Shouldn't girls ony get paid if they deliver the services they advertise?

[hermanmunster]

It would be a breath of fresh air in this hobby if girls/agencies felt obliged to repay part of the fee if they decide that they are only going to provide some of the services they apparently offer - and which forms the basis of the decision for us hiring their services.

It frustrates me to constantly read that girls will not offer the services they advertise - surely this is a Trades Description Act breach?  If they only provide 50% of the services because of their "at their discretion" decision then surely they should refund 50% of the fee?  In offer and acceptance law, once they take the money, doesn't that form the contract? (and the contract is that they provide the services they advertise)

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters started making a fuss, then agencies would have to reconsider their position on this.  Any thoughts?

[mrhappypants]

I think the legal argument is a red herring.   

I think the real answer is to get your qualification, contracting and feedback sorted out.   

[hermanmunster]

Shouldn't try and be smart if you don't understand original post.

[hendrix]

Surely, there's two elements here? Scumbag prossies and pimps who deliberately refuse to deliver as promised in the hope that you're thinking with your dick.... And genuine refusal because, for example, some idiots don't know how to maintain their personal hygiene.

In the first case, name and shame on UKP, and in the second, learn how to wash properly.

Refunds ain't happening in either case unless you get lucky.

[marcello]

It would be a breath of fresh air in this hobby if girls/agencies felt obliged to repay part of the fee if they decide that they are only going to provide some of the services they apparently offer - and which forms the basis of the decision for us hiring their services.

It frustrates me to constantly read that girls will not offer the services they advertise - surely this is a Trades Description Act breach?  If they only provide 50% of the services because of their "at their discretion" decision then surely they should refund 50% of the fee?  In offer and acceptance law, once they take the money, doesn't that form the contract? (and the contract is that they provide the services they advertise)

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters started making a fuss, then agencies would have to reconsider their position on this.  Any thoughts?

Sorry to disappoint, but it's business - honor is in the dollar.
If I were a prossie I'do worse considering my morals.

[mrhappypants]

Shouldn't try and be smart if you don't understand original post.

I think I might have an insight into why you are having difficulty getting decent service...

[Gordon Bennett]

I think the whole porn/smut/sex industry revolves around the simple premise that vast majority of customers will be too embarrassed to complain if they receive shoddy service.

[hermanmunster]

I think I might have an insight into why you are having difficulty getting decent service...

You really don't get it do you - not sure why you bothered responding, when you clearly didn't read/understand my post. Perhaps a bit of an ego trip trying to run someone down - sometimes this approach backfires and you embarrass yourself. I should just keep quiet?.

[Rochelle]

You really don't get it do you - not sure why you bothered responding, when you clearly didn't read/understand my post. Perhaps a bit of an ego trip trying to run someone down - sometimes this approach backfires and you embarrass yourself. I should just keep quiet?.

I agree with mrhappypants. I think we can see why you're having issues.
In any case, that's a ridiculous suggestion because there are punters out there who don't have a clue about hygiene.

[OakTree]

It frustrates me to constantly read that girls will not offer the services they advertise - surely this is a Trades Description Act breach?  If they only provide 50% of the services because of their "at their discretion" decision then surely they should refund 50% of the fee?  In offer and acceptance law, once they take the money, doesn't that form the contract? (and the contract is that they provide the services they advertise)

Take them to court then if that’s how you feel.

[fairfield]

I think the whole porn/smut/sex industry revolves around the simple premise that vast majority of customers will be too embarrassed to complain if they receive shoddy service.

Sadly I complain/whinge at the end of nearly every punt - but it never gets me anywhere.
At my under £100/hr budget, IMHO nearly every pro$$ie i meet dislikes/hates the job and by extension their customers.  They seem to have this attitude that they are being taken advantage of - and 'repay' their punters with shoddy service.

[cockneybstrd]

I think over the years I must have read numerous threads on this subject. Normally from punters quite new to scene. I seem to remember one about punters going on strike and would that bring about change.

Anyway what if she counter sued. Claimed your poor hygiene gave her PTSD and now is no longer able to work and she wants loss of earnings for the next ten years.

[Londonpunter30]

Sorry to disappoint, but it's business - honor is in the dollar.
If I were a prossie I'do worse considering my morals.

Although seeing as this is a British system it should be Honour is in the pound

[Spiceoflife]

Until Ofpunt is set up, good luck

[Stevensmiles]

Until Ofpunt is set up, good luck

 

[mrhappypants]

You really don't get it do you.....?

