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[Corus Boy]

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A city councillor has been given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to soliciting a prostitute.

Politician Chris Evans appeared at Newport Magistrates' Court after being found with a sex worker in his car last May.

He was caught after being recognised by a police officer who was chasing a wanted man through an Asda car park.

Evans has since lost his job as an advertising manager at South Wales Argus publisher Newsquest.

Rod Young, defending, told the court: "He did not go through with it and no money ever changed hands.

"He accepts a provision was made for an arrangement of sexual services.

"The officer recognised him. Had he not been a well-known face, he would not have been here today."

[Straightsix]

That's truly awful. Poor guy just wanted some relief. Terrible the way men are demonised. Strange how marriage on the other hand is acceptable.

[GingerNuts]

That's truly awful. Poor guy just wanted some relief. Terrible the way men are demonised. Strange how marriage on the other hand is acceptable.

He could have obtained his relief legally but he chose a different path.

[Murray Mint]

Well, by all accounts the fool was kerb crawling - which he must have known is illegal - so not a lot of sympathy really.

[pythondan]

So did the policeman abandon his pursuit of the wanted man to arrest this poor fool?

Seems pretty harsh tbh but he really should have arranged a meet via AW or here.

On a related topic could you be prosecuted for a car meet with an escort arranged via AW if the car was parked on a public road?

[daviemac]

On a related topic could you be prosecuted for a car meet with an escort arranged via AW if the car was parked on a public road?

Do you really need to ask if having sex in public is illegal.   

I sometimes despair . . . . .  .

[Straightsix]

He could have obtained his relief legally but he chose a different path.

Different path or preference? Was he expecting to be seen?

[pythondan]

Do you really need to ask if having sex in public is illegal.   

I sometimes despair . . . . .  .

Sorry I did not really ask the question I intended. Would the fact that the person you were having sex with is a prostitute affect whatever you would be charged with? You would not be kerb crawling so would it be the same offence as having sex with a girlfriend or wife?

I had a memorable car meet a few years ago with a girl near Stroud and, at the time, did not think about what I could be charged with hence my question.

[myothernameis]

So did the policeman abandon his pursuit of the wanted man to arrest this poor fool?

I would say, as the police officer was chasing this other male, he has recognized a street worker in someone car

[GingerNuts]

Different path or preference? Was he expecting to be seen?

Path or preference it was his choice to solicit a prostitute [in a street or public place]. Presumably he didn't expect to be seen but ran the risk he could be.

[daviemac]

Sorry I did not really ask the question I intended. Would the fact that the person you were having sex with is a prostitute affect whatever you would be charged with? You would not be kerb crawling so would it be the same offence as having sex with a girlfriend or wife?

I had a memorable car meet a few years ago with a girl near Stroud and, at the time, did not think about what I could be charged with hence my question.

You have answered your own question, you wouldn't have been curb crawling so you couldn't be charged with that but having sex in public is illegal and you would be charged wit that, who you are having sex with is irrelevant.

[paul_tall_]

Path or preference it was his choice to solicit a prostitute [in a street or public place]. Presumably he didn't expect to be seen but ran the risk he could be.

Probably was not the first time either; presumably knew the risk and I guess a kick out of the risk was too tempting.

[Straightsix]

Probably was not the first time either; presumably knew the risk and I guess a kick out of the risk was too tempting.

Exactly. Probably one of many ways he got his kicks along with anal boring 3 hookers every weekend and a kilo of coke but obviously that's something we'd never know. Good for him.

I wonder if he's a member here? 😆

[Steely Dan]

Law Lords have given the thumbs up to outdoor sex - as long as couples aren't trying to be seen.

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Maybe only Scotland. 

In England and Wales, THT says

What about the law?

There are legal implications to having sex in public. The Sexual Offences Act 2003 made changes to previous laws in England and Wales governing sexual behaviour.

Sexual activity in public toilets is still an offence but sex in other public places isn’t, unless it’s witnessed or there’s a reasonable chance at least two members of the public might see what’s happening. In this case you could be charged with outraging public decency.

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I bet we would get away with it legally.  But just being charged would be very annoying.  Our family and work place might find out. 

[Boristheboy]

So did the policeman abandon his pursuit of the wanted man to arrest this poor fool?

Imagine you are the cop giving chase, while the lithe suspect sprints ever further away from you. Suddenly you notice another probable crime in progress with the suspect contained within a parked car. You can continue puffing on after Usain Bolt, or you can lean on the car to get your breath back whilst still making an arrest. You can only choose one option. Which would you do?

[Straightsix]

It depends if you're losing the chase. He was obviously far too slow considering he was aware of his surroundings. At least he has a valid excuse for losing the race.

[daviemac]

Am I missing something? where does it say the officer stopped chasing the other suspect to deal with him.   

[Straightsix]

You're on the right track. There is actually a fair bit missing from the report and its certainly open to a piss take if not subjective interpretation. The intention of such news articles is to conjure up all sorts of negative thoughts considering how ambiguous it is.
He's a fellow punter like us. All he wanted was some horny fun and now he's lost everything. It doesn't really matter what actually happened or how we interpret it.

[sparkus]

"He did not go through with it and no money ever changed hands."

