Predicting quality of service? (aka Rules for Walking Out?)

[JayEZ2K]

When testing an unreviewed girl, are there any useful tips and tricks for predicting the quality of service? For example, I read about a punter in Amsterdam who would always converse with the girl first, and if the girl had a friendly conversation then he always had a good punt. Ultimately it comes down to skillfully picking up on cues, and the more you can interact with them, the more cues there are to pick up on. But we are generally limited on time to 30 seconds at most.

So do you have any tips or tricks for predicting quality of service? Likewise, do you have any rules for when to walk?



This is a general breakdown of girls' attitudes I've noticed before paying and during the punt:

Before paying... during punt
Shitty mood... shitty service?
Cold mood... shit service? Or will warm up?
Rushed mood... will always provide a rushed service?
Warm and friendly... warm and friendly service? Or bad service after paying?
Asking outright, face to face about service... sometimes they are honest, sometimes they lie and provide shite service anyways

[maxxblue]

Rushed mood... will always provide a rushed service?

What's a 'rushed mood'? 

[lewisjones23]

with an unknown girl the quality of comms is the first clue

can get a feel then of how it is going to go - quite often I’ll just pull the plug there and then if things seem a bit off

[JayEZ2K]

What's a 'rushed mood'? 

This one from my experience is more from the RLD windows where the girl is in a rush to get you come in and pay. There's a rushed eagerness that translates into the punt, with them rushing you with "come on baby, cum" within three minutes so they can get you out and bring in the next customer. I don't know if it happens with AW bookings, but I included it for thoroughness.

[JayEZ2K]

with an unknown girl the quality of comms is the first clue

can get a feel then of how it is going to go - quite often I’ll just pull the plug there and then if things seem a bit off

Thanks, I overlooked that early of an interaction. Unfortunately, I think most of my comms are with "Sergei" so it's probably no clue to the actual girl.

[BP]

I find I can spot a Romulan just by looking at their pic nowadays
A cursory glance at how the advert is penned usually has me out of there within seconds.

[JayEZ2K]

Posting this here as it is very relevant to the topic, and something I need to force myself to do: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?msg=2015455

...a little gimmick that has improved my punting:  the 60 second 4S test. 

On arrival, before you hand over the cash, you start with a general conversation (how you are, how the SP is, what kind of a day it is) leading on to a polite outline of the services and fees you confirmed.

The content of the conversation about services is material toward arriving at yes/no answers to the following four questions.

Sexy?
Smells good? (Room/bed/girl)
Services as confirmed?
Smiles?

As a rule WALK if you get any no answers.  I have some flexibility for services and will ask a SP to mouth wash if everything else seems in order.  I walk on about 10% of punts and negotiate details on maybe 20%. 

The really big impact is that this, backed up by more time and more research has increased my hit rate markedly. I have started seeing new (to me) SP’s more often. Some of the SP’s I have seen historically I probably wouldn’t bother with now because the benchmark is higher. This has driven the quality up and reduced costs.  This effect has been so dramatic I have lost my bearing on where the market is.  I cannot tell how much the improvement is due to my test and how much it is a very competitive market for SP’s at the moment.

[mrhappypants]

Jay, thanks for referencing me.  You may also be interested in this thread https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=196008.new#new which tests a red flag warning sign against the board’s collective experience.

[magnetico]

£20 Kiss Test 

[peter purves]

When testing an unreviewed girl, are there any useful tips and tricks for predicting the quality of service? For example, I read about a punter in Amsterdam who would always converse with the girl first, and if the girl had a friendly conversation then he always had a good punt. Ultimately it comes down to skillfully picking up on cues, and the more you can interact with them, the more cues there are to pick up on. But we are generally limited on time to 30 seconds at most.

So do you have any tips or tricks for predicting quality of service? Likewise, do you have any rules for when to walk?



