Robbing scum sent down

[Captainhowdy666]

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Robbing WG’s at knifepoint, how very brave.

[Strawberry]

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Robbing WG’s at knifepoint, how very brave.

Having had something similar happen to me albeit 11 years ago but only one man - I share the same sentiment. Also well done to the victims who reported the attacks, not an easy process.

[mr.bluesky]

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Robbing WG’s at knifepoint, how very brave.

Hopefully they will serve their full sentences and not be released early by some do gooder.

[mr.bluesky]

Having had something similar happen to me albeit 11 years ago but only one man - I share the same sentiment. Also well done to the victims who reported the attacks, not an easy process.

Must have been a terrifying experience,  I hope they caught him.

[RandomGuy99]

Glad to see them brought to justice. Hopefully they actually stay in prison.

Yet another reason why escorting is a difficult job that 99% of the population could not do.

[Colston36]

Glad to see them brought to justice. Hopefully they actually stay in prison.

Yet another reason why escorting is a difficult job that 99% of the population could not do.

Hear, hear!

[akauya]

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Robbing WG’s at knifepoint, how very brave.

Glad they caught them. Hopefully they will serve their full sentences and not be released early by Tory prison cuts.

[oddson1970]

good to see the judge coming down heavy on them with the sentencing.Heres hoping more victims come forward and they get kept locked up even longer

[Strawberry]

Regards sentencing and prison terms;

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Although exemptions are mentioned for certain violent and sexual offences, serving 50% of the sentence for armed robbery was certainly the case 11 years ago. The case in this thread however did involve 2, assault and actually tying up the victims during, not merely the threat of tying up towards the end of the robbery. So definitely more violence.

[simon07]

They had 40 mobile phones! How many SW did they target?

Glad they got long sentences.

[myothernameis]

They had 40 mobile phones! How many SW did they target?

Glad they got long sentences.

Got to wonder, did they target amu punters, so

Punter texts escort, and tells her, Im at the door, escort reply the door open, just come in and shut the door, and then you know the rest

[RandomGuy99]

Regards sentencing and prison terms;

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Although exemptions are mentioned for certain violent and sexual offences, serving 50% of the sentence for armed robbery was certainly the case 11 years ago. The case in this thread however did involve 2, assault and actually tying up the victims during, not merely the threat of tying up towards the end of the robbery. So definitely more violence.

It's pretty shocking and sad that there are people like this out there.  Now you can understand why SPs have procedures they follow before they see SS and why sometimes they ask you to stand in certain places, so they can check you out or speak to you on the phone before they tell you their house or apartment number.

[RandomGuy99]

Got to wonder, did they target amu punters, so

Punter texts escort, and tells her, Im at the door, escort reply the door open, just come in and shut the door, and then you know the rest

I once got harrassed by a guy off the street who saw me enter a well known apartment building. He followed me up the stairs and told me he collected the money for the SPs, so I should pay him. I called the SP while he was there.  She confirmed that she had no relationship with him, so I told him to FO and fortunately that and a bit of chasing down the stairs worked, but it could have turned out nasty if he'd pulled a knife on me.

[Blackpool Rock]

It's pretty shocking and sad that there are people like this out there.  Now you can understand why SPs have procedures they follow before they see SS and why sometimes they ask you to stand in certain places, so they can check you out or speak to you on the phone before they tell you their house or apartment number.

Works both ways though as punters could be getting set up by doing this

[RandomGuy99]

Works both ways though as punters could be getting set up by doing this

Yes, but we all do our research before we go see a new SP. I never carry any expensive items with me. I put on a punting watch and leave my wallet, etc. at home. If I am driving I identify a safe and discreet parking spot away from the SP's premises, so as not to draw attention to her or me.  I wait away from her premises. If I bump into a neighbour on the way I smile and say hello.  I try to blend in.

If I see anything dodgy while I am waiting then I make my excuses and leave. However, that's only happened once.

[Blackpool Rock]

Yes, but we all do our research before we go see a new SP. I never carry any expensive items with me. I put on a punting watch and leave my wallet, etc. at home. If I am driving I identify a safe and discreet parking spot away from the SP's premises, so as not to draw attention to her or me.  I wait away from her premises. If I bump into a neighbour on the way I smile and say hello.  I try to blend in.

If I see anything dodgy while I am waiting then I make my excuses and leave. However, that's only happened once.

So you agree then 

[webpunter]

#metoo
Its easy to read at the quickest of quick glances
So can see how much left on the meter 

With you on the other modus operandi
Especially on 1st visit etc

Yes, but we all do our research before we go see a new SP. I never carry any expensive items with me. I put on a punting watch and leave my wallet, etc. at home. If I am driving I identify a safe and discreet parking spot away from the SP's premises, so as not to draw attention to her or me.  I wait away from her premises. If I bump into a neighbour on the way I smile and say hello.  I try to blend in.

If I see anything dodgy while I am waiting then I make my excuses and leave. However, that's only happened once.

[tynetunnel]

If I bump into a neighbour on the way I smile and say hello.  I try to blend in.

