Love for Sale with Rupert Everett - Channel 4

[akauya]

Yet another documentary on prostitution this time though written and  presented by Rupert Everett, who is known for taking the side of prostitutes. Not that silly doe eyed Stacey Dooley or the other recent one Billie Porter.

I hope Rupert Everett does a better job of it.

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"Prostitutes are often seen as either immoral individuals or exploited victims, but Rupert gets behind the stereotypes and hears the unvarnished truth from both sex workers and their clients.

Filmed across the UK and also in France, Holland and Israel, this episode sees Rupert explore the motivations of sex workers. His encounters range from the Exeter housewife who claims she loves her work, to the Liverpool street-walker, and from the Mayfair escort who charges £700 an hour, to the young rent boy on the backstreets of Tel Aviv.

Rupert offers a passionate defence of the dignity and rights of a group of people who he feels have been unjustly stigmatised for thousands of years.

This is an unusually truthful and honest insight into the sex trade, and a funny and sometimes angry attack on the hypocrisy that surrounds the subject."

[vorian]

Can't see when it is due to be aired  but should be better than the usual childish approach the TV normally takes.

[akauya]

Can't see when it is due to be aired  but should be better than the usual childish approach the TV normally takes.

I think it's on Monday 28th April, Channel 4 10pm.

[vorian]

I think it's on Monday 28th April, Channel 4 10pm.

Cheers, One to watch I think 

[Convince Me]

Definitely be tuning in & scouwering the papers for their view.

[Curious6705]

Here's to Rupert Everett and a liberal backlash. 

[Rochdull lad]

Here's to Rupert Everett and a liberal backlash. 

We might well need one if some of the stuff in this article: External Link/Members Only ever comes about.  I was reading it on the bus this morning on my way to see one of my Regulars.

There's talk of some real Big Brother stuff in the article.  Apparently the Northern Ireland Assembly is currently considering a system for the Province on the Swedish lines, which seems to have cross-party support.  The thing which makes it unlikely to be brought in is that it relies on mobile phone intercepts.  In Sweden, these can be approved by the equivalent of a Police Superintendent; but in Northern Ireland, according to the Northern Ireland Justice Minister, each one would have to be signed by the Secretary of State for N.I.

I'm not sure if that only applies in the Six Counties, or whether a Cabinet Minister has to approve each intercept [for whatever purpose] in the rest of the UK, as well.  If so, it sounds like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.  Anybody else know?

[vorian]

We might well need one if some of the stuff in this article: External Link/Members Only ever comes about.  I was reading it on the bus this morning on my way to see one of my Regulars.

There's talk of some real Big Brother stuff in the article.  Apparently the Northern Ireland Assembly is currently considering a system for the Province on the Swedish lines, which seems to have cross-party support.  The thing which makes it unlikely to be brought in is that it relies on mobile phone intercepts.  In Sweden, these can be approved by the equivalent of a Police Superintendent; but in Northern Ireland, according to the Northern Ireland Justice Minister, each one would have to be signed by the Secretary of State for N.I.

I'm not sure if that only applies in the Six Counties, or whether a Cabinet Minister has to approve each intercept [for whatever purpose] in the rest of the UK, as well.  If so, it sounds like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.  Anybody else know?

Mobile phone intercepts, how fucking stupid can you get, everyone will just use email instead, don't they have real criminals to catch.

[Rochdull lad]

Apologies, everyone, my earlier post is Off-topic for this thread; I started going through this Board, as I always do with the last un-read thread.  When I logged on, this thread was lower down the list than "Nordic model", which is where my post would have been more relevant.

[NIK]

This is the one I was asked to be in! 

[vorian]

This is the one I was asked to be in! 

Well the fact that they asked you, even if you turned them down, is a good sign for me, at least they were trying to talk to real punters and not just twats on a stag weekend.

[Bigus Dickus]

We might well need one if some of the stuff in this article: External Link/Members Only ever comes about.  I was reading it on the bus this morning on my way to see one of my Regulars.