I get why Anda declined a booking from you.

[NicoleNibbles]

It would be a breath of fresh air in this hobby if girls/agencies felt obliged to repay part of the fee if they decide that they are only going to provide some of the services they apparently offer - and which forms the basis of the decision for us hiring their services.

It frustrates me to constantly read that girls will not offer the services they advertise - surely this is a Trades Description Act breach?  If they only provide 50% of the services because of their "at their discretion" decision then surely they should refund 50% of the fee?  In offer and acceptance law, once they take the money, doesn't that form the contract? (and the contract is that they provide the services they advertise)

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters started making a fuss, then agencies would have to reconsider their position on this.  Any thoughts?

It would be a breath of fresh air if punters weren't either lazy or disrespectful to have a wash and not just douse themselves in aftershave or fling a bit of water at their cocks and mouths. It's impossible to tell during initial comms that the punter smells.
Maybe us WG's need to stand together more to refuse to work with dirty smelly disrespectful punters until the message gets across that we do have standards and hygienically clean is a basic one.
We might have finger play on our likes, but a punter comes near my fanny with dirty nails and/or sharp nails, those fingers aren't touching me for obvious reasons.
We might have anal at discretion on profiles, but some men are fools who think they can come at our asses and go straight in.
We might have we will rim you on profiles, but again refer back to hygiene. No one in their right minds is going to lick a dirty shit stained ass.
Many of these issues don't come to light until after the cash has changed hands.
Or would you prefer we make you strip first, investigate your body and attitude first before deciding? Then we would be accused of time wasting.

[theoldmaggot]

It would be a breath of fresh air if punters weren't either lazy or disrespectful to have a wash and not just douse themselves in aftershave or fling a bit of water at their cocks and mouths. It's impossible to tell during initial comms that the punter smells.
Maybe us WG's need to stand together more to refuse to work with dirty smelly disrespectful punters until the message gets across that we do have standards and hygienically clean is a basic one.
We might have finger play on our likes, but a punter comes near my fanny with dirty nails and/or sharp nails, those fingers aren't touching me for obvious reasons.
We might have anal at discretion on profiles, but some men are fools who think they can come at our asses and go straight in.
We might have we will rim you on profiles, but again refer back to hygiene. No one in their right minds is going to lick a dirty shit stained ass.
Many of these issues don't come to light until after the cash has changed hands.
Or would you prefer we make you strip first, investigate your body and attitude first before deciding? Then we would be accused of time wasting.

Swings and roundabouts I guess. One of these things in this industry. I have heard some horror stories from both sides.

[fairfield]

It would be a breath of fresh air......

Ooh err Matron! - can a pro$$ie have ocd? How did the human race ever reproduce before the invention of all the current male grooming nonsense? For me 'getting down and dirty' is all part of a shag.
In my limited experience, agreed services are nearly always withdrawn AFTER the dosh has been handed over and you've had plenty of time to size each other up. 'Hygiene issues' becomes just one of many self justificating excuses not to deliver.

[mikexxlong]

It would be a breath of fresh air if punters weren't either lazy or disrespectful to have a wash and not just douse themselves in aftershave or fling a bit of water at their cocks and mouths. It's impossible to tell during initial comms that the punter smells.
Maybe us WG's need to stand together more to refuse to work with dirty smelly disrespectful punters until the message gets across that we do have standards and hygienically clean is a basic one.
We might have finger play on our likes, but a punter comes near my fanny with dirty nails and/or sharp nails, those fingers aren't touching me for obvious reasons.
We might have anal at discretion on profiles, but some men are fools who think they can come at our asses and go straight in.
We might have we will rim you on profiles, but again refer back to hygiene. No one in their right minds is going to lick a dirty shit stained ass.
Many of these issues don't come to light until after the cash has changed hands.
Or would you prefer we make you strip first, investigate your body and attitude first before deciding? Then we would be accused of time wasting.

why not ? 

just don't take all day about it, be well mannered and as long as the time taken didn't come out of the session time I don't see it as a problem

[mikexxlong]

Ooh err Matron! - can a pro$$ie have ocd? How did the human race ever reproduce before the invention of all the current male grooming nonsense? For me 'getting down and dirty' is all part of a shag.
In my limited experience, agreed services are nearly always withdrawn AFTER the dosh has been handed over and you've had plenty of time to size each other up. 'Hygiene issues' becomes just one of many self justificating excuses not to deliver.

to fucking right

[TailSeeker]

It would be a breath of fresh air in this hobby if girls/agencies felt obliged to repay part of the fee if they decide that they are only going to provide some of the services they apparently offer - and which forms the basis of the decision for us hiring their services.

