for another 1000 years, we will be mining asteroids and bringing in shit tonnes of gold making it about as valuable as aluminium.

Doubtful on two accounts. First, it would cost more to mine asteroids than the gold would be worth ( not as easy going into space as digging holes ). Second, no point mining shit tonnes of something if you destroy the market by doing that. This is why the diamond trade is so regulated, to keep the value high.

Offline kuck

Doubtful on two accounts. First, it would cost more to mine asteroids than the gold would be worth ( not as easy going into space as digging holes ). Second, no point mining shit tonnes of something if you destroy the market by doing that. This is why the diamond trade is so regulated, to keep the value high.

Today's space travel technology makes it expensive. And with today's technology you have a point.

The diamonds market is manipulated, and an anomaly. Perhaps a fairer comparison would be with Aluminium. It used to be more expensive than gold when we didn't know how to extract it from an abundant ore.

Offline Band1t

Investing in BTC and other cryptos carries a number of risks but has the potential for huge gains. I’ve been messing around with them for the last 7years and have made a lot of money out of them as a result. My current holdings are circa £75k spread between actual coin holdings and stocks of miners I bought with profits so it carries no real risk for me now. I expect them to double in value within the next year.

Offline anyfucker

Investing in BTC and other cryptos carries a number of risks but has the potential for huge gains. I’ve been messing around with them for the last 7years and have made a lot of money out of them as a result. My current holdings are circa £75k spread between actual coin holdings and stocks of miners I bought with profits so it carries no real risk for me now. I expect them to double in value within the next year.
The governor of the Bank of England has said that cryptocurrencies have “no intrinsic value” and people who invest in them should be “prepared to lose all [their] money”
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Offline Mikeh38

The governor of the Bank of England has said that cryptocurrencies have “no intrinsic value” and people who invest in them should be “prepared to lose all [their] money”
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Is that why the BOE are looking at setting up their own cryptocurrency then ? Quite simply the banks don't like it because they can't control it.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Is that why the BOE are looking at setting up their own cryptocurrency then ? Quite simply the banks don't like it because they can't control it.
I wasn't aware of that but had been thinking that perhaps there is some mileage in a crypto that is somehow controlled and linked to interntionally recognised currencies  :unknown:

My understanding is that historically many currencies such as the £ were linked to gold and the gold reserves that a country had, in other words you could theoretically take your £1 along to the BOE and exchange it for a small piece of the precious metal.
Realistically those days are long gone but a countries currency is still linked to all the goods and services that it produces and the intrinsic value of the land and infrastructure etc.

With crypto like Bitcoin it's been invented from thin air and has nothing whatsoever to back it up, effectively it's all based purely on borrowed money or the money which people pay to buy the Bitcoin in the 1st place, ironically this will be $ and £ etc

Offline Payyourwaymate

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Lecture series relating to bitcoin and blockchain with finances. Seems interesting.

Offline lamboman

My only dealing with BTC was buying a couple many years ago as a novelty using one then forgetting about it until the price went nuts and it was worth I think near 3k when I'd paid next to nothing for it.
As a currency it's almost useless but is less useless than a lot of the others,I find the trading of something that has little real world value a bit odd.
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Offline GreyDave

Investing in BTC and other cryptos carries a number of risks but has the potential for huge gains. I’ve been messing around with them for the last 7years and have made a lot of money out of them as a result. My current holdings are circa £75k spread between actual coin holdings and stocks of miners I bought with profits so it carries no real risk for me now. I expect them to double in value within the next year.

Crypto is judged against £ and $ , e and other currencys so should be treated more as a company shares price in many experts veiws Banks are now saying (sorry article I read in either Telegraph Gaudian or Wall st  j) That if you accpet payment in this your accounts fund could vanish ( yep I know a london auction house accepted a million dollar equal payment for a painting....BUT this was still converted back to a FIAT (thats latin for trust ) system a Mr Musk has shown your bitcon wealth goes up and down its not backed by govenment ...Add to this the energy needed to mine article said equal to Argentinas power its not very GREEN I thought that was meant to be furture ther is also the blocking by banks to allow conversion account add in the bottom line to the next guy that comes up and says he has bought  Lambo for £200,000 with his profits CAPTAL GAINS TAX IS DUE and did you cough up the approximate 20% 35k of the 200k ? They are pretty tough with House gains now an area I used to work in those gains must be paid in months of gain being made not at end of year...Oh and then there the other type of "invester" who borrows against his increase in value. what happens when it falls or moves? your FIAT debt still has to be serviced ..NO Clothes !!! but still the bubble continues :unknown: :unknown: :unknown:
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Offline kuck

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 They are pretty tough with House gains now an area I used to work in those gains must be paid in months of gain being made not at end of year...
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A bit different for crypto gains.
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Offline winkywanky

Article in local rag today about opportunists who contact owners of kidnapped dogs trying to extort a ransom. They haven't even dognapped the mutts, they just trawl Facebook looking for people posting pleas to find their missing Fido. Anyway, they give them 24hrs to payup, usually in Bitcoin or they will slaughter the dog.