There's talk of some real Big Brother stuff in the article.  Apparently the Northern Ireland Assembly is currently considering a system for the Province on the Swedish lines, which seems to have cross-party support.  The thing which makes it unlikely to be brought in is that it relies on mobile phone intercepts.  In Sweden, these can be approved by the equivalent of a Police Superintendent; but in Northern Ireland, according to the Northern Ireland Justice Minister, each one would have to be signed by the Secretary of State for N.I.

I'm not sure if that only applies in the Six Counties, or whether a Cabinet Minister has to approve each intercept [for whatever purpose] in the rest of the UK, as well.  If so, it sounds like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.  Anybody else know?

How many MP's have been shagging escorts? They've not got a fucking snowballs chance in hell of getting this voted in!

 

[vorian]

How many MP's have been shagging escorts? They've not got a fucking snowballs chance in hell of getting this voted in!

 

If a party whip (No pun intended) is enforced, they will, a free vote maybe not but it is easy points with the media and the voters.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

If a party whip (No pun intended) is enforced, they will, a free vote maybe not but it is easy points with the media and the voters.

Is it really easy points?  There are existing laws that cover trafficking, coercion and streetworking, it'd make sense to try to get more results from those instead of blowing taxpayers' money drafting and introducing even more legislation.

[vorian]

Is it really easy points?  There are existing laws that cover trafficking, coercion and streetworking, it'd make sense to try to get more results from those instead of blowing taxpayers' money drafting and introducing even more legislation.

It's the headlines that count in an election year, not the reality. This is a subject that all the parties can lie about without substantial challenge, presenting estimates as facts and playing an emotional card. It is the same with drugs, The Sun, The Mail, The Express, etc,etc all of those will be of the same opinion trying to out do each other with how tough they are. The "This could be your daughter" stories will be trotted out any professional how stands up with be attacked. Look what happened to the Government reports on drug, suppressed and ignored because they don't play well to the masses and a general election is all about the masses.

There is no political cost to them as all the main parties will agree as will the press and the grass roots party members.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

I suppose you're right, vorian, it just galls me when those in power (or who hope to be in power) try to enforce their personal morality on the rest of us by dressing it up as concern for vulnerable women because they know they've got more chance of getting their own way by using those tactics.

Women in truly vulnerable areas of sex-work absolutely should be protected.  And legislation to do just that already exists.  It's not sensational enough though, is it?   

[vorian]

I suppose you're right, vorian, it just galls me when those in power (or who hope to be in power) try to enforce their personal morality on the rest of us by dressing it up as concern for vulnerable women because they know they've got more chance of getting their own way by using those tactics.

Women in truly vulnerable areas of sex-work absolutely should be protected.  And legislation to do just that already exists.  It's not sensational enough though, is it?   

Sorry about my last post, got distracted by the football before I proof read it.

It galls me as well, but it is not about morality, personal or otherwise, it is about power and the pursuit of power. Many women do not like the thought of prossies (as women in control of themselves) as it takes away the power of their strongest weapon ie the rationing of sexual favours. Without that they have very little to offer men, a lot of woman hated Katie Price for example when she was a page three girl, but when she became famous for sexually manipulating men, she was popular all of a sudden. Why is it as a page three girl she would not be considered to be a role model, but now she is.
 

[Bigus Dickus]

They won't ban it because they will cut off a revenue stream from those who pay taxes and drive it underground.

[vorian]

They won't ban it because they will cut off a revenue stream from those who pay taxes and drive it underground.

They are not talking about banning it, the prossies can still work legally and pay taxes without any problem.

[jcdmj12]

Sorry about my last post, got distracted by the football before I proof read it.

It galls me as well, but it is not about morality, personal or otherwise, it is about power and the pursuit of power. Many women do not like the thought of prossies (as women in control of themselves) as it takes away the power of their strongest weapon ie the rationing of sexual favours. Without that they have very little to offer men, a lot of woman hated Katie Price for example when she was a page three girl, but when she became famous for sexually manipulating men, she was popular all of a sudden. Why is it as a page three girl she would not be considered to be a role model, but now she is.

