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Author Topic: Osteopathy v Chiropractic v TCM do they offer any medical benefit?  (Read 431 times)

Offline advent2016

Osteopathy - Available on NHS - £60 initial £50 treatment  £110
Chiropractic - Available on NHS (sometimes) £60 initial £60 treatment £120
TCM with HJ  at end
60 mins massage £40 HJ usually £10 = £50 total
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I've recently started to get occasional back pain, and more acute pain in my arms. Our gym is still closed and we're not doing any square bashing either.

I've never been that convinced that TCM massage had any medical benefits and was just  a relaxing way to get ready for a HJ and finger a pretty oriental girl maybe more.

I've seen osteopaths before and am fairly positive about them.

Am I doing a disservice to Osteopaths or Chiropractors?  or am I just better of getting more targetted exercise and seeing a TCM for a HE?

Offline bhudda

as I understand it a massage may be good for muscular issues but not bone issues

and osteopath may be good for bone issues but not muscular issues

a chiropractor is a con man who is good for nothing

Offline advent2016

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Thanks Bhud

That what I thought.
I rang a place that has osteopaths but also chiropractors so i'll cross them off. They are within walking distance of a TCM place (part of a well known chain) that have (in the past) been known to provide BJ for extra treat.

Online Strawberry

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Whereas a Chiro helped fix my (at that point) long term back and leg pain, do use Osteos only because I couldn't find a convenient Chiro when I moved.

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Definitely worth the two or three sessions (biggest factor was the advice given for everything I do outside of the treatment).

Offline snaitram99

I have no experience of osteos or chiros, but have you tried a thai massage? I think they are better for actual massage than the TCM girls, with still a good chance of being offered a HE. :hi:

Offline Philmeboots

Cannot comment on TCM as no experience of Chinese therapy.

But having suffered from back and shoulder issues for a couple of years now can recommend proper Thai massage over the physiotherapy that I had for several months.  I  go to a Thai place in Sale near Manchester that is  the best  massage I have ever experienced. Go now about  once a month and feel tremendous after the 1 hour deep tissue massage costing £38.00. Place is  completely legitimate so no chance of extras but really does not bother me.Go to  another Thai massage that does very good massage also plus HE for £55.00 ,so 2 hours for  less than a ton and feel great in every way.Normally go 1 day after  to the legitimate place so just  enjoy the  massage for what it is and definitely feel the benefits afterwards .

Offline advent2016

Guys, I meant TCM as a general term, maybe I should have said sensual covering, Thai, Chinese, generally Asian. I've been to all sorts and found them much better in Thailand than here, especially the soapy massages.

Offline Abs

as I understand it a massage may be good for muscular issues but not bone issues

and osteopath may be good for bone issues but not muscular issues

a chiropractor is a con man who is good for nothing

I’ve not got any experience of osteopaths so can’t comment on them. But I have a chiropractor friend who has treated me many times and has helped with both bone(joint) and muscular issues which are often interconnected. I think he’s a bit of a miracle worker. But he has said you have to be wary of chiropractors and do your research. He says there’s basically four kinds:

1) the completely legit ones whose practice is evidence based and will genuinely do their best to help you without taking advantage
2) the slightly unscrupulous ones who will genuinely try to help you but will also try to talk you into extra treatments which you don’t need and aren’t evidence based
3) the completely unscrupulous ones who will promise you the earth and sign you up for treatments even though they know full there’s nothing they can do to help you
4) the quacks who genuinely want to help you but believe that chiropractic treatments can be used to cure any problem, including  things like cancer

He says if you can find a good chiropractor, that’s the best option (I guess he is a bit biased) but if you’re not sure, you might be better off with an osteopath or a good physio. He says a good indicator (though not foolproof) is that if they try to presell you on a set number of appointments, often 2-3 times a week, they’re likely in categories 2 or 3.

Offline Happylad

I can only relate my own experiences with Chiropractic.  Some 50 or years ago I was experiencing some back pain, which I tried to ignore, until one day as I reached out for the telephone on my desk at work I suffered an agonising pain in my lower back so bad that I actually fell out of my chair. I found I couldn`t use my lower limbs, and my secretary drove me home, I lying along the back of my estate car. My wife called my doctor, who, in turn, brought the local Chief Orthopedic surgeon, who gave his opinion that surgery on my spine would probably be required, but first I should spend a few weeks in hospital having my spine stretched followed by a spell wearing a surgical corset.  However, I remembered that an acquaintance had been successfully treated for back trouble by some magical pratitiioner, and my wife telephoned him, and he recommended the Chiropractor who had treated him.  My wife telephoned the Chiropractor (Saturday) and got an appointment for Monday, and I was taken in the estate car, the Chiropractor x-rayed my back on his own machine, and showed me the problem, then spent 15 minutes manipulating my spine, after which I was able to walk out to the car and travel in the front passenger seat.
I had further manipulative treatments on the Wednesday and Friday of the same week, after which I was more or less back to normal with a few simple exercises to perform for a week or two.