To me, this sums up how the reality of cryptocurrency is a far cry from the cuddly currency without borders that will heal the world.


Any money with a background an even less attributable than the current system cannot be a good thing. Which is pretty well how cryptocurrencies are, isn't it?



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Offline JamesKW

Someone recently tried to explain to me me a long term problem with Bitcoin. Roughly speaking, the power required to keep it viable starts to become so large that it affects the viability of the whole currency. Or something like that..

Also it uses up a lot of electricty to mine so it is not very good for the environment.Discounting environmentalists, Governments around the World will not allow it to take hold in a meaningful way,some like South Korea have already closed down some crypto currencies.

Offline kuck

Also it uses up a lot of electricty to mine so it is not very good for the environment.Discounting environmentalists, Governments around the World will not allow it to take hold in a meaningful way,some like South Korea have already closed down some crypto currencies.

We're solving this problem. There's a move towards proof of stake blockchains as opposed to the energy intensive ones that use proof of work algorithms. DOT & ADA are popular PoS blockchains, and soon ETH will be. BTC is unlikely to move to PoS.

Offline oxfordcock

I'm one of those idiots that was about to buy £100 of Bitcoin when it was first released. But chickened out as I had just finished university and was drowning in debt.

Biggest mistake of my life, could have given so much money away to people that need it.

Offline GreyDave

I'm one of those idiots that was about to buy £100 of Bitcoin when it was first released. But chickened out as I had just finished university and was drowning in debt.

Biggest mistake of my life, could have given so much money away to people that need it.

You like me would of gotten out when it had doubled your money and spent the profit on tarts ...the rises and falls of this stuff are for throw away cash not if your havinging to live ...the annoying thing is you just get to hear like Horse racing gamblers the big spenders who make big the little guys with charges in and out dont make much..

Bank of Englands Guver says " Only put in what you are prepared to lose .... it could just disapere its not backed !" so the pymid sell of this goes on  :( :(


Offline snaitram99

We're solving this problem. There's a move towards proof of stake blockchains as opposed to the energy intensive ones that use proof of work algorithms. DOT & ADA are popular PoS blockchains, and soon ETH will be. BTC is unlikely to move to PoS.

Those TLA's really make things clearer don't they.   :unknown:
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Offline Squire Haggard

The more I read about cryptos, the more I think of bubbles. Remember the tech stock bubble of about 20 years ago?

''Dfinity has debuted "Internet Computer" (ICP) to the public earlier Monday, May 10, and has already garnered $45 billion in valuation with a massive trade price that already surpasses Dogecoin ($DOGE). Currently, it is in the top eight spots in CoinMarketCap, which is a massive accomplishment for the almost two-day-old cryptocurrency.''

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Offline DrGFreeman

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It seems elon is not loving bitcoin so much
I wonder how green dogecoin is ?

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It seems elon is not loving bitcoin so much
I wonder how green dogecoin is ?

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That would be nice, but nano coin is hopeful he'll pick them, up over 20% in the last 24 hours

Offline GreyDave

 :hi:  So Mr Musk has realised that all so new Bitcion millionares want to buy a Tesla and pay with thier bitcoin which has grow from the orginal $1 or so iwas first listed at ...

"Oh er what are we buying with Bitcon? "..... is probaly the question he asked his accountants.
"NOTHING in the supply chain in the manufactur of our vechiles Sir ".. Probaly answer.

Banks will say well yesterday you were in credit today you`re in debt pay us the diffrence...

Its still Emperors new suit, I await those whos paper value has incresed to comment and the few who have transfered in to Bricks and Mortar ( not flash motored bozy who have a Lambo on Lease living with Mum  ) to comment on the real long term of an unbacked un useable  ( Lidel Sainsburys Tesco ) untangebile idea. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Offline Squire Haggard

Elon Musk's cakehole again. He seems to love opening it. A crypto ''fundamental'' seems to be his cakehole.  :)


''The price of dogecoin fell sharply on Thursday morning, sliding below 40 cents per coin, after Tesla CEO and crypto booster Elon Musk announced that the automaker was suspending the use of bitcoin in payments over environmental concerns.

Musk, who previously bought billions in bitcoin for Tesla and has tweeted regularly about dogecoin, said he was concerned by “rapidly increasing use of fossil fuels for Bitcoin mining and transactions.” The price of bitcoin also pulled back following the announcement.''

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