I think you have the truth of it there.  For all the bullshit about "no consent poissible due financial coercian in the context of patriarchy" they spout, I have long suspected that they really dislike it because it lowers the collective market value of the sacred vaginas.

[jcdmj12]

They are not talking about banning it, the prossies can still work legally and pay taxes without any problem.

This "we're not stopping prostitution, just prosecuting the clients" is the biggest load of duplicitious bullshit I have ever heard.  Why don't they try posting a policeman outside the local supermarket and arresting everyone who shops there, then seeing how long it stays in business?

[smiths]

Is it really easy points?  There are existing laws that cover trafficking, coercion and streetworking, it'd make sense to try to get more results from those instead of blowing taxpayers' money drafting and introducing even more legislation.

Indeed there are, there are more than enough laws already around prostitution, they dont always get enforced though and to the femi-nazis led by Harridan only criminalising the punter will do them. They dont give a flying fuck what the consequences of criminalisation would actually result in, punting being driven even further underground than it is now, making it more dangerous for the WGs they purport to want to help. Seems these WGs would be acceptable collateral damage to Harridan and her ilk.

IMO its 100% certain Harridan will attempt to bring in such a law if in power to do so, she tried in 2009 but ran out of time so settled for her coercion law instead in the end.

[vorian]

This "we're not stopping prostitution, just prosecuting the clients" is the biggest load of duplicitious bullshit I have ever heard.  Why don't they try posting a policeman outside the local supermarket and arresting everyone who shops there, then seeing how long it stays in business?

It's not about stopping prostitution,  they don't care about the women, it is about power and normal everyday prossies reduce that power. Just look at the why do you punt thread and you can see the truth of that.

[domino131]

Rupert wrote a very good article about the Soho raids in the Guardian earlier this year, I'm very interested to see his documentary.

[smiths]

This "we're not stopping prostitution, just prosecuting the clients" is the biggest load of duplicitious bullshit I have ever heard.  Why don't they try posting a policeman outside the local supermarket and arresting everyone who shops there, then seeing how long it stays in business?

Its all about putting fear into punters of course, the mere possibility of being nicked will deter some punters as they have too much to lose.

[Bigus Dickus]

They are not talking about banning it, the prossies can still work legally and pay taxes without any problem.

If they outlaw the punters then it, in effect, outlaws punting. I can't see how customers could get punished but the vendor stays legal! It would just create a completely underground trade, which would only benefit pimps, traffickers and organised crime.

It might have the effect of moving the punting economy overseas.

Let's see what happens.

[DJ Fruit Polo]

If they outlaw the punters then it, in effect, outlaws punting. I can't see how customers could get punished but the vendor stays legal! It would just create a completely underground trade, which would only benefit pimps, traffickers and organised crime.

Presumably the idea is to eradicate prostitution by the back door by removing the demand.  No clients = no work = no more WGs.  It's as easy as that.

Ahem.   

As you say, the reality is that it's all likely to move underground -well, more underground - and become more dangerous for WGs and clients alike.   

[Jimmyredcab]

They won't ban it because they will cut off a revenue stream from those who pay taxes and drive it underground.

I wonder how many prostitutes are registered with HMRC, I would guess very few.   

[akauya]

Rupert wrote a very good article about the Soho raids in the Guardian earlier this year, I'm very interested to see his documentary.

Yes, that's right (External Link/Members Only) and it's a very good article indeed. That's why I'm hoping he does a better job than the two presenters I mentioned in the OP.