This is a general breakdown of girls' attitudes I've noticed before paying and during the punt:

Before paying... during punt
Shitty mood... shitty service?
Cold mood... shit service? Or will warm up?
Rushed mood... will always provide a rushed service?
Warm and friendly... warm and friendly service? Or bad service after paying?
Asking outright, face to face about service... sometimes they are honest, sometimes they lie and provide shite service anyways

I remember in a flat one WG 'refused' to shake my hand and that turned out to be a 

So I guess that can be a sign The Hand of the 

[Helloyou75001]

In a shared flat or brothel, if you get a bad experience room one of them, your likely to have the same bad one with the others

[LLPunting]

In a shared flat or brothel, if you get a bad experience room one of them, your likely to have the same bad one with the others

Only more likely if they travel as a crew. 
Places that recruit new girls individually can serve up some keepers

[Helloyou75001]

Yeah you may be lucky with a keeper. But the girls while waiting shares comments and tips as well as their experience.

Most of the time the experiences I had were very similar in a same property.

[PatMacGroin]

This is probably an obvious one, but it is a reliable indicator:

If you find the profile and send a booking on AW. But the WG refuses to accept the booking in advance, saying she'll only confirm after you've met. If the little brain overrules the big brain and you go ahead with the booking, then invariably it's shit.

If she does that, and you get bad vibes from the pre payment conversation then it's definitely time to walk.

There are some rare exceptions to this. Some of the most popular girls refuse to confirm the bookings via AW until afterwards, especially for the first visit. This is because they can receive booking requests from someone that just wants to post a damaging feedback trying to ruin business for them (usually a rival or the odd nutjob). In those cases they usually have enough of a reputation here on UKP that you can feel confident ignoring it as a usual warning flag. Platinum Cindy is one well known WG that does this.

[Jimmyredcab]

with an unknown girl the quality of comms is the first clue

can get a feel then of how it is going to go - quite often I’ll just pull the plug there and then if things seem a bit off

Good advice.   

If a girl only wants contact by text then abort the mission ——- see my last review, the worst punt of my life.

[nten]

A while back I booked time with a girl from AW who had great pics on her profile. When I got there the girl who opened the door wasn't the girl but in my naivete I thought that she might be some sort of maid. Nope, this was the girl. I'd not been punting long so paid and stayed. Now I'll walk if the place smells of fags.

[JonasG]

You can tell by their telephone manner most of the time.

If they sound cold and quite abrupt, I usually say I've changed my mind.

[LLPunting]

Good advice.   

If a girl only wants contact by text then abort the mission ——- see my last review, the worst punt of my life.

Contact by text only isn't a stopper for me, I've not found this to be a reliable determinant of the experience had with the girls you subsequently meet.
Quality of comms is only useful as an indicator if you know you're talking to the actual SP.  Sure some management consistently hire crap SPs but these operations can typically be sussed out by a number of consistent characteristics they exhibit from one ad/profile/appearance to another.  (I won't detail here as don't want to help them be sneakier.)

[LLPunting]

You can tell by their telephone manner most of the time.

If they sound cold and quite abrupt, I usually say I've changed my mind.

Only useful if you know you're talking to the actual SP or a recognisable management with a known track record (good or bad, and only relevant if they haven't changed receptionist).  Some operations have good receptionists who can charm you but the SPs are crap (e.g. the sexy young women found operating out of Wimbledon/Putney), some have crap receptionists but good SPs (e.g. CurlyBeauty and UniqueMonica).

[JayEZ2K]

Jay, thanks for referencing me.

Thank you for developing a systematic approach to this. I've used it well a few times, but often times I completely forget due to anxiety and distraction when seeing the girl. I have to keep working at it, and hopefully this will become automatic every time.


I also need some better questions since I mostly do vanilla, partly to gauge the answers but also importantly to gauge their attitude. From my experience, rushing to start the session is a bad sign, as is the girl getting irritated before the session. Conversely, girls who are relaxed and don't rush to start the session have provided good service.

Maybe some vanilla questions to ask:
* Do you rush me to cum, or can I use my full time?
* Do you kick me out after I cum, or do I get the full time?
* Can I cum inside the condom inside your pussy? (There's been a few times where the girl didn't allow this, with no previous warning)

I remember in a flat one WG 'refused' to shake my hand and that turned out to be a 

So a handshake test could be the 5th S, "Shake". Although I'm pretty sure some of the poor SPs initiate the hand shake at the beginning, refusal to shake hands seems like a reasonable indicator for poor service. Better than the handshake were the few occasions the girl has given me a hug and cheek kiss before the session even started, and those were all very good sessions. But that was initiated by the girl. I could try, but that might be pushing it. So I'll try the handshake to start.