It frustrates me to constantly read that girls will not offer the services they advertise - surely this is a Trades Description Act breach?  If they only provide 50% of the services because of their "at their discretion" decision then surely they should refund 50% of the fee?  In offer and acceptance law, once they take the money, doesn't that form the contract? (and the contract is that they provide the services they advertise)

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters started making a fuss, then agencies would have to reconsider their position on this.  Any thoughts?

I guess a few things come into play. Are you conveying the services you want in advance? Are you showing up clean and tidy? Are you confirming the services on arrival?

I've told people if you see something "at discretion" it generally means they don't want to do it, have conditions for it, or want extra for it. So wisest always to clarify before booking. If you're dealing with a maid, treat anything agreed with suspicion, and always confirm on arrival the services you want.

Once you clarify, pop it in a review that it was refused, and get the reason for it. Then you're helping others know what to expect for the price point as well as benefiting from other's postings.

[JamesKW]

The best thing is not to use agencies,I know AW girls may be the same but at least you haven't wasted so much money.For your standard £800 punt,I would have had at least 10 parties,which will be a mix of good and bad services.If you spend £800 on one its a bit of a bummer if its a bad one.

[hermanmunster]

It would be a breath of fresh air if punters weren't either lazy or disrespectful to have a wash and not just douse themselves in aftershave or fling a bit of water at their cocks and mouths. It's impossible to tell during initial comms that the punter smells.
Maybe us WG's need to stand together more to refuse to work with dirty smelly disrespectful punters until the message gets across that we do have standards and hygienically clean is a basic one.
We might have finger play on our likes, but a punter comes near my fanny with dirty nails and/or sharp nails, those fingers aren't touching me for obvious reasons.
We might have anal at discretion on profiles, but some men are fools who think they can come at our asses and go straight in.
We might have we will rim you on profiles, but again refer back to hygiene. No one in their right minds is going to lick a dirty shit stained ass.
Many of these issues don't come to light until after the cash has changed hands.
Or would you prefer we make you strip first, investigate your body and attitude first before deciding? Then we would be accused of time wasting.

You have a fair point above.

But the point of the argument is more that: If the money is taken and it then transpires certain services are no longer available (we obviously aren't all squeaky clean Adonises), then is it fair to keep all the fee?  Personally I would always have a shower immediately before leaving my place and then ask for a shower at the ladies flat - just to reassure her that I was "clean".  I'm sure there are many guys as you describe - not sure I could cope with that in your shoes.

[peter.witless]

The best thing is not to use agencies,I know AW girls may be the same but at least you haven't wasted so much money.For your standard £800 punt,I would have had at least 10 parties,which will be a mix of good and bad services.If you spend £800 on one its a bit of a bummer if its a bad one.

People pay that much?     
What, are they millionaires?

[DastardlyDick]

You'd have to take the pro$$ie to Court - chances are she'd disappear as soon as Court documents hit her doormat (assuming it's her doormat in the first place), then there's the risk that OH sees the Court/Solicitors letter and asks "why are you suing a pro$$ie darling?" In the first scenario, even if you got a default judgement, how would you collect the award? In the second, divorce can cost a lot more than money.
Nice thought, but a non-starter I fear.

[whiskyfan]

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters started making a fuss, then agencies would have to reconsider their position on this.  Any thoughts?

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters like you stopped using agencies (which are illegal businesses) there would be fewer scumbag pimps around. Any thoughts?

[workinallweek]

Surely advanced preparation (feedback reports) are a good way of avoiding this problem ,and maybe a pre punt meeting to sum up the person ,if they are genuine surely they wouldnt have a problem with the suggestion ?

[fairfield]

....For your standard £800 punt,....

Surely there's an extra 0 here?
But if that figure is real, no wonder the O/P wants to sue his pro$$ies for crap service - me i'd be shouting from the roof tops.

[fairfield]

You have a fair point above......