[jjpsweet]

Monday 28th April on channel 4

[SirFrank]

I read the review yesterday in one of the TV mags. There's a 33 year old woman being interviewed - her mother and teenage son know what she does etc. I find it odd that anyone would want to appear on these shows. Like others I hope this presents a balanced view of the game but I find it odd that anyone would effectively want to advertise to the world this is what I do. Surely most people want to keep this private? Even if she gets more punters as a result of this I'm sure the whispers and stares will counteract that and longer term there'll be a permanent reminder of her occupation

[Sienna_Bronze]

I'm completely open and honest about what I do. My ex thought it a good idea to post about my job and put a link to my aw profile on my Facebook page. I have family, including my mother and loads of friends on there that saw the lot. I now have support from my mum and my friends and it saves me hassle because I don't have to cover my tracks when I need to do an overnight or work late. The only negative is having old school mates book me, which believe me does happen!

[GeeWiz]

Reviewed as balanced and sympathetic since RE used to be a rent boy and was friends with prostitutes.  It's in two parts.

[vorian]

I'm completely open and honest about what I do. My ex thought it a good idea to post about my job and put a link to my aw profile on my Facebook page. I have family, including my mother and loads of friends on there that saw the lot. I now have support from my mum and my friends and it saves me hassle because I don't have to cover my tracks when I need to do an overnight or work late. The only negative is having old school mates book me, which believe me does happen!

What do you do then, refuse them or take the booking.

[Missfilan]

I'm completely open and honest about what I do. My ex thought it a good idea to post about my job and put a link to my aw profile on my Facebook page. I have family, including my mother and loads of friends on there that saw the lot. I now have support from my mum and my friends and it saves me hassle because I don't have to cover my tracks when I need to do an overnight or work late. The only negative is having old school mates book me, which believe me does happen!

My family and close friends know but I would hate for them to see my website or aw profile.  There are some things that my parents don't need to see at all lol  I have never had anyone I know try to book me yet, would be interested in hearing how you handle that one.

And regarding the programme, I have set the series link and really looking forward to watching.

[Missfilan]

Surely most people want to keep this private? Even if she gets more punters as a result of this I'm sure the whispers and stares will counteract that and longer term there'll be a permanent reminder of her occupation

I feel sorry for her son to be honest. It is not something that would want my child knowing. As for appearing on TV or selling a story, I couldn't think of anything worse even if it was not about prostitution.

[Sienna_Bronze]

What do you do then, refuse them or take the booking.

It totally depends on how much of a dick they were when we were at school. I've only had to do that once though.

 

I feel sorry for her son to be honest. It is not something that would want my child knowing. As for appearing on TV or selling a story, I couldn't think of anything worse even if it was not about prostitution.

I'm more than prepared to have a discussion with my children about my work. After all I'd much rather them hear about it from me than some random.

[Dani]

I'm more than prepared to have a discussion with my children about my work. After all I'd much rather them hear about it from me than some random.

That's sensible.  My son found out when I was outed as posters of my AW profile were all over my village so my son found out from his friends and it almost destroyed our relationship.  It took a long time to get back on track with a lot of open conversations.  he is fine with it now as he knows it is just a job and I work as safely as possible
I wish I had been the one who told him in the first place as it would have solved a lot of heartache on both sides as people can be very vicious and vindictive and love to rub that sort of thing in

[Jimmyredcab]

 
I'm more than prepared to have a discussion with my children about my work. After all I'd much rather them hear about it from me than some random.

If you have children that are old enough to discuss this sort of thing maybe you should think about retiring.   

[Jimmyredcab]

That's sensible.  My son found out when I was outed as posters of my AW profile were all over my village so my son found out from his friends and it almost destroyed our relationship.  It took a long time to get back on track with a lot of open conversations.  he is fine with it now as he knows it is just a job.

Dani, I have a lot of respect for you -------------- but it's not just a job.   

My Dad died when I was 10 years old, my mother did cleaning at a children's hospital ---------------- that was "just a job". 

[Sienna_Bronze]

If you have children that are old enough to discuss this sort of thing maybe you should think about retiring.   

Retire, nah. I popped one out while I was still at school.

[Dani]

Dani, I have a lot of respect for you -------------- but it's not just a job.   