[JayEZ2K]

You may also be interested in this thread https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=196008.new#new which tests a red flag warning sign against the board’s collective experience.

Since you were collecting data on these methods, maybe a great way to test it is to revisit a poor service WG after a couple months, after she's forgotten you. Then try the test on her with complete intentions to walk, and simply to test the method and score her response. Actually, I think I will definitely do this at some of the walkups. It will be a good way to practice, collect data, and also get a little payback to walkout on them.

[Marmalade]

I quite like the foreign etiquette where they line ‘em up or send them in one by one. It’s a chance to see if they have a warm, soft friendly touch when you shake the hand or kiss ‘em on the cheek. If it feels like they’re trying not to miss a bus, let ‘em go. 

[PatMacGroin]

Thank you for developing a systematic approach to this. I've used it well a few times, but often times I completely forget due to anxiety and distraction when seeing the girl. I have to keep working at it, and hopefully this will become automatic every time.


I also need some better questions since I mostly do vanilla, partly to gauge the answers but also importantly to gauge their attitude. From my experience, rushing to start the session is a bad sign, as is the girl getting irritated before the session. Conversely, girls who are relaxed and don't rush to start the session have provided good service.

Maybe some vanilla questions to ask:
* Do you rush me to cum, or can I use my full time?
* Do you kick me out after I cum, or do I get the full time?
* Can I cum inside the condom inside your pussy? (There's been a few times where the girl didn't allow this, with no previous warning)

So a handshake test could be the 5th S, "Shake". Although I'm pretty sure some of the poor SPs initiate the hand shake at the beginning, refusal to shake hands seems like a reasonable indicator for poor service. Better than the handshake were the few occasions the girl has given me a hug and cheek kiss before the session even started, and those were all very good sessions. But that was initiated by the girl. I could try, but that might be pushing it. So I'll try the handshake to start.

What? I've never been refused that, it's the bare minimum service I'd expect from protected penetration!

[JayEZ2K]

In a shared flat or brothel, if you get a bad experience room one of them, your likely to have the same bad one with the others

That seems to be true of the traveling groups as well, and girls with any type of group connection. So that would be good advice at the very earliest stages of planning a punt.

This is probably an obvious one, but it is a reliable indicator... the WG refuses to accept the booking in advance, saying she'll only confirm after you've met... If she does that, and you get bad vibes from the pre payment conversation then it's definitely time to walk.

Thanks for these comments. It makes me realize that a punt is broken into several phases, from initial searches and research, to comms/booking, to the greeting, and finally to the punt itself. Although we all make use of it intuitively, it's helpful to think about the different types of red flags can appear during specific phases of the process. I recall the research stage being outlined in detail in the punting wiki: External Link/Members Only

[Ali Katt]

Thank you for developing a systematic approach to this. I've used it well a few times, but often times I completely forget due to anxiety and distraction when seeing the girl. I have to keep working at it, and hopefully this will become automatic every time.


I also need some better questions since I mostly do vanilla, partly to gauge the answers but also importantly to gauge their attitude. From my experience, rushing to start the session is a bad sign, as is the girl getting irritated before the session. Conversely, girls who are relaxed and don't rush to start the session have provided good service.

Maybe some vanilla questions to ask:
* Do you rush me to cum, or can I use my full time?
* Do you kick me out after I cum, or do I get the full time?
* Can I cum inside the condom inside your pussy? (There's been a few times where the girl didn't allow this, with no previous warning)

So a handshake test could be the 5th S, "Shake". Although I'm pretty sure some of the poor SPs initiate the hand shake at the beginning, refusal to shake hands seems like a reasonable indicator for poor service. Better than the handshake were the few occasions the girl has given me a hug and cheek kiss before the session even started, and those were all very good sessions. But that was initiated by the girl. I could try, but that might be pushing it. So I'll try the handshake to start.