..... - not sure I could cope with that in your shoes.

aaww big H, there i was thinking you were gonna drag these conniving pro$$ies before a hanging judge and see them get their just desserts - but you've suddenly gone all fluffy.
And despite your gallantry and multiple showers (is spice's OCD catching or something?) - personally i wouldnt count on getting into that very particular sugar 'n Spice's shoes any time soon if i were you. Shoe-sharing must be way too unhygienic for that SP.   

[hermanmunster]

 

[rocket88]

Punting is unfortunately not covered by consumer legislation. I think the discussion on this thread shows the importance of getting the negative reviews up on the punts that warrant it to help each other out.

[DaVINCI]

It would be a breath of fresh air in this hobby if girls/agencies felt obliged to repay part of the fee if they decide that they are only going to provide some of the services they apparently offer - and which forms the basis of the decision for us hiring their services.

It frustrates me to constantly read that girls will not offer the services they advertise - surely this is a Trades Description Act breach?  If they only provide 50% of the services because of their "at their discretion" decision then surely they should refund 50% of the fee?  In offer and acceptance law, once they take the money, doesn't that form the contract? (and the contract is that they provide the services they advertise)

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters started making a fuss, then agencies would have to reconsider their position on this.  Any thoughts?

l always confirm services in place of meeting prior to proceeding due to experience.

If it later transpires the SP renegade on the agreed service, the Review would reflect this accordingly and would jeopardised any potential further booking.

But indirect answer to your question, yes, the SP should be refunding part of the fee. Not sure about 50% depends on the services that were omitted 

The contract you have with a SP is an “Unenforceable” contract.

[JamesKW]

Surely there's an extra 0 here?
But if that figure is real, no wonder the O/P wants to sue his pro$$ies for crap service - me i'd be shouting from the roof tops.

One of his reviews was £850 for 3 hours.

[MrMatrix]

I think over the years I must have read numerous threads on this subject. Normally from punters quite new to scene. I seem to remember one about punters going on strike and would that bring about change.

Anyway what if she counter sued. Claimed your poor hygiene gave her PTSD and now is no longer able to work and she wants loss of earnings for the next ten years.

Welcome back Cockneybstrd, where have you been the last 2 years mate. Will you be punting again?

[king tarzan]

Whether it's respected  despised I have my £20 kiss test....

It helps me enjoy the service or save me from a con artist and money intact..

I don't have to argue with the woman or there maids/pimps, I don't have to whinge to agencies...


It's done there and then...


I am going there with a nice attitude, with gentle gfe enjoyment intentions, I don't want to be fucked about by some money hungry lying bastards...

Have had enough of that in the past..

So i developed a technique to put there honesty on the spot..

Can't keep giving away money for nothing..

I don't like to be made a fool of by anyone..
And I don't make a fool of anyone by trying to con them .


It's not me, if I even borrowed £1 from someone because I fell short for a coffee, when I see them again 1st thing the following day I will immediately give there £1 back..

Some say forget it, I say nope it's your £1 not mine and put it in there hand..

[king tarzan]

Idealistic I know, but if a significant number of punters like you stopped using agencies (which are illegal businesses) there would be fewer scumbag pimps around. Any thoughts?

There's nothing wrong with using agencies..

The women are better looking..

If adultworks had high qaulity sure I would keep using them.

Fed up with trawling through adultworks and finding nothing..

Agencies cost more, obviously wish they didn't, but I want to rent a beautiful woman with modest gfe services..
I am content with that..

Widened the pool to mix and match

Adultworks and agencies..

[fisherofsouls]

The best thing is not to use agencies,I know AW girls may be the same but at least you haven't wasted so much money.For your standard £800 punt,I would have had at least 10 parties,which will be a mix of good and bad services.If you spend £800 on one its a bit of a bummer if its a bad one.

Your WHAT!!!???

James are you trying to discreetly let slip that you have conSIDerably more money than us ?

[Waterhouse]

There's nothing wrong with using agencies..

The women are better looking..

If adultworks had high qaulity sure I would keep using them.

Fed up with trawling through adultworks and finding nothing..

Agencies cost more, obviously wish they didn't, but I want to rent a beautiful woman with modest gfe services..
I am content with that..

Widened the pool to mix and match

Adultworks and agencies..

Never used an agency myself, ever, but have to disagree somewhat about there not being good looking ladies on AW.  You yourself have highly rated a good number of AW girls on more than one occasion.