You may be right but to me it is just a job.  yes I suck cock and fuck but it is work that I get paid for so its a job.  I cannot get another job that would allow me to have days off each week as I need due to illness.  No employer would accept that so this is the only job I can do now so to me it is just a job or just work if that sounds better

[Sienna_Bronze]

You may be right but to me it is just a job.  yes I suck cock and fuck but it is work that I get paid for so its a job.  I cannot get another job that would allow me to have days off each week as I need due to illness.  No employer would accept that so this is the only job I can do now so to me it is just a job or just work if that sounds better

I agree 100%. To me it's just a job. I offer a service which I sell and others buy. I enjoy my job and like Dani I'm lucky I can pick and choose my hours to suit me.

[Jimmyredcab]

You may be right but to me it is just a job.  yes I suck cock and fuck but it is work that I get paid for so its a job.  I cannot get another job that would allow me to have days off each week as I need due to illness.  No employer would accept that so this is the only job I can do now so to me it is just a job or just work if that sounds better

Dani --------------------- I repeat, I have the greatest respect for you, but my Mum survived by mopping floors for minimum wage --- or whatever it was in those days.     

[akauya]

Remember chaps, it's on tonight at 10pm on Channel 4

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[Aspen]

You may be right but to me it is just a job.  yes I suck cock and fuck but it is work that I get paid for so its a job.  I cannot get another job that would allow me to have days off each week as I need due to illness.  No employer would accept that so this is the only job I can do now so to me it is just a job or just work if that sounds better

Dani - I think you are a special case, and you are wholly in the right, but that doesn't make it 'just a job'. I get very tired of hearing from the escort fraternity that it's just a job. They use this to justify ill treatment of their partners and lots of other things. Maybe they are kidding themselves, but it's still a lie.

[Rochdull lad]

Fwiw, and without having met either of them, I think that when Dani & Sienna write that it's just a job, they write from the perspective of "sorted" Indies, who can treat it as such.

I remember one of my Regulars once telling me that, there were times when she may not have felt like working but that, if she'd seen [e.g.] a nice pair of shoes in a shop window then got a call to see if she was available, she'd often think, "Well, at least that hour will more than pay for those shoes."

I can't imagine that many of our EE visitors see it like that, though.

[NIK]

Just finished watching it.

Firstly I actually didn't know Rupert Everett before. I'd heard of his name, but didn't know him. He's certainly posh!

To be honest I found it a bit boring. Nothing I hadn't really heard before, although to be fair to him he was obviously on the side of making it legal rather than driving it further underground.   Unlike that fucking Irish twat at the end who wanted to criminalise men who pay for it.  When will these stupid twats realise that will never stop it, merely drive it ever more underground and make it increasingly dangerous for the women they are allegedly trying to protect. 

Hopefully next week's programme about the clients will be more interesting because that hasn't been done anywhere near as much as programmes about prossies.

However having been invited to feature in it I just can't believe people are willing to appear on TV for sweet FA. I bet Mr  Everett is making a few bob from it!

[maxQ]

Sorry about my last post, got distracted by the football before I proof read it.

It galls me as well, but it is not about morality, personal or otherwise, it is about power and the pursuit of power. Many women do not like the thought of prossies (as women in control of themselves) as it takes away the power of their strongest weapon ie the rationing of sexual favours. Without that they have very little to offer men, a lot of woman hated Katie Price for example when she was a page three girl, but when she became famous for sexually manipulating men, she was popular all of a sudden. Why is it as a page three girl she would not be considered to be a role model, but now she is.

feminists want men to beg women them for sex

the very idea that a man can have a no strings shag for money just fills them with horror

[maxQ]

However having been invited to feature in it I just can't believe people are willing to appear on TV for sweet FA. I bet Mr  Everett is making a few bob from it!

I don't think he is in it for the money

he is doing his best to be as honest about the whole thing as possible

and the fool from Dublin may be doing her cause more harm than good