So a man was sat in his own car with a woman and nothing occurred, no public sex to speak of that I can see.  I don't see what grounds there were for an arrest and conviction here but as someone said the news report leaves a lot out and is a bit all over the place.

On that basis I don't see why his employer had grounds to fire him either, does a conviction for soliciting have any bearing on ability to do your job or conduct at work?

Who is the "victim" for the Victim Surcharge?

The headline on this thread is a bit misleading too, I thought it meant UKP was in the news again.

[GingerNuts]

"He did not go through with it and no money ever changed hands."

So a man was sat in his own car with a woman and nothing occurred, no public sex to speak of that I can see.  I don't see what grounds there were for an arrest and conviction here but as someone said the news report leaves a lot out and is a bit all over the place.

However it came about he pleaded guilty.

On that basis I don't see why his employer had grounds to fire him either, does a conviction for soliciting have any bearing on ability to do your job or conduct at work?

He could be dismissed for bringing the company into disrepute. 

Who is the "victim" for the Victim Surcharge?

The victim surcharge is a penalty applied to people convicted of offences in order to provide compensation for the victims of crime. It is not paid directly to the criminal's victim, but is pooled and distributed through the Victim and Witness General Fund.

[daviemac]

"He did not go through with it and no money ever changed hands."

So a man was sat in his own car with a woman and nothing occurred, no public sex to speak of that I can see.  I don't see what grounds there were for an arrest and conviction here but as someone said the news report leaves a lot out and is a bit all over the place.

On that basis I don't see why his employer had grounds to fire him either, does a conviction for soliciting have any bearing on ability to do your job or conduct at work?

Who is the "victim" for the Victim Surcharge?

The headline on this thread is a bit misleading too, I thought it meant UKP was in the news again.

He was soliciting in public so was charged with soliciting in public. The offence has nothing to do with whether or not money changes hands.

I'm quite sure someone in his position would have sought legal advice and acted accordingly.

[sparkus]

However it came about he pleaded guilty.

He could be dismissed for bringing the company into disrepute. 

The victim surcharge is a penalty applied to people convicted of offences in order to provide compensation for the victims of crime. It is not paid directly to the criminal's victim, but is pooled and distributed through the Victim and Witness General Fund.

In fairness his former employer was one of the first newspaper groups to ban brothel ads in its classifieds.

[magnetico]

Who is the "victim" for the Victim Surcharge?

The fine is given to the Victims and Witnesses General Fund, not to the victims of the crimes.


From Chris Evans' solicitor : <<“He lost his job around two months ago and is claiming Universal Credit.>>
Quite a sad story.

[sparkus]

From Chris Evans' solicitor : <<“He lost his job around two months ago and is claiming Universal Credit.>>
Quite a sad story.

Very much so.  There but for the grace of the punting gods etc.
Though initially I read this as the Chris Evans was on UC and was

If you deconstruct all the parts though, what was he thinking?

- street hooker
- position in public life
- work for the media

It's not exactly Hugh Grant.

[sparkus]

On the other hand, bankroll someone you've met on Adultwank and not only pass Go and collect £200 but rack up more jobs:

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[magnetico]

On the other hand, bankroll someone you've met on Adultwank and not only pass Go and collect £200 but rack up more jobs:

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Both busted, one got fired from his media job and his councillor job, and now on Universal Credit,
the other became chairman of Network Rail 

[senordingdongs]

Both busted, one got fired from his media job and his councillor job, and now on Universal Credit,
the other became chairman of Network Rail 

Not sure who should be asking for a refund him or her

I mean in my backward area of the UK this bloke would have be hung out to dry by the local rags for a week. Personally if he makes the trains run on time then who he shags from 18-80 is none of mine or the general publics business.

[JPin]

Not sure where to post this, but I guess this thread works...?

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[lillythesavage]

Not sure where to post this, but I guess this thread works...?

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Deserves a new thread 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Deserves a new thread 

Indeed!, I wonder how they are laid out?, side by side or fore and aft?....

[Marmalade]

It’s often to do with the approach taken by the local swat-a-prossie boys-in-blue. Naming and shaming has been encouraged by some authorities as an effective way of ‘reducing demand’. Ethnic communities. Neighbourhood watch. Ban the brothels brigades.

[Corus Boy]

Newport councillor who solicited prostitute to donate wages.

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[Straightsix]

Newport councillor who solicited prostitute to donate wages.

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What an idiot. He should tell everyone to go fuck themselves and that the oral sex he received was very satisfying.

[Marmalade]

What an idiot. He should tell everyone to go fuck themselves and that the oral sex he received was very satisfying.

Assuming he doesn’t want to get re-elected. 

[sparkus]

Newport councillor who solicited prostitute to donate wages.

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False headline - councillors aren't employees and don't receive 'wages'.  You wouldn't say Boris pockets £150K a year in wages.

[GingerNuts]

False headline - councillors aren't employees and don't receive 'wages'.  You wouldn't say Boris pockets £150K a year in wages.

Boris receives a salary, local councillors receive an allowance.

[sparkus]

Boris receives a salary, local councillors receive an allowance.

Exactly that, neither receive 'wages' as they're not paid weekly or in a 'pay packet'.

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