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TheRuiner

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An earlier topic reminded me of the infamous Hugh Grant/Divine Brown debacle and the huge press attention it received. I remember thinking at the time that there was no way his career could survive..at worst he'd be vilified and loathed by the general public, at best he'd never be taken seriously again. But his career survived. He's ribbed occasionally but that's pretty much it.
Angus Deayton on the other hand, lost everything. Jamie Theakston never managed to get his career back on track either.
Why is this?
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 08:53:10 pm by TheRuiner »

Allfun

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I guess a difference is that the Angus Deayton case involved drugs as well whereas I'm not aware of them being involved in the Hugh Grant case.


Offline Jonestown

Frank Bough tv presenter, cocaine & bdsm, never got back.

James Cordan, massage , alas he did get back

Col Ronnie fergason, just shrugged it off.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 09:05:26 pm by Jonestown »

TheRuiner

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Good point re the drugs involved with Angus Deayton. I sensed much schadenfreude from his BBC peers too.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 09:06:32 pm by TheRuiner »

TheRuiner

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I know Sting was spotted entering/leaving a brothel a few years back which didn't receive as much coverage as I'd have expected given the whole tantric association.
He was in there an amusingly short time though...8 hour tantric shaggathons my arse!  :lol:

Offline howrude

I guess a difference is that the Angus Deayton case involved drugs as well whereas I'm not aware of them being involved in the Hugh Grant case.
I believe one the first episode of Have I Got News For You after Angus Deayton's scandal came to light featured Christine Hamilton. And he apparently introduced her as "the wife of the disgraced MP Neil", "If he's disgraced, then what are you?". He was no longer able to present a show of such nature.

Perhaps Jamie Theakston's career would have wound down the same anyway.

Offline Malvolio

Depends what the famous person does.  I think people are used to musicians and actors behaving pretty badly and give them a lot more leeway - Charlie Sheen being a case in point.

Wayne Rooney shagged a granny prostitue when he was a teenager - apart from chants from opposing fans it didn't hinder him at all.

Sureshot

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John Leslie's career went into train wreck after his coke and hooker expose.
Personally i think sex and drugs could have been an interesting new angle for Blue Peter

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TheRuiner

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Certainly seems like drugs, specifically cocaine, play a huge part in whether those involved are viewed as a "naughty boy" or all out cunt. Probably to do with the harsher angle the press tend to take when drugs are involved.

I'd forgotten about John Lesley. Unfotunatley for him the Ulrika Jonssen accusations rendered him a marked man in terms of press intrusion and they dug until they found something juicy.
Destroyed his career but look what it did for his then girlfriend, Abi Titmuss? A plump, dowdy nurse became revered as some sort of sex goddess from that day forward. Built a "career" out of it.  Never saw the attraction personally but horses for courses.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2017, 08:57:45 am by TheRuiner »

Offline smiths

Frank Bough tv presenter, cocaine & bdsm, never got back.

James Cordan, massage , alas he did get back

Col Ronnie fergason, just shrugged it off.

Bough did get some work after the first expose, when he get exposed again that was it. All about image in his case, he was cuddly Uncle Frank until it all came out.

Offline smiths

Depends what the famous person does.  I think people are used to musicians and actors behaving pretty badly and give them a lot more leeway - Charlie Sheen being a case in point.

Wayne Rooney shagged a granny prostitue when he was a teenager - apart from chants from opposing fans it didn't hinder him at all.

Absolutely right, its all about the image the exposed person has been portraying beforehand whether they have purposely portrayed it or it was manufactured by their employer/agent and/or what they do.

So Richard Bacon who I think is a good presenter got fucked over by a so called mate when on Blue Peter and as its a kids programme he rightly had to go, but that affected his career a lot afterwards, which I don't think is fair but being fair plays no part in the rags wanting to sell papers of course.

Offline Sir Lance-a-lot

Didn't affect Russell Brand at all, but he admitted it, he wasn't "found out".

A moderately well-known British actor got a superinjunction, so officially nothing happened.

Offline smiths

Profumo

Once it came out he had lied in Parliament and did share a WG with a Russian Attache, believed to be a spy he had no way of surviving, his party did cover it up initially but once it got out to the public it was curtains.

Offline happy as larry

And who can forget Ronnie Corbett and his midget 3 some  :wackogirl:

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Offline Walsalllad15

Gerald Sinstadt from BBC sport got caught wanking in a porn cibema

fredpunter

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Gerald Sinstadt from BBC sport got caught wanking in a porn cibema

Is there any other reason to go to one?


Offline sparkus

Mark Oaten, though that was a rent boy...