You're overthinking it with an almost autistic approach, not meaning to sound harsh, but my advice will help you in the long run. Think about this scenario; you open the door and the prossie asks you:
* Do you cum quick? - I need to plan my schedule.
* Are you a barebacker? - I've had some bad experience.
* My time is precious. Are you going to try to talk a lot to make us run overtime?

Sounds awful doesn't it? Sounds worse than a business Zoom meeting. Here's what you do trust your gut instinct and learn to trust yourself, it will never steer wrong, the only time you will go wrong is if you don't listen to it because you want to see what happens. You subconsciously pick-up on signs: is the door window of her place smashed? Does her room smell of weed (not necessarily a bad punt, but I don't like weed heads so I would walk), Does she look drunk or on drugs? Are her pictures fake - is she uglier than you expected? Does she speak no English? If she does, is she uncommunicative or distant? Is she negative, does she start complaining about you, other punters or rival escort (once again might not be a bad experience, but it shows she is insecure), Is she more than 10 minutes late? Are there punters queuing up?

Ultimately there is never a guarantee of good service even with tried and tested erection testers. All you can do is be nice and if they are taking the piss walk. I've read your reviews and the reason so many seem to be negative is you seeing a large number of Thai that are known for B&S, the other are here today, gone tomorrow Romanians; you know what you like, but maybe see someone with a lot of positive reviews next time, I think you are doing something right and enjoying, but you are just coming unstuck.

[JayEZ2K]

You're overthinking it with an almost autistic approach, not meaning to sound harsh, but my advice will help you in the long run...

I might actually be borderline autistic    Things that come naturally to you are difficult for me, especially if I get anxious and distracted by the girl. So that's why a systematic approach can be very useful, and eventually it would become second nature. My ratio is 10 negatives/34 punts, or about 1/3 or 30%. I think that I can reasonably reduce that to 10% by picking up on the obvious clues.

The actual list were just ideas since I don't know what I would actually confirm, since I just do vanilla most of the time. At this point I mentally verify that the girl is sexy, and that she matches her photos. (one time I was so distracted that I didn't notice that she was entirely different than the photos, a blatant B&S.) If there are specific services I want, I confirm. But most the time there is nothing I can think of to confirm, other than her not being rude with shitty service.

I appreciate the advice. Yes, I do feel a lot of negative emotions after a bad punt, depressed, unattractive to women, etc. But after writing a negative review it helps me blow off steam and move on. I don't dwell on any of my bad punts. And I actually had a great punt with a reputable WG yesterday (review later), which made me completely forget the bad punt just one day prior. Hopefully with practice there will be more positives and less negatives.

[Jerry Standing]

Two reasons to make me walk-
1. She looks as if she doesn't want to be there and/or up for the activities.
2. She looks nothing like the profile...whether is a B&S or historic photos
Has worked for me
JS

[munterhunter]

For a first time punt I usually want to have a quick chat with the wg so quality of pre punt coms is high on my list.
Wgen I get there she needs to be the girl in the profile pics I don't do bait and switch. I will have indicated by text what services I want and will confirm that's ok before handing over the cash. Finally on a first punt I usually go for a 30 minute booking so if it does turn to ratshit I haven't wasted too much money or time.

[Jerry Standing]

Yep, would agree with the 30 min timeframe for first punt.
Have increased to an hour if going that well....

[mrhappypants]

Thank you for developing a systematic approach to this. I've used it well a few times, but often times I completely forget due to anxiety and distraction when seeing the girl. I have to keep working at it, and hopefully this will become automatic every time.

Agreed.  Actually it is worth bearing in mind even for follow up visits.  If I had been disciplined I might have walked on a few more marginal punts, yesterday's neutral for example where she did not pass the Sexy but I was confident about service and too horny to walk.

I also need some better questions since I mostly do vanilla, partly to gauge the answers but also importantly to gauge their attitude.

This is key.  The discipline is to be sufficiently chilled when you actually get in the room to be able to read and interpret what you are getting from the girl and the implications for the punt.