Try that in some parts of London and the Home Counties and you’ll stand out like a sore thumb rather than blending in. As for on the tube 

[PilotMan]

I've been told by two separate SP's that they were robbed. Same thing both times, but by their descriptions different robbers. Punter visited, had his fill, then robbed them, threatening them with a knife.

It's a well paid, but seriously risky profession.

[RandomGuy99]

Sadly similar individuals may lurk on here, so be mindful of what you say in reviews.

[PilotMan]

Sadly similar individuals may lurk on here, so be mindful of what you say in reviews.

Agreed - I think that punters need to be careful when reviewing and saying things like "she lives alone / works alone / there were no other girls in the apartment".

[RandomGuy99]

Agreed - I think that punters need to be careful when reviewing and saying things like "she lives alone / works alone / there were no other girls in the apartment".

Most SPs work alone, otherwise the premises can be considered a brothel. Just one of the problems with the current law.

[PilotMan]

Most SPs work alone, otherwise the premises can be considered a brothel. Just one of the problems with the current law.

I believe two girls can work together, without being classed as a brothel, as long as they are not being organised by someone else.

I'm sure one of our learned friends from the SP community will clarify.

[alabama1]

I believe two girls can work together, without being classed as a brothel, as long as they are not being organised by someone else.

I'm sure one of our learned friends from the SP community will clarify.

No , you are wrong mate. If more than one girl works from a property, then it is classed as a brothel, even if the girls don't work there at the same time. 

[big-al93]

No , you are wrong mate. If more than one girl works from a property, then it is classed as a brothel, even if the girls don't work there at the same time. 

As always, nothing is ever that straightforward. And legal or not the majority of police forces would not pursue 2 Independant girls who share accomodation. Also an SP told me that if it's their main home (as opposed to a flat either rented purely for working from or lived in temp for touring) then 2 can legally work together. I didnot research the claim so cannot confirm if that's true or not.

[RandomGuy99]

I believe two girls can work together, without being classed as a brothel, as long as they are not being organised by someone else.

I'm sure one of our learned friends from the SP community will clarify.

It would be good if this was the case as it would be good for mental health (dealing with the job related loneliness we often read about which sometimes leads to some of them being very chatty or the use of recreational drugs) and from a safety side of things too.

The general public doesn't understand this.

The scum mentioned here pray on SPs partly because of this issue. They actively seek out and target SPs. They hang around outside popular venues looking for punters, which is why it is best not to mention too much about venues on here. There are gangs operating in most cities.  These gangs have been known to target SPs.  Don't aid the scum.

As there are clearly members of the press who are aware of or possibly members of this site then I'd suggest to them that they write some stories about the scum and the danger they are to SPs.

[alabama1]

As always, nothing is ever that straightforward. And legal or not the majority of police forces would not pursue 2 Independant girls who share accomodation. Also an SP told me that if it's their main home (as opposed to a flat either rented purely for working from or lived in temp for touring) then 2 can legally work together. I didnot research the claim so cannot confirm if that's true or not.

It is straightforward mate, that's the law. As to which police forces enforce it, is irrelevant

[RandomGuy99]

It is straightforward mate, that's the law. As to which police forces enforce it, is irrelevant

I suspect that big-al is correct. The majority of police forces would not be interested provided the SPs are not causing a nuisance and are quietly going about their business. The police are aware of SPs. The police are aware of the issues SPs face. The police would rather SPs be safe than have to deal with robberies and stabbings. The police don't like the scum either.  However, the law deters SPs from working together. SPs don't always raise these problems with the police because they don't want to bring attention to themselves. The scum know this.

Don't aid the scum.

[Stevelondon]

They will probably be saying they are women and want to be sent to a female prison.

When I watch the news or read anything on the internet....it is always crime being reported.
Stabbings, sexual assaults, robbery etc.

The neighbourhood app I have on my phone talks about burglary and cats being stolen from cars all the time. Not to mention the never ending reports of scams that go round.
Whats happening to this country. Was it always this bad. ?

[PilotMan]

No , you are wrong mate. If more than one girl works from a property, then it is classed as a brothel, even if the girls don't work there at the same time. 

You are right, but that's not the full story, that's just how you clarify what a Brothel is, that's not the law.

The law says that a "owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are illegal".

So if two girls work together but aren't controlling or managing each other, what offence have they committed?

[jimbobted]

You are right, but that's not the full story, that's just how you clarify what a Brothel is, that's not the law.

The law says that a "owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are illegal".

So if two girls work together but aren't controlling or managing each other, what offence have they committed?

I guess technically the girl with her name on the deeds or lease agreement owns a brothel. Though I agree a prosecution in these circumstances is unlikely to pass the public interest test.