Offline Blackpool Rock

Bough did get some work after the first expose, when he get exposed again that was it. All about image in his case, he was cuddly Uncle Frank until it all came out.
Seem to recall Vic Reeves & Bob Mortimer ripping the piss out of him on shooting stars, I mean what the fuck was he thinking when he signed up for that gig  :crazy:

Offline Jonestown

Seem to recall Vic Reeves & Bob Mortimer ripping the piss out of him on shooting stars, I mean what the fuck was he thinking when he signed up for that gig  :crazy:

The much needed pay cheque probably.

Offline Gordon Bennett

Doesn't a lot depend on if they work for BBC and are thus paid by us license payers? Also, a connection to wholesome or kids TV won't look good for them. Conversely, a hip hop star can probably make it a career out of being a known shagger and pot head or whatever.

Offline Solidrock

Alan Turing v George Michael

Both got caught with a rent boy in a public toilet.

One helped save millions of lives in the 2nd world war, the other wrote "club Tropicana drinks are free fun and sunshine there's enough for everyone". One got chemically castrated and committed suicide, the other made millions building a second career around it.

Different times.

Offline two20

An intersting question which I guess boils down to how much the public like you. Obviously the best policy is to not get caught in the first place.

Offline smiths

Seem to recall Vic Reeves & Bob Mortimer ripping the piss out of him on shooting stars, I mean what the fuck was he thinking when he signed up for that gig  :crazy:

Probably desperate for cash by then, to spend on the WGs obviously. ;)

Offline smiths

Alan Turing v George Michael

Both got caught with a rent boy in a public toilet.

One helped save millions of lives in the 2nd world war, the other wrote "club Tropicana drinks are free fun and sunshine there's enough for everyone". One got chemically castrated and committed suicide, the other made millions building a second career around it.

Different times.

Indeed so, in that regard fortunately as I see it we have moved on here since then. Turing is a great Briton in my book.

Offline Paris69

Is there any other reason to go to one?

The Popcorn is good! Or was that the Cockporn?   :D
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Offline peter purves

An earlier topic reminded me of the infamous Hugh Grant/Divine Brown debacle and the huge press attention it received. I remember thinking at the time that there was no way his career could survive..at worst he'd be vilified and loathed by the general public, at best he'd never be taken seriously again. But his career survived. He's ribbed occasionally but that's pretty much it.
Angus Deayton on the other hand, lost everything. Jamie Theakston never managed to get his career back on track either.
Why is this?

I cannot think of a celebrity whose careers/lifestyle has been 'destroyed' by the media outing visits to prostitutes.
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Offline Sparta Prada

The interesting one for me in recent times is the British male actor who slept with Helen Wood. I haven't named him as he took out a super injunction but I'm sure most of us know who he is, but it certainly doesn't appear to have harmed his career.

Online berksboy

Frank Bough tv presenter, cocaine & bdsm, never got back.

James Cordan, massage , alas he did get back

Col Ronnie fergason, just shrugged it off.

Ferguson was a Major (honorary) after serving in the Life Guards .

Offline Don Quixote

Keith Vaz!
That guy has more lives than a cat. He appears totally bullet-proof.

5th Musketeer

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Over in the US there's Donald Trump.

Offline Home Alone

Over in the US there's Donald Trump.

Allegedly  [But only 'cos I wouldn't want his legal eagles on ur case, 5th! ;) ]

Offline rockstar

Certainly seems like drugs, specifically cocaine, play a huge part in whether those involved are viewed as a "naughty boy" or all out cunt. Probably to do with the harsher angle the press tend to take when drugs are involved.

I'd forgotten about John Lesley. Unfotunatley for him the Ulrika Jonssen accusations rendered him a marked man in terms of press intrusion and they dug until they found something juicy.
Destroyed his career but look what it did for his then girlfriend, Abi Titmuss? A plump, dowdy nurse became revered as some sort of sex goddess from that day forward. Built a "career" out of it.  Never saw the attraction personally but horses for courses.

I seriously fancied Abi Titmuss after that video was released :)

Offline Blackpool Rock

I seriously fancied Abi Titmuss after that video was released :)
Yeah she was hot but still had a bit of girl next door look about her combined with a dark horse / dirty glint in her eye.
There was a girl called Eve at Preston VIP who looked just like her, fond memories of filling her mouth and I once gave her a mega facial  :music:

Offline Jumping Jack Flash

I think the damage that the expose causes depends on what else is going on at the time. On slow news days the unmasking of some minor celeb in a hookers and sex scandal is milked. On days when there's more serious news to report the expose becomes less important.