Maybe some vanilla questions to ask:
* Do you rush me to cum, or can I use my full time?
* Do you kick me out after I cum, or do I get the full time?

In my experience you will never get straight answers to questions about how girls manage time.  Don't forget, every girl will have experience of the punter who wants to fuck them solidly for the entire booking.  I am still trying to figure this one out but I think if you get 45 minutes of action in an hour booking you are doing well.  Only Ellie Rose gives 60 in 60 which is just one of the reasons she is outstanding. 

* Can I cum inside the condom inside your pussy? (There's been a few times where the girl didn't allow this, with no previous warning)

  I would put this question in a text marked *please confirm*  specifying "enjoys", time and total cost as final confirmation of the booking.  I must admit I am surprised as I have never had this refused.

[mrhappypants]

Some more warning signs (for discussion).

1) Any profile more than a month old with zero genuine AW reviews.  Whatever their value (or lack of it) to punters, AW reviews are a valuable marketing tool for SP's.   Any who are not collecting reviews are doing so for a reason...

2) Any provider (pimp) who texts the postcode immediately after receiving an unconnected call.  Just had this with
/www.adultwork.com/4487161 or External Link/Members Only and experience says that this is a real warning sign of a low quality pimped operation (no girl would do this herself), bait and switch (because if encourages first come first served) and a crew where the pimp/maid is not vetting punters at all.

3)  Wet hair.  I have never decent punt with a girl with wet hair.  It reeks of lack of preparation and professionalism. 

3) A pancake mask of foundation make up.  This is an absolute guarantee of  a shit punt in my experience.

[Ali Katt]

I might actually be borderline autistic    Things that come naturally to you are difficult for me, especially if I get anxious and distracted by the girl. So that's why a systematic approach can be very useful, and eventually it would become second nature. My ratio is 10 negatives/34 punts, or about 1/3 or 30%. I think that I can reasonably reduce that to 10% by picking up on the obvious clues.

The actual list were just ideas since I don't know what I would actually confirm, since I just do vanilla most of the time. At this point I mentally verify that the girl is sexy, and that she matches her photos. (one time I was so distracted that I didn't notice that she was entirely different than the photos, a blatant B&S.) If there are specific services I want, I confirm. But most the time there is nothing I can think of to confirm, other than her not being rude with shitty service.

I appreciate the advice. Yes, I do feel a lot of negative emotions after a bad punt, depressed, unattractive to women, etc. But after writing a negative review it helps me blow off steam and move on. I don't dwell on any of my bad punts. And I actually had a great punt with a reputable WG yesterday (review later), which made me completely forget the bad punt just one day prior. Hopefully with practice there will be more positives and less negatives.

Thanks for the reply and your honesty. I don't know, but I think basically reading a list of rules as soon as you enter sounds like it would alienate the girl, it's a personal thing for me in that I like to have sex to flow as naturally as possible without basically giving out commands and that's both ways, if I hear the "10 commandments" I will probably walk.

30% negative doesn't sound bad to me. I think most punters are looking for a vanilla GFE type experience albeit one that is exciting and sexually stimulating. If it helps I have a similar ratio on reviews, one punt didn't take place, but I wrote a negative as I literally wasted a day waiting around, one was a parlour punt which was borderline - in other words there is no way to avoid a bad punt in the same way it's impossible not to lose money from gambling, we simply try to minimise the chances of a loss. To me though it sounds like you are putting more emphasis on the services rather than actually choosing a woman you have compatibility with; I used to do this now as long as I do roughly what want services wise and have a good laugh I am generally satisfied.

[Wristspinner]

I find I can spot a Romulan just by looking at their pic nowadays
A cursory glance at how the advert is penned usually has me out of there within seconds.

I can spot Vulcan and Klingon too, maybe Andorian, Cardasian and Bajoran.

[PatMacGroin]

Two reasons to make me walk-
1. She looks as if she doesn't want to be there and/or up for the activities.
2. She looks nothing like the profile...whether is a B&S or historic photos
Has worked for me
JS

Ok I'll bite. Two days and not had the usual reply of "so how about a review then"?