Since then the problem has re-occurred (but much less severely) a half dozen times, and on each occasion  two or three sessions, first with that Chiropractor, then his successors, have always sorted the problem.

However, I discovered that there are now several sorts of Chiropractic which do NOT employ manipulation - I once used one without realising the difference, and I found these a complete waste of time and money.

Offline Absolutman

We could add physiotherapists to the list. I have calcification in a shoulder and had episodes of frozen shoulder as well as lower back pain with hernias and muscle spasms. Apart from the odd scalpel sharpening surgeon suggesting an op which I resist, physio has solved my problems (albeit they recur) with a combination of electro therapy, massage and gradually more exercises.

Offline houseboot

I have seen two chiropractors.

The first was very much a "smoke & mirrors" type of guy, keen to demonstrate how "clever" he was with various "tricks".

The second was better but always convinced you that you needed multiple sessions ..... yes, I got better over the weeks .... but ..... the body does heal itself over time ...... so I was never convinced as to how much of my recovery was due to him and how much was "time healing".

Then I started weekly yoga & Pilates classes.

I haven't been to a Chiropractor since.


The "self help" cure for most back pain is a very simple exercise ..... well, it works for me :-

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Online scutty brown

both osteopaths and chiropracters have professional regulatory bodies which control training and quality. Both involve joint manipulation with chiropractice tending more toward spinal manipulation, osteopaths more orientated towards limbs. They may not be NHS recognised, but both are serious creditable medical treatment techniques.
Traditional Chinese Medicine is a different matter: there's no unified UK regulatory body, no check on charlatans, and covers too many areas for one practitioner to be taken seriously. Some of their traditional medicines obviously work, e.g. malaria treatment - but most are just undocumented hocus pocus

Offline sparkus

I did have some shoulder and elbow pain from what I took to be RSI.  Occupational health recommended treatment but GP didn't want to know.

HR (no pun intended!) said the facility was there for three hour treatments on the basis of the above, so I discussed it with what I took as the most legit sounding TCM of my knowledge where I could get a naked HE thrown in.

Not only did they refuse to give me the receipt after I'd explained, but the session was crap as well, despite them offering many very legit treatments to both genders (e.g. acupuncture only therapists and moxibustion etc.) The naked HE was blinding once the lady doctor disrobed, but ultimately the session did nothing and I just had to go to a 100% legit clinic. so ended up paying for a session I didn't need (well, some of it I did).

Offline advent2016

looks like I need to do more research and maybe get more hand jobs ;)

When I see terms like this
Animal Osteopathy,Chiropractic,Medical Acupuncture,Kinesio Taping,Indian Head Massage,Reflexology,Kinesiology (Allergy Testing),Reiki

It puts me right off (although I'm allowed to be convinced)

I don't want to spend £120 on some qwackery that does no good when I could have had two "fun" massages and two HE's or one FSWC/BJ/CIM/facial/snowball that I find very physically and mentally stimulating.
 

Offline boardyhell

have a brilliant osteopath who treats muscles and skeletal problems
he has very rarely crunched my back
crawled in and walked out 30 minutes later
chiros just crunch your back
don't underestimate the value of a proper massage

Offline Vic69

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I had a back injury about 3 years ago, my GP just gave me stronger and stronger painkillers, I spent a lot of time flat on my back zonked out on painkillers, MRI and x-rays didnt show any injury.  At the end of my tether I went to a chiropractor that specialised in the type of injury I had, he was able to xray my back and found the problem immediately!! I had to have a lot of treatment and manipulation (in a very sensitive place!!)  It took over a year and cost a lot of money......but worth every penny, dont take a single painkiller for it now.

Online Doc Holliday

I had a back injury about 3 years ago, my GP just gave me stronger and stronger painkillers, I spent a lot of time flat on my back zonked out on painkillers, MRI and x-rays didnt show any injury.  At the end of my tether I went to a chiropractor that specialised in the type of injury I had, he was able to xray my back and found the problem immediately!! I had to have a lot of treatment and manipulation (in a very sensitive place!!)  It took over a year and cost a lot of money......but worth every penny, dont take a single painkiller for it now.

There is much that doesn't make sense with the medical history you have given. My suspicion would be that whatever the cause of your pain it just resolved itself over time, but you spent a lot of money in the process?