Offline petergriffin

Wayne Rooney won lets shag the ugliest and oldest bird at the parlour dare

200k a week says he did ok out of it

Offline sparkus

Wayne Rooney won lets shag the ugliest and oldest bird at the parlour dare

That's his story and he's sticking to it.

Offline joe diddley

Wasn't Avram Grant caught out getting 'sensual massages' at one point? Peter Cook also had a taste, I seem to remember, for FBSM, specifically with Thai girls.

5th Musketeer

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Allegedly  [But only 'cos I wouldn't want his legal eagles on ur case, 5th! ;) ]
Actually HA - I believe that it's fairly well known that he was with a lot of "high class" girls before he met and married Ivana.  His appearances way back on Howard Stern's radio show basically confirm what he was doing.  And, of course, his comment about "his" Vietnam experience being able to avoid catching STDs leaves no one in any doubt about what he was doing.  Cheers   :drinks:

YidArmy

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Wasn't Avram Grant caught out getting 'sensual massages' at one point? Peter Cook also had a taste, I seem to remember, for FBSM, specifically with Thai girls.

Cook liked the odd sex party as well allegedly. Would have been hilarious to be shagging and have him next to you doing his Derek and Clive bit.

There's a few football manager stories we can't go into but Avram isn't the only one that's been a bit naughty... ;)

Offline mrdiamond77

Was David Pleat not caught with prostitutes years ago?

Offline Tompunt1

I think the world of film is more forgiving than TV, after all probably half of the producers/directors/stars and writers in Hollywood are at it themselvses, along with copious ammounts of coke. What shocked me about Hugh Grant was that here's a man who could have shagged some of the most beautiful women in the world, and he chose Divine Brown???? What was he thinking?

Of course there's always Pee Wee Herman, who wasn't with a WG but wanking in a sex cinema and that ended his career. He probably should have been with a WG, then he would have been forgiven.

Jay-Jay

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Avram Grant's saving grace was that his missus went public in supporting him saying so fucking what....blokes will do that when they're away from home and horny, so what ? That makes it a non- story. She's supposed to stand on the doorstep badmouthing him so the press can wank themselves into a frenzy on the readers behalf. Good for her!

Jay

Offline dubs

It's incredible to think that max Mosley survived his nazi themed bsdm party considering his position and the massive investment from German manufacturers in motorsport

Offline petergriffin

Surely one of the biggest deviants was Italian prime minister Silvino Berlusconi.

He was alleged to be involved with human trafficking of Moroccan children for sexual exploitation
He also hosted parties with high class hookers on expenses and was said to have a relationship with a teenage girl
A proper deviant who paid for his crimes with prison

Offline smiths

Surely one of the biggest deviants was Italian prime minister Silvino Berlusconi.

He was alleged to be involved with human trafficking of Moroccan children for sexual exploitation
He also hosted parties with high class hookers on expenses and was said to have a relationship with a teenage girl
A proper deviant who paid for his crimes with prison

I don't think he actually went to prison, he did community service as he was over 70 instead.

Offline fed24

I think the world of film is more forgiving than TV, after all probably half of the producers/directors/stars and writers in Hollywood are at it themselvses, along with copious ammounts of coke. What shocked me about Hugh Grant was that here's a man who could have shagged some of the most beautiful women in the world, and he chose Divine Brown???? What was he thinking?

Of course there's always Pee Wee Herman, who wasn't with a WG but wanking in a sex cinema and that ended his career. He probably should have been with a WG, then he would have been forgiven.

OK I will bite!

The thing about Hugh Grant at the time is whilst you are right he could have shagged some of the beautiful woman in the world sometimes some no strings bit of rough is a nice escape!

At the time he was dating Liz Hurley one of the most attractive film actresses around at the time, he could go to any party and no doubt have all sorts of highly attractive young woman throw themselves at him and I am sure they were but lets consider things a bit.

1) Big celebrity relationships tend to be out of convenience for both parties, when he started dating Hurley in 94 he was the bigger star. It was convenient to her career development wise and no doubt having her on his arm on celebrity carpets did him no harm
2) Catch is I bet she wasn't putting out as much as we fantasy about, she probably preferred the pool boy and Hugh was probably wasn't getting the marathon orgies with her that you might think
3) His life was under a paparazzi magnifying glass, all those highly attractive woman throwing themselves at him come at a price
4) So an on the spur of the moment blowjob from a bit of rough back street hooker is probably a bit of a release and thrill for a man in that situation

Unfortunately he got collared and the rest is history!


Offline CityTillIDie

Was David Pleat not caught with prostitutes years ago?

Yes, the joke went:

There's a load of prostitutes on a street corner, which one is the Spurs fan?
She's the one with the Pleat in her skirt!

 :hi:

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