Only been a member a couple of months, but apparently punting for over 40 years so must have something to share.

[LLPunting]

I can spot Vulcan and Klingon too, maybe Andorian, Cardasian and Bajoran.

Nice one.  How about Ferenghi, Talaxian, Hirogen and Betazoid?

Very cool avatar btw

[LLPunting]

Some more warning signs (for discussion).

1) Any profile more than a month old with zero genuine AW reviews.  Whatever their value (or lack of it) to punters, AW reviews are a valuable marketing tool for SP's.   Any who are not collecting reviews are doing so for a reason...

2) Any provider (pimp) who texts the postcode immediately after receiving an unconnected call.  Just had this with
/www.adultwork.com/4487161 or External Link/Members Only and experience says that this is a real warning sign of a low quality pimped operation (no girl would do this herself), bait and switch (because if encourages first come first served) and a crew where the pimp/maid is not vetting punters at all.

3)  Wet hair.  I have never decent punt with a girl with wet hair.  It reeks of lack of preparation and professionalism. 

3) A pancake mask of foundation make up.  This is an absolute guarantee of  a shit punt in my experience.

2) Wet hair is good if she's just gotten rid of a huge facial that missed or golden or brown shower

3) I don't like too much makeup either but where I've proceeded it hasn't been a reliable indicator of performance.  I might walk because too much makeup is (not) hiding a face I'd rather not be with.  Badly applied make-up is also a reason to turn 180 and leave.

In addition I tend to walk away at bad teeth, signs of heavy bruising, premises being in a squalid state and stroppy behaviour.

[HalleAstley]

1) If the profile is poorly written and photos are badly taken/quality usually a sign she doesn't care about her business or the service.
2) If comms are bad/poor time keeping/management - again she is not a serious SP.
3) Pricing in terms of service - if the price is too high or too low for the services she is listing most likely she is not going to deliver.
4) BS sales pitch or irrelevent crap in the profile - if she is overselling herself in words she is compensating for bad service.

Use your head not your willy boys, save yourself the money and time you will waste

[mrhappypants]

1) If the profile is poorly written and photos are badly taken/quality usually a sign she doesn't care about her business or the service.

Wrong.  If there is a reliable indicator in the profile it is the opposite - overly long, detailed profiles are a very reliable red flag and invariably overpriced.

2) If comms are bad/poor time keeping/management - again she is not a serious SP.

NOT reliable.  I know several girls who are great in the sack but shit at coms.  Time keeping is a poor predictor. 

3) Pricing in terms of service - if the price is too high or too low for the services she is listing most likely she is not going to deliver.

Pricing is a poor indicator of service or experience.

4) BS sales pitch or irrelevent crap in the profile - if she is overselling herself in words she is compensating for bad service.

Absolutely agree.

save yourself the money and time you will waste

Complete bullshit.

2) Wet hair is good if she's just gotten rid of a huge facial that missed or golden or brown shower

Yep, I am usually first of the day but I hav3 encountered this and it was a good punt (Massuse Nicol)

Badly applied make-up is also a reason to turn 180 and leave.

Yep, essentially my point and totally agree.The white pancake is 100% instant exit and was Stunning Julie’s death knell for me.

[Ali Katt]

Wrong.  If there is a reliable indicator in the profile it is the opposite - overly long, detailed profiles are a very reliable red flag and invariably overpriced.NOT reliable.  I know several girls who are great in the sack but shit at coms.  Time keeping is a poor predictor.  Pricing is a poor indicator of service or experience.Absolutely agree.Complete bullshit.

I can think of one Sheffield girl who was £65 an hour, flakey when it came to keeping bookings, but the service was spot on, although some would argue and that's fair. Likewise in the past I have spent close to £150 and had a lesser experience. What happened now is you don't get the £40 an hour gypsies anymore, they're usually the same price or maybe £10 cheaper than British in some areas.

[Marmalade]

I don’t think there’s a lot one can other than

1.Anyse the profile
2.Read the relevant reviews
3.Be open to the vibe on first meeting but with shit detector switched on.


At the end of the day, punting’s a gamble. Something that the bad service providers count on unfortunately.