[webpunter]

In Surbiton there was (*) a well known knocking shop
With a mini sticking out of the wall in the next building
There were two escort agencies operating from there
Two front doors right next to each other, like on a corner a foot apart
One of the agencies was european milf orientated
& the other focusing on sourcing burds from another continent
One burd in each property
I'm 99% that there was only one maid [reducing costs]
Maybe an interconnecting door
Safer for the SPs, perfectly legal & more profitable 
Common knowledge, well it only took me a decade+ to find out about the place 
I always went for the left door, with SPs from overseas
Crikey did their racks come up with a lovely sheen with an application of Johnsons 

* i mention 'was' coz after an evening getting on it in Surbo with mates i decided that a R&T HJ b4 going home was the order of the day
Beers f/b kebab f/b HE, whats not to like
Ringing the bell then as no response a gentle knock on the door
It was then in my pissed up state i noticed that there were signs [numerous as it turned out  ] announcing 'change of use & video camera recording'
Time for a sharp exit

[Strawberry]

As always, nothing is ever that straightforward. And legal or not the majority of police forces would not pursue 2 Independant girls who share accomodation. Also an SP told me that if it's their main home (as opposed to a flat either rented purely for working from or lived in temp for touring) then 2 can legally work together. I didnot research the claim so cannot confirm if that's true or not.

As I understand it 2 women, 2 sex workers cannot work from the same property doesn't matter if it's the home of one. I would expect the owner to then be the one facing charges. Last time I checked it is illegal to knowingly let or allow a property be used as a brothel.

A police officer attending immediately after my robbery asked me why I don't work with someone else. Even officers either don't know the law, or say daft things without thinking. Subsequent officers did know the law.

[Strawberry]

You are right, but that's not the full story, that's just how you clarify what a Brothel is, that's not the law.

The law says that a "owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are illegal".

So if two girls work together but aren't controlling or managing each other, what offence have they committed?

Someone will have organised the arrangement, even if that is both of them.

[Strawberry]

This may be of use, if Smiths was here he would be posting this;

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“Premises only become a brothel when more than one woman uses premises for the purposes of prostitution, either simultaneously or one at a time”: Stevens v Christy [1987] Cr. App. R. 249, DC. This implies that if two women are present, both must be there for the purposes of prostitution. In circumstances where prostitutes are working individually out of one flat but there is a rotation of occupants and the young women are moved on a regular basis, it does constitute a brothel.

However, where rooms or flats in one building are let separately to different individuals offering sexual services, it may be treated as a brothel only if the individuals are effectively working together. Donovan v Gavin [1965] 2 QB 648 established that “the letting of individual rooms in a house under separate tenancies and to different prostitutes does not necessarily preclude the house, or parts of it, from being a brothel”.

It is not necessary to prove that full sexual intercourse is offered at the premises. It is sufficient to prove that “more than one woman offered herself as a participant of physical acts of indecency for the sexual gratification of men”: Kelly v Purvis [1983] QB 663. "

The decrim movement campaign for the law to be changed so that women can work together without risk of prosecution.

[daviemac]

As I understand it 2 women, 2 sex workers cannot work from the same property doesn't matter if it's the home of one. I would expect the owner to then be the one facing charges. Last time I checked it is illegal to knowingly let or allow a property be used as a brothel.

A police officer attending immediately after my robbery asked me why I don't work with someone else. Even officers either don't know the law, or say daft things without thinking. Subsequent officers did know the law.

Every time this comes up I say the same thing, despite what some people think what is classed as illegal and what action the police take are two very different things.

Different force areas have different ideas of what is acceptable and what they tolerate, some areas don't mind agencies listing services, others like the NE do, however most would turn a blind eye to escorts sharing premises, it wouldn't be classes as in the public interest to prosecute as long as there's no nuisance caused.

I know some NE escorts get welfare visits from the police and these take place at shared flats, but if there's a suspicion of trafficking then they will carry out raids. In the past the places raided have been Chinese massage parlours and Romanian run flats/brothels. 

[big-al93]

As I understand it 2 women, 2 sex workers cannot work from the same property doesn't matter if it's the home of one. I would expect the owner to then be the one facing charges. Last time I checked it is illegal to knowingly let or allow a property be used as a brothel.

A police officer attending immediately after my robbery asked me why I don't work with someone else. Even officers either don't know the law, or say daft things without thinking. Subsequent officers did know the law.

In the situation I mentioned, it would be the home of both. Ex SP had large home, her friend split from partner, moved in, started escorting to deal with money issues from the split. Then the ex SP came back to offering services again. So the premises used was both their homes. Mind you as I said, I never tried to find out if she was correct or not. As this was in Scotland that may have some bearing on the issue too.

[Strawberry]

In the situation I mentioned, it would be the home of both. Ex SP had large home, her friend split from partner, moved in, started escorting to deal with money issues from the split. Then the ex SP came back to offering services again. So the premises used was both their homes. Mind you as I said, I never tried to find out if she was correct or not. As this was in Scotland that may have some bearing on the issue too.

As I understand it it doesn't matter whether they live there or not, more than one woman offering sexual services from one property = brothel = illegal and whoever owns the property could be considered responsible for that brothel.

Here is a starting point for Scotland;

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[jimbobted]

As I understand it it doesn't matter whether they live there or not, more than one woman offering sexual services from one property = brothel = illegal and whoever owns the property could be considered responsible for that brothel.

Is the correct answer.

[PilotMan]

Is the correct answer.

It's the correct answer in part, but not of itself.  Like everything you need to provide further context.

It's only the correct answer if the person who owns the property is aware of the prostitution.