From what I can ascertain reading posts and reviews, in general and on average you pay significantly more and get less from agency girls when compared to reliable and good independent SPs who only work via AW. They deliver a much better service on the whole and therefore are better vfm if you ask me.

Just my thoughts and observations 

(PS think of the money you'd save if you stopped using agencies for the most part, you'd have loads spare to buy your Kouros by the crate-full  )

[king tarzan]

Never used an agency myself, ever, but have to disagree somewhat about there not being good looking ladies on AW.  You yourself have highly rated a good number of AW girls on more than one occasion.

From what I can ascertain reading posts and reviews, in general and on average you pay significantly more and get less from agency girls when compared to reliable and good independent SPs who only work via AW. They deliver a much better service on the whole and therefore are better vfm if you ask me.

Just my thoughts and observations 

(PS think of the money you'd save if you stopped using agencies for the most part, you'd have loads spare to buy your Kouros by the crate-full  )

The adultworks ladies were good hotties  in the past yes 100% admit that.
In the past year it's been horrendous on adultworks..
So therefore I had to expand.. and it's been very good so far via agencies..

It's a choice between inferior qaulity of looks which adultworks has plenty of superior qaulity of looks which agencies have plenty..

It's that simple..

[whiskyfan]

There's nothing wrong with using agencies..

The women are better looking..

If adultworks had high qaulity sure I would keep using them.

Fed up with trawling through adultworks and finding nothing..

Agencies cost more, obviously wish they didn't, but I want to rent a beautiful woman with modest gfe services..
I am content with that..

Widened the pool to mix and match

Adultworks and agencies..

If you want to continue supporting illegal businesses and pimps by frequenting agencies, that's up to you. However, to declare that agency girls are better looking is stupid. Better photoshopped and airbrushed more like.

[king tarzan]

However, to declare that agency girls are better looking is stupid. Better photoshopped and airbrushed more like.

There is a big huge difference!

[Troydor69]

I think its clear that there are two sides to this. On the one hand some profiles do list services that are never on offer, either because the WG is dishonest or because the profile is written by Sergei. On the other hand I can understand why a genuine WG would refuse FK, OWO, etc if a guy turns up that is either stinking or has obvious health issues.

Personally I always list what I am looking for when I make a booking and have only been let down once, by a girl who in retrospect was probably being pimped out.

The dishonest WGs can usuallly be weeded out by checking this site. I guess the other side of the coin is for the WGs to deal with as best they can.

[whiskyfan]

There is a big huge difference!

Interesting that you show no concerns over the legal and pimping aspects of agencies.

As for the "big huge difference", absolute garbage. There's a whole world of punting outside of your little sphere, remember.

[king tarzan]

Interesting that you show no concerns over the legal and pimping aspects of agencies.

As for the "big huge difference", absolute garbage. There's a whole world of punting outside of your little sphere, remember.

Ok detective inspector 

[whiskyfan]

Ok detective inspector 

Keep your head in the sand and continue financing pimps in overpriced, illegal, agencies, then. 

[DaVINCI]

Whether it's respected  despised I have my £20 kiss test....

It helps me enjoy the service or save me from a con artist and money intact..

I don't have to argue with the woman or there maids/pimps, I don't have to whinge to agencies...


It's done there and then...


I am going there with a nice attitude, with gentle gfe enjoyment intentions, I don't want to be fucked about by some money hungry lying bastards...

Have had enough of that in the past..

So i developed a technique to put there honesty on the spot..

Can't keep giving away money for nothing..

I have heard this Kiss test from another poster but never actually seen a thread on this. 

Can you advise what this procedure is or list a link to a thread if there is such a thing 

[theoldmaggot]

Kiss test by KT


https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=157415.0

[TailSeeker]

There's nothing wrong with using agencies..

The women are better looking..

If adultworks had high qaulity sure I would keep using them.

Fed up with trawling through adultworks and finding nothing..

Agencies cost more, obviously wish they didn't, but I want to rent a beautiful woman with modest gfe services..
I am content with that..

Widened the pool to mix and match

Adultworks and agencies..

It's certainly good to have a mix, but as reviews will attest, photos on agencies can be even more airbrushed than AW (or on one agency, "it's not the girl as she's famous, but she looks similar to this person"). But then you get the same on AW, bait and switches.

There's no guarentee from either end that they're better looking. As really that's objective.

[DaVINCI]

Kiss test by KT


https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=157415.0

  can see awkward moments with this scenario.